Leading Saints Podcast

High Council members engaged in a live discussion focused on sharing ideas and experiences to strengthen how councils serve their wards and stakes. This podcast is a portion of the livestream discussion. Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community Links The entire conversation and transcript are available in the Zion Lab community Highlights Overview This episode of the Zion Lab live stream from Leading Saints featured a discussion among several current and former Stake High Councilors, focusing on the practical challenges and opportunities of their calling. The participants shared their experiences, best practices, and innovative ideas for magnifying their assignments, effectively bridging communication between the stake and ward levels, and overcoming feelings of inadequacy. Key Insights The Need for Proactivity: The High Council calling can often feel "open-ended," allowing a High Councilor to "do as much as you want" or very little. Leaders are encouraged to be proactive—actively engaging with assigned elders quorum presidencies and ward organizations rather than just attending mandatory meetings. Equality and Insecurity in Calling: New High Councilors frequently feel overwhelmed or insecure when working alongside more seasoned leaders. Counsel was given to overcome this by recognizing that all callings are equal in the sight of the Lord and that the High Councilor's voice and spiritual insights are vital to the council's deliberations. Role as a Spiritual Messenger: High Councilors should see themselves as direct representatives of the Stake Presidency, similar to a General Authority visiting a stake. They are encouraged to be visible, bring spiritual knowledge and instruction, and share a spiritual thought when addressing wards, not merely delivering routine announcements. Mandate to Testify of Christ: Some stakes guide speaking assignments with a General Conference talk, but emphasize that the talk, whether prepared or spontaneous, must be interwoven with a powerful personal testimony of Christ to ensure the Spirit is present. Training and Dissemination of Principles: A core function of the High Council is to receive leadership principles and instruction in the Stake Council. High Councilors are then responsible for taking that training and counsel out to their assigned ward bishoprics and organization presidencies.Leadership Applications Foster Cross-Ward Learning: Stake Presidencies can gain valuable insights and enrich their High Councilors by encouraging them to attend the leadership meetings of the wards where they speak, even if it is not their assigned ward. This exposes High Councilors to diverse operational models among ward councils, creating a cross-training effect. Centralize Administrative Resources: High Councilors should utilize group communication methods, such as shared text threads or digital notes, to quickly share tactical administrative advice, official wording for callings and releases, and handbook references, streamlining the logistical aspects of the calling. Elevate the Message of Love: High Councilors should consistently make a concerted effort to express the genuine love, thoughts, and prayers of the Stake Presidency to the ward members, ensuring the members feel validated, "seen, and prayed for" by their stake leadership. 00:01:36 - Kicking Off: The "Open-Ended" Nature of the High Councilor Calling 00:04:04 - Overcoming Insecurity and Magnifying the Calling 00:06:06 - Advice on Equality and Being a Visible Representative 00:09:38 - The Role of the Spirit vs. Experience in Calling 00:11:23 - Key Role: Training and Teaching Ward Leaders 00:13:07 - Strategies for Stake Engagement: Ward Reporting and Training 00:14:44 - Unique Assignment: Attending Cross-Ward Leadership Meetings 00:16:37 - Close Relationship with Stake Presidency and Financial Duties 00:18:38 - Tactical Tip: Using a High Councilor Text Group for Logistics ...

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in February 2024. Marjorie Nelson Lowder discusses the remarkable life and enduring influence of her mother, Dantzel White Nelson. Born and raised in Salt Lake City, Utah, Marjorie grew up as the 9th of 10 children of President Russell M. Nelson and Sister Dantzel White Nelson, surrounded by music, books, art, faith and lots of love. She loves to spend time creating, being in nature and gathering with her family and friends. She is an artist, vocalist, and the author/illustrator of a book based on a favorite lullaby her mother used to sing, Pudding on the Moon. This conversation honors Dantzel's legacy as a deeply-faithful Latter-day Saint, wife, and mother, emphasizing the principles and traditions she established that created a foundation of unity and spiritual strength for her family. Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community Links Pudding on the Moon Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights In this episode, Kurt interviews Marjorie, the youngest daughter of President Russell M. Nelson, to honor her late mother, Dantzel White Nelson. The conversation explores Dantzel's life, her influence on the family, and the legacy she left behind, particularly through a children's book Marjorie authored inspired by a lullaby her mother used to sing. 00:02:55 - Honoring Dantzel White Nelson Discussion on the life and legacy of President Nelson's first wife. 00:04:28 - Marjorie's Book: Putting on the Moon Introduction to Marjorie's children's book inspired by her mother. 00:05:41 - Marjorie's Early Memories Marjorie shares her early memories of her mother and family traditions. 00:08:11 - Dantzel's Background Details about Dantzel White Nelson's upbringing and education. 00:09:50 - Courtship of Dantzel and Russell Nelson The romantic story of how Dantzel and Russell Nelson met and fell in love. 00:10:36 - Family Life and Traditions Insights into the family dynamics and traditions created by Dantzel. 00:12:32 - Family Olympics and Celebrations Description of unique family events and celebrations organized by Dantzel. 00:14:19 - Creating Special Memories Marjorie's reflections on how her mother made family gatherings memorable. 00:16:26 - Navigating a Large Family Challenges and dynamics of growing up in a family with many daughters. 00:19:00 - Father's Medical Career Insights into the life of being the daughter of a surgeon and its impact on family life. 00:22:26 - Church Callings and Choir Discussion of Dantzel's involvement in church callings and her time with the Tabernacle Choir. 00:25:23 - Singing Legacy Marjorie's connection to her mother's musical legacy and family singing traditions. 00:30:11 - Becoming an Apostle Marjorie's experience learning about her father's call to be an apostle. 00:32:04 - Adjusting to New Roles How Dantzel adapted to her new role as the wife of an apostle. 00:33:31 - Mother-Daughter Relationship Reflections on Marjorie's relationship with her mother as a young adult. 00:35:05 - Dantzel's Calm Demeanor Stories highlighting Dantzel's patience and temperament as a mother. 00:39:10 - Coping with Loss Marjorie's thoughts on her mother's sudden passing and the support received. 00:41:44 - Legacy and Remembrance The importance of sharing stories and memories of Dantzel with others. The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy,

Ernest Lee Davis, a native of Los Angeles, California, spent most of his life there before earning an athletic scholarship to the University of Idaho, where he graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Communications. He earned his MBA from Western Governors University and will finish his Doctorate in Philosophy of Leadership with an emphasis on Servant-Leadership from Gonzaga University this year. Ernest has worked as a finish manager/leader in the aerospace industry for over 15 years at Skills Inc., a nonprofit organization that partners with The Boeing Company. He has dedicated his career to creating meaningful opportunities for persons with disabilities and other marginalized groups, encouraging an inclusive and diverse workforce. A devoted follower of Jesus Christ, Ernest joined the Church in 2005 and is committed to living the Savior’s teachings and sharing his personal story of resilience. He is the author of the best-selling book Leading in the Lord’s Way: A Journey of Servant Leadership, and I Am Aye Child of God. At church, he has served as a member of his stake high council and currently as stake Young Men first counselor. Ernest and his wife, Ruth, have three children and live in Puyallup, Washington. Links Leading in the Lord's Way: A Journey of Servant Leadership I am Aye Child of God Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Summary Ernest explores servant leadership principles and shares insights from his personal journey, emphasizing the importance of empathy, stewardship, and building a beloved community. Key Insights Servant Leadership: Ernest emphasizes the concept of leading through service, drawing on his experiences and the teachings of the gospel. He intertwines personal stories with leadership principles to illustrate how effective leadership is rooted in empathy and understanding. Empathy: Understanding others' perspectives is crucial for effective leadership. Ernest shares examples of how empathy can help leaders connect with individuals from diverse backgrounds and support them in overcoming their challenges. Stewardship: Leaders are responsible for nurturing the talents and potential of those they serve. Ernest encourages leaders to recognize their stewardship over individuals in their communities and to cultivate their growth. Beloved Community: The idea of Zion as a beloved community is central to Ernest's message. He advocates for inclusivity and acceptance, stressing the importance of making everyone feel welcome and valued within the church. Diversity in Leadership: Ernest highlights the need for diverse representation in leadership roles to better serve marginalized communities and to foster a more inclusive environment within the church. Leadership Applications Fostering Empathy: Latter-day Saint leaders can practice empathy by actively listening to the experiences of those they serve, which can help build trust and understanding within their communities. Cultivating Talents: Leaders should focus on identifying and nurturing the unique talents of individuals in their wards, creating opportunities for them to contribute and grow. Building Inclusive Communities: By promoting a sense of belonging and acceptance, leaders can create a welcoming environment that encourages participation from all members, regardless of their background or circumstances. Highlights 00:03:17 - Inspiration for Writing the Book Ernest shares what inspired him to write "Leading in the Lord's Way." 00:04:03 - Early Life and Challenges Ernest discusses his upbringing, homelessness, and the journey to college football. 00:05:07 - Meeting the Missionaries How Ernest first encountered the missionaries and his initial experience with the Book of Mormon. 00:06:32 - Knee Injury and Finding the Covenant Path The impact of Ernest's knee injury on his life and how it led him to baptism. 00:06:43 - Leadership Aspirations

In this podcast episode, Kurt Francom and Dan Duckworth discuss the importance of addressing community tragedies within Latter-day Saint congregations. They explore how leaders can create spaces for healing and connection during difficult times, emphasizing the role of vulnerability and unity in fostering a supportive church environment. Dan Duckworth speaks, teaches, and writes on leadership, power, and systemic change. His forthcoming book, The Leader in Chains (spring 2026), challenges conventional ideas and calls for a radical rethinking of leadership—and how it is developed. Links Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Overview Perception of Community Needs: Leaders should be attuned to the emotional climate of their congregations, recognizing when community tragedies impact members. This awareness can guide appropriate responses. Risk of Vulnerability: Addressing difficult topics in church settings can feel risky, but it is essential for fostering genuine connections and healing. Leaders should embrace this risk to create a supportive environment. Purpose of Church: The church serves not only as a place for learning doctrine but also as a community for healing and support. Engaging in open discussions about current events can strengthen faith and unity. Creating Safe Spaces: Leaders can facilitate discussions that allow members to express their feelings and experiences, promoting emotional processing and community bonding. Driving the Hope Train: Leaders should focus on instilling hope and directing conversations toward Christ's teachings, using scriptural stories to provide comfort and guidance during challenging times. Leadership Applications Fostering Open Dialogue: Leaders can initiate conversations about current events or tragedies, encouraging members to share their feelings and experiences. This can be done through structured discussions or informal check-ins. Building Trust and Safety: By consistently creating a culture of vulnerability and support, leaders can ensure that members feel safe to express their emotions and seek help when needed. Integrating Healing into Meetings: Leaders can incorporate discussions of community challenges into regular meetings, ensuring that spiritual teachings are connected to real-life experiences, thus reinforcing the church's role as a healing community. Highlights 06:16 - Institutional vs. Leadership Responses 08:13 - Personal Experience of Grief 10:10 - The Purpose of Church in Times of Crisis 12:32 - The Role of Perception in Leadership 14:01 - A Personal Story of Compassion 16:17 - The Risk of Addressing Difficult Topics 17:41 - The Importance of Community Healing 19:12 - Audience Engagement and Reactions 20:00 - Navigating Political Sensitivities 22:08 - Creating a Safe Space for Discussion 23:37 - The Role of Vulnerability in Unity 25:32 - Addressing the Fear of Group Therapy 27:30 - Driving the Hope Train 30:06 - Preparing the Elders Quorum for Discussion 31:15 - The Impact of Leadership Culture 33:11 - Fulfilling the Purpose of Elders Quorum 38:14 - The Value of Risk in Leadership 40:00 - Living Life Together in Church 42:43 - The Dangers of Hypocrisy in Worship The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B.

Golden Lund holds three degrees in music from the University of Utah, Indiana University and the University of Nebraska. He is currently a music instructor at St. Ambrose University in Davenport, Iowa, where he helps direct the marching band, pep band, and teaches tuba and other brass instruments. He also performs regularly on the tuba with a semi-professional orchestra in Lincoln, Nebraska. Golden was recently released as a bishop and served in several leadership capacities previously including elders quorum president, high priest group leader, Young Men president, and on his stake high council. Golden and his wife Sandy have been married for 17 years and are the proud parents of two children—a daughter and son who are 12-year-old twins and amaze them every day. Links Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights In this episode of the Leading Saints podcast, Kurt interviews Golden, a former bishop from Bettendorf, Iowa, who shares his experiences and insights from his five-year tenure in leadership during the challenging times of the COVID-19 pandemic. The conversation focuses on mental health, vulnerability in leadership, and the importance of community support. Key Insights: Mental Health Awareness: Golden discusses his struggles with mental health, particularly during a significant crash after a year and a half of service. He emphasizes the importance of seeking help and the positive impact of counseling and medication. Vulnerability in Leadership: By sharing his personal challenges with his ward, Golden fostered a culture of openness, encouraging others to share their struggles and creating a supportive environment. The Sariah Factor: Golden introduces the concept of the Sariah Factor, highlighting the need for leaders to trust their perspective and discernment, even when others may not understand the decisions being made. Delegation and Empowerment: He shares how he empowered his ward leaders, such as the Relief Society and Elders Quorum presidents, to take on responsibilities, which helped alleviate his workload and fostered a sense of ownership among leaders. Community Support: Golden underscores the importance of community, noting that members often overlook the challenges faced by their leaders. Simple expressions of gratitude can significantly uplift those in leadership roles. Leadership Applications: Encourage Open Communication: Leaders should create an environment where members feel comfortable sharing their struggles, which can strengthen community bonds and support. Prioritize Mental Health: Leaders should recognize the importance of mental health and seek help when needed, setting an example for others to do the same. Empower Others: By delegating responsibilities and trusting ward leaders, bishops can manage their workload more effectively while fostering leadership skills in others, ultimately benefiting the entire ward. 05:32 - Calling as Bishop During COVID-19 07:18 - Navigating Early Days as Bishop 08:58 - Demographics of the Ward 10:45 - Reflection on Serving as Bishop 11:19 - Responsibilities of a Bishop 15:43 - Challenges and Overwhelm in Leadership 17:00 - Mental Health Struggles and Support 20:05 - Finding Help and Guidance 21:57 - The Importance of Vulnerability in Leadership 30:02 - Opening Up to the Ward About Struggles 33:44 - The Sariah Factor in Leadership Decisions 38:21 - Examples of Leadership Challenges 49:02 - The Messiness of Revelation in Leadership 51:19 - Normalizing Struggles in Leadership The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Curtis Morley is an author, coach, speaker, and "emotionologist" who has been an entrepreneur for most of his life. He is the author of The Entrepreneur's Paradox, a Wall Street Journal bestseller. He also has a forthcoming book titled Counterfeit Emotions. His work focuses on helping people, including entrepreneurs, with personal development and growth. He has founded multiple companies and worked with many Fortune 100 businesses. He has also been recognized with awards such as Entrepreneur of the Year and has been included in the Inc. 500/5000 Hall of Fame. Morley's work and speaking engagements often center on the concept of "counterfeit emotions"—feelings that may seem authentic but can lead to destructive cycles of disconnection. He has developed a framework to help people identify and replace these emotions with authentic ones to live a more fulfilling life. Links The Entrepreneur's Paradox: How to Overcome the 16 Pitfalls Along the Startup Journey CounterfeitEmotions.com/recovery RecoveryNotSobriety.com Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights Curtis focuses on the myths surrounding pornography addiction. The discussion emphasizes the distinction between sobriety and recovery, exploring how understanding emotions can lead to more effective healing. Key Insights Sobriety vs. Recovery: Sobriety measures how long one can abstain from pornography, while recovery focuses on understanding and processing underlying emotions. True recovery involves addressing the root causes rather than merely avoiding the behavior. Myth of Willpower: Overcoming pornography addiction is not solely about willpower. Many individuals struggle with deeper emotional issues that drive their behaviors, making it essential to address these emotions rather than just the actions. Shame vs. Guilt: Guilt can be a motivating emotion that encourages individuals to make amends, while shame leads to disconnection and despair. Understanding this distinction is crucial for effective recovery. Connection and Community: Building connections and fostering community can significantly aid recovery. Isolation often exacerbates addiction, while supportive relationships can provide the necessary encouragement and accountability. The Importance of Processing Emotions: Curtis introduces the "whole" method for processing emotions, which includes witnessing emotions, harmonizing through breathing, opening the mind to triggers, leading one's life, and editing the meaning of past experiences. Leadership Applications Creating Safe Spaces: Latter-day Saint leaders can foster environments where individuals feel safe to discuss their struggles with pornography and other issues without fear of judgment, encouraging open dialogue. Focus on Emotional Health: Leaders should prioritize understanding the emotional triggers behind behaviors rather than just addressing the behaviors themselves. This approach can lead to more meaningful support and healing. Encouraging Community Support: Leaders can facilitate peer support groups or mentorship programs that promote connection among members, helping individuals feel less isolated in their struggles and more empowered in their recovery journey. 00:02:15 - Understanding Sobriety vs. Recovery 00:06:49 - The Difference Between Sobriety and Recovery 00:09:06 - Emotional Triggers and Leadership 00:10:08 - The Myth of Sobriety 00:12:12 - Transformational Recovery 00:13:27 - Sobriety is Miserable, Recovery is Peaceful 00:15:02 - Taking Your Demons to Lunch 00:18:08 - Addiction to Shame 00:19:09 - Addressing the Root Causes 00:20:21 - The Loop of Shame and Addiction 00:22:36 - Guilt vs. Shame 00:24:06 - Identifying and Surfacing Demons 00:26:44 - The Importance of Connection 00:29:34 - The Role of Community in Recovery 00:30:17 - The Whole Method Explained 00:36:21 - Overview of the Myths The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top ind...

Jeff Burningham grew up in Spokane, Washington, served a mission in Charlotte, North Carolina, and attended Brigham Young University. A serial entrepreneur, Jeff has founded multiple companies in real estate technology and venture capital. He has also served in various church callings, including as a bishop and in a stake presidency. Jeff is a father of four, a proud grandfather, and the author of The Last Book Written by a Human: Becoming Wise in the Age of AI. Links The Last Book Written by a Human: Becoming Wise in the Age of AI Stepping Up to Leadership Opportunities | An Interview with Jeff Burningham Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights Jeff discusses his book, emphasizing the importance of human wisdom in a world increasingly dominated by artificial intelligence. He argues that while AI can enhance efficiency, it cannot replace the essence of human connection and community. He encourages church leaders to focus on being rather than doing, fostering genuine relationships within their congregations. The conversation explores how disruption, reflection, transformation, and evolution shape both personal and collective journeys in the age of AI. Jeff highlights the need for leaders to embrace change with love and grace, ultimately guiding their communities toward deeper connections and understanding. 00:03:49 - Jeff's Background Jeff shares his personal background, including his entrepreneurial journey and church leadership experience. 00:06:17 - The Essence of the Book Exploration of the book's focus on human wisdom versus AI capabilities. 00:07:45 - The Risks of AI Discussion on the potential dangers of outsourcing humanity to machines. 00:09:56 - AI and Religion The impact of AI on religious practices and the importance of human connection. 00:10:14 - Disruption, Reflection, Transformation, Evolution Overview of the book's structure and the significance of each section. 00:12:02 - Reforming Religion in the Age of AI The need for religious organizations to adapt to the challenges posed by AI. 00:14:11 - Community Experience in Sunday School Reframing the Sunday School experience as a community-building opportunity rather than just knowledge transfer. 00:16:00 - The Importance of Human Connection Emphasizing the need for genuine human interaction in a technology-driven world. 00:21:07 - Bringing Being into Doing Encouragement for leaders to focus on their presence and authenticity in interactions. 00:23:16 - The Role of AI in Church Discussion on how AI can be used as a tool without replacing the human element in lessons and talks. 00:30:29 - Pattern Breakers The significance of individuals who challenge norms and encourage growth within communities. 00:34:50 - Disruption as a Constant Understanding disruption as a natural part of life and leadership. 00:40:10 - Reflection After Disruption The importance of taking time to reflect on disruptions and learn from them. 00:46:22 - Transformation Through Reflection How reflection leads to personal and collective transformation in the face of change. The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman,

Matt Miles is a Political Science professor at Brigham Young University–Idaho and a co-host of This Week in Mormons and the Latter-day Lens podcasts. Links The Latter-day Lens podcast This Week in Mormons The Metrics of Faith: Rethinking Religion's Role in US Politics Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights This discussion centers on a research-backed framework for measuring religiosity, moving beyond traditional metrics to focus on the transformative effects of faith on an individual's life. Beyond the Three B's: Traditionally, religiosity has been measured by "the three B's": Behavior (what a person does), Belonging (their social connections), and Belief (their convictions). Matt Miles argues that these are insufficient measures of genuine faith. The Fourth B: Becoming: A more accurate measure is "religious becoming"—the extent to which a person has been transformed by their faith. This concept suggests that true religiosity is not just about actions but about internal change. Four Aspects of Transformation: Based on his research, Miles identified four universal traits that indicate "religious becoming": Transcendence (a connection to the divine), Humanity (love for others), Justice (a belief in fairness), and Temperance (humility). Faith and Political Tolerance: The research shows that individuals with higher scores in "religious becoming" are more politically tolerant. They are less likely to view those with opposing political views as a threat, in contrast to those whose faith is measured only by the "three B's." Challenges of Genuine Change: The episode highlights the difficulty for leaders and parents in discerning whether someone has truly been transformed by the gospel or is simply going through the motions. Leadership Applications Leaders should focus on teaching a "holistic gospel" that emphasizes the principles of "becoming," rather than just providing a checklist of behaviors. This encourages genuine internal change over external compliance. The discussion suggests that the Church is effective at teaching "transcendence" (connection to God) but could improve at teaching "humanity" (love for others) and "temperance" (humility). Leaders can apply this insight by creating more opportunities for members to serve others and develop empathy. The research on political tolerance can help leaders foster more charitable and understanding discussions within their wards and stakes, particularly on sensitive topics. The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes. Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

Blair Treu is an award-winning director whose work includes a variety of feature films, television shows, documentaries, and commercials for over 30 years—from The Power Rangers to Chicken Soup for the Soul. The writer and director of Sharing Aloha and Meet the Mormons, he graduated from Brigham Young University with a bachelor's degree in Theatre and began his career at the Walt Disney Company. More recently, Blair worked with BYUtv to create the series Real Families, Real Answers, and was a co-director of Granite Flats. Links Get movie tickets and details at sharingalohathemovie.com Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights The film Sharing Aloha, directed by Blair Treu, highlights the inspiring stories of students at the Polynesian Cultural Center and their transformative experiences. Blair shares how he became involved with the project, and discusses the unique challenges of capturing the students' stories, emphasizing their resilience and strong family ties. The film aims to showcase the students' journeys, illustrating how the PCC provides them with opportunities for education and personal growth. Throughout the conversation, Blair reflects on leadership principles learned from working with the students and the PCC staff. He highlights the importance of appreciation and compassion in leadership, drawing parallels to church leadership. 00:01:52 - Introducing Sharing Aloha Introduction to the film "Sharing Aloha" and its connection to the Polynesian Cultural Center. 00:03:44 - The Genesis of Sharing Aloha Blair Treu discusses how the project came to be and the inspiration behind it. 00:04:55 - The Abundance of Stories The challenge of selecting which stories to tell from the many available. 00:06:47 - Blair Treu's Background Blair shares his experience and previous projects in film and media. 00:08:44 - The Polynesian Cultural Center Discussion about the PCC and its significance in the film. 00:10:43 - Focus on Student Stories The decision to center the film on the students' experiences rather than the PCC's history. 00:12:14 - Insights on the YSA Demographic What Blair learned about the Young Single Adult demographic through the film. 00:13:37 - Cultural Connections The importance of family and community in Polynesian culture. 00:16:42 - The Film's Format Comparison of "Sharing Aloha" to "Meet the Mormons" in terms of storytelling. 00:18:18 - Funding and Support Details on how the film was funded and its relationship with the PCC. 00:20:38 - Addressing Criticism Discussion on the misconceptions and criticisms surrounding the PCC. 00:22:39 - The Value of Work The benefits students receive from working at the PCC compared to other jobs. 00:24:36 - Leadership in Performance Insights into how the PCC manages its performances and trains students. 00:30:14 - Leadership Lessons from Film Production Blair shares leadership principles learned from directing the film. 00:35:16 - The Importance of Appreciation The significance of recognizing and valuing team members in leadership. 00:38:53 - Final Thoughts on the Film Encouragement to support the film and its impact on the PCC. 00:40:41 - Personal Growth Through the Project How working on "Sharing Aloha" has strengthened Blair's faith and understanding of community. The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore,

This episode features a portion of a live stream discussion that took place in Zion Lab, where we explored the dynamics of delegation within bishoprics and youth leadership. Zion Lab is a welcoming space to discuss what you’re learning in your calling, share best practices and helpful resources, connect with others, and strengthen your ministry. Everyone is invited. Whether you’re new to your calling or have years of experience, your insights and questions are welcome. Links Read the transcript of this podcast Highlights A key theme of the conversation is the unspoken pressure that bishops feel as the figureheads of their wards. We address the anxiety that arises when programs falter or activities do not meet expectations, and how this can lead to a reluctance to delegate responsibilities. The discussion emphasizes the importance of setting clear expectations when extending callings, ensuring that leaders understand not just their tasks but also the vision behind their roles. Listeners will hear insights from various participants who share their experiences and strategies for effective delegation. We also touch on the broader responsibilities of bishops beyond youth leadership, including the importance of collaboration with elders quorum and Relief Society presidents. The conversation reveals how effective delegation can alleviate the burden on bishops and enhance the overall functioning of the ward. We encourage bishops to give themselves grace, acknowledging that they cannot do everything and that the Lord will take care of His children. 00:02:18 - Delegation in Leadership Exploration of the dynamics of delegation within bishoprics and youth leadership. 00:03:25 - Setting Expectations for Callings The importance of clearly communicating expectations when extending callings to leaders. 00:04:46 - Meeting People Where They Are The value of personal check-ins and understanding individual stories in leadership. 00:06:33 - Focusing on the Rising Generation Discussion on the responsibilities of bishops towards the youth and the broader rising generation. 00:07:50 - Delegating to Elders Quorum and Relief Society Insights on how to effectively delegate responsibilities to adult leaders in the ward. 00:09:59 - Prioritizing Youth Responsibilities Bishops share their experiences and challenges in managing youth-related responsibilities. 00:10:30 - Understanding Repentance Discussion on the bishop's role in the repentance process and how it can be delegated. 00:12:39 - Positive Reinforcement in Leadership The impact of recognizing and reinforcing good behaviors among leaders and members. 00:13:25 - Parental Involvement in Teaching Conversations about the role of parents in teaching youth about important topics. 00:15:32 - Training Parents to Teach Efforts to equip parents with the skills to teach their children effectively. 00:17:27 - Bishop's Fireside Discussions Plans for bishop's firesides to address important topics with youth and parents. 00:19:57 - Youth Leading Discussions Empowering youth to lead discussions on sensitive topics during meetings. 00:21:07 - Encouragement for Overwhelmed Bishops Advice and encouragement for bishops feeling overwhelmed by their responsibilities. 00:27:03 - The Lord's Church and Grace Reminders that it is the Lord's church and that grace is sufficient for all leaders. The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister,

Skylar Haws has dedicated over a decade to serving youth in various church callings, including Young Men's President and Priest Quorum Advisor. He has also taught early morning seminary and worked as a youth Sunday School teacher. Skylar's passion for youth leadership stems from his own experiences and a desire to help young men grow spiritually and personally. He resides in Saratoga Springs with his family, where he balances his church responsibilities with work and family life. Links Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights Skylar emphasizes the importance of meeting young men where they are. He discusses the value of building relationships and creating meaningful experiences through high adventure activities. Skylar highlights the significance of pushing youth to embrace challenges while connecting their experiences back to Christ. He also addresses the dynamics of planning activities, engaging parents, and fostering a supportive environment for all young men, regardless of their individual circumstances. 04:00 - Skylar's Background in Youth Leadership 05:00 - Advice for New Young Men's Leaders 06:00 - Meeting Youth Where They Are 08:00 - The Power of Sacrifice in Youth Leadership 11:00 - Creating Spiritual Impact in High Adventure Activities 13:00 - Planning High Adventure Activities 18:00 - Engaging Boys in Planning and Preparation 22:00 - Handling Low Attendance at Activities 25:00 - The Importance of Relationships in Leadership 30:00 - Balancing Leadership with Family and Work 32:00 - Thematic and Dramatic Elements in Activities 35:00 - Service Opportunities and Miracles 40:00 - Managing Challenges During Activities The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes. Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

Listen in to this livestream conversation from the Leading Saints Zion Lab, and help build a stronger Sunday School community! Zion Lab is a welcoming space to discuss what you’re learning in your calling, share best practices and helpful resources, and connect with other presidencies and strengthen your ministry. Everyone is invited. Whether you’re new to your calling or have years of experience, your insights and questions are welcome. Links Creating a Transformational Sunday School | An Interview with Dan Duckworth Church News: "What to know about teacher council meetings for parents" Teaching General Conference Teaching Restored Maxwell Institute Come Follow Me resources Stimulating More Personal Revelation in Your Ward With the Gospel Library App | An Interview with Richard Bernard The Covenant Path podcast Involving Women in Sunday School Leadership | An Interview with Garret Shields & Monica Fell Read the transcript of this podcast Zion Lab Community Highlights This conversation comes from a recent Zion Lab community livestream focused on Sunday School presidencies. This informal gathering allowed participants to share their experiences, best practices, and challenges related to their callings. We discussed the purpose of Sunday School, the dynamics of teaching council meetings, and how to effectively engage parents and teachers in the learning process. We also explored the challenges of organizing teacher council meetings, with participants sharing their successes and struggles in getting attendance and fostering meaningful discussions. Join the Leading Saints community at LeadingSaints.org/Zion for the full, unedited conversation and to continue engaging in these important discussions. We recognize that leadership in the Church can be isolating, but through collaboration and shared experiences, we can uplift and support one another in our callings. Join us as we explore these vital topics and work together to enhance our leadership skills and strengthen our communities. 00:04:46 - Joshua's Experience as Bishop Joshua discusses his experience as a bishop and his feelings of uncertainty in his Sunday School presidency role. 00:05:59 - Martha's Transformation as a Teacher Martha shares how a podcast influenced her approach as a Gospel Doctrine teacher. 00:06:40 - Chris's Missionary Work and Goals Chris talks about his work in the addiction recovery program and his vision for church-led meetings. 00:08:48 - Teacher Council Meetings Discussion Participants discuss the effectiveness and challenges of teacher council meetings. 00:10:51 - DJ's Insights on Teacher Councils DJ shares strategies for making teacher council meetings more effective and engaging. 00:12:56 - Brent's Perspective on Sunday School Brent discusses the importance of Sunday School and the challenges of engagement. 00:16:21 - Jeff's Experience with Parent Councils Jeff shares his experience with parent councils and the feedback received from their first meeting. 00:19:25 - Matt's Thoughts on Transitioning Teaching Matt discusses the challenges of transitioning from traditional teaching methods to more interactive approaches. 00:23:16 - Brent's Approach to Teaching Nuggets Brent emphasizes the importance of providing memorable takeaways for students to discuss at home. 00:26:20 - DJ's Success with Parent Councils DJ shares insights on the success of parent councils in fostering open discussions among parents. The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox,

Allison Schreiber is entering her seventh year as an early morning seminary teacher in New Braunfels, Texas—an experience she describes as one of the most joyful and spiritually-rich callings of her life. Fluent in German and Russian, Allison served in the Russia Moscow Mission before earning a bachelor of Fine Arts in Interior Design from Brigham Young University, along with certification in International Color Consulting. Her dedication to sacred spaces led her to intern with the Temple Construction department, contributing to the designing of temples in Houston, Boston, and Nauvoo. A born leader and meticulous planner, Allison has worn many hats across decades of youth and community service, serving extensively in the Young Women organization. She’s chaired committees, organized record-breaking Boy Scouts of America district events, and served on BSA Woodbadge staff for three consecutive years after completing the prestigious leadership training herself. Whether designing a youth conference or directing a camporee, Allison brings creativity, discipline, and a touch of grace to every detail. In her seminary classroom, Allison blends her vast experience with a personal mission: to make early morning Seminary not just bearable but transformational. Through intentional leadership moments and peer-supported learning, she cultivates a classroom culture where students feel empowered to plan, lead, and strengthen one another in faith. Links Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights Allison shares effective teaching strategies and principles that can enhance youth engagement in a seminary setting. She shares proven methods to encourage participation and create a lively learning environment. The conversation highlights the importance of making gospel connections and how thoughtful planning can help youth see the relevance of gospel teachings in their everyday lives. Allison shares her approach to teaching, emphasizing the need to mix up learning methods to keep students engaged. She discusses the use of games, interactive activities, and creative resources, such as movie clips, to make lessons more relatable and exciting. She also touches on the significance of recognizing each student's voice and ensuring that everyone feels valued and included in the class. Allison introduces the "EDGE" method—Explain, Demonstrate, Guide, and Enable—as a framework for teaching leadership skills to youth. She explains how this method empowers students to take charge of their learning and prepares them for future leadership roles. Allison shares practical examples of how she sets her students up for success, including organizing activities that foster teamwork and collaboration. She emphasizes the importance of loving and supporting youth, encouraging leaders to create an environment where students feel safe and motivated to participate. 03:15 - Allison's Background and Experience 04:29 - Seminary Class Structure and Student Engagement 05:20 - Testing Different Teaching Methods 06:45 - Balancing Fun and Gospel Learning 07:06 - Creating Meaningful Connections in Lessons 08:15 - Using Treats and Activities Purposefully 09:27 - Engaging All Students in Class 11:03 - Recognizing Individual Contributions 12:16 - Encouraging Participation from Reluctant Students 13:28 - Preparing for Youth Events like Trek 14:50 - Coordinating with Stake Leaders 16:05 - Advice for Future Leaders 18:12 - Making Gospel Connections in Daily Life 19:14 - Youth Epiphanies and Insights 20:21 - Mixing Up Learning Approaches 22:19 - Using Creative Resources for Lessons 25:07 - Incorporating Movie Clips for Engagement 26:43 - Setting Youth Up for Success 27:23 - Leadership Skills Development 29:29 - Model Ward Council Activity 31:40 - Final Thoughts on Youth Leadership 32:09 - The Importance of Love in Leadership The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-...

This is a follow-up conversation. Listen to the first episode here. Jeff Strong worked nearly 30 years in the consumer products industry as a senior executive at Procter & Gamble and global president and chief customer officer at Johnson & Johnson. He then taught in the Marriott School of Business at Brigham Young University and worked as an advisor to the Church before serving as a mission leader in the Arkansas Bentonville Mission. Jeff has since spent several years doing research on why people are leaving the Church. While not a professional researcher, his career involved a large amount of research and the research he shares in this podcast was done with the help of some of the top Latter-day Saint researchers in the world. Today, Jeff lives in Midway, Utah, and stays busy with a little lavender farm, some business consulting, and enjoying family. Links Slides: Tension From Our Differences When Clapping Happens at Church | A How I Lead Interview with Devin Pope Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights Jeff Strong dives deeper into the complexities of faith and community. He explores the idea that while many church leaders may come from a similar mindset, the diversity of perspectives within the congregation is essential for a healthy community. Jeff shares insights from a comprehensive study on disaffiliation and church experiences, highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of the church culture. He notes that while many members appreciate the community, service, and spiritual growth offered by the church, there are significant concerns about judgment, conformity, and exclusivity that can alienate individuals with differing beliefs or backgrounds. Jeff and Kurt talk about the tension caused by differences, and Jeff illustrates how the natural human response to perceived threats often leads to conformity and exclusion. He discusses the importance of yielding to the Holy Spirit to navigate these tensions, rather than allowing fear to dictate responses. A key part of the episode is the introduction of a segmentation model that categorizes Latter-day Saints into six belief mindsets: Seekers, Cultivators, Protectors, Avoiders, Connectors, and Explorers. Each segment is defined by its unique values and priorities, with Protectors making up a significant portion of church leadership. Jeff and Kurt discuss the implications of this model, emphasizing that a church comprised solely of one segment would lack the richness and diversity necessary for a thriving community. Understanding these different mindsets can help church leaders foster a more inclusive environment that accommodates a broader range of beliefs and experiences. Jeff encourages listeners to embrace the complexities of faith and community, recognizing that the presence of tension can lead to growth and deeper understanding. 00:02:00 - Discussion on disaffiliation from the church 00:02:00 - Tension caused by differences 00:09:00 - Story of the kingfisher and magpies 00:12:00 - Strengths of church culture 00:14:00 - Weaknesses of church culture 00:21:00 - The concept of the "natural man" 00:26:00 - The role of a leader in navigating tension 00:30:00 - Introduction of six mindsets or "segments" 00:36:00 - The "Seekers" segment 00:37:00 - The "Cultivators" segment 00:38:00 - The "Protectors" segment 00:39:00 - The "Avoiders" segment 00:40:00 - The "Connectors" segment 00:42:00 - The "Explorers" segment 00:44:00 - The value of different segments 00:46:00 - Disconnect in leadership 00:48:00 - Historical context of leadership 00:52:00 - Blending leadership styles 01:04:00 - Jesus and Joseph Smith as examples of different mindsets 01:13:00 - Discussion of the Body of Christ from 1 Corinthians 12 01:23:00 - Story of a 100-year-old runner 01:33:00 - Concluding thoughts on a thriving church The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podc...

James Fletcher is the founder and chief investment officer of Ethos Investment Management, and has been investing professionally in emerging markets for 20 years. He is also the founder of the global non-profit Young Investors Society, which provides lessons to teens on investing and financial literacy in over 3,000 high schools and 80 countries around the world. James has a bachelor's degree in Finance from Brigham Young University and also teaches as a BYU adjunct professor in Finance. He has lived in a variety of places, from Boston to Brazil and Los Angeles to Hong Kong, and currently lives in Springville, Utah, with his wife and five children, where he serves as a bishop in the Hobble Creek Springville Utah Stake. Links Young Investors Society: YIS.org Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights James Fletcher shares his insights and experiences as a bishop and youth leader. He shares his approach to engaging with youth, highlighting the advice he received to focus on them while allowing other leaders to manage adult responsibilities. He discusses his passion for working with young people, which has been shaped by his background in youth mentorship and his founding of the Young Investor Society, an organization that teaches financial literacy and investment principles to high school students. James emphasizes the importance of setting high expectations for youth while providing the necessary support and mentorship. He also discusses the significance of creating engaging and interactive experiences for youth, rather than simply delivering lessons. He shares how challenging youth with high expectations can lead to remarkable growth and engagement, citing examples from both his church leadership and his work with the Young Investor Society. 00:04:04 - First Impressions of Being a Bishop James shares his experiences and feelings during the first months of his calling as bishop. 00:05:16 - Unique Ward Dynamics Discussion about the unique characteristics of James's ward in Springville, Utah, including its diverse community. 00:06:57 - Approach to Engaging Youth James explains his focus on youth and how he prioritizes their needs in his leadership role. 00:07:54 - Background in Youth Engagement James discusses his history of working with youth and the founding of the Young Investor Society. 00:09:37 - Weekly Engagement with Youth Insights into James's weekly activities and how he applies principles of mentorship and engagement with youth. 00:11:06 - Measuring Success as a Bishop James shares advice on how to judge success in his role, emphasizing spiritual guidance. 00:12:00 - Personal Story of Mentorship James recounts a meaningful experience with a young man named Zach and the impact of mentorship. 00:14:23 - Principles for Working with Youth James discusses key principles for engaging and inspiring youth, including setting high expectations. 00:18:47 - Interactive Learning Experiences The importance of interactive and challenging experiences for youth to keep them engaged. 00:21:10 - High Expectations and Support James elaborates on the balance of high expectations and providing support to youth. 00:23:01 - Recognizing and Nurturing Gifts The significance of helping youth recognize their gifts and potential. 00:30:54 - Real Love and Genuine Support James emphasizes the importance of showing genuine love and support to youth in leadership. 00:36:21 - Young Investor Society Overview Information about the Young Investor Society and how it supports youth in financial literacy. The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith,

Dr. Benjamin Hardy is an organizational psychologist, author, and speaker known for his work on the psychology of exponential growth and transformation. He has mastered a highly unique form of strategic psychology and is known for his ability to rapidly scale companies to seemingly impossible levels. The author of several books and cofounder of his rigorous scaling company, Scaling.com, Benjamin helps companies scale 10x or more within three years. His innovative psychological and strategic frameworks are unlike anything else in business right now and are seeking to disrupt both the fields of psychology and business. Benjamin and his wife Lauren have seven children and live in Orlando. Links The Science of Scaling: Grow Your Business Bigger and Faster Than You Think Possible Scaling.com/Audiobook Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights Benjamin introduces the idea that setting ambitious goals can lead to more effective pathways for growth. He explains that when organizations aim for significantly higher targets—such as a tenfold increase in growth—they are compelled to streamline their efforts and eliminate unnecessary complexities. This principle is particularly relevant for church leaders who may feel constrained by traditional metrics of success. Benjamin emphasizes the importance of aligning daily actions with a higher purpose. He discusses the concept of "raising the floor," which refers to the necessity of letting go of lower standards and practices that no longer serve the organization's goals. By doing so, leaders can create a more focused and effective environment for achieving their objectives. The conversation also delves into the psychological aspects of goal-setting, highlighting how the future should shape present actions rather than being dictated by past performance. He shares a compelling story about an audacious missionary baptism goal and how adjusting adjusting and filtering ultimately achieved the goal—illustrating the power of high aspirations and the need for leaders to be willing to say no to less-impactful activities. Benjamin explores the challenges church leaders face in maintaining focus amidst competing priorities and discusses the tendency to add more initiatives rather than simplifying and prioritizing efforts. He encourages leaders to define clear, measurable goals that can guide their actions and decision-making processes, along with a call to embrace ambitious goals. By focusing on fewer, higher goals and raising their standards, leaders can unlock the potential within their wards and organizations, ultimately leading to greater success in their missions. 00:04:00 - Applying Scaling Principles to the Church 00:05:20 - The Goal Shapes the Path and System 00:05:50 - The Power of 10x Goals and Short Timelines 00:08:40 - Missionary Work as an Example of Scaling 00:10:50 - The Past and Future as Lenses for the Present 00:14:10 - Operating From the Goal, Not Toward It 00:14:40 - Raising the Floor and Saying No 00:15:30 - Blake's Missionary Experience and Filtering 00:19:40 - Overcoming the Influence of the Past in Organizations 00:21:50 - Simplicity vs. Complexity 00:23:10 - The Challenge of Too Many Goals in Church Councils 00:24:50 - Focusing on Key Priorities in Leadership 00:28:00 - Defining and Owning Roles in Church Leadership 00:28:50 - Understanding and Raising the Floor 00:31:30 - The Floor as a Standard of Accountability 00:33:30 - Avoiding Guilt from Too Many To-Dos 00:36:10 - Setting Clear, Numeric Goals 00:40:20 - The Future Shapes the Present 00:42:50 - Repentance and Reorienting Towards the Future 00:44:50 - Distancing from Past Self and Growth Mindset 00:48:50 - Measuring Impact and Qualitative vs. Quantitative Goals 00:53:00 - Accountability in Systems and Leadership The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day S...

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally aired in March 2021. Clint Pulver is an Emmy Award-winning, motivational keynote speaker, author, musician, and workforce expert. The president and founder of The Center for Employee Retention, Clint has transformed how corporations create lasting loyalty through his work and research as “The Undercover Millennial”. His book I Love It Here shares how extraordinary leaders create companies their people never want to leave, and in this interview he helps translate some of that wisdom into local leadership in the Church. Clint is currently serving as a bishop. Links I Love It Here: How Great Leaders Create Organizations Their People Never Want to Leave clintpulver.com Instagram @clintpulver Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights 4:40 Writing a book with lots of research was a difficult project 7:35 Culture changes in different wards come down to leadership 9:00 Engagement is low due to the pandemic but we can change some things even now 10:20 "Let me know when it gets to the part about me": getting to the people in the gospel is what builds a stronger culture 13:25 Give them a reason to connect with you; make the little efforts to connect with people 15:30 "Who said the guy wanted a fish?" Ask people what they want; do more listening than talking 17:30 Traditional leadership vs. mentorship and personal connection 19:30 Four types of leaders The leader who is removed The buddy The controller The mentor 24:15 Do you have the right people in the right places? 27:25 When inviting someone to a calling, make an invitation, talk about the expectations, and look for some buy-in 31:10 Status interviews and the power of meeting regularly Not a performance review Three questions: What can we do to keep you more engaged? What's getting in the way of your success? What can I do to help you get there? 35:15 Start with a check-in and vocal praise 37:00 Repeat back so they know they were heard and understood Follow up on what you said you would do Create a growth development plan with them Invoke the help of other people and make it simpler for you 40:00 Core values and a vision: keep it simple and memorable 42:30 Reflective questions Be open to feedback The to-don't list 47:35 Story of the business leader who was open and vulnerable, leading to a sense of ownership for her employees 51:00 Look for inspiration through association and connection with other people 53:00 What do you offer that Google can't? 54:20 "I love who I am when I'm here" The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes. Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

Monica Tanner is an RLT-trained relationship coach and host of the "Secrets of Happily Ever After" podcast. She transforms marriages with simple communication, connection, conflict resolution, and commitment strategies. Her mission is to lower the divorce rate and improve marital satisfaction. Through her podcast, social media community, couple’s coaching practice, and new book—Bad Marriage Advice, Monica has helped thousands of couples ditch resentment and roommate syndrome and get back to living their happily-ever-after love story. In the Church, Monica serves in the Young Women program with two of her daughters. Links MonicaTanner.com Bad Marriage Advice: Debunking Myths That Will Make You Miserable and What To Do Instead Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights Monica shares insights on the importance of communication in marriage, noting that many couples express a need for help in this area. They discuss the dynamics of relationships, emphasizing that both partners must actively engage in the marriage to foster a healthy connection. The episode also touches on the stigma surrounding seeking help for marital issues within the Latter-day Saint community, where some may feel that divorce is not an option, leading to feelings of entrapment. Monica explores common misconceptions about marriage, such as the idea that "happy couples never fight." They argue that conflict is a natural part of any relationship and that learning to navigate disagreements is crucial for growth. The discussion also addresses the problematic advice of "never go to bed angry," suggesting that sometimes it is healthier to take a break and revisit issues with a fresh perspective. Throughout the episode, the importance of choice in marriage is emphasized. Monica encourages couples to view their relationship as a partnership where both individuals actively choose to be together, rather than feeling obligated due to covenants or societal expectations. They advocate for open communication and the necessity of seeking help when needed, highlighting that doing so is a sign of strength and commitment. 00:03:19 - Common Marriage Struggles Monica discusses the prevalent issues couples face, particularly around communication and faith transitions. 00:04:54 - The Empty Nest Phenomenon Exploration of the challenges couples face when their children leave home, leading to potential relationship reevaluation. 00:06:27 - Advice for Struggling Couples Monica offers guidance for couples who feel tension in their marriage but may not have the resources for therapy. 00:08:34 - Unique Aspects of Latter-day Saint Marriages Discussion on the stigma around seeking help for marriage issues within the Latter-day Saint culture. 00:10:55 - The Concept of Choice in Marriage Exploration of how the perception of being "locked in" to a marriage can affect relationship dynamics. 00:12:22 - Agency and Choice in Relationships Monica emphasizes the importance of making daily choices in marriage and the role of agency in relationships. 00:14:27 - The Importance of Communication Discussion on the necessity of open communication in marriage and the dangers of complacency. 00:16:12 - Navigating Divorce Conversations Insights on how church leaders can approach discussions about divorce and the importance of not feeling trapped. 00:18:10 - Infidelity and Marriage Recovery Monica shares perspectives on how infidelity can sometimes lead to positive changes in a marriage. 00:20:22 - The Role of Church Leaders Advice for church leaders on how to support couples in distress without overstepping their boundaries. 00:22:25 - Community Support in Marriage The importance of community support and sharing experiences to help couples feel less isolated. 00:24:35 - The Reality of Marriage Dynamics Discussion on the complexities of marriage and the need for both partners to actively engage in the relatio...

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in September 2019. Frank Layden was a beloved basketball coach and executive best known for his time with the Utah Jazz. While he achieved tremendous professional success—earning NBA Coach of the Year, Executive of the Year, and the J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award all in 1984—it was his warmth, humor, and larger-than-life personality that truly defined him. Known for his self-deprecating wit and quick one-liners, Layden brought levity to the game and was deeply respected by players, colleagues, and fans alike. Beyond basketball, Layden was cherished for his kindness, community involvement, and ability to connect with people on a personal level. He had a gift for making others feel valued, often using laughter to lift those around him. Even in retirement, he remained a vibrant part of the Salt Lake City community. Frank Layden passed away on July 9, 2025, at the age of 93, leaving behind a legacy of leadership and compassion. Links Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights Early Experiences & Utah Transition 00:03:34 Involvement with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; reflections on what President Thomas S. Monson said about him 00:05:24 How he ended up in Utah with the Jazz 00:09:03 First knowledge of and interactions with members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 00:10:15 Approach to sports and Utah’s culture: “What can we do to help here?” Focused on building relationships over highlighting differences. Personal and Professional Philosophy 00:12:44 How he became a coach - Belief that his family was meant to be in Utah - Building the Jazz from a losing team into a contender - Perspective on success: You won’t always succeed, and shouldn’t measure success by money. Prioritize doing what you love and service. 00:17:48 The Jazz’s efforts to help players and their families grow off the court: - Wives club activities: fashion shows, making Christmas trees, supporting education - Interfaith chapel service with Rev. France Davis and Pastor Jerry Lewis - Bonuses for players who finished college degrees Leadership & Team Management 00:20:10 When players feel coaches support them, they give their all. 00:22:37 Emphasis on making each player feel loved; daily question: “What can I do for you today?” 00:24:58 The importance of small things: punctuality, readiness, balancing authority and discipline 00:28:20 Players must believe in you, and you must believe in yourself. - Understanding who needs motivation vs. encouragement 00:32:47 Establishing leadership: the team must know who leads - “Winning is not a sometimes thing; it starts the first day of practice.” Relationship-Building & Daily Culture 00:39:42 Building one-on-one connections with players - Creating comfort for players to approach leadership - Listening to them (examples include book club and shared reading) - Encouraging professional appearance - Mutual respect and adult treatment fosters loyalty 00:42:50 Players can sense if you enjoy your job. Reflection on Faith & Community 00:48:22 How being part of Utah’s religious community enhanced his experience as a Catholic 00:53:04 Takeaways and Leadership Principles The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne,

Dan Duckworth speaks, teaches, and writes on leadership, power, and systemic change. His forthcoming book, The Leader in Chains (spring 2026), challenges conventional ideas and calls for a radical rethinking of leadership—and how it is developed. You can read his Zion Leadership essays at danduckworth.substack.com or connect with him on LinkedIn. Links LeadingSaints.org/Zion DanDuckworth.Substack.com Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights In this episode, Dan Duckworth engages in a thought-provoking discussion about the concept of Zion and its implications for leadership within the context of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He begins by addressing the common resistance to transformational leadership in church settings, noting that many members feel uncomfortable with the idea of change-making. Dan emphasizes that the principles of leadership are deeply rooted in scripture, particularly in the teachings of Jesus Christ. He articulates the need for a "faithful vocabulary of leadership" that resonates with church members, moving away from secular leadership jargon that may not align with their beliefs. Dan challenges the traditional view of hierarchy in church leadership, asserting that God's ways are different from man's ways. He references the Doctrine and Covenants, specifically highlighting that in Zion, there shall be no king or ruler, suggesting that true leadership should not be about hierarchy but about unity and collaboration. Dan elaborates on the idea that Zion is not merely a future state but a present social condition characterized by a people who are of one heart and one mind. He encourages listeners to reflect on their own communities—families, wards, and councils—asking whether they operate under a hierarchical structure or if they embody the principles of Zion. He argues that the work of building Zion requires breaking free from systemic forces that constrain behavior and perpetuate the status quo. Dan also explains that leadership involves creating space for individuals to use their gifts and talents, rather than adhering strictly to established hierarchies. He emphasizes that leaders should discern the needs of their communities and empower others to step into leadership roles, regardless of formal titles or positions. Dan shares a scriptural example from the Old Testament, recounting how Moses responded to the concerns of Joshua regarding unauthorized prophecy. Moses expresses a desire for all people to be prophets, highlighting the importance of recognizing and nurturing the gifts within the community. He contrasts this with the story of Aaron and Miriam, who are chastised for their desire to lead without the proper authority, illustrating the balance between recognizing divine gifts and maintaining order. Dan underscores the significance of understanding the difference between appointed leaders and true leaders. He notes that a bishop, while holding an ecclesiastical role, may not necessarily be a leader in the transformative sense. Instead, he should act as a facilitator, allowing the gifts of others to flourish and ensuring that the community operates in alignment with God's mercies. Dan concludes by addressing the challenges faced by those who feel called to lead in a Zion-like manner, particularly in the face of institutional resistance. He encourages listeners to be mindful of the timing and approach when implementing change, suggesting that leaders should work quietly and effectively to build Zion without drawing unnecessary attention or backlash from the established hierarchy. He emphasizes the importance of direct communication with the Lord to ensure that one's actions align with divine guidance, ultimately reinforcing the idea that building Zion is a collective effort that requires courage, discernment, and a willingness to embrace the messiness of community life.