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Go beyond the slopes with Alpine PSIA-E Education Staff members Dave Capron and Angelo Ross as they dive into life as ski instructors—on and off the mountain. Hear real stories, expert insights, and candid conversations with insiders from across the ski industry.
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The Chaos and Co. Fellas dive into a dual rant exploring what lies beyond Level III performance—and what it truly means to ski and teach at a level higher than certification alone. Angelo and Dave unpack what they see as the missing pieces in continued professional development, along with the resources that help instructors keep learning and evolving.They emphasize that deep technical knowledge is essential—it forms the foundation for sustained growth and high-level performance. The conversation also highlights the importance of building strong learning communities that foster shared knowledge, accountability, and progression.A spirited and thought-provoking discussion that reminds us why it’s always worth listening when the Fellas climb onto the soapbox and let it fly.http://buymeacoffee.com/chaosandco360
The Chaos and Co. Fellas dive into a dual rant exploring what lies beyond Level III performance—and what it truly means to ski and teach at a level higher than certification alone. Angelo and Dave unpack what they see as the missing pieces in continued professional development, along with the resources that help instructors keep learning and evolving.They emphasize that deep technical knowledge is essential—it forms the foundation for sustained growth and high-level performance. The conversation also highlights the importance of building strong learning communities that foster shared knowledge, accountability, and progression.A spirited and thought-provoking discussion that reminds us why it’s always worth listening when the Fellas climb onto the soapbox and let it fly.buymeacoffee.com/chaosandco360
Dave and Angelo sit down for a wide-ranging conversation reflecting on Fall Education Staff Training and the December educational events at Mount Snow and Killington. Along the way, they share their appreciation for the entire podcast community—sponsors, guests, and a few well-deserved shout-outs to the super supporters who make it all possible.The discussion dives into everything from navigating the overwhelming world of manuals, performance guides, and National Standards, to exploring what truly great education looks like and how instructors can keep learning, evolving, and growing into exceptional ski and snowboard teachers. And yes—strong opinions, personal biases, and spirited takes on certain activities and approaches definitely make an appearance.
Dave and Angelo sit down for a wide-ranging conversation reflecting on Fall Education Staff Training and the December educational events at Mount Snow and Killington. Along the way, they share their appreciation for the entire podcast community—sponsors, guests, and a few well-deserved shout-outs to the super supporters who make it all possible.The discussion dives into everything from navigating the overwhelming world of manuals, performance guides, and National Standards, to exploring what truly great education looks like and how instructors can keep learning, evolving, and growing into exceptional ski and snowboard teachers. And yes—strong opinions, personal biases, and spirited takes on certain activities and approaches definitely make an appearance.
We sit down with PSIA-AASI Eastern Region CEO Kathy Brennan to talk about the Summit and Eastern Academy at Killington, along with what has her most excited for the upcoming season. Kathy shares her vision for member education, strengthening industry partnerships, and working closely with member schools to better meet their needs. She also looks ahead to her hopes and dreams for the future of PSIA-AASI in the East, and opens up about her personal goals for the season—as both a skier and a ski teacher.
We sit down with PSIA-AASI Eastern Region CEO Kathy Brennan to talk about the Summit and Eastern Academy at Killington, along with what has her most excited for the upcoming season. Kathy shares her vision for member education, strengthening industry partnerships, and working closely with member schools to better meet their needs. She also looks ahead to her hopes and dreams for the future of PSIA-AASI in the East, and opens up about her personal goals for the season—as both a skier and a ski teacher.
Eric Sheckleton—former PSIA-AASI Snowboard Team member and now President of Interski International—joins Dave, Angelo, and Pete Allison for a dynamic conversation about the road to Interski 2027 in Vail. Eric pulls back the curtain on the vision, planning, and momentum driving the event, offering a sneak peek at what attendees can expect when the global snowsports education community gathers in Colorado. Pete highlights the unparalleled exchange of ideas, teaching philosophies, and cultural perspectives that make Interski a powerhouse for learning and collaboration worldwide. Packed with vivid stories from past events and reflections on the friendships forged among the planet’s top ski and snowboard educators, this episode celebrates the spirit, passion, and innovation that define Interski.Interski Vail 2027: https://www.interskicongress.com/2027/Interski International: https://www.interski.org/home.phpIAESS Education Hub: https://www.interski.org/educational-hub.phpSPE Balkan SKI International Conference 2026: https://spebalkanski.zrs-kp.si
Eric Sheckleton—former PSIA-AASI Snowboard Team member and now President of Interski International—joins Dave, Angelo, and Pete Allison for a dynamic conversation about the road to Interski 2027 in Vail. Eric pulls back the curtain on the vision, planning, and momentum driving the event, offering a sneak peek at what attendees can expect when the global snowsports education community gathers in Colorado. Pete highlights the unparalleled exchange of ideas, teaching philosophies, and cultural perspectives that make Interski a powerhouse for learning and collaboration worldwide. Packed with vivid stories from past events and reflections on the friendships forged among the planet’s top ski and snowboard educators, this episode celebrates the spirit, passion, and innovation that define Interski.Interski Vail 2027: https://www.interskicongress.com/2027/Interski International: https://www.interski.org/home.phpIAESS Education Hub: https://www.interski.org/educational-hub.phpSPE Balkan SKI International Conference 2026: https://spebalkanski.zrs-kp.si
Coach Rogan kicks off the conversation with a great question: “As the season starts, what are you using to get yourself going?”Michael shares some powerful tools for reflecting on your experiences—using all your senses—to give your skiing that early-season jumpstart. Visualization takes center stage in this discussion, as Coach Rogan dives into where to find effective mental images, and how to apply different visualizations for different on-snow situations.It’s a fascinating look into how Coach Rogan uses visualization to see himself skiing and performing at his best—long before he even clicks into his bindings.
Coach Rogan kicks off the conversation with a great question: “As the season starts, what are you using to get yourself going?”Michael shares some powerful tools for reflecting on your experiences—using all your senses—to give your skiing that early-season jumpstart. Visualization takes center stage in this discussion, as Coach Rogan dives into where to find effective mental images, and how to apply different visualizations for different on-snow situations.It’s a fascinating look into how Coach Rogan uses visualization to see himself skiing and performing at his best—long before he even clicks into his bindings.
PSIA-AASI Eastern Telemark Examiner Karen Dalury shares her journey through skiing and how she became one of the most respected telemark and alpine instructors in the country. Karen’s impressive career began with alpine instruction before she expanded into telemark skiing, eventually joining the PSIA Eastern Telemark Education Staff. Her deep expertise in yoga is remarkable on its own, but what truly sets her apart is her ability to integrate that knowledge into skiing—helping students understand body mechanics and use that awareness to achieve their goals. Karen also talks about her passion for stand-up paddle boarding and how she has navigated life’s challenges to become a leading voice in telemark and alpine instruction within the PSIA-AASI Eastern Region.
PSIA-AASI Eastern Telemark Examiner Karen Dalury shares her journey through skiing and how she became one of the most respected telemark and alpine instructors in the country. Karen’s impressive career began with alpine instruction before she expanded into telemark skiing, eventually joining the PSIA Eastern Telemark Education Staff. Her deep expertise in yoga is remarkable on its own, but what truly sets her apart is her ability to integrate that knowledge into skiing—helping students understand body mechanics and use that awareness to achieve their goals. Karen also talks about her passion for stand-up paddle boarding and how she has navigated life’s challenges to become a leading voice in telemark and alpine instruction within the PSIA-AASI Eastern Region.
Blizzard/Tecnica’s Global Women to Women (W2W) Program Leader Leslie Baker-Brown reflects on a decade of impact — and shares what’s ahead for the program’s 10-year anniversary.A three-time All-American skier and Giant Slalom National Champion in her sophomore year of college, Leslie knows a thing or two about turning a ski — and how the right gear can elevate performance while making skiing more fun, empowering, and accessible for women.In this milestone year, Leslie offers a behind-the-scenes look at how Blizzard/Tecnica is pushing innovation with its cutting-edge W2W product development process — designed by women, for women — to deliver skis and boots that meet real needs on the mountain.And yes, there’s a special edition ski and graphic coming to mark the 10-year celebration. Get ready to ride in style — this is one anniversary you won’t want to miss.
Blizzard/Tecnica’s Global Women to Women (W2W) Program Leader Leslie Baker-Brown reflects on a decade of impact — and shares what’s ahead for the program’s 10-year anniversary.A three-time All-American skier and Giant Slalom National Champion in her sophomore year of college, Leslie knows a thing or two about turning a ski — and how the right gear can elevate performance while making skiing more fun, empowering, and accessible for women.In this milestone year, Leslie offers a behind-the-scenes look at how Blizzard/Tecnica is pushing innovation with its cutting-edge W2W product development process — designed by women, for women — to deliver skis and boots that meet real needs on the mountain.And yes, there’s a special edition ski and graphic coming to mark the 10-year celebration. Get ready to ride in style — this is one anniversary you won’t want to miss.
Jeb Boyd, Head Coach of the PSIA-AASI National Team, joins the Chaos and Company crew for a powerful conversation about alignment within the membership and its connection to education. Together, they dive into the Learning Connection Model, exploring its fundamentals and the driving force behind elevating education for members as well as the skiing and snowboarding public. Jeb also shares insights on connecting with students and creating transformative learning experiences on snow.If you’re looking to take the next step in your teaching career and elevate your impact, this episode is a must-listen!
Jeb Boyd, Head Coach of the PSIA-AASI National Team, joins the Chaos and Company crew for a powerful conversation about alignment within the membership and its connection to education. Together, they dive into the Learning Connection Model, exploring its fundamentals and the driving force behind elevating education for members as well as the skiing and snowboarding public. Jeb also shares insights on connecting with students and creating transformative learning experiences on snow.If you’re looking to take the next step in your teaching career and elevate your impact, this episode is a must-listen!
The wait is over. The nights are cooling down. And the preseason chaos is officially underway.The newest podcast from Chaos & Company, is bringing you a full-blown mountain matchup straight from the high-altitude training grounds of Portillo, Chile — where the real ones go to get dialed before our winter even starts.Suiting up for the season:Michael Rogan – the seasoned vet with a playbook of perfect turns and a reputation for keeping it icy cool under pressure.
Troy Walsh – the strategist, the technician, the guy who reads terrain like a QB scans the defense.
Katie White – the wildcard rookie sensation with unpredictable lines and undeniable flair.
Zoe Mavis– the energy, the force of nature who calls the huddle and sends it harder than anyone else on the hillTogether, they’ve been instructing, skiing, and stacking vertical down in the Andes.
The wait is over. The nights are cooling down. And the preseason chaos is officially underway.The newest podcast from Chaos & Company, is bringing you a full-blown mountain matchup straight from the high-altitude training grounds of Portillo, Chile — where the real ones go to get dialed before our winter even starts.Suiting up for the season:Michael Rogan – the seasoned vet with a playbook of perfect turns and a reputation for keeping it icy cool under pressure.
Troy Walsh – the strategist, the technician, the guy who reads terrain like a QB scans the defense.
Katie White – the wildcard rookie sensation with unpredictable lines and undeniable flair.
Zoe Mavis– the energy, the force of nature who calls the huddle and sends it harder than anyone else on the hillTogether, they’ve been instructing, skiing, and stacking vertical down in the Andes
The Chaos and Company duo discuss the importance of student responsibility in their own learning journey. They emphasize how individuals can leverage available opportunities and resources to create personalized educational pathways that align with their goals. While the process isn’t always easy, it’s ultimately up to each person to recognize what they have access to and find ways to use those opportunities to achieve success.
The Chaos and Company duo discuss the importance of student responsibility in their own learning journey. They emphasize how individuals can leverage available opportunities and resources to create personalized educational pathways that align with their goals. While the process isn’t always easy, it’s ultimately up to each person to recognize what they have access to and find ways to use those opportunities to achieve success.
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