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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.
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Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? After ten episodes of explaining how he came to realize that the Reformation doctrine of salvation by "faith alone" wasn't Biblical, former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley shares how he came to embrace the way the Catholic Church talks about what it means to be saved. More episodes in this series: https://chnetwork.org/category/blog/chnvideos/on-the-journey/embracing-the-catholic-gospel/ Join our Online Community: https://community.chnetwork.org Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley shares seven key realizations that helped him understand that the Reformation doctrine of salvation by "faith alone" wasn't supported by the testimony of the Scriptures. Watch more episodes: https://chnetwork.org/on-the-journey-show/ Join our Online Community: https://community.chnetwork.org Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley looks at how St. Paul reflects on the nature of justification in his Epistles, to see how it compares with the Reformed and Catholic understandings of how we are saved. More episodes: https://chnetwork.org/on-the-journey-show/ Join our Online Community: https://www.chnetwork.org/community Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass  
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley takes a deep dive into the Old Testament texts that refer to the nature of justification to look at what the Scriptures teach us about how God goes about saving His people. More episodes of On the Journey: https://chnetwork.org/on-the-journey-show/ Join our Online Community: https://www.chnetwork.org/community Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Reformed theology argues that Abraham was justified by faith alone the moment he first believed. But when was that moment? When he left his home in Ur to follow God? When he believed in God's promise of offspring twenty-five years later? When he was willing to sacrifice his son Isaac? All these are pointed to in the New Testament as moments when Abraham was considered righteous by God for his faithful action. Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley unpacks what these three distinct events mean for the Biblical understanding of salvation and justification. More episodes in this series: https://chnetwork.org/category/blog/chnvideos/on-the-journey/embracing-the-catholic-gospel/ Join our Online Community: https://community.chnetwork.org Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley shares some of the things he began to discover about Luther's development of the doctrine of salvation by faith alone. Ken started to see that Luther's teaching was based on a specific set of key verses, but whenever Luther's conclusions were contradicted by some other part of Scripture, it required him to either dismiss those verses, or somehow modify their meaning so that they could fit into Luther's teaching. More episodes: https://chnetwork.org/on-the-journey-show/ Our Online Community: https://community.chnetwork.org Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley shares how one of the most important distinctions a Christian can make in regard to faith and works is this: are we employees, working for a wage from God for our efforts, or are we patients, willingly allowing ourselves to be treated, and taking the steps to make healthy decisions as prescribed by our Great Physician? More stories and resources: https://www.chnetwork.org Our Online Community: https://community.chnetwork.org Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Throughout his letters, especially in his messages to the Galatians and Romans, St. Paul warns against boasting in a works-based righteousness. So what kind of "works" was Paul talking about? Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley dives into the text to demonstrate what it is that Paul was actually condemning when he spoke against the idea of salvation by works of the law. More episodes: https://chnetwork.org/on-the-journey-show/ Our Online Community: https://www.chnetwork.org/community Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? As a Baptist pastor, Ken Hensley was becoming more and more aware of the prominent Old Testament pattern of faith, followed by obedience, followed by reward, and he wondered: did this pattern continue in the New Testament, or was it replaced by "faith alone"? Ken shares what he found when he looked more deeply into the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels, and St. Paul in his epistles, regarding the relationship between faith and works in the plan of salvation. More episodes: https://chnetwork.org/on-the-journey-show Our Online Community: https://community.chnetwork.org Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? As a Baptist pastor, Ken Hensley began to discover that his Reformation-inspired understanding of faith being rewarded by salvation, and followed by obedience, didn't match up with the pattern he saw in the Old Testament, of faith, followed by obedience, and then reward. He shares how this began to shift his thinking as to what the Bible really taught about what it means to be saved. More episodes: https://chnetwork.org/on-the-journey-show/ Our Online Community: https://www.chnetwork.org/community Support our work: http://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Matt Swaim talks to former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? As a Baptist pastor, Ken Hensley believed and preached that salvation was by faith alone, apart from works, and that it is accomplished entirely by God; otherwise we could boast about our role in the process. Ken shares how Martin Luther came to develop his theology of salvation by faith alone, the Scriptures he used to argue for it, and how it came into conflict with the prevailing historic Christian idea of humans cooperating with God's grace on the path to salvation. More episodes of On the Journey: https://chnetwork.org/on-the-journey-show/ Our Online Community: https://community.chnetwork.org Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Matt, Ken, and Kenny conclude their series looking at the formal teaching of the Catholic Church on the doctrine of Purgatory. They wrap up the discussion by focusing on how the Catholic Church really sees Purgatory at the end of the day: as a final purification in the presence of a person, that person being Jesus Christ, whose light dispels all darkness, and who desires eternal fellowship with us all. More episodes in this series: https://chnetwork.org/category/blog/chnvideos/on-the-journey/purgatory/ Our Online Community: https://community.chnetwork.org Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their series looking at the formal teaching of the Catholic Church on the doctrine of Purgatory. This time they address one of the biggest objections to the concept of Purgatory: the story of the thief on the cross, who died alongside Jesus and was promised paradise. He wasn't even baptized! So how should we think of the Good Thief's story in the context of Catholic teaching on Purgatory? More episodes: https://www.chnetwork.org/onthejourney Our Online Community: https://community.chnetwork.org Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their series looking at the formal teaching of the Catholic Church on the doctrine of Purgatory. This time they address three key questions that people often have about Purgatory: Is it mentioned in Scripture? Is it a second chance for salvation after death? Is it a third place for those who neither merit Heaven nor deserve Hell? More episodes: https://www.chnetwork.org/onthejourney Our Online Community: https://www.chnetwork.org/community Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
There are a lot of ideas out there about Purgatory, from pop culture, to literature, and more, and many of them come by way of myth, misunderstanding, and even memes. So what does the Catholic Church actually officially teach about Purgatory? Matt Swaim is joined by former Protestant pastors Kenny Burchard and Ken Hensley to look directly at the passages from the Catechism of the Catholic Church which formally address Purgatory, and look at the ways that Pope Benedict XVI explained this formal teaching in his encyclical Spe Salvi. More stories and resources: https://www.chnetwork.org Our Online Community: https://community.chnetwork.org Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Order your copy of Journeys Home 3: Pentecostals and Charismatics Former Foursquare pastor Kenny Burchard concludes his discussion of fifteen key commonalities between the beliefs and practices of Catholicism and Pentecostalism, as a way of hopefully having more fruitful conversations about the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of Christians. In our final episode of the series, Kenny talks to Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley about five more elements common to Catholics and Pentecostals. So far, we’ve discussed: 1. Belief in the manifest, or "real" presence of God in worship 2. Ongoing spiritual gifts, miracles, and signs 3. Charisms expressed through unique callings 4. God's word spoken, read, preached, and alive 5. Impartation through the laying on of hands 6. Apostolic authority and anointing 7. Holy places, objects, and sacraments as channels of grace 8. Dreams, visions, and mystical encounters 9. Spiritual warfare and real deliverance 10. Disciplines that lead to practical holiness And in this episode, we discuss: 11. Fresh graces that follow initial conversion 12. The sobering reality of apostasy—and the call to perseverance 13. Breakthrough as the fruit of persistent, faithful prayer 14. Embodied worship: kneeling, lifting hands, incense, anointing with oil, song 15. A share in the priestly, prophetic, and kingly mission of Christ This discussion continues in the new book available Summer 2025 from The Coming Home Network, "Journeys Home 3: Pentecostals and Charismatics," which features thirteen conversion stories from people who come from this spiritual tradition. Find out more at https://www.chnetwork.org/jh3. Also mentioned was the Deep in History talk by Paul Thigpen, The Road From Topeka to Rome: How the Pentecostal Movement Has Brought Millions Closer to the Catholic Faith. Watch it for free here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7H7qJKD1dU&t More stories and resources: https://www.chnetwork.org Our Online Community: https://www.chnetwork.org/community Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Order your copy of Journeys Home 3: Pentecostals and Charismatics Former Foursquare pastor Kenny Burchard continues his discussion of fifteen key commonalities between the beliefs and practices of Catholicism and Pentecostalism, as a way of hopefully having more fruitful conversations about the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of Christians. In the second of three episodes on the topic, Kenny talks to Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley about five more elements common to Catholics and Pentecostals. Last week we discussed: 1. Belief in the manifest, or "real" presence of God in worship 2. Ongoing spiritual gifts, miracles, and signs 3. Charisms expressed through unique callings 4. God's word spoken, read, preached, and alive 5. Impartation through the laying on of hands   Added to the list this week:   6. Apostolic authority and anointing 7. Holy places, objects, and sacraments as channels of grace 8. Dreams, visions, and mystical encounters 9. Spiritual warfare and real deliverance 10. Disciplines that lead to practical holiness This discussion continues in the new book available Summer 2025 from The Coming Home Network, "Journeys Home 3: Pentecostals and Charismatics," which features thirteen conversion stories from people who come from this spiritual tradition. Find out more at https://www.chnetwork.org/jh3. Also mentioned was the Deep in History talk by Paul Thigpen, The Road From Topeka to Rome: How the Pentecostal Movement Has Brought Millions Closer to the Catholic Faith. Watch it for free here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7H7qJKD1dU&t More stories and resources: https://www.chnetwork.org Our Online Community: https://www.chnetwork.org/community Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass  
Order your copy of Journeys Home 3: Pentecostals and Charismatics To the casual observer, Pentecostals and Catholics seem to be almost polar opposites in the Christian world. What could they possibly have in common with one another? Former Foursquare pastor Kenny Burchard begins a discussion of fifteen key commonalities between the beliefs and practices of Catholicism and Pentecostalism, as a way of hopefully having more fruitful conversations about the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of Christians. In this first episode, Kenny talks to Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley about these five elements common to Catholics and Pentecostals: 1. Belief in the manifest, or "real" presence of God in worship 2. Ongoing spiritual gifts, miracles, and signs 3. Charisms expressed through unique callings 4. God's word spoken, read, preached, and alive 5. Impartation through the laying on of hands This discussion continues in the new book available Summer 2025 from The Coming Home Network, "Journeys Home 3: Pentecostals and Charismatics." Find out more at https://www.chnetwork.org/jh3 Also mentioned was the Deep in History talk by Paul Thigpen, The Road From Topeka to Rome: How the Pentecostal Movement Has Brought Millions Closer to the Catholic Faith  More stories and resources: https://www.chnetwork.org Our Online Community: https://community.chnetwork.org Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice. Kenny Burchard shares a list of some key things that the Bible can't tell you using only the principle of sola Scriptura, and Matt Swaim shares how Flannery O'Connor helped him see that the Right of Private Judgment can lead to Gnosticism. Hope you enjoyed this latest series! We look forward to sharing a new series of On the Journey soon... More episodes: https://chnetwork.org/on-the-journey-show/ Our Online Community: https://www.chnetwork.org/community Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice. Matt, Ken, and Kenny spent previous episodes looking at whether or not the Reformation doctrine of "sola Scriptura" is workable, whether or not it is taught in the Bible, and whether or not it reflects early Christian faith and practice. In this episode, they look at one more category: Is "sola Scriptura" logical? Does it even make sense? More episodes: https://chnetwork.org/on-the-journey-show/ Our Online Community: https://www.chnetwork.org/community Support our work: https://www.chnetwork.org/compass
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Ana Lucía Sequeira Castro

I have stated before that this is my favorite podcast. And I do it again today. Thanks guys.

Sep 20th
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Ana Lucía Sequeira Castro

Awesome episode. I enjoyed it a lot. As a Catholic from Latin America, I can confirm that many Catholics (especially if they don't know their faith very well or have fallen into a religious routine) go to Pentecostal churches looking for the sensations and emotions that those services give them. In my country, which is more secular than others in the region, after several years jumping from one church to another, those people just stop believing in God.

Jun 5th
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Ana Lucía Sequeira Castro

Definitely, On the Journey is one of my favorite podcasts. Thanks a million.

Nov 13th
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Ana Lucía Sequeira Castro

This was an awesome series. I enjoy every series. But really enjoyed this one. Thanks very much.

Sep 12th
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Ana Lucía Sequeira Castro

I love your podcast. I've learned so much, and with every cliff hanger I get more and more excited. Thanks for your work.

Jun 26th
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Ana Lucía Sequeira Castro

Thanks very much for making these video conversations a podcast. It makes it easier to listen to them at work. I enjoy these discussions very much. 😊

May 19th
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