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Live On 4 Legs: Pearl Jam Podcast
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This Pearl Jam podcast revisits the best live shows in their 30+ year history. From breaking down every setlist to telling the stories from every era, we provide comprehensive insight into the history of one of the best live bands to ever do it. But most of all, we're here to preserve the memories from your favorite shows that you've attended.
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The Chronology Series takes us to the turn of the century as Pearl Jam hit the new millennium with a new album, Binaural. As the landscape of the music industry was changing and cater to a larger pop, hip hop and nu metal fan contingent, Pearl Jam decided to stray as far away from the mainstream as possible. Binaural didn't sound like a typical record of theirs, but the live shows and performances continued to get stronger and the fanbase was as dedicated as the previous decade. In this episode we dig into an early show from their European run in San Sebastian, Spain. This lighthearted show took place before the incident at Roskilde that changed everything for the band later that tour.
One of the big stories from 2000 was the release of an official bootleg for every show that was played, and we'll dig into that discussion to talk about the distribution in Javi's home country of Chile and how he came across this boot. This show has early seeds planted for the tour where they were still trying to figure out what to do with the new songs. We get a rare non-opener version of Of The Girl in this show, and Breakerfall is used in a spot before Rearviewmirror that hinders it's impact. But with structure changing, we'll also get to spotlight things like Last Exit and Hail, Hail opening up the first encore, and Smile played as the penultimate song of the night.
We'll also get into some hiccups that the band had during songs like Immortality and Alive and how miscues failed to phase them, and we'll discuss Pearl Jam's connection with The Doors and how it might not resonate as well as other band's they've taken influence from in that era. And find out which nu metal band Randy has a huge gripe with in this fun episode!
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As the 90's were nearing the end, so was Pearl Jam's time in the limelight. But if you asked them, it was exactly what they wanted. Without the pressure bestowed upon them in the previous years, in 1998, Pearl Jam released their fifth studio album Yield. The record was a collaborative effort with Stone and Jeff digging into more songwriting and it displayed growth and maturity compared to their four previous attempts. Along with a new album came a new tour, and as we saw with every year of the 90's, more major changes were implemented. The Ticketmaster boycott was halted in order to have an opportunity to play more venues and locations, and drummer Jack Irons left the band for mental health reasons, entering the mighty Matt Cameron into play.
This episode brings us to the second leg of the North American tour where things were started to heat up, and the shows became stuff of legends. After Cameron performed on an interim basis on the first leg, he was a full time member once August came around, and his impact on the sound and style was immeasurable. We'll spend a lot of time in the episode talking about how great a fit Matt was, and we'll get to hear some of his nasty fills on songs like Corduroy, Hail, Hail, Brain Of J, Better Man and more. A huge storyline in this show that we'll talk about is the return of Hard To Imagine after it's four year absence and how a moment like that led way to even bigger moments of bringing back rarities, such as Breath at MSG on the same tour.
We'll talk ad nauseum about Pearl Jam in this episode, but you'll have to indulge us first. Randy has a story to share from a recent Jason Isbell concert that most concert fans would be able to relate to.
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Pearl Jam found time after No Code to take a bit of a breather during 1997 to get out of the spotlight, recalibrate and record their next record Yield. The tours that had been utilized without the usage of Ticketmaster were put on pause for the year, but they found a way to get a couple shows in with the help of rock 'n' roll titans, The Rolling Stones. For four dates in November, Pearl Jam opened for the Stones in Oakland playing hour-long sets and showcasing some brand new songs from the Yield record.
This episode is a watch along episode, so if you planned just to listen, take a stroll over to our YouTube channel so you can watch us watch the entire show in full. This show was recently brought to light by band archivist, Kevin Schuss, on their social media Rearviewmirror lookback video series. He shares a story about how it was pouring rain on the third night of this run and how he ran out to a golf pro shop in order to grab some rain suits for the band to wear on stage. Even though they looked like a hip hop dance troop, the band puts on a great performance in the rain as the warm up for the Stones. There is an OTOTO opener that we'll get into at this show, and we'll talk about top flight versions of Hail, Hail, Corduroy, Brain Of J, Immortality and more.
We'll also get into a discussion about the Stones and why Pearl Jam and other popular bands of the era were opening for them on that tour, and how Yield set the band up for their writing process on future records.
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After three successful albums and becoming a world wide phenomenon, Pearl Jam entered 1996 ready to put out a new album and shift the dynamics of their song writing in a direction that perhaps the world wasn't ready for. To the wayside went some of the aggression and raw power that dominated Vitalogy opting for a more self reflective approach for No Code. The live shows were still without Ticketmaster, but continued to evolve, and this became the first year where we got to see marathon performances reaching nearly three hours and over 30 songs featured on the set. The 1996 representative for our Chronology Series is a show from Buffalo, New York that had everything you'd want from this era - flawless performances and an energized crowd.
We invite our good friend, Steve Bennett, back to the podcast this week to talk about this show being his first of nearly 100 that he's attended. And the stories here are can't miss. From failing to get tickets through an 800 number to dealing with brokers through the newspaper as a fifteen year old, it is the classic story of how far a high school student was willing to go in order to experience this band. And for it to be life changing once stepping inside the arena makes all the difference. This show marks the first non-VIP event in the building that's housed the Sabres for 30 years, and Pearl Jam would go on to play there three more times in following tours.
Steve's stories will dominate the conversation, but we'll also dig into the next step that this band took to develop a more mature sound in their music. We'll spend some time talking about how Present Tense marked massive changes for the band's mentality, and how even a song like Better Man was greatly improved upon since the following tour in 1995.
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Moving ahead in our series to Pearl Jam's highly regarded 1995 tour covering the first of two nights from Milwaukee's Summerfest. This year saw many changes for the band including a new drummer with Jack Irons, no Ticketmaster venues played or corporate sponsorships promoted and a change within their sound to fit what they were evolving into. This Milwaukee show comes at a time that was pretty controversial - it was the first show in two weeks since Ed was stricken with food poisoning at their Polo Fields show in San Francisco. The incident was seen as a turning point for the band that was dealing with their own internal struggles. It was either get on the same page as a team, or come to terms with the reality of a possible break up.
This show allows us to dig into some topics about what the band's future looked like and how they were about to overcome the challenges laid ahead for them. Three days after would be the famed Soldier Field show, so the turnaround in order to get on the same page happens quick. This show will deal with a little bit of ring rust, but after a speech where Ed addresses media spreading rumors about him and the band, the show is kicked into the gear that we love from 1995 performances. Not For You, Alive and Blood are the headlining moments, but the show stealer comes from a duo named Lightning And Thunder well known throughout the upper midwest for covering Neil Diamond songs. With the movie Song Sung Blue having recently come out featuring Hugh Jackman and Kate Hudson that chronicles their journey, a big part of it included this moment where they sang Forever In Blue Jeans with Ed in front of a crowd of 30,000.
We'll also dig into Ed's vocals at the time and how mentors of his encouraged him to limit his screaming in order to preserve longevity. We discuss whether it would've been wise to take advice from either Neil Young or Roger Daltrey, and perhaps share a baseball analogy along with it. As a matter of fact, there are many baseball analogies featured in this episode!
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The chronology takes us to 1994 in this episode during a time where there were no act in the world bigger than Pearl Jam... outside of maybe Ace Of Base. Coming off of the release of Vs., the band continued to struggle with their rising stardom. Tickets for their shows were in such high demand, yet the band wasn't quite ready to take on bigger venues to hold the capacity crowds that wanted to experience them. This episode focuses on a show from Miami where the capacity issues reach a boiling point and led to fences being broken down, fans rushing the stage and arrests being made. For an 8,000 seat venue, an alleged 24,000 got through to see the show. On top of that, the band was unhappy because the venue featured corporate sponsorship signs that they demanded be covered up.
It took the band an hour before they took the stage, which could have added to some of the commotion going on outside the gates, but when they started playing, you could sense a real anger and frustration in their tone. There's a moment where they needed to have a fan kicked out for being too dangerous in the pit. That emotion is what motivated them throughout the night as songs like Blood, Deep, Porch, Not For You and State Of Love And Trust brought intensity to what was already a tumultuous evening.
We'll also talk about the beginning of their battle against Ticketmaster service fees and how maybe our only hope in our current environment is... Kid Rock... kill me.
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The timeline moves ahead to 1993 this week, a massive year for Pearl Jam as their sophomore album Vs. was released with a ton of fanfare backing it. It can be argued that there's no year of this band's career where they were bigger. The record was a massive success, tickets to their shows became nearly impossible to attain, but as all of this was taking shape, the band was not comfortable with their role as the top artist in the world. Their focus was on writing, continuing to raise the bar for their live shows and as we see from this show in Mesa, Arizona, raising awareness for meaningful causes like protecting indigenous land Mt. Graham from (I kid you not) alien observation towers.
This show centers a little bit around preservation of Apache land, and we'll discuss how an incident with a crowd member is connected to that. But the moment that people are gonna remember the most from this show is that it marks the official live debut of Yellow Ledbetter. Having released it as a b-side a year prior, fans in the know began to gravitate towards it, and after some time had passed radio stations would put the song into heavy rotation. Being unlike the rest of the catalog at the time, Ledbetter stood out for it's moody Hendrix inspired guitar wailing from McCready and anthemic chorus build ups. We'll discuss whether or not the band had plans for this song to be incorporated into the rotation, or if it was the will of the fans that turned it into the end of show curtain call that it is today.
We'll also do a deep dive on the era and talk about the band's budding mentorship with Neil Young as well as massive performances of Once, Jeremy and... John Denver?
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For the first time in our nearly eight years of being a podcast, we are presenting you coverage of a full length episode entirely on our YouTube Channel! This week is week two of our episodic series following every Pearl Jam tour year in chronological order, which means we're covering one of the most important years in their history - 1992. After a year of playing small venues and opening up for the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pearl Jam's popularity was growing in 1992 mainly due to radio and music video networks playing Alive and Even Flow. But the band truly saw their fame escalate once their MTV Unplugged performance aired and the Jeremy music video hit rotation, the former of which happening two nights before this show in San Francisco.
We'll get into deep discussion over how good the band sounded this night and Ed's on stage mannerisms featuring clips from the entire show. We'll also talk about some discoveries made when listening to this bootleg, including a Paul Simon song that was tagged, and perhaps the first hint at Yellow Ledbetter live. Massive versions of Black, Porch, Alive, Once and all of the favorites from the Ten era will dominate the conversation as well, and we pay tribute to a man deeply connected with San Francisco who we lost this past week, Bob Weir of the Grateful Dead.
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It's a brand new year, and a brand new season of the podcast will feature a brand new series where each week we will cover every single Pearl Jam tour year in chronological order! The kick off starts here with 1991 as we cover a show that's only the second known bootleg from back when they were still billed as Mookie Blaylock at Florentine Gardens in Los Angeles. This was the beginning of their first tour - an 11-show west coast swing opening up for the surging Alice In Chains.
This show is like an artifact dug up from underground and showcased to a group of people interested in studying the past, but the bootleg for this show had been available in the 90s, yet not widely circulated. For a show that has the live debuts of Garden and Brother, and the only performance for 18 years of the latter, you would think that there would be interest from nerdy fans who wanted their hands on everything. Well, that was not the case. We invite Patrick and Brian from our Hallucinogenic Recipe podcast to talk about why this show wasn't as massed produced as it could have been. Was it due to audio quality? Was it due to popularity of shows in the mid-90s garnering more attention? They'll break down all of the reasons, and the reasons why it needs to be heard today.
As we'll do with every show during this series, we'll give a synopsis of the entire tour year and some statistical analysis of what went down. The episode is much longer than the actual show that clocks in at 40 minutes, but don't worry, because we get to tell the tale of our friend "taper dude" and how excited he was to witness the former Mother Love Bone in their new formation.
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Our final show for 2025 is the #1 Pearl Jam show of the year voted on by the listeners, and of course it can't be anything other than the tour closer in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Unbeknownst to us, this would be the final show of Matt Cameron's 27-year tenure in Pearl Jam, and although it wasn't announced until two months later, there are enough subtle hints in this show that are clearer from hindsight's perspective - the champagne toast, the hugs and even t-shirts worn by Mike and Jeff are some signals that you can tell the band knows what's going on. But there is also references to this show being the end of the Dark Matter run that only got one full calendar year of touring.
While Matt Cameron is the storyline that we didn't know at the time, it was his former Soundgarden bandmate, Chris Cornell, that was the major storyline heading into this show. May 18th this year was the anniversary of Cornell's death, something that the band has been hesitant to address at shows due to the nature of the subject. Going back to that date last year, there was a show in Vegas that did not reference him outside of a shirt that Cameron wore. After telling a story about him at Fenway Park last year and performing Hunger Strike in Australia, it seemed that the band was ready to pay tribute to the man they called a bandmate and brother. We'll talk about the first ever appearance of Comes Then Goes in a setlist, as well as Hunger Strike being played for the final time with Cameron.
Thank you for checking out this podcast all year! after 350 episodes, we can't wait to show you what's all in store for 2026!
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We're down to two episodes left on the year, and the show voted as the #2 Pearl Jam show of the year comes to you from their first night in Pittsburgh. It had been 12 years since they last appeared in the Steel City, and the anticipation for these shows was high due to it being the final stops. What we didn't know then is that there would be more of a finality to these shows than we would've wanted as these will go down as the final shows of Matt Cameron's 27 year tenure with the band. As Ed would say at this show, it was about to be the end of an era, but we all thought that it was just the Dark Matter era that was coming to a close...
While we'll get into hints of Cameron's departure in this episode, the talking points center more around storytelling. We've invite Jeremy Rasmussen onto the show to talk about his travels on this tour through the lens of his taco truck called Taco Jam! Taco Jam became a massive hit as Jeremy drove around from venue to venue with the idea in mind to cook delicious tacos for all of the fans hanging out in merch lines, GA or at pre-parties. He'll share stories of mishaps on the road and how he got engrained into our community meeting dozens of wonderful new friends, including us.
We'll also invite another guest on as Noa Shaindlinger will join us to discuss her moment when she requested Grievance thanks to Ed selecting her at this show. We'll talk about the Hand Trilogy, Bruce Springsteen and Binaural's 25th anniversary in the penultimate episode of the year!
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You guys voted, and we're delivering on democracy. The Pearl Jam show that was voted the #3 show of the year is the second night in Nashville! This was a show that streamed live on Sirius XM, which means that the band had plans for a special evening. One of the top moments of the year came early in the set when they invited the legendary Peter Frampton on stage to perform Black. We'll talk about what it meant for him to be up there and how his performance on the song impacted the show.
Javier attended this one and has many stories to share, including his journey during the off day finding guitar stores and record shops just to be greeted by a couple of familiar faces. Approaching Third Man Records, Javi finds Eddie inside, and it leads to a massive group photo and a huge piece to an unforgettable day. Javi and friends also got to meet Josh Klinghoffer at a minor league baseball game, so he'll share all of those great memories prior to breaking down the setlist.
Tune in to check out that full breakdown, including why perhaps the set wasn't capitalized on after the big Peter Frampton moment.
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Coming in at number 4 on our list of the Top 5 Pearl Jam shows of the 2025 tour is the second night from Raleigh, North Carolina! The night one crowd was treated to a sampling of songs that are almost never played at a Pearl Jam show, so night two needed to step it up a notch and it did. From the massive surprise of opening the show with Setting Sun, to a version of Untitled paying homage to the local fans in attendance, there are no lack of big time moments to celebrate from this one.
Joining the podcast this week are two friends who have unique stories from attending this show. We invite Lori Jernberg and Steve Bennett to the pod this week. Steve will talk about the importance of taking in a show together with family, and he'll rave about Rocky Marciano's undefeated streak that was no match for Wreckage, which was not played for the first time after 45-straight shows. Lori's story is about how the loss of a close friend made this night emotional for her, but it's also about how she managed to get Eddie's attention and came home with the ultimate gift you can get from a Pearl Jam show. Randy was also there at this show taking it in with Lori in GA, and he'll speak of his own experiences with family and loss, and perhaps other reasons why this show made an impact on him.
It's a jam packed episode with incredible stories as well as the normal setlist breakdown. Keep tuning in to find out what show is dubbed #1 for the year!
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As we come to the end of 2025, it's time to take a look back and reflect on the touring year for Pearl Jam. From now until the end of December, we'll be counting down the Top 5 shows of 2025 voted on by you the listeners. Coming in at #5 on the list is the first of two nights in Nashville, Tennessee. It had only been three years since the band last played there, but the vibe of music city and the great arena sound motivated them to get back there as soon as possible. With the help of these two shows, it has become the premiere destination spot to see Pearl Jam in the southern United States.
Javier was at this show, so he'll provide his experiences in great detail from the local bars that were hopping with music to the performances in the arena. We'll spend a lot of time discussing the future for Dark Matter songs such as Scared Of Fear, Wreckage and Got To Give, and we'll dig into how those songs have evolved in year two of touring for this album. This show has some other great moments we witnessed, including Indifference as the opener, a warm tribute with Keep Me In Your Heart, Ed playing Jack White's gifted guitar on the rare Green Disease and a great story from Daughter that we'll spend some time on.
But most importantly? We invite our friend, Jason Brown, to the show to talk about a moment of a lifetime when he got brought up on stage during Brain Of J. But that's not all! Find out how Ed being a kleptomaniac resulted in Jason meeting one of his heroes!
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There are Pearl Jam crowds in the United States that are so passionate about the band that the shows in these places become can't miss. However, you take the enthusiasm of any North American crowd and it will pale in comparison to the fans in South and Latin America. While Brazil, Chile and Mexico are known for having strong participation, it's the Argentinians that are the ones who started it all. This episode goes back to the first time Pearl Jam played in South America on tour in 2005, and the first show in Buenos Aires where the crowd that sang the incredible guitar melodies that defined the concert experience down there.
At recent shows, the band knows exactly what they are gonna get out of these uber impassioned crowds, but back when they toured the continent for the first time, they had no idea what was coming. Eddie Vedder's experience with these crowds came back in 1996 when The Ramones went down there on their final tour run. Pearl Jam had yet to play there, but when Johnny Ramone died in 2004, it took only 14 months before they made their first visit. And what they saw was nothing short of incredible. Fans singing melodies to big hits such as Jeremy, Do The Evolution, Even Flow and Corduroy, but also singing loudly on deeper stuff like MFC and Breakerfall. If this show proves anything, it's that this band would have a long lasting relationship with the country and bring some of the theatrics to other venues all over the world. We'll dig into an incredible version of Black and talk about the strong connection that the crowd has made with it throughout the years, and a ripping 11-minute version of Rearviewmirror with one of the best bridge sections you'll ever hear.
Lots of crowd discussion, as well as a little talk on the recent Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame induction featuring Soundgarden. We'll talk about what it means to finally see them in, and plead our case for another legendary Seattle band to be next.
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Due to Eddie Vedder's case of food poisoning that affected Pearl Jam's 1995 show at Golden Gate Park in San Francisco, California, many of the remaining dates on that summer's run had to be rescheduled for the fall. The band played five shows in the first week of November that started with two in Salt Lake City, then a make up for Golden Gate in San Jose before finishing up in one of Ed's old stomping grounds for two shows in San Diego. Since this episode covers the last night of the tour year, we'll get to tackle a show that can be seen as a full circle moment with special performances that truly defined their setlists and sound in 1995.
First of all, this is a very heavy Jack Irons show - something that we always wax poetically about whenever we get the opportunity to cover one of the few years that he was with the group. He's presence is hypnotic. Every time you hear a Jack performance, you can instantly notice that it's him behind the kit. This show features some incredible versions of Jack songs, but perhaps none better than Corduroy with a solo that is absolutely out of this world. We'll also dig into his "surf rock" influence on Alive and profound tempo on Oceans. This show also features what are considered the rare gems of 1995 such as the alternate version entitled No (or New) Jeremy, Red Mosquito in it's infancy and a full band OTOTO performance of legendary Who song, I Can't Explain.
We invite in Patrick Boegel from the Hallucinogenic Recipe podcast to help out on this one, and we'll make an attempt to figure out whether Howard Stern had the right to be upset with Ed for calling Glorified G "a song I hate". Yes, this show features THAT version!
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Like any major arena rock band, Pearl Jam is most known for putting on massive shows in the world's biggest cities. While their shows in New York, Philadelphia and Chicago are always ones to keep an eye out for, America's smaller towns have also gotten the band at their very best. On the 2000 tour, Pearl Jam ran through dates at places they have yet to return to in 25 years such as Albuquerque, Boise, Greensboro and the show we cover in this episode that emanated from Lubbock, Texas.
Lubbock is just the 10th largest city in Texas, but still very much a small town in comparison to Dallas or Houston. While Texas Tech grads may argue that the Red Raiders are the most notable thing from Lubbock, most music fans know that it's the hometown of rock 'n' roll pioneer, Buddy Holly. Anyone that knows their rock history knows about the plane crash that took the lives of Holly, Ritchie Valens and JP Richardson aka The Big Bopper at such a young age, but what some may not know is the full background of the story. We'll share some of the eerie details of the crash and it's aftermath as we take in a moment of tribute with the band covering Holly's popular song Everyday.
We'll run through the entire set and talk a little about the recent death of KISS lead guitarist Ace Frehley and his impact on Pearl Jam.
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Pearl Jam Live! is a brand new book about Pearl Jam that explores their history and the concerts that have impacted it. I sat down with Selena Fragassi to chat about what went into making the book, and we'll get into her fandom of the band as well. Stay tuned until the end of the episode to find out how you can score a free signed copy!
It's been 25 years since Pearl Jam made one of the most impactful decisions in their history. After years of rampant tape trading of bootlegged live shows within the community, the band took matters into their own hands by creating their own official bootleg series where nearly every one of their shows would be released via CD or digital download. Ever since the 2000 tour, fans have been able to purchase any available show to be able to relive all of the amazing moments that they've witnessed live. This would go on to impact the distribution of live music from that point on.
For this episode, we bring in Patrick and Brian of our Hallucinogenic Recipe team to discuss the end of the taping era and how the releases would go on to impact the fandom. They'll select some of their favorite shows from the 2000 run and talk about buzzworthy performances that still remain powerful today.
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We're celebrating the 20th anniversary of Pearl Jam's memorable run from coast to coast in Canada. This was the first instance where they decided to travel the entire length of the country hitting up 15 different locations from small towns like Kitchener and Thunder Bay, to big cities like Vancouver and Toronto. Eight provinces were represented, including Nova Scotia which saw it's one and only Pearl Jam show in Halifax.. You can tell that the band truly appreciated getting to travel throughout the country and wanted to leave an impact on some of the smaller places in which they'd never return to. From trying a Keith's to playing through some of their rarities, Halifax is one of the tour's most prominent stops, and we'll cover it in this episode.
As much as it's the Canadian tour, this run also feels somewhat like the unofficial Lost Dogs tour as well. The b-side album was released in late 2003 and the songs had become popular by the time 2005 came along. Outside of other eras in which these songs may have been played, this was one of the first opportunities that the band had to showcase them in front of a crowd, and this show features two big ones. Eddie came out in the pre-set to perform Driftin', and Hard To Imagine was used as an opener for the first time at a show. This would invite the song into the pantheon of popular openers along the likes of Release, Sometimes, Long Road and others, and it truly elevated the song to a level in which we hadn't seen of it live to that point.
The rest of this set is full of more rarities and messes with the standard setlist structure by utilizing songs in spots they aren't usually played.
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@39:49 mark, you guys mention the band was probably out being tourists in Istanbul...there's a picture of them floating around the internet where they are on the ferry, touring the city from the water, whicj is a must-do for anyone who visits the city. I lived in Istanbul for 10 years... amazing place! The Turks are huge rock fans...Iron Maiden, Scorpions, Deep Purple...they love their rock n roll there!