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Writers Jacob Nordby and Scott Stabile sharing their uncut take on living in the world as sensitive people – keeping open hearts, learning, growing, and loving. Tune in and join the conversation.
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It’s been a minute! Jacob and Scott are back after a six-month hiatus with the first episode of Season 3. After a fairly brief catch-up, they don’t waste much time before diving into the deep end and discussing the collective response to the war between Israel and Palestine. How do we keep our hearts open, how do we stay connected to compassion and love in the face of such monstrous actions?
The friends talk about how difficult it is to stay centered in love when invitations all around us are calling on us to hate. They discuss how they navigate these waters and what practices help them to remember their hearts. It’s a doozy of an episode after so much time away and highlights the honesty and vulnerability we’ve come to expect from and appreciate about them both.
Don’t forget to get Scott’s new book, Enough as You Are, available everywhere on October 17th! Find it here: https://amzn.to/46sBYE0
Here’s the piece of writing by Ori Hanan Weisberg, an Israeli citizen, that Scott began to share: https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=2276492825888934&set=a.122696751268563
Here’s the compassion practice Jacob shared: https://www.mindful.org/just-like-me-compassion-practice/
Jacob’s retreat in Sayulita in February: https://events.healcreate.org/mexico-yoga-creativity-retreat/
Scott’s retreat with David Gandelman in Bali in May: https://www.meditationschool.us/bali-retreat-2024
A Writing Room Collective – a place for writers and those who want to be. https://awritingroom.com/
“We're not on our journey to save the world but to save ourselves. But in doing that you save the world. The influence of a vital person vitalizes.” ― Joseph Campbell
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott talk about giving and receiving feedback, and how easy it is to get triggered by someone’s experience of you, and to shut down to feedback even from those closest to you. They discuss the importance of looking at what you value in your life — in both an embodied and aspirational sense — and giving energy to creating more alignment with your values. Values are foundational and the more we consider them, the more likely we are to live meaningful, fulfilling lives. The friends also talk about how complex getting honest with yourself can be, and sometimes in our eagerness to eliminate what we see as unhealthy and untrue may actually be a true part of our nature.
Scott’s Writing Yourself Workshop on April 29th: https://writingyourselfapril.eventbrite.com
Scott’s Spain retreat with David Gandelman: https://www.meditationschool.us/spain-retreat-2023
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott talk about Scott’s rough entrance into New Orleans and his attempts to jibe with the Mardi Gras vibe, even though drunken crowds are decidedly not his thing. They discuss the importance of honoring where you are, and at the same time not being bound to stories about yourself that may prevent you from moving forward. The friends talk about the witness again, that place within each of us that only observes the mind and its thoughts, without becoming attached to any of them.
They leave listeners with a question to consider, in general, and especially when we find ourselves in a circumstance we’re not excited about: what do I need right now?
Scott’s Writing Yourself Workshop on Feb. 25th: https://writingyourself.eventbrite.com
Scott’s Spain Retreat with David Gandelman: https://www.meditationschool.us/spain-retreat-2023
Scott’s Breathwork Journeys: https://www.scottstabile.com/events
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott talk about the ways in which they’ve been navigating despair and overwhelm in recent months. For Jacob, keeping steady with his daily journaling practice has been a consistent source of grounding. For Scott, remembering to bear witness rather than become the thoughts of his despairing mind has helped create a bit more peace. The friends talk about accepting rather than resisting what is, and moving forward and creating change from this place of acceptance. As well, they remind us that we all have an inner knowing that will (if we let listen) guide us to choices and practices that are likely to serve our growth and healing.
Scott’s Spain retreat with David Gandelman: https://www.meditationschool.us/spain-retreat-2023
Breathwork with Scott on Wednesday, January 25th: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/online-breath-belonging-with-scott-stabile-tickets-520667028097
Breathwork with Scott on Thursday, January 26th: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/online-breath-belonging-with-scott-stabile-tickets-520676997917
In this conversation — the 50th episode of Hey Jacob, Hi Scott! — Jacob and Scott talk about the importance of community, and the power within each of us to create community in our lives, whether in person or online. Sometimes, when we’re in compassionate communion with others, we are most able to find our way back to ourselves. They talk about integrating rituals into our lives, especially during the times of year that tend to be most difficult. Jacob offers up some great ideas for easy rituals that can be integrated at any time. The friends speak to how difficult the holiday season can be for many, and to remember the importance of the mantra, “this too shall pass.” Sometimes that’s the one thing we can hold onto when we’re going through a funk.
Scott’s visualization workshop “Imagine It” to start 2023: https://imagineimagine.eventbrite.com
Order signed copies of Scott’s books for the holidays: https://www.scottstabile.com/books-1
Julia Cameron Virtual Workshop: Write for Life – https://www.healcreate.org/write-for-life-creative-tools-for-every-writer-workshop-with-julia-cameron/
December Stress Relief Sessions: https://www.healcreate.org/december-stress-relief-sessions/
These include Breathwork with Scott Stabile and Therapeutic Doodling with Carin Channing!
In this conversation, Scott talks about the funk he’s been in, the loneliness he’s been feeling, and how his mind has had the reins for days and is hellbent on making him miserable. The friends talk about feeling destabilized and how difficult it can be sometimes, even if you’ve got all the tools, to work your way back to a more grounded place. They discuss holding space for life’s many contradictions, and that truth can live in exact opposite perspectives. They talk about how, as teachers, they approach discussing the times they’re struggling: whether to share while you’re in the midst of the struggle or to wait until you have some insights on the other side of it.
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott talk about the shift from "Can I …?" (or "Why can't I ...?")to "How can I…?" – and the way in which the latter question automatically assumes a yes and invites into play our creativity and imagination. They talk about conditioned responses versus authentic responses, and how one necessary component of self-growth is bringing awareness to the ways in which we’ve been conditioned, followed by concrete actions that represent what is most true for us. The friends also invite us all to look at the ways in which we can integrate healing actions into our days in bite-sized increments, trusting that even five minutes of intentional action each day will add up to sizable payoffs in time.
Heal + Create Writer’s Retreat: https://www.healcreate.org/writer-retreat/ref/5/
Scott’s new workshop, How to Love Yourself (when your mind is determined not to): https://howtoloveyourself.eventbrite.com
Scott’s breathwork session on October 26th: https://breathbelong.eventbrite.com
*Note: The previous episode 47 was deleted due to Scott’s audio disappearing at the 10-minute mark. This is the rerecorded episode 47.
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott take a deep dive into creating more abundance in our lives — financial, spiritual, creative, emotional, and every other type of abundance we seek to call forth. They talk about their current experiences doing the daily practices from The Abundance Book, by John Randolph Price, and how beneficial resting in the boundless energy of abundance can be for even five minutes a day. They describe their shared understanding that the Source energy within us all is the foundation and the supply for unlimited abundance, and their belief that this energy is working on our behalf. Though some of the ideas may seem a bit woo-woo, Jacob and Scott bring a clear groundedness to the topic of abundance and offer up practices that can help shift you from a scarcity to an abundant mentality.
Heal + Create Writers' Retreat with Anne Lamott, Julia Cameron, SARK, and other teachers:
https://www.healcreate.org/writer-retreat/ref/5/
Join Scott for Online Breath & Belonging on Wednesday, October 19th: https://yestothebreath.eventbrite.com
Join Scott for Online Breath & Belonging on Thursday, October 20th: https://breathworkrocks.eventbrite.com
Join Scott for a FREE guided breathwork session through Jacob’s Heal + Create community on Sunday, October 23rd: https://www.healcreate.org/event/breathe-your-way-home-a-special-breathwork-session-with-scott-stabile/
Check out The Abundance Book, by John Randolph Price, that Jacob and Scott refer to throughout this episode: https://www.amazon.com/Abundance-Book-John-Randolph-Price/dp/1561703478
In this conversation, nearly six weeks after their last episode, Jacob and Scott catch up on their final weeks of summer and talk about rituals for heading into the Autumn Equinox. Jacob takes us through his recent plant medicine journey in the City of Rocks in Idaho, detailing some wildly profound experiences within which are lessons for us all. The friends talk about the importance of transcending expectations and assumptions, about others and about our own lives, thereby centering us more readily in the present moment. Jacob shares some of the healing he’s created in his relationship with money and how much more available to abundance he’s become.
Jacob’s Writer’s Retreat with Anne Lamotte, Julia Cameron, and SARK! CLICK HERE FOR ALL DETAILS AND TO ENROLL
Scott’s online breathwork journey on Wednesday, September 21st: https://inhaleandexhale.eventbrite.com
The Abundance Book – 40-Day Practice (Jacob mentioned this book)
Six Rituals for Honoring the September Equinox (provided by Chani Nicholas)
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott talk about what it means to hold space for others – and yourself – in an honest way, and how doing so elicits not only more depth of connection but also a more authentic and heart-centered response. They also discuss the importance of owning our hypocrisy, as Scott shares a story about his own blatant hypocrisy related to podcast reviews and ratings. They take a deep dive into their understanding of the soul, and the importance of connecting to the ever-present peacefulness of that soul-centered place within yourself, while at the same time honoring your very human humanity.
Scott’s Detroit breathwork gatherings
Saturday, August 20th: https://saturdaybreath.eventbrite.com and Sunday, August 21st: https://sundaybreath.eventbrite.com
Scott’s online breathwork journey on Thursday, August 11th: https://onlinebreathing.eventbrite.com
Grab Jacob's book, The Creative Cure, on Kindle for just 99¢ or equivalent in the US, Canada, UK, and Australia:
Audio or reading sample at https://www.CreativeCureBook.com
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott talk about the difference between trying to fix yourself and working to accept yourself, quirks and all. They discuss how the self-help culture makes it easy to get lost in the desire to change ourselves, when what serves us better is acknowledging who we really are, with compassion and love. They talk about the benefit of teachers, as long as they recognize the power to create healing lives within the students, and dependence upon a teacher or guru is not only unnecessary but likely harmful. The friends dive into the Enneagram a bit (as Scott tries to figure out his type) and acknowledge whether it’s with the Enneagram, astrology, Meyer’s-Briggs, or any other system of understanding oneself, the aim is to create more acceptance and healing around whatever personality traits are yours to work with. Oh, and they talk about envy and the other less desirable aspects of the human mind.
“I was a neurotic for years. I was anxious and depressed and selfish. Everyone kept telling me to change.
I resented them, and I agreed with them, and I wanted to change, but simply couldn't, no matter how hard I tried.
What hurt the most was that, like the others, my best friend kept insisting that I change. So I felt powerless and trapped.
Then, one day, he said to me, "Don't change. I love you just as you are."
Those words were music to my ears: "Don't change. Don't change. Don't change . . . I love you as you are."
I relaxed. I came alive. And suddenly I changed!
Now I know that I couldn't really change until I found someone who would love me whether I changed or not.” - Anthony DeMello
Scott’s Santa Fe workshop this weekend with Ruthie Lindsey: https://loveyourselfwhole.eventbrite.com
Scott’s Detroit Breathwork workshops in August: Saturday, August 20th: https://saturdaybreath.eventbrite.com Sunday, August 21st: https://sundaybreath.eventbrite.com
In this episode, Jacob and Scott talk about the time we’re living through as an actual apocalypse, or an “unveiling,” as the word used to be defined. They ask the question, whether we see the world as crumbling or as flourishing, who do you want to be within it? How do you want to show up in your life, no matter how life around you is showing up?
The friends talk about the overturning of Roe v Wade, how that is affecting them, and the ways in which we humans are entirely too comfortable wanting to control others when we ourselves would never want to be controlled in the same ways.
Jacob gets forceful (for him) in his plea to all of us to live into choices that create more peace and grounding in our lives. It’s not enough to want it without doing anything to create the “it” you want. As usual, there’s lots of heart and many laughs throughout the conversation.
Scott’s newsletter: scottstabile.substack.com
Jacob’s “peace of heart and mind healing Rx program” https://www.healcreate.org/creative-self-journaling-program-gift/
1In this conversation, Jacob and Scott talk about their relationships with prayer, and how and why they use it in their lives. From there, they take a deep dive into miracles, with practical ideas about how to stay open to the possibility of and create miracles in your life. They discuss the power of listening to and acting on those internal nudges and whispers that can be easy to ignore and making a practice of asking for what you’d like to happen or receive in your life. This is an especially high-energy and uplifting conversation and one that will likely have you feeling more empowered to create the changes you’ve been seeking to create.
Scott’s Coming Home to Yourself workshop on June 25th: https://cominghometoyou.eventbrite.com
Scott’s Online Breath & Belonging on June 14th: https://onlinebreathe.eventbrite.com
Jacob's Microdosing workshop on June 28: https://www.healcreate.org/microdosing-101-an-introduction-to-practicing-plant-medicine-for-healing-creativity-and-personal-growth/
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott talk about guns in America, the situation with endless mass shootings, and what paths, if any, there are to healing the current divide regarding gun control. They discuss how to take care of ourselves when the world feels especially brutal, and how to hold space for one another’s humanity when we’re in complete disagreement with their convictions. Jacob and Scott would love to hear your thoughts on any of the topics they discuss, as well as any questions you might have for them moving forward.
Scott’s May 31st Online Breath & Belonging breathwork journey: https://onlinebreathjourney.eventbrite.com
Scott’s Newsletter: scottstabile.substack.com
Jacob's upcoming June 28 workshop on microdosing
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott talk about chewing mastic gum to open your nasal passages and strengthen your jawline (yes, it’s a thing). They talk about the pressures of purpose and the liberation that comes from seeing one’s purpose as whatever it is that’s happening at the moment, even if that’s only washing dishes or brushing your teeth. They discuss the importance of focusing on your inner self and inner circle when the insanity of the outside world feels especially out of control and unbearable. And they reflect on moments in their lives that completely changed their experience of this reality when it was no longer possible to see the world, or their worlds, the same way.
Scott’s May 24th Online Breath & Belonging breathwork journey: https://onlinebreathjourney.eventbrite.com
Scott’s Newsletter: scottstabile.substack.com
Jacob's Heal + Create Writers' Community: https://www.healcreate.org/
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott talk about what depression can look and feel like for the two of them, and what they do when they’re feeling depressed and/or hopeless. They discuss bringing radical acceptance to the experience of being human and seeing how different life can feel when we’re not acting in a constant state of resistance to what is. The friends talk about the power of choice in our lives, and checking in with and listening to the body when it comes to making decisions. Scott ends the episode with a guided meditation that takes listeners into the love of their hearts and the peace of their souls.
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Scott’s May 17th Online Breath & Belonging breathwork journey
Get the info on Jacob's Writers' Community launch
Catch Julia Cameron's virtual workshop: The Artist's Way Essential Tools
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott talk about empaths and highly sensitive people and the need for regular “hygiene” in order to balance out our empathic nature. They discuss returning to one’s innate wisdom and lived experience when it comes to finding the tools that help us recharge and feel more connected to joy, meaning, connection, peace, and whatever else it is we’re seeking more of in our lives. The friends focus on the power of baby steps to create a more fulfilling life, reminding us that you don’t go from A to Z, but from A to B. And Scott obsessed some more about the power of the breath.
Scott’s Online Breath & Belonging class on Tuesday, April 26th << CLICK
CLICK HERE TO FIND LISA CAMPION'S BOOK: ENERGY HEALING FOR EMPATHS
CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD THE ASSESSMENT JACOB TALKED ABOUT
CLICK HERE TO REGISTER FOR "THE ARTIST'S WAY ESSENTIAL TOOLS" LIVE VIRTUAL WORKSHOP WITH JULIA CAMERON
CLICK HERE TO FIND JAMES NESTOR'S BOOK "BREATH: THE NEW SCIENCE OF A LOST ART"
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott talk about what do to with feelings of hopelessness, and how to know, not that it’s always possible, whether you’re rooted in deep acceptance or deep denial (They can look the same.). They discuss the “come-down” from transformative experiences and how tricky it can be to integrate a powerful event into your day-to-day reality, and how much self-grace is necessary while doing so. The friends responded to a listener’s question about worthiness, lack, and feeling less than, focusing on the distinctive voices of the heart, mind, and soul.
A question to consider: How would your life look and feel different if you were to accept that every single thing about you is a natural reflection of the human experience?
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Many spiritual people are involved in a radical denial of what is happening.
They want to transcend it, get rid of it, get out of it, get away from it. There’s nothing wrong with that feeling, but the approach doesn’t work because it’s escapism in spiritual clothing. It’s wearing spiritual clothing and spiritual concepts, but it is really no different than a drunk in the gutter who doesn’t want to feel the pain anymore. When you abide and accept everything completely, you automatically go beyond.
– Adyashanti
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Register for the Julia Cameron "Artist's Way Essential Tools" workshop with Jacob's Institute for Creative Living in May
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott take a deep dive into Scott’s breathwork training and the healing power of the breath. Scott relates some of his experiences during his sessions, including connecting with both of his parents who died when he was fourteen. The friends shift from breathwork to plant medicines, and the ways in which we are called to certain healing modalities/medicines and don’t need to force engagement with them. They also consider the difference between what looks like the highest good (to the ego) and what truly is the highest good (to the heart). It’s a far-ranging conversation, prompted in great part by questions asked by listeners.
If you have a question, go to heyjacobhiscott.com and ask us.
The Creative Cure on Amazon – Kindle version at 99¢ (for a limited time)
Microdosing For Healing site
In this conversation, Jacob and Scott take a deep dive into friendship and relationships in general. As heartbreaking as it can be to part with a close friend, why do we not have any break-up rituals for it? The friends talk a lot about boundaries, what they actually are, and how to enforce them, as well as the need (as difficult as it can be) for honest dialogue within relationships. We hold back the truth for so many reasons, none of which moves a relationship forward in a clear and healthy way. They discuss moving forward after parting ways without closure or having all or any answers as to why things went down the way they did.
By poet, feminist leader Adrienne Rich:
An honorable human relationship — that is, one in which two people have the right to use the word “love” — is a process, delicate, violent, often terrifying to both persons involved, a process of refining the truths they can tell each other.
It is important to do this because it breaks down human self-delusion and isolation.
It is important to do this because in doing so we do justice to our own complexity.
It is important to do this because we can count on so few people to go that hard way with us.
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