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In the Relai Bitcoin Podcast we discuss the latest trends and developments in the world of Bitcoin. Relai CEO Julian Liniger interviews leading Bitcoin experts to answer some of the industry’s most pressing questions with the aim to educate listers about the world’s leading digital currency.

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Alex McShane is one of the organizers of the Bitcoin Amsterdam Conference, which is taking place on October 12-13, 2023. In conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Alex talks about the difference between American and European Bitcoin conferences, how he got from journalism to organizing conferences, and why he is fascinated by decentralized tools like Nostr. You can find Alex on X (Twitter) here: https://twitter.com/mcshane_writes You can find Alex on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-mcshane-a487a8205 — 00:00 - Intro 03:50 - Difference between US and European Bitcoin conferences 08:40 - Organizing a big Bitcoin conference 10:40 - How Alex got into co-organizing Bitcoin conferences 13:55 - Why Nostr is interesting 25:00 - Building decentralized tools 35:00 - Alex’s role in the Bitcoin space 40:50 - Alex’s Bitcoin portfolio — Prefer to enjoy this show on YouTube? Click here: https://youtu.be/yEsnpAb--u4 -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997 💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Join our community on Telegram ➡️ https://relai.ch/telegram Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/ #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
Oliver Gugger was our guest today. He is an ingenious software engineer who works mainly on Bitcoin and especially on the development of the Lightning Network in the Lightning Labs. More about Relai: https://relai.ch/ Do you have any questions, suggestions or criticisms? Write to us: hello@relai.ch Relai on Twitter: https://twitter.com/relai_ch Relai on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/relai-ch/
Patrick Heusser is the Head of Lending at Sentora and one of the most established experts in Bitcoin in Switzerland. He has been writing about and researching digital assets for almost a decade and is keen on contributing to new financing models for the ecosystem. In this conversation with Relai's Head of Communications, Joël Kai Lenz, Patrick discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why Bitcoin treasury companies are interesting but require careful differentiation between early adopters and copycats, and how the space is expected to evolve. You can follow Patrick on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heusser/ —⏱ Timestamps:00:00 - Intro03:10 - The revolutionary impact of Strategy05:56 - Financial models in Bitcoin acquisition09:01 - The role of retail investors in Bitcoin12:08 - The future of Bitcoin treasury companies14:46 - Metaplanet's unique use case as a treasury company18:05 - Emergence of new Bitcoin treasury companies20:53 - Market dynamics and the treasury hype cycle23:58 - The importance of MNAV in treasury evaluations27:04 - The risk of over-hyped treasury companies30:14 - The future of potential Bitcoin banks36:12 - Outlook on the future in the space47:55 - Patrick's Bitcoin position in his portfolio—Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 --The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date.--🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin:🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/Connect with us:Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.appTwitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_appLinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relaiDisclaimer: Relai is authorized to provide crypto-asset services in Switzerland and across the European Union under the MiCA regulatory framework. The company is actively expanding its services to EU member states following the completion of passporting notifications.#Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
Pierre Rochard is the CEO of the Bitcoin Bond Company and the host of the Bitcoin for Corporations podcast. He’s also one of the most vocal people out there on X about all things Bitcoin, bonds, and treasury companies. In this conversation with Relai CEO, Julian Liniger, Pierre discusses his journey into Bitcoin, what motivated him to join get into mining first and why he moved on from his role at Riot, what opportunities await us with Bitcoin bonds and why he is so bullish for the future. You can follow Pierre on X: https://x.com/BitcoinPierre And subscribe to his podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/@BitcoinForCorporations/ —⏱ Timestamps:00:00 - Intro03:10 - Bitcoin all-time highs and conversations about it06:16 - Retail vs. institutional investors in Bitcoin12:15 - Self-custody vs. institutional custody15:08 - The impact of the spot Bitcoin ETFs24:21 - Mining strategies and what miners think like 32:42 - Financial engineering and Bitcoin bonds38:08 - The future of private credit and Bitcoin lending—Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 --The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date.--🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin:🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/Connect with us:Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.appTwitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_appLinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relaiDisclaimer: Relai is authorized to provide crypto-asset services in Switzerland and across the European Union under the MiCA regulatory framework. The company is actively expanding its services to EU member states following the completion of passporting notifications.#Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
Alexandre Laizet is the board director of Bitcoin strategy at Capital ₿, Europe's first Bitcoin treasury company based in France. In this conversation with Relai CEO, Julian Liniger, Alexandre discusses his journey into Bitcoin, what motivated him to join the board of a Bitcoin treasury company, and how these companies will evolve in the future. You can follow Alexandre on X: https://x.com/AlexandreLaizet Or connect with him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexandre-laizet/ —⏱ Timestamps:00:00 - Intro02:15 - Bitcoin’s unique value proposition05:10 - The mechanics of Bitcoin treasury companies10:25 - Fundraising strategies for Bitcoin treasury companies15:10 - Risks ans opportunities in Bitcoin treasury investments26:25 - The future of Bitcoin treasury companies35:10 - Market dynamics and competition amongst treasury companies41:40 - The role of Bitcoin treasury companies in private markets—Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 --The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date.--🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin:🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/Connect with us:Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.appTwitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_appLinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relaiDisclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents.#Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
Pascal Hügli is a former journalist and currently an investment manager at Maerki Baumann. The bank is one of the leading financial institutions in Switzerland that offers exposure to Bitcoin and other digital currencies. In this conversation with Relai's Head of Communications, Joël Kai Lenz,  Pascal discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why he decided to work in a bank, how whales and clients with big positions are selling BTC, why he wrote a book, and what he thinks the future holds. You can follow Pascal on X: https://x.com/pahueg Or connect with him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pascal-huegli/ Pascal also has a great podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@lessnoisemoresignalpodcast You can buy Pascal's book here: https://www.ricardosalinas.com/en/librobitcoin —⏱ Timestamps:00:00 - Intro05:15 - Pascal's podcast10:18 - Pascal's new book with Ricardo Salinas15:10 - Bitcoin's role in banking and institutional adoption20:19 - Market dynamics and why we see so much selling25:16 - The impact of BlackRock and other financial institutions26:53 - Do clients of Maerki Baumann like Bitcoin or Bitcoin ETFs more?30:15 - The human element in Bitcoin and its community32:36 - Fiat vs. Bitcoin: Can it co-exist for the next century?36:45 - Bitcoin treasury companies and their impact41:08 - The rationality of Bitcoin investments—Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? 🎧Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 🎧Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 --The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date.--🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin:🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/📥 Free Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter: https://relai.app/newsletter👀 Need help? Send us a message: https://support.relai.app/en/Connect with us:Instagram: https://instagram.com/relai.appTwitter/X: https://twitter.com/relai_appLinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/relaiDisclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents.#Bitcoin #Finance #Investing #RelaiApp #SwissBitcoin #StackSats #21BitcoinBasics #BitcoinEducation
Parker Lewis is the Head of Business Development at Zaprite, a tool and a new way to collect Bitcoin payments online. Additionally, he’s also the Author of the book ‘Gradually, Then Suddenly’. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Parker discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why he decided to work in Bitcoin companies, how Bitcoin will soon eat up all the world’s wealth, and what motivated him to write his book.You can follow Parker on X: https://x.com/parkeralewis You can buy Parker’s book here: https://academy.saifedean.com/product/gradually-then-suddenly-hardcover/?v=adab7b701f23 —00:00 - Intro00:45 - Why Bitcoin community hubs are important05:37 - Understanding Bitcoin and Parker’s book12:25 - The problem with fiat money19:00 - Bitcoin as a solution to economic issues23:39 - Bitcoin as a store of value vs. a medium of exchange29:29 - The future of Bitcoin payments33:05 - Adoption and the acceptance of Bitcoin in businesses39:14 - Parker’s Bitcoin allocation in his portfolio—Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 --The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date.--Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time.Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents.👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/RelaiFollow us on Twitter➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_appFollow us on Instagram➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/Like our Facebook page➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/ #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
Efrat Fenigson hosts the “You’re The Voice” podcast and is a public advocate for Bitcoin worldwide. She came onto the scene at BTC Amsterdam in 2023 and BTC Prague 2024, where she gave talks about the dangers of CBDCs and how Bitcoin can be an exit. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Efrat discusses her journey into Bitcoin, why she decided to take a closer look a few years ago, how she started her podcast, why she’s educating against CBDCs, and what Bitcoiners can do in the future. You can follow Efrat on X: https://x.com/efenigson You can subscribe to Efrat’s podcast here: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice —00:00 - Intro00:29 - Efrat’s journey into Bitcoin05:23 - Understanding CBDCs vs. Bitcoin10:01 - The future of CBDCs and the global financial system20:18 - The risks of CBDCs and financial control30:09 - Personal finance and the Bitcoin standard—Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 --The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date.--Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time.Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents.👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/RelaiFollow us on Twitter➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_appFollow us on Instagram➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/Like our Facebook page➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/ #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
Peter Dunworth is a partner at the Bitcoin Advisers and has had a successful career in various family offices. Originally from Australia, he’s best known in the Bitcoin community globally for his Bitcoin outlook and work in orange pilling HNWIs. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Peter discusses what led to him discovering Bitcoin, why he was so convinced early on, what importance multisig wallets play in Bitcoin adoption, and how he’s actively orange pilling more family offices. You can follow Peter on X: https://x.com/peterbtcadviser —00:00 - Intro02:45 - Bitcoin’s current landscape and future outlook 15:15 - The evolution of Bitcoin in family offices 30:03 - Self-custody and the future of Bitcoin investments—Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 --The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date.--Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time.Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents.👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/RelaiFollow us on Twitter➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_appFollow us on Instagram➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/Like our Facebook page➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/ #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
Paolo Ardoino is the CEO of Tether, the world's largest stablecoin issuer, and the CTO of Bitfinex. Paolo discovered the cypherpunk movement in his early teens and has been fascinated by the movement. This led to him discovering Bitcoin in 2013 and joining Bitfinex a year later. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Paolo discusses the evolution of Tether’s USDT stablecoin, how they use Bitcoin as a backing asset, why they decided also to use gold and treasuries as reserves, and why they invested billions of dollars in companies and projects to further evolve the space. You can follow Paolo on X: https://x.com/paoloardoino —00:00 - Intro03:10 - Early life and Paolo’s introduction to technology06:19 - Paolo’s transition from technology to finance12:23 - Paolo’s rise to CTO of Bitfinex and CEO of Tether16:08 - The success of Tether and its impact on digital assets20:21 - The importance of self-custody in Bitcoin30:00 - Investing in Bitcoin startups and Paolo’s outlook for the future43:38 - Paolo’s Bitcoin position in his portfolio—Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format? Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44 --The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date.--Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time.Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents.👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/RelaiFollow us on Twitter➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_appFollow us on Instagram➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/Like our Facebook page➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/ #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
Michael Saylor is the chairman and founder of MicroStrategy. In the Bitcoin community, he’s known as the Bitcoin Gigachad. Since 2020, he has been buying Bitcoin and putting it on the company’s balance sheet.  In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Michael discusses why he decided to buy Bitcoin and use it as a strategic reserve asset, what that journey was like inside the company, why he sees Bitcoin as the biggest mission in his life, and what the next ten years will look like.  You can follow Michael on X: https://x.com/saylor  — 00:00 - Intro 00:56 - What does it mean to be in the Nasdaq 100? 02:40 - How much capital will flow into MicroStrategy? 03:58 - What is Michael’s plan with the ATM offering? 18:34 - How should millennials allocate their Bitcoin exposure? 24:36 - The opportunity with debt and the market to get more Bitcoin 42:15 - Why the Bitcoin strategy is the no-brainer solution for businesses 49:23 - Michael’s take on the Microsoft Bitcoin vote earlier this month — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format?  Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066  Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44  -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997  💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/  #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
Dennis Porter is the co-founder and CEO of Satoshi Action Fund, where he and his team work closely with lawmakers to make Bitcoin-friendly legislation. Dennis is the go-to resource for information about Bitcoin adoption amongst policymakers. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Dennis discusses Bitcoin's success in the recent U.S. elections, why the Bitcoin vote is growing rapidly, how likely it is that other nations will adopt Bitcoin, and what we can expect from the U.S. in the coming months. You can follow Dennis on X: https://x.com/Dennis_Porter_  Find out more about the Satoshi Action Fun here: https://www.satoshiaction.io/  — 00:00 - Intro 01:35 - What has changed in the interest of nation-states? 03:54 - What is the motivation behind the Bitcoin vote in the U.S.? 07:18 - Do lawmakers take Bitcoin and its incentives seriously? 08:53 - Is the younger generation pushing Bitcoin in politics? 09:46 - How big can Bitcoin and proper legislation become? 12:47 - What’s going on with Bitcoin and politics in China? 14:07 - What does it take for a Bitcoin-friendly bill? 15:25 - Will nation-states also mine Bitcoin? 17:48 - When will a strategic Bitcoin reserve bill happen? 19:58 - Why we need to take action!  21:15 - What’s Dennis’ motivation? 22:20 - Bitcoin allocation in the portfolio — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format?  Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066  Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44  -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997  💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/  #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
Fred Krueger is a former Wall Street trader and businessman who has a PhD in Operations Research / Applied Math from Stanford University. He is well known for his videos and takes on the Spot Bitcoin ETFs on X and YouTube. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Fred gave us an insight into the world of spot Bitcoin ETFs, why Wall Street is bullish about Bitcoin, and what we can expect from them going forward.  You can follow Fred on X: https://x.com/dotkrueger  Follow Fred on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@bitcoinkrueger  Find out more about him on his website: https://www.fredkrueger.org/  — 00:00 - Intro 02:00 - Fred’s background on Wall Street 09:26 - Why Fred is betting on the upcoming bull market 21:18 - Why did the Bitcoin price drop with the ETF hype? 23:40 - Fred’s take on the price drop despite all the positive signals 30:10 - Why Bitcoin is the better form of money 35:50 - How is Fred investing into Bitcoin?  43:38 - Fred’s closing thoughts — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format?  Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066  Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44  -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997  💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/  #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
Preston Pysh is the co-host of the Investor’s Podcast and general partner at Ego Death Capital. He initially discovered Bitcoin because he was interested in the returns but quickly learned more about the network.  In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Preston explains why more and more institutions will allocate, what the Fed got wrong in the past, and why he invests in Bitcoin companies to build a better future. You can follow Preston on X: https://x.com/PrestonPysh  Follow Preston’s Investor’s Podcast at: https://www.theinvestorspodcast.com/  Find out more about Ego Death Capital at: https://egodeath.capital/  — 00:00 - Intro 03:25 - Preston’s journey into Bitcoin 09:03 - Why everyone is suddenly talking about Bitcoin 16:07 - The reason why the monetary supply is expanding 23:35 - How the Cantillon Effect is ruining investors and businesses 28:45 - Why Preston is only investing in Bitcoin and Bitcoin businesses 34:55 - How companies like MicroStrategy help in institutional adoption 38:16 - Has Donald Trump actually understood Bitcoin? 41:09 - Will Game Theory play out with Bitcoin? 47:16 - How hyperinflation will help Bitcoin thrive 52:10 - Why traditional finance is leaning into Bitcoin 55:14 - Preston’s Bitcoin allocation in his portfolio — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format?  Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066  Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44  -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997  💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/  #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
Adam Back is the CEO and founder of Blockstream and has been involved in Bitcoin since its beginning. Before working in Bitcoin, Adam had already been working on various e-cash solutions and how to use encryption to protect users' privacy. He’s one of the earliest cypherpunks in the industry.  In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Adam shares his journey into Bitcoin, how Blockstream is working on scaling Bitcoin, why encryption is key, and how the Bitcoin community and companies need to improve their services to onboard more people into the Bitcoin network.  You can find Adam on X (Twitter) here: https://x.com/adam3us  You can find out more about Blockstream here: https://blockstream.com/  — 00:00 - Intro 01:55 - How does Adam see the future of Bitcoin scaling 07:20 - Why certain investors are happy with custodial services 08:10 - How Greenlight and Breez helped with the Relai Lightning wallet 15:35 - Why integrating all the Bitcoin scaling solutions into one service is key 20:15 - Where on the spectrum is Liquid? Is it custodial or non-custodial? 28:00 - How Liquid and different layers can facilitate the orange pill process 33:10 - Why Bitcoin is so much more than just savings technology 36:00 - Do we need more layers on top of Bitcoin for other use cases? 46:00 - We need to keep networks permissionless and open 48:50 - Adam’s Bitcoin allocation in his portfolio — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format?  Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066  Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44  -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997  💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/  #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
John Carvalho is the CEO and founder of Synonym and has been in Bitcoin for over a decade. Right from the start, he knew he wanted to contribute to the ecosystem and dove head first into the technology.  In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, John shares his journey into Bitcoin, how he orange-pilled himself within a week, why he decided to found Synonym, and how their infrastructure contributes to growing the ecosystem. You can find John on X (Twitter) here:https://twitter.com/BitcoinErrorLog  You can find out more about Synonym here: https://synonym.to/  — 00:00 - Intro 01:40 - How Silk Road influenced Bitcoin back in 2012 05:10 - Why did John decide to start working in Bitcoin  09:25 - Should there be a single Marketing entity in Bitcoin? 11:55 - Why does John think the spot Bitcoin ETFs are centralized? 14:20 - How large holders are an issue for the decentralization of Bitcoin 17:35 - Is there a way to scale Bitcoin to not lose small transactions on-chain?  23:00 - What scaling technology will be the go-to standard in the future? 28:15 - Why Lightning is the best scaling technology now, but we need to do better 36:00 - There will always be users or customers who want to use custodial services 42:25 - How do Julian and Relai rank stablecoins like Tether in the Bitcoin ecosystem? 47:15 - Are there incentives for users to use Bitcoin only in an app or with a service? 54:10 - How John revived RGB and why he decided to do so 56:25 - Why John doesn’t believe that Splicing will work 58:21 - The main reason why John still works in Bitcoin 59:25 - John’s Bitcoin allocation in his portfolio — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format?  Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066  Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44  -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997  💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/  #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
Matyas Kuchar is the co-founder of BTC Prague, the biggest Bitcoin conference in Europe.  Matyas and his brother decided to create BTC Prague to celebrate Bitcoin as a whole and the Czech Bitcoin scene. Many Bitcoin products came out of the Czech Republic, and the community is thriving to this day.   In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Matyas shares his journey into Bitcoin, why he and his brother decided to hold the conference, what to expect this year, and how the Bitcoin community can use such events to attract even more people to the ecosystem.  You can find Matyas on X (Twitter) here: https://twitter.com/Matyas44Cook  You can also follow Matyas on Nostr: npub137x48n3c7wzyaawmeydkwdxdkvg3gd2mvpp6phrjft9y5xrxqa9q9kz69c Visit the BTC Prague website: https://btcprague.com/  Use the code RELAI or buy a ticket with this link for 10% off! https://www.btcprague.com/?promo_id=19162&key=88c368586606d4e3a320e0e04e95f9b0 — 00:00 - Intro 01:00 - What Dev Hack Day is all about 04:45 - What Matyas day to day life is like these days  09:10 - How Matyas books big speakers and presenters 10:30 - What’s it like to go to so many conferences 13:50 - Which speakers will be at BTC Prague 2024 16:45 - Matyas sets the record straight about the exclusive side events 17:45 - How the side events will be set up this year, and what to expect 24:35 - Why will there be a Czech-only stage, and who’s speaking 34:00 - What Julian will be speaking about in Prague this year 33:55 - Why BTC Prague is organizing and holding a pitch contest 36:35 - What it’s like to organize the conference with your family 38:20 - Why there is a special VIP / Exclusive Stage  43:00 - Why Matyas is so passionate about Bitcoin — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format?  Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066  Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44  Listen on Google Podcast: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy80MmM2M2U5MC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw  -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997  💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/  #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
Joe Hall, or how he’s otherwise known, Joe Nakamoto, is a Bitcoin journalist and content creator.  He’s most famous within the communities for orange pilling absolutely everyone on the streets, in bars, or is small communities all around the world. Just a couple of months ago he still worked for Cointelegraph, but he recently decided to go freelance and create his own content.  In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Joe shares his journey into Bitcoin journalism and content creation, what he wants to change in the future and how he plans to expand his content creation business.  You can find Joe on X (Twitter) here: https://twitter.com/JoeNakamoto  You can watch Joe’s content on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/@JoeNakamoto  Visit Joe’s website to learn more about his endeavors:https://joenakamoto.com/  — 00:00 - Intro 02:04 - Why Joe moved to Portugal 04:40 - Joe’s experience with the Madeira conference 07:40 - How Joe orange pills merchants and people  12:20 - What Joe does for a living and why he does it 19:00 - Joe’s path to becoming a journalist and content creator 26:50 - Joe’s experience at Cointelegraph and the crypto media landscape 35:55 - How Joe plans to grow his business and monetize his content 38:00 - Why Bitcoin needs an emoji and how Joe is contributing to it 47:38 - Joe’s Bitcoin allocation in his portfolio and why he decided to live on it — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format?  Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066  Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44  Listen on Google Podcast: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy80MmM2M2U5MC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw  -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997  💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/  #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
Matej Zak has been part of the Trezor team for a few years now. Initially, he started out as a product manager but slowly moved into a leadership role. This past year, he took over as the CEO of Trezor.  These days, Trezor and Matej are hyperfocused on offering as many self-custody solutions and services as possible. The company also recently announced that it’ll partner with more brokerages and exchanges to make it even easier for users to buy and HODL their Bitcoin.  In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Matej goes down his Bitcoin rabbit hole, discusses Trezor's future plans, and discusses how the Bitcoin ecosystem will expand into other markets.  You can find Matej on X (Twitter) here: https://twitter.com/matej_zak  You can find out more about Trezor here: https://trezor.io/  — 00:00 - Intro 01:42 - How Matej became the CEO of Trezor 03:51 - How Matej got into Bitcoin and the industry 11:50 - Why having the right people on board is so important 16:20 - Trezor’s plans for the next couple of years 19:10 - Trezor’s new device and what they plan to do with it 22:10 - How will we use Bitcoin hardware in the future 26:55 - Will Big Tech step into the Bitcoin hardware wallet space 31:40 - How Trezor chooses its partners and evaluates next steps  36:50 - Matej’s Bitcoin portfolio percentage   — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format?  Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066  Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44  Listen on Google Podcast: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy80MmM2M2U5MC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw  -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997  💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/  #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
Jimmy Song is a Bitcoin educator, developer, entrepreneur, and author of Programming Bitcoin and The Little Bitcoin Book.  In addition, he’s a Bitcoin fellow at Blockchain Capital, a lecturer at the University of Texas, a speaker at Bitcoin conferences, an avid open source contributor, mostly in Bitcoin, and the instructor of a 2-day workshop for programmers, Programming Blockchain. He was introduced to Bitcoin by buying $100 worth of beef jerky back in 2013 for 0.25 BTC. Unfortunately he was also scammed out of 2 BTC with a Alitin Mint Adam Smith coin and knew from that moment on, that he needs to dig deeper and learn more about the ecosystem.  Jimmy's goal is to bring sound money to the world. Bitcoin is the one chance at defunding and decentralizing the power of the oligarchy. Making more developers for the ecosystem is his passion. In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Jimmy talks about his experience in teaching fellow developers, what it takes for the Bitcoin community to succeed and why he’s so bullish on…  You can find Jimmy  on X (Twitter) here: https://twitter.com/jimmysong  You can find Jimmy on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmysong/  You can read Jimmy’s newsletter here: https://jimmysong.substack.com/  You can also get in touch with Jimmy on his website: https://programmingbitcoin.com/  — 00:00 - Intro 00:50 - Jimmy’s time in Innsbruck  02:30 - What Jimmy is up to these days 05:45 - The ratrace with the fiat system  10:00 - Jimmy’s last full time fiat job in 2017 16:40 - How governments have captured businesses  24:56 - Why Bitcoin will be the fix for everything in the world 36:50 - Is Bitcoin going to stop the money printer in the next 20 years 47:20 - Jimmy’s latest book “Fiat Ruins Everything” and why he wrote it — Prefer to enjoy this show in audio format?  Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/relai-bitcoin-podcast/id1543267066  Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06BdZid57RlCgBNsgr703A?si=5ec60cc680534b44  Listen on Google Podcast: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy80MmM2M2U5MC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw  -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997  💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Join our community on Telegram ➡️ https://relai.ch/telegram  Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/  #bitcoin #personalfinance #savings #buybitcoin
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