Chax Chat Accessibility Podcast

In this episode of Chax Chat, Chad and Dax tackle one of the most misunderstood areas of document accessibility: tables. While they may seem simple to build, the real challenge is designing them in a way that works for assistive technology. We break down how screen readers navigate tables, why column and row headers matter, and how small design decisions can dramatically impact the user experience. From common pitfalls like overcomplicated layouts and unclear headers to practical tips you can apply immediately, this episode is packed with real-world insight. Whether you create, design, or remediate documents, you'll walk away with a clearer approach to building tables that are not just accessible, but truly usable.

This week we take a closer look at some of the questions we received during the accessibility session at Adobe MAX: L200 Learning the Fundamentals of PDF Accessibility Step by Step. Chad was there during the live session were we had more than 3200 simultaneous attendees listening, watching, commenting and asking questions. Now that we have a few minutes we answer some of these questions with a bit more depth so be sure to listen to the end where Chad and I make a special announcement about an upcoming project!

What's the best tool for making PDFs accessible? It's the question we get constantly, and the honest answer might surprise you. There isn't one. In this episode of Chax Chat, Chad and Dax break down how the "best" accessibility tool depends entirely on your starting point. Are you working in Word, InDesign, PowerPoint, Google Docs, or Canva? Do you have a tagged PDF, an untagged PDF, or a scanned document? Each scenario changes the strategy. We discuss why "born accessible" is always better than heavy remediation, when Adobe's auto-tagging can actually help, why tools like MadeToTag and Access Word continue to be game changers, and how platforms like CommonLook, PDFix, PREP, and Grackle fit into the workflow. We also talk about handling scanned PDFs, the realities of screen reader testing, and why bookmarks aren't the navigation solution many people think they are. If you've ever felt overwhelmed trying to choose the right accessibility tool, this episode will help you stop chasing a magic solution and start making smarter decisions based on context. Every other week, we unravel accessibility so you can build more inclusive, compliant, and practical documents.     Screen Readers NVDA https://www.nvaccess.org JAWS https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/software/jaws Apple Voice Over https://www.apple.com/accessibility/vision   Color Checkers TPGi Color Contrast Analyzer https://www.tpgi.com/color-contrast-checker WebAIM Color Contrast Checker https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker 8-Shapes Contrast Grid https://contrast-grid.eightshapes.com Microsoft Color Simulations https://www.microsoft.com/design/color Sim Daltonism https://michelf.ca/projects/sim-daltonism Daltonizer https://play.google.com/store/apps/ Adobe Illustrator https://www.adobe.com Adobe Photoshop https://www.adobe.com Color.Adobe https://color.adobe.com/   Acrobat Plugins CommonLook PDF https://commonlook.com Callas PDFgoHTML https://www.callassoftware.com   MS Word Plugins CommonLook Office https://commonlook.com axesWord https://www.axes4.com   Google Extension Grackle Docs https://www.grackledocs.com   InDesign Plugins MadeToTag https://www.axaio.com/madetotag   PDF Remidiators Adobe Acrobat Pro DC https://www.adobe.com/acrobat Adobe Bridge https://www.adobe.com axesPDF https://www.axes4.com Abby Fine Reader https://www.abbyy.com/ PDFix https://pdfix.net Responsive Table Generator Tool https://ianrmedia.unl.edu/website-resources/responsive-table-generator-tool/ Grackle PDF https://www.grackledocs.com/grackle-pdf Vengage https://venngage.com PREP (Continual Engine) https://www.continualengine.com/prep   PDF Checker PAC Checker 2026 https://pac.pdf-accessibility.org CommonLook Validator https://netcentric.allyant.com/accessibility-software/pdf-validator/   InDesign Scripts Keith Gilbert InDesign Scripts https://gilbertconsulting.com   Virtualization for Mac Parallels Desktop https://www.parallels.com Windows OS https://www.microsoft.com/windows Karabiner-Elements https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org    

In this episode of ChaxChat, Dax Castro and Chad Chelius unpack two very different approaches to accessibility innovation. First, they dive into Microsoft's implementation of MathML in Word and PowerPoint and why it represents a genuine win for accessible math. By carrying MathML through to the PDF export with proper tagging and screen reader support, Microsoft demonstrates what it looks like when accessibility is built into the workflow rather than patched on later. They then turn to Adobe InDesign's new AI-generated alt text feature and explore where it helps, where it falls short, and why turning it on by default raises important concerns. The conversation highlights the difference between proven accessibility solutions and experimental AI features, emphasizing the need for human oversight, informed decision-making, and realistic expectations as tools continue to evolve.

Accessible forms are more than a technical checklist. They require smart decisions about usability, workflow, and long-term maintenance. In this episode of Chax Chat, Dax Castro and Chad Chelius are joined by Walt Zielinski, a web developer with extensive experience building accessible form experiences. The conversation focuses on a key question: when should you use a web form versus a PDF form? Together, they explore real-world considerations like data collection, offline access, cost, maintenance, and who is responsible for supporting the form over time. They also cover common accessibility issues that frequently get overlooked, including error identification, focus order, color reliance, target size, and the correct use of checkboxes and radio buttons. This episode offers practical guidance for designers, developers, and document professionals who want forms that actually work for everyone.

In this episode, Dax Castro and Chad Chelius take a thoughtful look back at the accessibility lessons that defined 2025 and share what they are most excited about heading into 2026, drawing directly from real client work, remediation challenges, and conference conversations. They unpack why tables and forms continue to be the most persistent pain points for document accessibility, discuss hard-earned wins from complex remediation projects, and reflect on where current tools still fall short. The conversation also explores realistic expectations for AI in accessibility, emerging assistive technologies that show genuine promise, and the conferences and community spaces shaping the year ahead. It is an honest, practical discussion grounded in experience, aimed at helping accessibility professionals and content creators learn from the past while preparing for what comes next.    

In this episode Dax Castro and Chad Chelius break down the real-world value of accessibility tools. From essential free tools like NVDA and color contrast analyzers to powerful paid solutions like CommonLook, Access PDF, PDFix, and more, they discuss what actually saves time, what improves quality, and what's worth the investment. If you're creating or remediating accessible documents and wondering whether paid tools are justified, this conversation offers practical insights, honest tradeoffs, and ROI-driven advice grounded in everyday accessibility work.   You can find the Accessibility Tools Handout here: https://app.box.com/s/vhzt4r9rsqsucoz74ifxh2a3io1twaa2

Join Dax Castro and senior trainer Rob Underwood as they unpack how smarter file management and planning can transform your accessibility projects. They dig into practical strategies for setting up metadata, creating consistent heading structures, choosing and managing accessible color palettes with CC Libraries, and planning alternate formats for charts and tables before you ever hit export to PDF. Along the way, they tackle the realities of inherited files, layout tables, and multi-person workflows, showing how clear roles and reusable systems can save hours of remediation time while creating a better experience for everyone.   Note: For Rob's layer shortcut, he meant to say bring to front, not send to back.

Does accessibility really mean ugly charts, boring colors, and pattern fills everywhere? In this episode, Chad Chelius and Dax Castro tackle accessible color head-on: what color contrast actually means, when it applies (and when it doesn't), and how to handle charts, graphs, heat maps, and logos without trashing your brand. They break down the key WCAG contrast ratios, talk about the logo exemption, and share practical strategies like smarter legends, labels, and selective use of patterns instead of "pattern fill everything." Learn how building an accessible brand palette up front can save hours of rework, and how thoughtful body text and alt text work together for complex graphics. If you've ever been told "accessibility makes our visuals look terrible," this episode will help you push back with solid reasoning and better design.

Are you spending hours "fixing" things in a PDF that your screen reader users will never notice? In this episode Chad Chelius and Dax Castro ask a hard question: Are you fixing the wrong thing? We pop open the tags tree and talk about what really affects user experience and what is just busywork. From span tags and container tags that never get voiced, to lists that read like run-on paragraphs, to title tags vs H1s, role maps, and tables without proper scope, we walk through where your time actually matters. If you have ever deleted 200 span tags by hand, fought with a list that "looks fine," or wrestled with complex tables in Acrobat, CommonLook, or axesPDF, this episode will help you rethink your workflow and prioritize the fixes that make a real difference for assistive technology users.

When a PR and communications pro falls in love with accessibility, what happens next? In this episode of the Chax Chat Podcast, Chad Chelius and Dax Castro sit down with author and educator Matisse Hamel-Nelis to talk about her new book, Accessible Communications: Create Impact, Avoid Missteps and Build Trust, and the journey that brought her there, plus an honest look at what it's like to build an accessibility-focused career, launch a book and microsite, and teach the next generation of marketers and PR pros.   https://www.amazon.com/Accessible-Communications-Create-Impact-Missteps/dp/1398621846   If you create content in any form and want it to reach more people, build trust, and avoid avoidable missteps, this conversation will give you both encouragement and concrete ways to make your communications accessible and amazing.

This episode of Chax Chat features guest Roy Samuelson, a renowned audio description performer and consultant, who discusses the craft and impact of audio description in making video content accessible to blind and visually impaired audiences. The conversation covers the nuances of producing effective audio descriptions, the artistic and technical roles involved, and practical guidance for organizations looking to implement audio description in their media. Chad, Dax and Roy also emphasize the broader benefits of accessible content, drawing parallels between audio description and other forms of accessibility. they also share actionable tips for including blind professionals in the process and leveraging new features on platforms like YouTube for inclusive content delivery. Link for Disney Frozen Audio Description Sample - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7j4_aP8dWA Link to Roy's blog post - https://roysamuelson.com/why-i-dont-say-audio-descriptions/ Roy's version of IMDB for AD - Link to TheADNA.org - https://theadna.org/ The link for the blog article we referenced when discussing how blind people can work as Audio Description actors. https://roysamuelson.com/blindcreatorslead/  

Inspired by Michael Hans' recent blog post, 'Google Docs Adds PDF Accessibility Tagging', Chad and Dax are exploring recent updates to Google Docs' PDF export capabilities. They focus on the addition of accessibility tags and the implications for document structure and screen reader usability. Chad and Dax discuss their own testing results, highlight both improvements and ongoing challenges with nested lists and table headers, and emphasize the importance of proper content structure for users with disabilities, including those with cognitive impairments. The conversation also covers best practices for alt text, link descriptions, and tools like Grackle Docs that enhance Google Docs' accessibility for PDF remediation. The link to the blog post: Google Docs Adds PDF Accessibility Tagging https://michaelhans.com/eclecticism/2025/08/28/google-docs-adds-pdf-accessibility-tagging/

Chad Chelius and Dax Castro welcome Microsoft's Shireen Salma and Ylva Kravis to unpack new accessibility features in Word and PowerPoint, including the cross‑platform Reading Order pane, smarter AI‑generated alt text with approval workflows, and improved handling of floating images via anchors in Word. The discussion dives into table accessibility (layout tables, header detection, scope, merged cells), export-to-PDF best practices, and practical tips like grouping behavior, setting slide titles, and reviewing alt text in bulk with Accessibility Assistant.

Ever wondered why making tables accessible is so tricky? Or why it matters at all? In this lively episode of Chax Chat, Chad Chelius and Dax Castro break down the nuts and bolts of accessible tables with practical tips that draw on their decades of hands-on experience. From the essential differences between visual and programmatic accessibility, to real-world table fails (and how to fix them!), they share their secrets to creating documents that truly work for everyone. You'll learn why a table title isn't just for looks, how to pick the right headers, and get a behind-the-scenes look at how screen readers navigate data. Whether you're wrangling rows in Word, untangling PDFs, or just trying to help your team pass accessibility audits, this episode is packed with actionable advice and quick wins. Discover how the smallest details—like summary tags, color choices, and even WHERE you put your footnotes—can make a world of difference in digital accessibility. Join Chad and Dax for a deep dive that will have you rethinking the tables in all your digital projects!

Ever wondered why your document gets a thumbs-up from automated checkers, but still trips up real users? Do you find yourself wishing that technical compliance could actually intersect with real-world user experience? Join Chad and Dax as they dive into relatable stories, offer hands-on tips for remediation, and reveal the hidden flaws that checkers just can't spot. Whether it's tag structure confusion, alt text tricks, or time-saving strategies, this conversation will help anyone move from "pass the checker" to "create for people." Plus, get the inside scoop on their upcoming sessions and swag at Adobe Max—be sure to stop by their booth for stickers, laughs, and expert advice! Don't miss this essential episode for anyone serious about making accessibility work in the real world.

Think you know Adobe Acrobat? Think again! Chad and Dax pull back the curtain on the most misunderstood Acrobat features, busting myths about tag trees, reading order, and common mistakes that trip up even seasoned pros. Get practical, real-world advice on cleaning up your tags, using the right tools (and avoiding the wrong ones), and ensuring your PDFs are truly accessible. Whether you're a document novice or a seasoned remediator, these rapid-fire tips will save you time, headaches, and frustration.

A listener recently asked: How do you make legal documents with line numbers accessible? And Dax and Chad have answers! They dive into this niche but critical topic, breaking down the challenges of line-numbered pleadings and outlining practical strategies for remediators and document creators. From table-based solutions and tag structure tips to NVDA shortcuts and source file considerations, this episode is packed with real-world guidance to help you build accessible legal documents from the start. Interested in a resource mentioned in this episode?  Send us an email at solutions@chaxtc.com and we'll get it right to you!Subscribe/Follow us on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts to make sure you never miss an episode.

Accessibility isn't the cherry on top, it should be baked in to your designs from the start! In this episode, Dax and Chad break down common design pitfalls and explain how to avoid them! From poor color contrast and tiny fonts to confusing layouts and unlabeled charts, they dive into the most common mistakes. Using plenty of real-world stories, this episode shows the value of considering accessibility from the beginning. Interested in a resource mentioned in this episode? Send us an email at solutions@chaxtc.com and we'll get it right to you!