AttractionPros Podcast

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   What’s your guest experience strategy?  You probably have a marketing strategy, recruitment strategy, and sales strategy, but what about intentionally turning first-time visitors into loyal advocates?  Liebman Leisure Group helps attractions do exactly that.  From creating a culture of “wow” moments to empowering staff to recover from service failures, great experiences don’t happen by chance.   To schedule a consultation call, visit www.liebmanleisure.com/attractionpros.  Don’t leave your guest experience to chance.  You should be known for creating memorable experiences… on purpose. Kevin Williams is the Founder of KWP Limited and Publisher of The Stinger Report. A former Disney Imagineer and longtime voice in the immersive entertainment sector, he advises operators, developers, and brands across theme parks, location-based entertainment, and the rapidly growing world of social entertainment. Through his writing and analysis, he’s known for digging into what works, what fails, and why, then translating those lessons into practical guidance for leaders trying to keep pace with changing guest expectations. In this interview, Kevin talks about the next phase of immersive technology, transmedia, and embracing your audience. Next phase of immersive technology “What I was talking about seven years ago about the emergence of VR has been superseded by the adoption of XR.” Kevin frames “immersive” as an elastic term that stretches from Pepper’s Ghost to projection systems to today’s immersive display tech. What’s different now isn’t that immersion suddenly exists, but that audiences expect more agency inside experiences. He points to the rise of social entertainment and competitive socializing, where gamification is being applied to restaurants, bars, and hospitality concepts because people want more than a place to sit. They want something to do together. He also stresses that the industry is exiting the hype cycle and entering a more disciplined era. The goal is less about chasing shiny tech and more about understanding what works operationally, financially, and emotionally. In his view, the “next phase” is building experiences that hold attention, reduce friction, and create repeat-worthy fun, not just novelty. Transmedia “Transmedia means the ability for a brand or a narrative to circumvent multiple delivery platforms.” Kevin describes transmedia as the movement of a story or brand across formats, from screen to physical place and back again. He points to examples like Netflix House and LEGO Discovery Center as signs that entertainment IP is increasingly becoming something you can step into, not just watch. He also reminds listeners that this isn’t a brand-new strategy, using Walt Disney as an early blueprint for extending storytelling across film, television, and the theme park environment. At the same time, he cautions against treating IP like a magic upgrade button. A mediocre experience wrapped in a famous brand is still a mediocre experience, and he argues that investors often favor IP because it feels safer, even when the fundamentals aren’t there. The real requirement is a clear guest experience and narrative path people can easily understand and enjoy. Embracing your audience “You don't just chuck it in because everybody's doing it. You're going to have to understand your audience.” Kevin’s bluntest point is that many projects fail because leaders build for trends instead of building for guests. He describes “spaghetti moments” where operators throw technologies into a concept hoping something sticks, then quietly move on when it doesn’t, without extracting lessons. His post-mortem approach is about finding the real causes, including mismatched business models, poor repeat-visit planning, and ignoring frontline feedback. He also calls out the habit of using technology to mask unresolved fundamentals. If an attraction choice is driven by copying competitors, or if leadership avoids the hard truths in reviews and exit interviews, the problem isn’t a lack of gadgets; it’s a lack of listening. For Kevin, embracing your audience means designing for who they are, how they behave in groups, and what keeps them coming back, then using data to refine the experience rather than passing judgment.   Kevin can be reached on LinkedIn, as well as by email at kwp@thestingerreport.com. To learn more about his work, including The Stinger Report, visit the LBX Collective and The Stinger Report online. Additional resources: Entertainment Social Arena Wonderverse Closure LBE Zone Social Entertainment: Amusements Competitive Edge (Amusement Expo International 2026) This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   What’s your guest experience strategy?  You probably have a marketing strategy, recruitment strategy, and sales strategy, but what about intentionally turning first-time visitors into loyal advocates?  Liebman Leisure Group helps attractions do exactly that.  From creating a culture of “wow” moments to empowering staff to recover from service failures, great experiences don’t happen by chance.   To schedule a consultation call, visit www.liebmanleisure.com/attractionpros.  Don’t leave your guest experience to chance.  You should be known for creating memorable experiences… on purpose. Marah Rodriguez is the Regional VP of Sales of Mobaro. Marah started in the attractions industry at 16 as a lifeguard at Wet n Wild in Orlando, helped open a wakeboard park, studied communications at UCF with a minor in hospitality management, then took an unexpected detour into HIV prevention work through the American Red Cross and clinics in Florida. After time in advertising sales with AT&T, a connection to a water safety products customer pulled her back into the attractions world, and later joined the Mobaro team in 2021. Mobaro is a digital platform that connects teams like safety, maintenance, and operations in one system, replacing paper processes with real-time visibility into daily tasks and performance insights. In this interview, Marah talks about life’s twists and turns, listening and empathy, and women in leadership. Life’s twists and turns “Life had a different turn for me and I didn't end up getting a job in hospitality in St. Thomas. I actually went and veered off with American Red Cross doing HIV prevention.” Marah’s story is a reminder that career paths in attractions are rarely linear. She shares how early experiences in safety and operations shaped her foundation, but it was the unexpected pivot into public health that stretched her perspective. That chapter was not a detour in hindsight, it became part of the skill set she brought back into business and leadership. She also emphasizes how relationships and reputation can quietly shape your future. Doing good work, staying connected, and being curious led to multiple “full circle” moments, including her return to the industry and later her move to Mobaro after being remembered from a brief conversation at AIMS. Listening & empathy “What I learned and the importance of that sort of work is the importance of listening and having empathy.” Marah frames listening and empathy as practical leadership behaviors, not soft skills. She explains that people can tell immediately when you are not engaged, and that real listening starts with presence, curiosity, and genuine interest in someone’s story. That mindset helps leaders learn faster, build trust, and spot what teams actually need. She connects this directly to sales, too. In her view, sales is not about pushing a product, it’s about understanding what someone is trying to achieve and helping them get there. Whether the goal is safety, professionalism, or efficiency, the best outcomes come from asking good questions, paying attention, and meeting people on their timing, not yours. Women in leadership “We really enjoy having a night we can come together and celebrate our successes and try to support each other.” Marah shares how she has leaned into advocacy through IAAPA’s Women in Leadership Task Force and a growing network of women across amusement parks and attractions. She highlights momentum like expanding educational programming, increasing engagement, and creating more spaces where women can connect, learn, and be seen. Her advice to aspiring leaders is straightforward: get involved earlier than you think you should, believe in yourself, talk to people at every level, and remember that everyone is human. She sees the attractions industry as uniquely approachable, and she encourages women to use that openness to build relationships, confidence, and leadership opportunities.   If you want to connect with Marah directly, she recommends connecting on LinkedIn. You can also learn more about Mobaro at mobaro.com, and you can reach her by email at mr@mobaro.com. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   What’s your guest experience strategy?  You probably have a marketing strategy, recruitment strategy, and sales strategy, but what about intentionally turning first-time visitors into loyal advocates?  Liebman Leisure Group helps attractions do exactly that.  From creating a culture of “wow” moments to empowering staff to recover from service failures, great experiences don’t happen by accident. To schedule a consultation call, visit www.liebmanleisure.com/attractionpros.  Don’t leave your guest experience to chance.  You should be known for creating memorable experiences… on purpose. David Contreras is the COO of Pistil Consortia. A technical architect by trade, he has practiced architecture since 2006 and is licensed in multiple states and countries, with experience spanning healthcare, hospitality, restaurants, and commercial work. Pistil launched during the height of the pandemic with his wife as majority owner, then grew quickly by earning trust as a startup and specializing in spaces built for fun, leisure, and performance. In this interview, David talks about architecture for entertainment, balancing fantasy and reality, and developing leaders. Architecture for entertainment “It’s like you’re designing fun.” David explains that entertainment design starts with psychology and first impressions, not just drawings. He describes how teams must consider the guest journey from arrival to check-in to how families decide what to do next, while also accounting for safety, accessibility, and operational logistics. He also shares how his healthcare background shaped his approach, since both worlds require precision around equipment, clearances, and flow, but entertainment adds the challenge of building anticipation through what guests see, hear, and feel. Balancing fantasy and reality “You do want it to be the best space that you can possibly create, but you also have the real parameters of budget constraints and money is finite.” David breaks down how “whimsy and wonder” must fit inside real constraints like budget, ceiling height, existing structure, sprinkler lines, ductwork, and the ROI math of square footage. He describes designing with a “kit of parts” mindset, weighing attraction footprints, safety clearances, party room revenue versus dead zones, and food offerings that won’t trigger expensive kitchen requirements. The goal is to place dollars where they have the biggest impact on the experience, especially the arrival moment and the areas guests see most. Developing leaders “The more that I develop leaders, I feel like the better off we are as a group, as a company.” David shares how his leadership approach evolved from highly hands-on mentoring to more delegation as the firm grew. He wants emerging architects to learn by doing, make mistakes, and build decision-making tools they can own. He also frames leadership as guiding clients through an uncertain process, building confidence, and shepherding stakeholders through complex choices that affect operations, cost, and the long-term success of the venue.   To learn more about the company, David recommends visiting the Pistil Consortia website, connecting on LinkedIn, or emailing him directly at david@pistilconsortia.com. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Leading a team can feel like a roller coaster. From big climbs and sudden drops, there are moments where you wonder why you got on the ride in the first place. Matt Heller, Founder of Performance Optimist Consulting helps leaders and teams stay focused and performing at their best. Through engaging keynotes, hands-on workshops, and practical coaching, we turn fear into confidence and discomfort into momentum. This means fewer breakdowns and more breakthroughs. If your organization is ready to start building real forward motion, it’s time to take action and make better performance and growth your main attraction. Visit performanceoptimist.com/attractionpros for an exclusive offer! Mark Rosenzweig is the Principal and Chief Business Officer of 3dxScenic. After getting his start in park operations and park services at Michigan’s Adventure, Mark moved into sales and marketing roles at Zamperla and Ride Entertainment, including leading the SkyCoaster division. In 2020, he joined 3dxScenic in the Cincinnati area, and in December 2023 he became co-owner alongside longtime team member Matt Waldenmeyer. Today, 3dxScenic designs and fabricates themed environments, signage, facades, parade floats, and iconic photo-op pieces for parks and attractions. In this interview, Mark talks about integrity, transparency, and collaboration, stirring imagination, and being an operations nerd. Integrity, transparency, and collaboration “We have three pillars that we believe 150% in. Those are collaboration, integrity, and transparency.” Mark frames these as more than values on a wall. They shape how 3dxScenic sells, scopes, schedules, and delivers work. He explains that integrity and transparency mean being upfront about what’s possible, what will be subcontracted, and what the realistic timeline and bandwidth look like, with a focus on avoiding surprises. Collaboration is the lever that makes the work better, whether it’s aligning early on how a piece will live in the environment, or leaning on operators and mid-level leaders who will ultimately execute the day-to-day. He also emphasizes these pillars internally. From how ownership communicates with team members to how departments coordinate workflow, he sees consistency between culture and output as a requirement for sustainable growth and repeat partnerships. Stirring imagination “It’s not always easy to sell abstract decor to someone that, say, is in finance.” Mark describes scenic work as an abstract product that often requires helping clients visualize ROI differently. A sculpture may not directly sell tickets, but it can become an iconic, repeatable photo moment that drives sharing, tradition, and brand memory. He points to examples like oversized entry pieces and themed elements that communicate what a park experience feels like before a guest ever rides anything. He also walks through how ideas become reality, using projects like Holiday World’s Good Gravy as a case study in creative back-and-forth, story building, and delivering pieces that can even turn into merchandise. For Mark, the win is when theming supports the story, creates emotional connection, and provides both guest delight and practical marketing value. Being an operations nerd “I’m an operations nerd at heart.” Mark’s early-career curiosity shows up in how he talks about labor, workflow, and execution. He credits his time in park services, ride ops, and other frontline roles with giving him empathy for how systems actually run, and why it matters to learn by doing. That mindset carries into fabrication, where one late step can cascade into multiple downstream delays. The “ops nerd” lens also shows up in the company’s recent move into a new 30,000 square foot facility. Mark shares how they let departments help dictate the shop layout, aiming for smoother phase-to-phase movement, fewer bottlenecks, and better long-term scalability as they take on larger and more complex projects.   To learn more about 3dxScenic, visit 3dxscenic.com and find them on Facebook, Instagram, and LinkedIn. You can reach Mark directly at markr@3dxscenic.com.   This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Leading a team can feel like a roller coaster. From big climbs and sudden drops, there are moments where you wonder why you got on the ride in the first place. Matt Heller, Founder of Performance Optimist Consulting helps leaders and teams stay focused and performing at their best. Through engaging keynotes, hands-on workshops, and practical coaching, we turn fear into confidence and discomfort into momentum. This means fewer breakdowns and more breakthroughs. If your organization is ready to start building real forward motion, it’s time to take action and make better performance and growth your main attraction. Visit performanceoptimist.com/attractionpros for an exclusive offer! Speaking at conferences can feel intimidating, especially when you are trying to balance confidence, content, and stage presence all at once. To ease the nerves, it’s helpful to break it down into practical habits that make presenting feel more natural and more effective, from how you build your material to how you connect with the room in real time. In this episode, Matt and Josh talk about professional and public speaking tips for conferences and presentations. Start with the story, not the slides “Build your presentation in your head before you build your slide deck.” Josh explains that the clearest presentations start as a full talk you can deliver without visuals. When you lead with the message first, the slides become supporting cues instead of a script. That approach helps you avoid “death by PowerPoint” and keeps you in control of pacing, transitions, and energy. Edit for focus and learning goals “It’s editing in your mind that really needs to be in that presentation.” Matt emphasizes that a great presentation is often a smaller, sharper version of your first draft. Whether it is cutting extra content, trimming stories, or removing activities that do not connect back to the point, editing keeps the session aligned to what the audience is there to learn. They also highlight how conference submission learning goals can force useful clarity. Prepare and rehearse without sounding robotic “Prepare, prepare, rehearse, rehearse, but don't memorize.” Matt shares a rehearsal process that builds comfort through repetition while still leaving room to adapt in the moment. Josh adds that this flexibility improves the dynamic with the audience because you are not thrown off by a question or an unexpected turn. Make it a conversation with the room “I want this to be an interchange. I want this to be a conversation.” Both hosts push back on the idea of “giving a talk” as a one-way download of information. Josh advocates getting the audience talking early and often, which creates rhythm, raises energy, and removes the invisible barrier between stage and seats. Matt adds that it sets expectations that attendees will participate, not just sit back and watch. Use nerves as fuel and build confidence over time “Use your nervousness to your advantage.” Matt frames nervousness as energy you can harness, not a sign you are unqualified. One tactic he uses is talking to attendees as they enter so the session feels like it has already started. Josh reinforces that reps create confidence, and confidence becomes contagious once you step up to present. Create memorable a-ha moments and stay authentic “Stack as many a-ha moments as possible.” Josh explains how “spiky” anchor statements, supported by research and relatable examples, can spark light bulb moments that stick after the session ends. Matt adds that your style does not have to be high energy to be powerful. The goal is authenticity, whether you are animated or quiet and steady, and using humor only when it fits who you are. Keep it simple, plan for hiccups, and stay steady “Keep it simple and also have a backup plan.” Matt warns against overcomplicated decks and tech-heavy presentations that can fail in unfamiliar setups. Josh agrees and adds that problems will happen, from clickers to microphones, and the best move is to stay calm, adapt, and keep the room with you.   What are the best speaking lessons that have helped you feel more confident on stage? Keep the conversation going by sharing on social media or reaching out directly. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)  

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Leading a team can feel like a roller coaster—big climbs, sudden drops, and moments where you wonder why you got on the ride in the first place. Matt Heller, founder of Performance Optimist Consulting helps leaders and teams stay focused and performing at their best. Through engaging keynotes, hands-on workshops, and practical coaching, we turn fear into confidence and discomfort into momentum. This means fewer breakdowns and more breakthroughs. If your organization is ready to start building real forward motion, it’s time to take action and make better performance and growth your main attraction. Visit performanceoptimist.com/attractionpros for an exclusive offer! Melissa Lockwood is the General Manager of Baha Bay at Baha Mar Resort. Growing up in central Missouri, she got her start as a teenage lifeguard and worked her way into municipal parks and recreation leadership before taking a leap into international water park operations. That decision led her to open and operate major projects abroad, including seven years on Yas Island in Abu Dhabi, and then a move to Nassau in 2019 to help open Baha Bay, the 15-acre resort water park on the same property as Baha Mar’s Rosewood, Grand Hyatt, and SLS hotels. In this interview, Melissa talks about boots on the ground, being comfortable being uncomfortable, and operating a luxury waterpark. Boots on the ground “Be boots on the ground management by walking around, and just being able to interact with our guests as well.” Melissa’s leadership style is rooted in showing up where the work is happening, especially during peak periods. During the holiday rush, her routine centers on briefings, checking in with teams, and spending most of the day circulating throughout the park and resort pools. That presence is not performative. She wants team members to know she’s there to support them, and she wants to hear guest feedback directly, in real time, so improvements can be made faster. That mindset connects to her earliest days in the industry, when she did everything in a municipal setting, from cleaning restrooms to selling concessions. Those experiences shaped a servant leadership approach where she avoids asking anyone to do something she is not willing to do herself. For Melissa, morale and operational consistency are built in the trenches, side by side with the team. Being comfortable being uncomfortable “Sometimes, you've got to be comfortable being uncomfortable.” Melissa describes her career as a series of intentional stretches. Moving abroad “sight unseen,” navigating language barriers, and leading teams with wide-ranging backgrounds all required patience, humility, and a willingness to learn in public. Her takeaway is that discomfort is not a warning sign, it’s often a growth signal, especially for emerging leaders who are encountering challenges like upset guests, unfamiliar policies, or communication gaps for the first time. She coaches her team to keep perspective when situations feel hard. Her reminder is simple: it is temporary, and the comfort zone expands through repetition. She reframes growth as progress toward proficiency, not perfection. Over time, those once-intimidating moments become more natural, and she loves seeing team members make that shift and then turn around and train the next wave. Operating a luxury waterpark “We are a 15-acre luxury water park, which is a little bit of a tricky thing to piece together.” Baha Bay is both a resort amenity and a destination that sells day passes, which creates a unique operational balance. Melissa explains that “luxury” is not just a label, it’s reflected in design details like landscaping, finishings, and elevated cabanas that feel like permanent structures rather than temporary setups. The goal is alignment with Baha Mar’s broader brand promise as a high-end resort experience. Luxury also shows up in service expectations and consistency. Whether guests arrive from Rosewood, Grand Hyatt, SLS, a cruise ship, or an Airbnb, Melissa emphasizes that everyone deserves the same high-level experience. Her team uses shared core values across resort services to meet those expectations, and she reinforces the standard from onboarding forward. The challenge, as she puts it, is sustaining that grand-opening energy year after year, which she tackles through daily briefings, ongoing training, and recognition programs like the park’s Elevation Awards. Melissa invites listeners to connect with her on LinkedIn. To learn more about the water park and resort, visit bahabay.com and bahamar.com.   This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning. Leading a team can feel like a roller coaster—big climbs, sudden drops, and moments where you wonder why you got on the ride in the first place. Matt Heller, founder of Performance Optimist Consulting helps leaders and teams stay focused and performing at their best. Through engaging keynotes, hands-on workshops, and practical coaching, we turn fear into confidence and discomfort into momentum. This means fewer breakdowns and more breakthroughs. If your organization is ready to start building real forward motion, it’s time to take action and make better performance and growth your main attraction. Visit performanceoptimist.com/attractionpros for an exclusive offer! Mike Denninger is the Founder of Denninger Development. With more than three decades in the attractions industry, Mike’s career spans frontline operations, engineering, executive leadership, and global attraction development. He began at Cypress Gardens, rose through design and engineering roles at Busch Gardens and SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment, and ultimately led large-scale capital and attraction development initiatives across multiple parks worldwide. Today, his consulting work supports owners, operators, and suppliers navigating complex projects. In this interview, Mike talks about attraction development, leadership as an introvert, and project management. Attraction development “Attraction development: it’s the stuff that dreams are made of.” Mike frames attraction development as both a privilege and a responsibility. While the work is creative and inspiring, he emphasizes that it is still demanding, deadline-driven, and rooted in financial realities. From early concept and blue-sky ideation to design, fabrication, construction, and opening day, every attraction follows a disciplined process. He explains that even the most imaginative ideas must operate within scope, schedule, and budget, and that success often comes from making smart trade-offs without losing the heart of the experience. Drawing from decades of experience, Mike highlights that attraction development is rarely glamorous behind the scenes. Projects face technical challenges, shifting priorities, and intense pressure to meet fixed opening dates. Yet it is often within these constraints that the most innovative solutions emerge. For Mike, the balance of creativity, rigor, and perseverance defines what makes attraction development both challenging and deeply rewarding. Leadership as an introvert “Generally speaking, I’m an introvert.” Mike openly shares that he leads as an introvert, challenging the assumption that leadership requires constant visibility or dominating conversations. He explains that listening is a critical leadership skill, particularly at the executive level, and that speaking thoughtfully and intentionally often carries more weight than filling silence. His leadership philosophy centers on respect, treating people the way you would want to be treated, and creating space for others to contribute. He also offers reassurance to introverted professionals who may question whether leadership is for them. Mike stresses that organizations need all personality types and that effective leadership does not require seeking the spotlight. By focusing on what you know, speaking up when it truly matters, and trusting your perspective, introverted leaders can provide clarity, stability, and thoughtful decision-making in complex environments. Project management “A small project or big project, a project’s a project.” Mike describes project management as the connective tissue of attraction development. Regardless of size, every project demands structure, coordination, and accountability. He outlines a consistent development framework that applies to rides, retail, food and beverage, and infrastructure, noting that smaller projects can sometimes require more effort per dollar than major attractions. What matters most is disciplined execution and attention to detail. He also emphasizes the human side of project management. Successful projects depend on aligning diverse stakeholders, managing competing priorities, and making tough decisions when scope, schedule, and budget collide. For Mike, strong project management blends technical expertise with leadership, communication, and the ability to guide teams through uncertainty while keeping the end goal in sight.   Mike shared how to stay connected. He can be found on LinkedIn, and more information about his work is available at www.denningerdevelopment.com. He also welcomes direct outreach via email at mike@denningerdevelopment.com. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Every year, millions of attraction visitors lose hours in line instead of making memories. Since its inception, accesso’s virtual queuing has saved more than 4.5 billion minutes of wait time, freeing guests to pack their day with more rides, eats, and excitement. The result? Happier guests who spend more and a better bottom line for you. Ready to turn waits into wins? Visit accesso.com/ROIClinic. The queues are virtual. The results are real. Loren Barrows is the CEO of Alcorn McBride. With a business background that includes customer service, project management, and personal development training, she found her way into themed entertainment after moving to Florida and pursuing a company whose values matched her own. She shares how she joined Alcorn McBride, why the company engineers audio, video, and show control for reliability and uptime, and how its people-first philosophy is tied directly to long-term business success. In this interview, Loren talks about helping people become better, common sense, and hiring for culture. Helping people become better “While they’re there to help you with your business, you’re also there to help them with life.” Loren explains that many careers overemphasize the “what” of work and underinvest in the “how” of being human while doing it. She’s drawn to the skills that help people show up better day-to-day, like perspective, listening, and prioritizing what matters when life is happening around you. She also frames leadership as a two-way responsibility: businesses rely on people to run well, but leaders should also recognize the full person behind the job title. That mindset shaped her early work in personal development and continues to influence how she leads, coaches, and builds an environment where people can thrive professionally without ignoring real life. Common sense “The thing that I like the most about Steve and his philosophy when it comes to Alcorn McBride, is he does everything based on common sense.” Loren describes “common sense” at Alcorn McBride as removing unnecessary friction and trusting adults to do great work. Instead of burying people under rigid rules, she highlights a practical, human approach: if something goes wrong, fix it; if life happens, respond like a human, not a policy manual. That same thinking shows up in how the company supports customers: engineer for reliability, reduce downtime, and avoid avoidable complexity. The goal is simple: make the work easier for both the internal team and the people building guest-facing experiences, because stress doesn’t stay at work, it follows people home. Hiring for culture “We hire for culture fit.” Loren says protecting culture starts with who you bring into it. At Alcorn McBride, they’d rather hire for the “how” and train the “what,” then validate technical skills while making sure the person aligns with the team’s curiosity, care, and personality. She shares that their process is intentionally personal: candidates spend time with the broader team in relaxed settings, and the hiring team watches how someone reacts when the room inevitably turns playful. For Loren, culture fit is often revealed in those small human moments, not just in polished interview answers.   Loren can be reached at loren@alcorn.com. She also notes their team is open to conversations, mentorship, and connections, and encourages listeners to reach out to learn more about Alcorn McBride and the work they do. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Every year, millions of attraction visitors lose hours in line instead of making memories. Since its inception, accesso’s virtual queuing has saved more than 4.5 billion minutes of wait time, freeing guests to pack their day with more rides, eats, and excitement. The result? Happier guests who spend more and a better bottom line for you. Ready to turn waits into wins? Visit accesso.com/ROIClinic. The queues are virtual. The results are real. Clay Talley is the founder of CX Immersive. He shares how his career began in water parks, expanded through the Disney College Program as a Jungle Cruise skipper, and evolved into building and implementing cohesive guest experiences across immersive projects like The Void, Ballast VR, and more. Today, he supports operators and visionaries as an implementation specialist, bridging silos like marketing, operations, and revenue so the experience feels consistent from the website to the exit gate. In this interview, Clay talks about intentional world-class experiences, vision-first, and staff as sherpa. Intentional world-class experiences “I think world-class means intentionality. What are you intentionally creating for that guest?” Clay frames “world-class” as doing things on purpose, not by accident. He explains how teams can unintentionally become reactionary, building policies around one-off situations, and how that mindset can waste effort and muddy the experience. His goal is to move organizations toward proactive design, where decisions are guided by what will reliably serve most guests, not edge cases. He also emphasizes that intentionality shows up in practical details. From simplifying ticket sales on mobile, to designing guest flow, to using elements like staffing placement and sensory cues, he sees “world-class” as repeatable, scalable, and aligned across touchpoints, while still supporting revenue, branding, and operations. Vision-first “Before I make any strategies or the plan we’re going to do, I want to understand where are they at, what do they want to do, and where is that delta?” Clay explains that a strong guest experience starts by clarifying what the organization is trying to create, then aligning people and processes around it. In his fractional CXO approach, he begins by learning the current state, understanding the desired future, and identifying the gap. He shadows leaders, observes the operation firsthand, reviews documentation, and pressure-tests the journey like a guest would, including the digital path to purchase. From there, he prioritizes low-hanging fruit that builds momentum and sustainability. The vision becomes the anchor, and the work becomes translating that vision into what guests and staff actually see, feel, and do each day, in ways that are realistic for the business to maintain. Staff as a sherpa “They’re the sherpa of the experience, where they’re climbing this mountain and they, you know, create this experience.” Clay describes a balancing act between technology and people. He wants technology to handle what guests can do on their own, freeing staff to focus on what only humans can do, especially solving problems and creating connections in key moments. In his view, the worst scenario is pushing guests into impersonal systems when they need help, while staff are stuck in roles that don’t allow them to truly guide the experience. The sherpa metaphor becomes a standard for frontline purpose. Staff are not just performing tasks; they’re guiding guests through the journey, noticing pinch points, stepping in with confidence, and making the experience feel cared for, consistent, and memorable.   Clay welcomes connection requests and DMs on LinkedIn, and you can email him at clay@CXimmersive.com. To learn more, connect with him on LinkedIn and follow CX Immersive through his outreach there. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Every year, millions of attraction visitors lose hours in line instead of making memories. Since its inception, accesso’s virtual queuing has saved more than 4.5 billion minutes of wait time, freeing guests to pack their day with more rides, eats, and excitement. The result? Happier guests who spend more and a better bottom line for you. Ready to turn waits into wins? Visit accesso.com/ROIClinic. The queues are virtual. The results are real. Josh Henderson is the CEO of Bonnet Springs Park in Lakeland, Florida. His career path spans the for-profit attractions world, starting as a lifeguard and expanding through roles across water parks and major operators like Six Flags and Great Wolf Lodge, along with leadership in privately funded public parks. Today, he leads a nonprofit natural attraction designed to deliver a high-quality experience without a gate fee, supported by donations and mission-driven revenue. In this interview, Josh talks about being a student of the industry, community dictating the business model, and emerging natural attractions. Being a student of the industry “I think being a student of the industry is starting out in one particular sect and then continuing to move on, and try and learn as much about each discipline as I can, really served me well and helped me grow in my career.” Josh frames his growth as a willingness to expand beyond his original lane. Early on, he was convinced aquatics was his forever path, but as his interests evolved, he leaned into learning disciplines he once avoided, such as food and beverage. That mindset now shows up in how he spends time in outlets, looks for new revenue opportunities, and stays curious about parts of the business he doesn’t claim to have mastered. He also shares how he learned by putting himself in rooms where he wasn’t the expert: “going into the uncomfortable situations where you're not the smartest person in the room, and and being humble enough to accept that.” Conferences, peer conversations, and surrounding himself with specialists became his playbook for continuous learning, especially in fast-changing areas like marketing. Community dictating the business model “We've allowed the community to dictate part of our business model.” Bonnet Springs Park wasn’t designed in a vacuum. The founders conducted focus groups and asked residents what they wanted most. One clear answer shaped a major revenue and experience driver: an event venue that could host hundreds, where people could choose their own caterer. That choice reflects a deeper clue about the park’s role: it’s meant to serve community needs, not just operator preferences. That same philosophy shows up operationally. Josh describes a difficult mindset shift from maximizing yield to creating shared opportunity, like bringing in authentic food trucks for festivals even when it hurts his margins: “when you're a community park and you're doing something for the betterment of the community, that means giving somebody else a chance to make a dollar as well.” In his view, the park succeeds when the community feels ownership, champions the mission, and participates in sustaining it. Emerging natural attractions “It barely existed when I got into it back in 2017.” Josh positions Bonnet Springs as part of a growing sector that blends nature, placemaking, and attractions-grade operations. He calls it something you almost have to see to understand: a free park that aims to deliver “a paid level experience for free,” with immaculate restrooms, interactive exhibits, and accessibility features like a free internal tram system so guests with mobility challenges can fully enjoy the property. He also links this sector’s growth to professionalization: daily inspections, strong documentation, and applying paid-attraction standards to a free environment because attendance and wear-and-tear are so intense. The opportunity, he suggests, is for leaders to think of the attractions world as an umbrella where “good business is good business,” and where creating “family experiences” can look different than building roller coasters while still delivering the emotional outcomes the industry is known for.   Josh shared that people can learn more at BonnetSpringsPark.com. He can also be found on LinkedIn or by email at josh@bonnetspringspark.com. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Every year, millions of attraction visitors lose hours in line instead of making memories. Since its inception, accesso’s virtual queuing has saved more than 4.5 billion minutes of wait time, freeing guests to pack their day with more rides, eats, and excitement. The result? Happier guests who spend more and a better bottom line for you. Ready to turn waits into wins? Visit accesso.com/ROIClinic. The queues are virtual. The results are real. Matt and Josh kick off their ninth annual “Resolutionary” episode with a familiar challenge in the attractions industry: it is easy to set big intentions for the year ahead, but it is harder to stay accountable and actually follow through. They address that by reviewing last year’s goals with honest grading, then setting fresh, practical priorities for 2026, anchored in community, intention, and continuous improvement. In this episode, Matt and Josh talk about their annual “Resolutionary” tradition, reflecting on 2025 and setting personal, professional, and industry-wide focus areas for 2026. Resolutionary as accountability, not perfection “While it’s sort of a loose resolutionary process, there is some accountability in there.” Matt frames the episode as a look back and a look forward, without pretending these are rigid, all-or-nothing resolutions. Josh reinforces the point that saying it out loud matters because it creates real follow-through. “The fact that it is recorded, broadcast, and immortalized into the podcast ether creates that accountability on us.” The result is a tradition built on reflection, transparency, and a push to be more intentional year over year. Reviewing 2025 with candor “I would give myself a D on that if I was going to give myself a letter grade.” Instead of glossing over what did not happen, Matt shares where he fell short, including his goal to write more, and explains how his creative energy flowed into other outlets. He also celebrates wins like bringing back mastermind programs and expanding leadership-focused initiatives, including what grew out of their IAAPA experiences. Josh shares major momentum in his consulting model, emphasizing sustained client engagement and outcomes over one-off workshops. He also checks off key milestones like launching his online course, Service Recovery Hero, and exhibiting at IAAPA Expo. Advocate and collaborate, and getting more voices on stage “It’s two words: advocate and collaborate.” Matt’s 2026 theme centers on helping more people get connected, get involved, and grow their confidence, especially through speaking opportunities. He makes it explicit: “My goal in 2026 is to get more and new people speaking at IAAPA so that we can hear those new voices and new perspectives.” Josh expands on the momentum that collaboration creates, comparing it to a flywheel that is hard to start but easier to sustain once it is moving. “The momentum builds upon itself.” Together, they position community-building as both a leadership responsibility and a practical growth strategy for the industry. Process before scale, and building the next book “I’ve created a buffer step between growth and scale, and that is process.” Josh shares that growth has revealed a tipping point: without stronger internal systems, expansion could create friction instead of results. By gathering feedback from clients using his favorite experiential questions, he identifies what is working and what could improve, then commits to tightening operations to make outcomes more consistent. He also sets a creative goal connected to his book journey, developing the framework for his next book. Matt validates the importance of structure before execution, emphasizing that a strong framework makes the writing process possible. Identity, habits, and a personal resolution “As of January 2026, I am a world-renowned pianist.” Josh takes a left turn into identity-based habit building, inspired by prior conversations and the idea that identity drives behavior. He talks through making the piano easy to access so practice becomes natural, not a chore. Matt, as a musician, backs that up with a simple truth: if setup is hard, it will not happen. They also connect learning to teaching and family, with Josh noting the value of teaching to deepen mastery. Industry resolutions: basics, breaking silos, recovery tools, and people first “Do the basics really well.” Josh offers three industry-focused resolutions: nail fundamentals before chasing wow moments, remember that guest experience is everyone’s job, and proactively define a service recovery toolbox so teams do not default to escalation. Matt adds a human-centered reminder that ties everything together: “Don’t forget about your people.” He argues that with all the technology and innovation available, it is still employees who make the business run, now and forever. If anybody has any resolutions or things that they’re focusing on, we want to hear them! Share your goals on social media and tag them so we can reshare and help keep the accountability alive. 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Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Every year, millions of attraction visitors lose hours in line instead of making memories. Since its inception, accesso’s virtual queuing has saved more than 4.5 billion minutes of wait time, freeing guests to pack their day with more rides, eats, and excitement. The result? Happier guests who spend more and a better bottom line for you. Ready to turn waits into wins? Visit accesso.com/ROIClinic. The queues are virtual. The results are real. Case Lawrence is the founder of CircusTrix. After helping shape the trampoline park category through early growth and major consolidation, he helped unify CircusTrix, Sky Zone, and Rockin’ Jump under the Sky Zone brand, navigating adversity including COVID and the long work of integration. He later stepped away from day-to-day leadership and brought his hard-won lessons into the classroom, teaching entrepreneurship at the BYU Marriott School of Business, which also helped him translate years of stories into principles for new experience builders. Case’s new book, Off the Ground, chronicles his journey in entrepreneurship and the trampoline park industry. In this interview, Case talks about the power of relationships, joy-based entrepreneurship, and influencer-based experiences The power of relationships “One of the key things I learned is the power of relationships.” Case frames Sky Zone’s evolution as proof that big outcomes are rarely just the result of strategy on paper. He points to the trust between Jeff and Rick Platt, along with himself, as the glue that held a shared vision together through adversity, saying the three leaders “became partners in every true sense of the word” and stayed unified when outside forces could have splintered the effort. He also pulls the lens closer to the human side of deals, noting that founders bring emotion, identity, and fear into negotiations. “To really get a complicated deal done, especially these big mergers, you’ve got to delve into the human side.” For him, the win is not only the transaction, but building enough credibility and empathy that everyone can cross the finish line feeling respected and secure. Joy-based entrepreneurship “Most discretionary dollars now are in search of experience. They’re in search of joy.” Case explains that entrepreneurship education has long centered on solving pain, but entertainment and attractions thrive on creating something people choose because it elevates their day. He argues we’re entering a moment where the market is hungry for “heightened experience,” and that demands a new set of tools for identifying and building ideas rooted in delight, not frustration. He connects this to how experiences are becoming more accessible to create, pointing to trampoline parks as a breakthrough that proved you can deliver “outlier, non-everyday experiences with limited capital.” That shift unleashes imagination, invites more founders into the space, and sets the stage for the next wave of innovation, especially as tech-enabled experiences expand what’s possible. Influencer-based experiences “Look to YouTube, look to the influencers, look what the young people are watching on TV now.” Case predicts that what audiences binge online will increasingly become what they demand in-person. He describes influencers as experience designers in public, building appetite through episodic “wild experiences” that viewers will soon want to participate in, not just watch. In his words, “the merging of influencer culture with FEC attractions is going to be big.” He also highlights the operational artistry required to translate entertainment into something guests can actually do. Using Ninja Warrior as an example, he notes that the job is to make it feel authentic while adjusting it for real people: “allow them to feel like they’re participating in this authentically, but dumb it down, ease it down in a way that they can participate in it… and make them feel like a Ninja Warrior.”   Case says Off the Ground is available for pre-order now on Amazon, and will be publicly available on January 20th, 2026. You can also learn more about Case at caselawrence.com. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Every year, millions of attraction visitors lose hours in line instead of making memories. Since its inception, accesso’s virtual queuing has saved more than 4.5 billion minutes of wait time, freeing guests to pack their day with more rides, eats, and excitement. The result? Happier guests who spend more and a better bottom line for you. Ready to turn waits into wins? Visit accesso.com/ROIClinic. The queues are virtual. The results are real. Kim Welch is the founder of Welcome Hub. After growing up as an attractions fan, she started at Enchanted Forest Water Safari, learning front gate ticketing, retail, food, and games. She later moved to Orlando, spent years in entertainment at Universal Orlando, then shifted into IT and digital ticketing, becoming a subject matter expert working with marketing and operations. Roles at Universal, Gateway Ticketing Systems, and SSA Group led her to launch Welcome Hub to reimagine how tickets are delivered. In this interview, Kim talks about making digital ticketing better, tickets as a pre-show, and creating unboxing moments. Making digital ticketing better “That's what making it better is all about, is how do we take some of these burdens off of our guests and give them the options they need to make their visit even easier…” For Kim, “better” means removing friction for both guests and teams. She recalls buying tickets at a kiosk, then photographing each printed ticket just to share them with her family because there was no flexible digital option. When guests must invent workarounds like this, the system is failing them. Behind the scenes, she notes, teams juggle separate setups for PDFs, Apple Wallet, Google Wallet, and event tickets, often updating the same content in multiple places. This complexity pushes organizations to scale back branded content even though that weakens the experience. Kim’s answer is a unified delivery layer like Welcome Hub that pulls ticket data via APIs and centralizes links, wallets, and messaging so information stays accurate and guest-friendly. Tickets as a pre-show “Coming from entertainment, I have a bit of a flair for the dramatic theatrical. So I always think of the tickets as the pre-show.” Drawing on her entertainment background, Kim argues that tickets should be treated as part of the show, not just a barcode. Just as a pre-show sets story and context, ticket communications can orient guests, answer key questions, and build anticipation long before arrival. She points out that operators invest heavily in onboarding staff, yet rarely design equally thoughtful onboarding for guests. Kim suggests enhancing confirmation emails and ticket pages with brand voice, clear “need-to-know” information, and links that adapt over time. Simple improvements, like structured data that lets email platforms surface trip details, can help guests find what they need quickly. Even small, incremental changes can transform ticketing from a dry transaction into a stage-setting moment. Creating unboxing moments “Why aren't we doing this for attractions that spend multi-millions of dollars on beautiful themed physical spaces? They don't have these other tangible moments pre-visit.” Kim believes attractions are overlooking powerful “unboxing” opportunities. Guests might spend thousands of dollars on a vacation yet receive nothing more than a plain confirmation email or generic ticket. She compares this to retailers and credit card brands that design packaging specifically to be unboxed and shared. She imagines destinations sending pre-visit kits or postcards that tease dining, merchandise, and stories, paired with digital content and QR codes. These touchpoints help guests visualize their spend, plan their visit, and feel excited well before they arrive. Kim also notes that when attractions do not create these moments, influencers and third parties fill the gap with messaging that may not align with the brand.   Kim can be reached via email at Kim@welcomehub.org, and more information about her work and Welcome Hub can be found at welcomehub.org, where she shares a manifesto on guest-centric ticketing. She is also active on LinkedIn, and encourages industry professionals to connect, share ideas, and explore small, incremental steps that make digital ticketing and pre-visit engagement better for both guests and operators. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Every year, millions of attraction visitors lose hours in line instead of making memories. Since its inception, accesso’s virtual queuing has saved more than 4.5 billion minutes of wait time, freeing guests to pack their day with more rides, eats, and excitement. The result? Happier guests who spend more and a better bottom line for you. Ready to turn waits into wins? Visit accesso.com/ROIClinic. The queues are virtual. The results are real. Michael Acevedo is the Business Development Manager for Nassal. Growing up in Orlando, Michael turned a summer job at Universal Orlando into a two decade career that has spanned ride operations, tech services, engineering, Universal Creative, Walt Disney Imagineering, and now themed construction and fabrication. He has worked on projects such as Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey, Transformers, the Fantasyland expansion, Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance, and Star Wars: Galactic Starcruiser, before moving into project management and business development at Nassal and its design build brand, nFusion. In this interview, Michael talks about reliability & guest experience, being yourself, full circle career moments. Reliability & Guest Experience “Every minute of downtime on this one attraction impacts the guest experience so much more than even 10 minutes of downtime at this other attraction.” Michael explains how his time in tech services engineering at Universal revealed the tight bond between reliability and guest satisfaction. By combining uptime data with daily guest ratings and information on which rides guests could or could not experience, his team could see which attractions caused the biggest drop in satisfaction when they went down and prioritize problem sensors and components accordingly. This moves reliability from a back of house statistic to a strategic lever, guiding where to invest time and resources so that technical decisions protect the most emotionally important moments in the visit. Being Yourself “So the most important piece of advice I would give people is just be yourself.” Looking back, Michael admits he spent years trying to match an imagined standard of who he should be at companies like Universal and Disney. Over time, he noticed that promotions, project invitations and leadership responsibilities tended to appear when he was showing up as his authentic self. In an industry that needs everyone from artists and engineers to plumbers, accountants and ticket sellers, he argues there is no single template for success. Bringing your real background, culture and personality into the work, and remembering that you are also a consumer of these experiences, is part of what makes you valuable. Full circle career moments “I don't know if I'll ever be able to top that moment, standing there with people who I looked up to, that I was right alongside them.” Michael recalls a defining full circle moment on Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance. After years of development, he stood at the exit on opening morning at Disney’s Hollywood Studios and watched guests step off the attraction in disbelief, some in tears, thanking the team for making their Star Wars dreams real. He links that experience to seeing creative leader Scott Trowbridge at Universal years earlier and wondering what it would be like to work with him, then later sitting together as peers on Galaxy’s Edge. Through mentoring students, hosting shop tours and sharing his story, Michael hopes to help others create their own full circle career moments.   Michael encourages listeners who want to learn more about Nassal to visit nassal.com, where they can explore the company’s portfolio of themed projects and capabilities. He also invites anyone seeking career advice or interested in working with Nassal to connect with him directly on LinkedIn. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Every year, millions of attraction visitors lose hours in line instead of making memories. Since its inception, accesso’s virtual queuing has saved more than 4.5 billion minutes of wait time, freeing guests to pack their day with more rides, eats, and excitement. The result? Happier guests who spend more and a better bottom line for you. Ready to turn waits into wins? Visit accesso.com/ROIClinic. The queues are virtual. The results are real. IAAPA Expo is often described as the “most wonderful time of the year” for attractions professionals, but it can also be overwhelming: long days, packed schedules, and endless conversations. By unpacking the expo, Matt and Josh share how they turned the week into a soul-filling, business-building experience through people, intentional design, and investing in the next generation. In this episode, Matt and Josh talk about how to turn IAAPA Expo into the most meaningful and memorable week of your professional year. People, Meetups, and Becoming the “Elder Statesman” “This was such a huge ‘people’ experience for me.” Matt’s first big takeaway is simple: people. From the AttractionPros Meetup until leaving Epic Universe on Thursday night, he was in constant conversation, reconnecting with long-time colleagues, and supporting first-time speakers. Matt also talks about his evolving role as a kind of “elder statesman,” helping newer professionals, making the event as much about lifting others up as about his own experience. Booths as Mini Attractions “An expo booth should operate like a mini attraction.” Josh shared how he treated his exhibit booth as a mini attraction. With two interns, they focused on fundamentals of guest service. Details mattered: enhanced carpet padding that felt like “walking on a cloud,” comfortable lounge-style furniture, and a coffee station with branded cups and carefully placed lids so the logo was always visible. Inclusion Beyond Accessibility “Inclusion is not the same as accessibility.” Matt highlights a powerful session on inclusion led by Sharon Newhardt and Enzo Piscopo of Morgan’s Wonderland. Enzo, presenting from a wheelchair on a stage accessible by a newly installed lift, shared how physical accessibility does not automatically equal inclusion. He explained that while ramps and designated seating may check compliance boxes, they can still leave guests and employees feeling excluded such as never being able to choose a seat behind home plate or in a dream location at a ballpark. When IAAPA Expo Really Is a Family Reunion “You never know who you’re related to at the Expo.” Josh shares a story that turns the “family reunion” metaphor into reality. In the middle of a packed Tuesday, he receives a text from his mom: “We have a cousin exhibiting at IAAPA.” The next day, Josh finally met his second cousin once removed — someone who has been in the industry longer than he has, working on the chemistry behind skin for animatronics. They realize they’ve likely been in the same building at the same time for years without knowing it. Quick Hits: Energy, Words, Appreciation, Rest, and Instagrammable Workplaces “Sleep and rest are not the same thing.” Matt runs through a series of “quick hits” that left a mark on him. From the Women in the Industry Luncheon, he shares Lauren Hodges’s concept of managing energy, not just time, reframing mindset language, demonstrating a deeper sense of appreciation, and differentiating sleep from rest. Finally, seeing IAAPA staff proudly taking selfies in their own event space prompts the question: is your workplace Instagrammable for your team? The Intangible Value of IAAPA “The overall value of IAAPA Expo is intangible and sometimes is not even realized until much later in the future.” While you can quantify tickets, sessions, and receptions, the real value of the week for Josh’s interns came from introductions, mentorship, and compounding opportunities. Josh intentionally introduced them to every person who came to the booth, encouraged them to talk about their own career goals, and encouraged them to attend separately-ticketed events. By midweek, they had lost count of how many executives they’d met. While organizations often focus on hard ROI, it is the personal growth, expanded networks, and renewed passion that attendees bring back are equally valuable, even if they’re harder to measure.   What were your biggest takeaways from IAAPA Expo? How are you turning your booth, sessions, or workplace into memorable experiences? What are you doing to make your operation more inclusive, people-centric, and soul-filling? 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Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Every year, millions of attraction visitors lose hours in line instead of making memories. Since its inception, accesso’s virtual queuing has saved more than 4.5 billion minutes of wait time, freeing guests to pack their day with more rides, eats, and excitement. The result? Happier guests who spend more and a better bottom line for you. Ready to turn waits into wins? Visit accesso.com/ROIClinic. The queues are virtual. The results are real. Salma Abassaly is the co-founder and managing partner of CERTIS LLC. Born and raised in Paris, she moved to the United Arab Emirates in 2007 and built a career that spanned luxury hospitality, corporate services, managing children’s play areas, and leading leisure facilities before becoming an entrepreneur. CERTIS LLC is a UAE-based inspection and certification body that serves rides, attractions, and leisure facilities, pairing technical rigor with real-world operational insight. In this interview, Salma talks about inspections and certifications, relationship capital, and normalizing diversity. Inspections and certifications “We work with leading operators regionally and we ensure their rides meet international standards and we offer them an end-to-end approach from concept design to installation inspection as well as their ongoing operational audits and inspection.” Salma explains that CERTIS LLC provides an end-to-end approach, from concept and installation inspections through ongoing operational audits and periodic inspections. Her own operator background means she “speaks the language of the operators,” helping clients see an inspection body not as a cost or constraint but as an ally that aligns perception and reality through standards. She and her partner, Fadi, intentionally balance operational fluency and technical rigor so there is “no gap” when addressing client concerns. She also emphasizes credibility as foundational. Accreditation was the stamp that allowed CERTIS LLC to demonstrate quality, reliability, and transparency from day one, opening doors with regional leaders and setting a bar the company intends to uphold as it grows across the region and into emerging markets. Relationship capital “I think the transaction is the ultimate accomplishment of the relationship through the company, but before that, there's the relationship.” Relationships are not just a tactic for Salma; they are a metric of success. She prioritizes availability, consistency, and nurturing human connections beyond business, noting that trust built early makes hard conversations possible when inspections surface issues clients would rather not hear. To protect the partnership at the heart of CERTIS LLC, she and Fadi even engaged in proactive relationship coaching at the company’s founding to set ground rules for how they would show up, disagree, and decide together. That investment sustains a culture of collaboration with each other and with clients, where long-term partnership matters as much as revenue. Salma adds that surrounding yourself with people who are “smarter than you” elevates outcomes and turns competition into collaboration. Growth, she says, is rarely linear; persistence, shared purpose, and strong partners win over time. Normalizing diversity “The goal is not really to highlight gender, but more to normalize diversity.” Reflecting on often being one of few women in boardrooms, Salma argues that representation fuels aspiration and that women’s leadership brings emotional intelligence, resilience, and collaboration that benefit teams and guests alike. Her advice to women entering the industry is to lead as their authentic selves, not by copying stereotypically male behaviors. She hopes her daughter’s generation won’t even need to notice whether there are two women in a meeting, because diversity will simply be normal. Salma also shares her experience of the UAE as dynamic, opportunity-rich, and safe, with visible commitment to entrepreneurship and women in leadership. That environment, she says, has enabled her to turn vision into reality and to scale with clarity of purpose.   To connect with Salma directly, reach out to her on LinkedIn, and to learn more about the company, visit the CERTIS LLC website. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Every year, millions of attraction visitors lose hours in line instead of making memories. Since its inception, accesso’s virtual queuing has saved more than 4.5 billion minutes of wait time, freeing guests to pack their day with more rides, eats, and excitement. The result? Happier guests who spend more and a better bottom line for you. Ready to turn waits into wins? Visit accesso.com/ROIClinic. The queues are virtual. The results are real. Tyler Rizzo is the Vice President of Finance at COTALAND. Growing up in Central Florida, he got his start in attractions at Busch Gardens Tampa, then earned a hospitality management degree at UCF’s Rosen College before moving from front-of-house operations into analytics at SeaWorld, revenue analytics at Cedar Fair, and leadership roles spanning analytics and food and beverage. He later consulted at Storyland Studios on pre-concept through opening projects. Today, he’s helping launch COTALAND in Austin, a dense 30-acre park with about 30 rides built alongside Circuit of the Americas, home to the F1 United States Grand Prix. In this interview, Tyler talks about bridging finance and operations, not chasing expensive pennies, and avoiding the doom spiral. Bridging finance and operations “I’ve kind of always treated it like an improv group; you never say no.” Tyler explains that finance succeeds when it partners with operators rather than policing them. He emphasizes open lines of communication, involving department heads in decisions, and never blindsiding colleagues with a spreadsheet they’ve never seen. He also stresses getting into the field, noting how proximity to the park at SeaWorld helped finance teams “walk the walk,” hear guests on rides, and translate spreadsheet cells into real experiences. That frontline credibility matters. Having carried a radio and worked the fryer, he says operators trust guidance from someone who has lived their constraints. Seasonality, hours of operation, and the realities of running rides and restaurants don’t always show up in a model. By pairing operational tacit knowledge with analytics, Tyler builds plans that are both tight on paper and resilient in practice. Not chasing expensive pennies “I’ve had multiple times throughout my career where we chased expensive pennies.” Tyler cautions against over-correcting for small losses without weighing the bigger picture. He uses examples like shrink in retail or food waste in fries: quantification is essential, but so is the cost-benefit analysis of fixes. If moving T-shirts indoors to cut theft chokes visibility and sales, or new security costs exceed the recovered margin, the “savings” are illusory. He extends this thinking to the industry’s top- versus bottom-line focus. Cutting hours or labor can protect a quarter, but erode perceived value and long-term revenue. He contrasts firms that invest in people and guest experience with those making knee-jerk reductions, arguing that sustainable performance comes from meeting or exceeding value expectations, not just trimming expense lines. Avoiding the doom spiral “The easy button is to absolutely reduce hours, reduce labor, those start to become expensive pennies though when you’re losing your core market.” When attendance dips, slashing staffing may seem prudent, but Tyler warns it can trigger a negative loop: thinner teams degrade service, which depresses visits further. His advice is to evaluate and realign the product’s value proposition to what guests expect in that market, then execute consistently over time rather than relying on short-term cuts. He notes this discipline is hardest when micro results are choppy, yet it’s precisely when conviction matters. Whether for a single FEC or a multi-park operator, recovery hinges on a clear multi-year plan rooted in core hospitality, supported by data, and adapted through continuous testing of operating models, pricing, and offerings without sacrificing the guest experience.   To learn more about COTALAND, visit cotaland.com. To reach Tyler directly, connect with him on LinkedIn. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Every year, millions of attraction visitors lose hours in line instead of making memories. Since its inception, accesso’s virtual queuing has saved more than 4.5 billion minutes of wait time, freeing guests to pack their day with more rides, eats, and excitement. The result? Happier guests who spend more and a better bottom line for you. Ready to turn waits into wins? Visit accesso.com/ROIClinic. The queues are virtual. The results are real. Evan Barnett is the President of Pyek Group. Starting in the industry at 16 cleaning restrooms at Water World USA, he was quickly thrust into leadership, moved from park services to water safety, and grew under strong mentors who sharpened his view of people-first operations. Today, Evan leads Pyek Group across four parks in three markets under two brands, focusing on culture, clarity of mission, and what he calls the “un-water park” mindset: hyper-clean facilities, great food, and genuine hospitality. In this interview, Evan talks about cold, hard leadership, being unoffendable, and doing the basics really well. Cold, hard leadership “It’s tough. It’s cold, hard leadership is really what it is. And it’s listening and understanding and just realizing, hey, give the other guy the benefit of the doubt.” Evan frames leadership as equal parts standards and empathy. Early in his career, he learned that perception is reality: a supervisor saw “slowness” while Evan was meticulously scrubbing grout with a toothbrush. That moment shaped how he equips teams by giving clear direction, the right tools, and assuming positive intent before judging outcomes. At Pyek Group, he translates this into over-communicating vision across varied brands and communities, aligning departments around a single mission so daily frictions become sparks that sharpen rather than burn. He also guards leaders’ attention from getting hijacked by edge cases. Rather than orbit the “loud 20%,” he pours recognition and coaching into the 80% who show up wanting to do great work, using high-fives, momentum building, and consistent standards. For Evan, culture is “caught, not taught,” spread through a thousand conversations and modeled behavior that make accountability feel fair and human. Being unoffendable “The one core value I really want to hone in on that we have is called unoffendable… be unoffendable, man.” Unoffendable is a Pyek Group core value, not an aspiration. Evan wants feedback to flow fast and candidly without venom and without weaponizing “brutal honesty.” In practice, that means seeking to understand before being understood, extending grace because everyone, including leaders, will need it back tomorrow. He links unoffendable behavior to hospitality itself: when a guest complains about cold food or long lines, defensive walls only distract from fixing the day. Empathy and grace let teams remediate quickly and leave people feeling cared for. Internally, the same posture fuels agility. Teams “fire themselves” metaphorically, stepping out to reset their mindset and reenter discussions ready to solve problems together. Evan emphasizes that core values must be binary and lived. You are kind, or you are not. You are unoffendable, or you are not. Keeping feedback direct but non-weaponized preserves trust, speeds pivots, and keeps focus on the guest experience over ego. Doing the basics really well “Just do the basics really well.” Borrowing a line he admires from Troy Aikman, Evan centers Pyek Group on mastery of fundamentals: smiling welcomes, clean spaces, good food, frictionless transactions, and consistent delivery day after day. He calls it “power in the mundane,” resetting every morning so the thousandth “Where are the lockers?” gets the same warm response as the first. That dependable baseline becomes a brand personality guests can feel, and it cannot be copied by simply duplicating slides or lazy rivers. Basics evolve, though. Orientation remains essential, but how teams learn must fit how they consume information today, using short, bite-sized training and tools they can use immediately on Day One. Evan is unafraid to reverse course when basics are misread. The lesson, letting fans tell you what matters and then amplifying it, keeps “basic” tightly aligned with real expectations. You can reach Evan at evan.barnett@pyekgroup.com, and learn more about Pyek Group at pyekgroup.com. This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)  

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Every year, millions of attraction visitors lose hours in line instead of making memories. Since its inception, accesso’s virtual queuing has saved more than 4.5 billion minutes of wait time, freeing guests to pack their day with more rides, eats, and excitement. The result? Happier guests who spend more and a better bottom line for you. Ready to turn waits into wins? Visit accesso.com/ROIClinic. The queues are virtual. The results are real. Nathan Caldwell is the Bestselling Author, Thought Leader, and Speaker of Empowering Kindness. A lifelong performer-turned-leadership coach, Nathan’s early career on stage taught him how guest-facing energy is created (and depleted) every shift. He later guided culture and leadership through multiple corporate acquisitions, evolving his research and writing into the book Empowering Kindness and the practice behind it. Empowering Kindness supports organizations with practical, science-backed frameworks that lift performance by building trust, clarity, and courage. In this interview, Nathan talks about Empowering Kindness, developing leaders, and beating the calendar. Empowering Kindness “Kindness takes strength, bravery, and wisdom to execute upon.” Nathan pushes kindness far beyond “being nice.” Drawing on research and lived experience, he frames kindness as a disciplined leadership choice: seeing others’ needs (empathy), stepping into the gap despite discomfort (bravery), and applying the right response at the right time (wisdom). He cites studies showing that environments rich in kindness elevate wellbeing and performance, arguing that people are literally built to respond to good. Leaders operationalize this by defining what kindness looks like in specific roles, training for it, and equipping teams to deliver it consistently—not hoping people will “just be kind.” Instead of the tired “compliment sandwich,” Nathan recommends an “Oreo” culture: clearly state what “good” and “excellent” look like, and call them out often. Doing so deposits trust so that hard feedback is welcomed rather than resisted. When leaders are known for recognizing excellence, coaching moments land as invitations to rejoin that standard, not as gotchas. The outcome is a reinforcing loop of clarity → recognition → trust → growth. Developing Leaders “They must be great at filling people up with energy.” Borrowing from his performer background, Nathan describes the “energy lifecycle” of guest-facing roles: guests draw energy all day; if leaders only pull, teams burn out. Great leaders replenish through coaching, recognition, and practical support. He also normalizes the loneliness of leadership and urges leaders to build peer networks, learn continuously (books, webinars, podcasts), and identify personal recharge rituals. The goal isn’t endless cheerleading; it’s deliberate energy management so people can show up strong for guests and each other. Nathan’s prescription is both organizational and personal. Organizations should create forums and rhythms where leaders learn together and hold one another accountable. Individually, leaders must notice depletion, own recovery, and return to the floor refueled. That self-awareness is a kindness to the team: a recharged leader is capable of the courageous conversations and steady presence that growth requires. Beating the Calendar “You have to beat the calendar. You have to win against the calendar. Intentionality is the only way to do it.” Seasonality and turnover can’t be excuses. Nathan warns against hoping people “pick up” experience during the busy months; that’s how issues get swept under the rug until they become trip hazards. Instead, map the precise competencies leaders need (e.g., handling difficult conversations), then schedule training, role-plays, and practice reps before peak season. Treat these as must-run plays, not nice-to-haves. When intentionality leads, teams meet higher guest expectations without burning out. His approach centers on earlier, braver, better-prepared conversations. Define likely scenarios, script first lines, practice aloud, and debrief. Pair this with the “Oreo” culture so accountability sits inside an environment saturated with examples of “what right looks like.” The payoff: fewer surprises, faster course-corrections, and a leadership bench that returns each season stronger than it left. In closing, Nathan invites listeners to connect directly: Email him at nathan@empoweringkindness.com, visit empoweringkindness.com, and find him on LinkedIn.   This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)

Looking for daily inspiration?  Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.   Every year, millions of attraction visitors lose hours in line instead of making memories. Since its inception, accesso’s virtual queuing has saved more than 4.5 billion minutes of wait time, freeing guests to pack their day with more rides, eats, and excitement. The result? Happier guests who spend more and a better bottom line for you. Ready to turn waits into wins? Visit accesso.com/ROIClinic. The queues are virtual. The results are real. Phil Royle is the Vice President of LEGOLAND Development and Operations at Merlin Entertainments. With nearly 25 years at Merlin, he’s grown from a 17-year-old ride operator at Chessington World of Adventures to opening Madame Tussauds Hollywood, leading guest experience at LEGOLAND Florida, and spearheading the development and launches of new LEGOLAND parks in New York, South Korea, and Shanghai. His career spans operations, development, community engagement, and global brand stewardship across 11 parks, multiple water parks, and themed hotels. In this interview, Phil Royle talks about being brick-centric, fantastical escapism, and teaching everything you can. Brick-centric “We have to make sure that everything we do centers around the brick. The brick is absolutely a core part of everything we do.” Phil explains that the LEGO brick is not just theming—it’s the operating system for the entire resort experience. Because LEGOLAND serves families with children ages two to twelve, attractions are intentionally designed as “pink-knuckle” firsts: first coaster rides, first driving school licenses, and first hands-on build zones. Accessibility and inclusion are embedded, from wheelchair access to widespread Certified Autism Center credentials across parks, aligning day-to-day operations with the brand’s “only the best is good enough” ethos. He describes a tight collaboration with the LEGO toy company, aligning new lands and attractions to upcoming toy lines so the parks bring IP like Monkey Kid to life in rides, hotels, and interactive spaces. Even hotel rooms extend the brick-first philosophy: families wake up inside immersive, character-rich environments and can step straight into building play, ensuring the brick is literally the first and last touchpoint of the day. Fantastical escapism “We want that fantastical escape to just say, ‘wow, I woke up at LEGOLAND.’” Phil explains that escapism is a design and operational mandate for both kids and parents. While queues and coasters provide the familiar structure of a theme park day, discovery and agency come from integrated build-and-play moments, such play areas inside queues, free-build buckets, guided vehicle-building challenges, and earthquake tables that turn trial-and-error into laughter and learning. Guests think they’re just racing cars or stacking towers; in reality, they’re encountering physics, structural engineering, and cause-and-effect through tangible, joyful play. He emphasizes that parents are part of the magic. Attractions and play spaces are planned so adults can ride, build, and celebrate alongside their kids, or comfortably supervise from thoughtfully designed lounges with clear sightlines (single-entry/exit play areas). Dining, shows, seasonal characters, and event overlays (from Brick or Treat through the holidays) complete a rhythm that lets families “forget the big wide world” for a day and live inside a story built from bricks and imagination. Teaching everything you can “You can only move on if you teach your team absolutely everything you can so that they can be successful on their own.” Phil frames leadership mobility and park scalability as outcomes of radical knowledge transfer. Opening multiple parks across continents required documenting processes, building successor capability, and ensuring local teams could operate confidently after handover. When knowledge is hoarded, questions bottleneck at the last team; when it’s centralized and shared, the next parks in the pipeline (Shanghai, Shenzhen, and beyond) can accelerate with fewer blockers. He also extends teaching beyond internal teams to partners, media, and communities, using proactive education to align global safety standards with local norms (as in South Korea), and cultivating networks where safety transcends competition. For Phil, mentoring, documentation, and cross-park/intake relationships are the real engines that let leaders “move on to the next project” without leaving gaps behind.   To connect with Phil directly, he recommends reaching out on LinkedIn. To learn more about the company and what’s new at the parks, visit the LEGOLAND website (including information on seasonal events and upcoming coasters and lands in California and Florida).   This podcast wouldn't be possible without the incredible work of our faaaaaantastic team:   Scheduling and correspondence by Kristen Karaliunas   To connect with AttractionPros: AttractionPros.com AttractionPros@gmail.com AttractionPros on Facebook AttractionPros on LinkedIn AttractionPros on Instagram AttractionPros on Twitter (X)