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Unfiltered, unedited, and uncommon thoughts from 2 pastors figuring it out as they go.
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In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, we kick off a brand new conversation about something many Christians never stop to question: what if some of the behaviors we’ve called “spiritual maturity” are actually survival patterns? We talk about three reasons churches often unintentionally reward unhealthy patterns, not because leaders are malicious, but because many of us were formed by the same systems ourselves. From self-shrinking that looks like humility, to overworking that looks like s...
In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, we wrap up our deconstruction/reconstruction mini-series with a question a lot of people ask: Which one is harder—deconstruction or reconstruction? We start with a little Nashville recap, then we get honest about what this journey actually feels like in real life. One of the biggest takeaways: the “harder vs. easier” question might not even be the right lens. The better questions are: What am I building now? What am I a part of? And is it beautiful? ...
In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock tackle one of the hardest parts of growth: what happens when you change…but the people around you don’t. If you’ve gone through deconstruction, started holding your beliefs more loosely, or found yourself living with more nuance, you’ve probably felt the tension at the dinner table—Do I speak up? Stay quiet? Change the subject? Because the truth is, most of the time the tension isn’t even theological… it’s relational. They talk hone...
In this episode of Two Pastors And A Mic, we tackle one of the hardest (and most freeing) parts of the faith journey: what it looks like to follow Jesus without needing to be certain about everything. A lot of us were formed in environments where certainty = faith… where having the “right answer” felt like safety, belonging, and control. But when deconstruction (or just honest questions) starts pulling at those threads, it can feel like you’re losing your footing—even when you’re actually ga...
In today’s conversation, we’re talking about something almost everyone has to rebuild at some point—trust. If you’ve been dismissed, disappointed, shunned, or wounded by church culture, you know how quickly trust can fracture… not just with people, but with yourself and even with God. So we break it down like a three-legged stool: ✅ rebuilding trust with others ✅ rebuilding trust with yourself ✅ rebuilding trust with God And then we get super practical by unpacking Brené Brown’s “BRAVING” f...
In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, we keep walking out what we’re calling the 2:6 Life - Anyone who claims to live in Him must live as Jesus did” (1 John 2:6). And today we go straight into a tension a lot of us feel after deconstruction, church hurt, or betrayal: How do you protect your heart…without closing it off completely? Because for many of us, cynicism starts to feel like wisdom. It promises we won’t be surprised again, disappointed again, or fooled again. But over time, cyni...
What do you do when you feel stuck? You’ve awakened to union. You’ve deconstructed beliefs that used to shape your life. You have clarity of thought… but not clarity of direction. And the weird part is: you don’t want to go back — you just don’t know how to move forward. In this episode, we unpack 5 common reasons people get stuck after deconstruction (and why it’s not failure), plus real-life examples of what “stuckness” can look like when your beliefs have changed faster than your life kn...
Deconstruction can feel like freedom… until the relief wears off. In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock talk honestly about what really changes after deconstruction — and what often doesn’t. Because many of us have shifted our beliefs about God, the Bible, hell, the devil, and faith… but still find ourselves stuck in the same emotional patterns we learned in the system we left. You might think differently now… but still feel anxious, responsible, pressured, or lonely. ...
Welcome back to Two Pastors and a Mic — and welcome to 2026. In this first episode of the new year, Cory and Channock kick off what we’re calling “The 2:6 Life” (1 John 2:6): “If anyone claims to live in Him, they must live as Jesus lived.” But instead of turning that verse into pressure, performance, or behavior modification… we talk about what it looks like to live from union — and to actually integrate what you already know. Because a lot of us don’t need more information… we need transf...
Happy New Year! In this special recap episode, Cory and Channock kick off 2026 by looking back on a wild, emotional, growth-filled 2025. We celebrate wins, share honest behind-the-scenes moments, talk about what we’re carrying into the new year, and name what we’re wrestling with as leaders, husbands, dads, and pastors. From podcast milestones (downloads, top episodes, consistency) to personal wins (books, ministry moments, RELife homes, and the launch of Zoay Intensive), this episode is a ...
What if real strength isn’t found in winning arguments—but in knowing when to lay down your rights? In this New Year’s Eve episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock close out 2025 by unpacking one of Jesus’ most misunderstood teachings: meekness. Drawing from Cory’s final eBook, How to Sheath Your Sword in a Violent Loving Culture, they explore why meekness is not weakness, but strength under control—and why it may be the posture Christians need most in a polarized world. You’ll h...
What if prayer was never meant to be a religious performance—and prophecy was never meant to be scary? In this Christmas Eve episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock reflect on five years of podcasting and dive into Cory’s eBook How to Pray and Prophesy in the New Covenant. Together, they reframe prayer and prophecy through the lens of union, showing how both flow naturally from awareness, relationship, and love—not fear, formulas, or pressure. This conversation is an invitation ...
What if hearing from God was never about chasing a voice—but awakening to the One already speaking within you? In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock unpack Cory’s eBook How to Hear From God, addressing one of the most common—and most anxiety-producing—questions in the Christian life. Together they dismantle fear-based spirituality, unspook the Holy Spirit, and offer a deeply relational, peace-filled framework for recognizing God’s voice in everyday life. This conversat...
What if real evangelism was never meant to feel like selling… but like loving? In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock unpack Cory’s free eBook “How to Understand the Gospel and Share It Effectively.” They challenge the old pressure-driven models of church outreach and invite listeners into a relational, grace-based vision of evangelism rooted in identity, belonging, and reconciliation. This episode is all about clearing the fog around the gospel and rediscovering ...
What if the best thing you could give your kids wasn’t money—but emotional wholeness? In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock unpack Cory’s favorite eBook, How to Be Emotionally Whole, and dive into what it actually looks like to do the inner work that breaks generational cycles. Thanksgiving may have just passed, but this conversation is timeless - because healthy friendships, marriages, families, and leadership all flow from a well-tended soul. You’ll hear: 🧡 How one m...
What if the greatest gift you could give this Thanksgiving… was your friendship? 🤝🧡 In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock dive into Cory’s eBook How to Be a Great Friend - a simple but powerful guide to building the kind of friendships that actually make life richer, lighter, and more meaningful. This week isn’t about theology; it’s about relationships - the people who make us who we are. You’ll hear: 🦃 Thanksgiving laughs, food debates, and family updates 🤣 The hilar...
What if perfection wasn’t about behaving flawlessly - but about expressing mercy from who you already are? In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock unpack the eBook How to Be Perfect, and they flip the entire idea of perfection on its head. Instead of moral pressure and performance, they explore Jesus’ teaching that perfection looks like mercy, not mastery - and how experiencing God’s love transforms the way we express it to others. You’ll hear: 💫 Why “be perfect” i...
What if God’s judgment was never against you - but for you? In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock unpack one of the most misunderstood topics in Christianity: God’s judgment and wrath. Drawing from Cory’s eBook How to Make Sense of God’s Judgment and Wrath, they explore how God’s justice isn’t retribution - it’s restoration. You’ll hear: ⚖️ How an adoption story reframed Cory’s entire view of judgment 👁️ Why God’s judgment rescues rather than ruins 🔥 How His wrat...
What if alignment with God isn’t about striving for connection - but awakening to the union that’s always been there? In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock dive into the eBook How to Align with I AM, exploring the beautiful truth that there is no separation between you and the Divine. Together, they unpack the mystery of union, the faith of Christ, and how to live in the flow of peace instead of pressure. You’ll hear: 💫 What it really means to live “in Him” — not...
What if reading the Bible wasn’t about getting it right - but about letting it transform your life? In this episode of Two Pastors in a Mic, Cory and Channock unpack Cory’s eBook How to Read the Bible. Together they explore what it really means to approach Scripture with curiosity, not certainty - and how understanding covenants, context, and the lens of Jesus changes everything. You’ll hear: 🔑 Why “The Bible clearly says…” can sometimes block deeper understanding 📜 How to read Scripture th...
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