Nakedly Examined Music Podcast

Guitarist Kavus began in dual-guitar bands in the ’90s with his buddy Dan Chudley, most notably Monsoon Bassoon. He joined the Cardiacs for their final lineup in the late ’00s, recorded an unreleased album with The Pogues’ Spider Stacey, and was a guitarist in several other bands. His project Knifeworld released the first of its four albums in 2009, he released solo albums in 2020 and 2024, and since 2014 he has released six albums with legendary prog-rock band Gong, serving as their lead singer since the death of Gong’s founder Daevid Allen in 2015. His other major ongoing project is The Utopia Strong, an electronica collaboration with Steve Davis that has released four studio albums since 2019. We discuss “Stars in Heaven” by Gong (co-written by the whole band) from Bright Spirit Haulix (2026), “Send Him Seaworthy” by Knifeworld from The Unraveling (2014), “You Broke My Fall” by Kavus Torabi from Hip to the Jag (2020), and “Wise Guy” by The Monsoon Bassoon, a 1998 single released on the album I Dig Your Voodoo (1999). Intro: “Ditzy Scene” by The Cardiacs, a 2007 single co-written with Tim Smith, eventually released on the album LSD (2025). Watch a Gong video and see them live in 2017 and last year. Watch a Knifeworld video, and see them live in 2016. Watch Kavus play solo live in 2021. Watch Monsoon Bassoon live in 1998. Watch a Utopia Strong video. Hear The Utopia Strong’s tune “Doperider” that was originally going to be featured at the end of this podcast. Hear all of “Ditzy Scene.” Here’s the same song live recently (with Mike Vinnart covering lead vocals in Tim’s absence). A one-off project Kavus did was Admirals Hard, playing sea chanties. A later project he did with Dan Chudley was Hatchjaw and Bassett. Hear lots of Kavus/Dan songs (including Monsoon Bassoon and Die Laughing) on Dan’s SoundCloud page. Watch a live DJ set with Steve Davis. The two of them also wrote a musical memoir together, Medical Grade Music. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music at nakedlyexaminedmusic.com. Support us at patreon.com/nakedlyexaminedmusic.

Lande started in the 2010’s in the British punk-pop group Muncie Girls, with six releases (mostly EPs), and began her solo career in 2019. We discuss “Coming Home” (and listen at the end to the title track) from her fourth solo album Lucky Now (2026), “80 Days of Rain” from Going to Hell (2011), and “Learn In School” by Muncie Girls from From Caplan to Belsize (2016). Intro: “Gay Space Cadets” from House Without a View (2022). Watch videos to “Gay Space Cadets” and “Lucky Now.” Another single from the new album with a video now is “Favourite Pair of Shoes.” Watch Lande play “80 Days of Rain” live. Watch a full, recent live set with Watch Muncie Girls play “Learn in School” live. Hear their take on the Ramones’ “Pet Sematary.” Watch a Muncie-era solo acoustic performance. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music at nakedlyexaminedmusic.com. Support us at patreon.com/nakedlyexaminedmusic. Sponsors: Get three months free of online payroll and benefits software for small businesses at gusto.com/nem. Download the Gametime app and use code NEM for $20 off your first purchase of concert tickets.

John has released at least fifteen albums, more than half of these under the name King Missile, but even this name covers three different bands, since John until recently didn’t play any instruments, so his music is always collaborative with one or more music writers. Apart from his various musical projects, he’s published around 50 books of poetry and publishes poems every day on his Facebook page. We discuss “Her Cock is True” from the yet-to-be-released King Missile album Quest for Fire (with music by Stephen Tunney, aka Dogbowl), “Eating People” by King Missile III from The Psychopathology of Everyday Life (2003, music by Bradford Reed), and “Sensitive Artist” by King Missile (Dog Fly Religion) from Fluting on the Hump (1987). End song: “Garden” by You, Me and This Fuckin’ Guy from Garden Variety Fuckers (2020, music by Azalia Snail and Dan West). Intro: “Detachable Penis” from Happy Hour (1992). We also get to hear how he writes his daily poems; the poems from the day we recorded that John brings up are here. Watch the big-time video For “Detachable Penis.” Other notable classic KM songs include “Jesus Was Way Cool,” “Wuss,” and the poem (which you can watch him recite) “Rock ‘n’ Roll Will Never Die.” Here’s the re-make by King Missile III, “Jesus Was Way Cool (Millennium Edition).“ Some of John’s other recent musical projects include Silk Cut (with King Missile’s Rebecca Korbet), Unusual Squirrel. His “solo” album Real Men (1991) was a collaboration with Kramer. Watch John do a full poetry show. Watch him performing in 1995 with Kramer and just a bit from 2016 with Dogbowl and even more recently with Dogbown and Rebecca Korbet. Watch him live with Unusual Squirrel. Watch a King Missile gig from 1994. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music at nakedlyexaminedmusic.com. Support us at patreon.com/nakedlyexaminedmusic. Sponsor: Get three months free of online payroll and benefits software for small businesses at gusto.com/nem.

Folky singer/songwriter and psychotherapist Robert started in the ’80s but considers 1994 his professional debut and has now released his seventh album since then, The Space Between Us. We discuss “Attic of Desire” (and the intro is “The Forest From the Tree”) from that album, plus “Uncertain” from Beloved (2017), the title track from Earthside Down (1998), and we conclude by listening to “Rock A Bye” feat. Victoria Williams from Days Like These (1994). More at robertdeeble.com. Watch Robert’s video for “The Forest From the Tree.” The previous version of “Attic of Desire” was called “A Formal Apology” from Thirteen Stories (2003). Watch Robert and his band play “Earthside Down” live in 2002. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music at nakedlyexaminedmusic.com. Support us at patreon.com/nakedlyexaminedmusic. Sponsor: Download the Gametime app and use code NEM for $20 off your first purchase of concert tickets.

Ontario guitarist Darren has released six albums of concise instrumentals since 2019, often using metal guitar tones and tropes, but with a great range of tones and often catchy melodies. We discuss “The Day Beneath Yesterday” (and listen at the end to “Dangerous Curves”) from Perpetual Night (2025), “Broken Glass and Disappointment” from Thoughts and Scares (2022), and “The Earth is B Flat” from Lifting the Curse (2019). Intro: The title track from Wonders of the Invisible World (2020). More at darrenboyd.com. Watch the video for the title track for the new album, showing his full band. Experience all of the song “Wonders of the Invisible World” with this video. He’s made videos for many of his songs; here’s the channel. Watch Darren talk about guitar shredding. Hear that 2018 “horror band” EP with a singer and lyrics that Darren wrote about murder and suicide. Also, The G-String Murders EP. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music at nakedlyexaminedmusic.com. Support us at patreon.com/nakedlyexaminedmusic.

In a special holiday episode, we get to meet the talented and very British musician and podcaster Roger Heathers, who is my new audio editor for this show and most of my others starting in Jan. 2025 or so. At the beginning and the end of the show, you get to hear two tracks from his soon to be released Upward Spiral: “Guard Dogs” and “Hopefully.” They both feature a warm, holiday-like glow. You can listen to him at rogerheathers.bandcamp.com, or check out The Weekly Song Podcast, where he and his buddy Declan each write and present a song to each other and talk about how they wrote them along with various music-related topics. Together, Roger and I hash through how we make the show and share some highlights and challenges re. recent guests. As mentioned at the end, my Substack (which I plan to do another post for soon) is marklinsenmayer.substack.com. If you’re interested in my spring philosophy class, check out partiallyexaminedlife.com/class. Hope you enjoy it! Happy holidays! Hear more Nakedly Examined Music at nakedlyexaminedmusic.com. Support us at patreon.com/nakedlyexaminedmusic. Sponsor: Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance; connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at rula.com/nem.

Corey has released many of zydeco music since 2004 (I count eight, but his bio says 16), and mixes his dedication to tradition (even recording a recent album in Louisiana Creole) with his love of many types of music. We discuss “J’ai Parti dans la Campagne” (and listen at the end to “Outro”) from his new release, Live in Alaska; “That Girl Wanna Dance” from the Grammy nominated Nothin’ But the Best (2012); and “Way Back Home,” a Jazz Crusaders (Wilton Felder) cover recorded for 3 Years 2 Late (2003). Intro: “Boudin Man (Remix)” from Destiny (2013) (written by Joseph Rossiyn). More at coreyledet.com. Hear all of “Boudin Man.” Watch a live version from back in 2004. Hear the original Accordion Man (2018) version of “J’ai Parti dans la Campagne.” Watch a full, recent live show. Watch a full solo from-home set from the pandemic. Watch Corey playing with my previous guest Louis Michot (hear Louis’ NEM interview). Watch him on the evening news about being inducted into the Louisiana music hall of fame. I couldn’t find one of his recent live cover tunes of pop songs on YouTube, but this 2009 clip includes part of “Baby, Please Don’t Go” and features a guy praising him. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Support us on Patreon. Sponsor: Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance; connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at rula.com/nem.

Marshall began creating his catchy, harmonically thick rock tunes in the early ’80s with six major label albums, but went indie in the ’90s to record four more as well as several EPs and live collections. We discuss “Stranger and Stranger,” newly reworked for From the Hellhole (2025) but originally released on the Stranger and Stranger EP (2012), “Right On Time” from Jaggedland (2009), “Fantastic Planet of Love” from Life’s Too Short (1991), and we conclude by listening to Our Town” from Field Day (1983). Intro: “Someday, Someway” from Marshall Crenshaw (1982). More at marshallcrenshaw.com. Hear all of “Someday, Someway,” and watch it live in 1982. One of his notable videos from back in the day was “Whenever You’re On My Mind.” See “Our Town” performed live, a live in-studio performance of “Stranger and Stranger,” and live “Fantastic Planet of Love.” Watch him singing Buddy Holly tunes live with the actual Crickets (Buddy Holly’s backing band), and here he is in La Bamba. Hear that Dianne Warren tune he sang that we mention; reportedly she got mad at him for changing some lyrics. (Clearly he liked it enough at the time to perform it on Letterman.) Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Support us on Patreon. Sponsors: Go to surfshark.com/nakedly or use code nakedly at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN. Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance; connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at rula.com/nem.

Mark is joined by returning NEM guest Don Rauf (singer/songwriter from Life In a Blender), singer/songwriter/cartoonist David Heatley (featured on Mark’s other show Pretty Much Pop), and writer/musician Dave “Diggy” Dawson aka Dave Philpott (featured talking about his letters-to-popstars books on Pretty Much Pop). Our topic is humor in music. Is funny music necessarily less sincerely emotional, and so a failure at what music is supposed to do? People are used to hearing songs from the singer’s perspective and might not realize that you’re playing a satirical character. How seriously do rock stars take their various ridiculous personas? An extreme persona can enable you to express something more interesting than a straight emotional recitation. Homages to various nostalgic styles (e.g. disco, metal, ’80s syntho) can in effect be musical jokes of a sort, but don’t have to imply that you’re laughing at that style (pretending to display an aesthetic is identical to actually displaying that aesthetic, your ambivalent intentions notwithstanding). You can choose to watch this whole discussion unedited on YouTube, though you will in that case miss out on the music. Hear all of Life in a Blender’s “My Heart Your Sweat Does Feed” (2024) that leads off the audio. To conclude, we hear all of David Heatley’s “Blowing Off the World” (2023). Some of the artists we refer to during the discussion include Frank Zappa, They Might Be Giants, Weird Al, Spinal Tap, Ian Dury, King Missile, The B-52s, Camper van Beethoven, The Dead Milkmen, GWAR, The Waitresses, Mac Sabbath, and The Anti-Nowhere League. Here’s Peter Stampfel singing “Haunted Heart.” Here’s Mo Tucker singing in the Velvet Underground (see also Ringo). Listen to Iron Maiden’s “Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter.” Listen to Jonathan Richman’s life “Ice Cream Man.” Listen to Jonathan Coulton’s “Baby Got Back.” Hear Richard Cheese sing “Smells Like Teen Spirit.” The History of Punk on the Lower East Side. Genesis’ “Harold the Barrel.” The Fall’s “Oswald Defense Lawyer.” Before Mark’s most famous, not-funny song “Things We Should Do” (2015) featured Lucy Lawless, there was an original-silly-lyric-version (though this mix was done afterwards, adding some weird effects and emphasizing parts of the backing that had been deleted or turned lower in the released version). Some other Mark novelty-ish songs include “Falsifiable,” “The Nipple Song,” “The Zoo Song,” “The Size of Luv,” “I Believe,” and “Minnesota Freak.” Hear Mark’s NEM interview with DEVO’s Gerald V. Casale. Follow @Heatley, @DonRauf, @derek_and_dave_philpott, and @MarkLinsenmayer. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Support us on Patreon. Sponsor: Go to surfshark.com/nakedly or use code nakedly at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN.

Singer-songwriter-multi-instrumentalist Jonathan (currently based in Minneapolis) has been putting out indie rock solo albums since 1992, but has also ventured into traditional Finnish folk music and has multiple releases of tunes that I won’t call Christian rock, but more rock that grapples with being someone who goes to church. We discuss “Diner by the Train” (and listen at the end to “Evidence”) from Waves (2025), “Home Unknown” from Look Up (2015), “Tape” from Recital (1997), and “Failing Rockstar Attempt” from Sound Theology (2000). Intro: “When I Get Bored” from 11 Years and 28 Days in the Yellow Room (1992) More at junathanrundman.com. Hear all of the 2016 Walter Salas-Humara version of “Diner by the Train” (who co-wrote the song with Jonathan; Jonathan plays on this version. Watch Walter’s trio (including Jonathan) play this live. See young Jonathan in his video for “When I Get Bored.” Watch Jonathan’s current live band playing his recent single. “Let’s Put On an Opera.” Watch him playing live Finnish folk music with Kaivama. Watch Kaivama playing “Home Unknown” live. Here he is playing harmonium. Watch a lyric video for Jonathan’s most popular song as we mention in the interview: “Soul, Adorn Yourself with Gladness.” Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Support us on Patreon. Sponsors: Visit square.com/go/nem to learn about how Square helps local businesses. Go to surfshark.com/nakedly or use code nakedly at checkout to get 4 extra months of SurfsharkVPN.

Adrian has applied his distinctive, spacey dub mixing techniques to numerous recordings since 1978, often released under his On-U Sound label, and has effectively served as a key band member in groups like Creation Rebel, African Head Charge, Tackhead, and New Age Steppers. He has produced and/or remixed many artists including Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Nine Inch Nails, Lee “Scratch” Perry, Sinéad O’Connor, and Spoon and has released nine albums under his own name since 2003. We discuss “Body Roll” from The Collapse of Everything (2025), “Starship Bahia” from Survival & Resistance (2012), and “Sharp as a Needle” by Barmy Army from The English Disease (1989). End song: “Make Up Your Mind” by Coldcut (Ninja Tunes), On-U Sound, Ce’Cile, Toddla T, Adrian Sherwood from Outside the Echo Chamber (2017). Intro: “Movement in Space” by Creation Rebel from Starship Africa (1980), remixed for Adrian’s Five Decades of Destruction – 80’s (2024). More at adriansherwood.com. Hear all of “Movement in Space.” Watch an animated video for “Dub Inspector” from the new album. Listen to “Swiftly (The Right One),” a track from the Creation Rebel 2023 reunion album. Watch Adrian live with that band in 2017. Watch him performing live solo in 2025; on his new tour, he plays with a band. Watch a full live DJ set from 2012. Here’s one of his tunes with Lee Scratch Perry. Here’s a tune he did with Sinéad O’Connor and others. Hear one of his remixes for Spoon. Watch Adrian muck around with his equipment. Check out my interview with Bonjo Iyabinghi Noah from African Head Charge; Adrian is a co-writer and producer for all songs by that project. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Support us on Patreon. Sponsor: Visit square.com/go/nem to learn about how Square helps local businesses.

Eric was a major figure in the 1960s NYC folk scene, and his early tunes have been covered by Bob Dylan, Judy Collins, and many others. He’s released 22 solo albums plus several live albums and two albums with The Band’s Rick Danko as Danko/Fjeld/Andersen. We discuss “Don’t It Make You Wanna Sing the Blues” from Dance of Love and Death (2025), “Rain Falls Down in Amsterdam” from Memory of the Future (1998), and “Six Senses of Darkness” from Ghosts Upon the Road (1989). End song: “Time Run Like a Freight Train” from Stages: The Lost Album (recorded 1973). Intro: “Violets of Dawn” from ‘Bout Changes and Things (1966). More at ericandersen.com. Hear all of “Violets of Dawn” and his version for the 1967 European re-recording of that album. Here’s what it sounds like in his current voice. His other really big hit was “Thirsty Boots.” Here’s the same song sung by Bob Dylan, Judy Collins, John Denver, and The Kingston Trio. Here he is singing it in 1985 with a lot of harmonies. Hear the earlier (2007?), live version of “Don’t It Make You Wanna Sing the Blues.” Watch him sing it live in 2020. Another particularly strong tune from the new album is “Troubled Angel.” Here’s the title track, and here’s the political tune we mention. Watch a more recent, live take on “Rain Falls Down in Amsterdam” with more dense instrumentation. From that same era, listen to him do a duet with Lou Reed. He’s also recorded some recent albums related to literature, including an EP about Camus; listen to “The Plague.” His biggest hit from his early ’70s post-folk period was “Blue River.” As he describes at the end of the interview, it was the album right after that which was “lost,” though some tunes were then re-recorded; hear the 1975 version of “Time Run Like a Freight Train.” Another tune from that lost album I particularly like is “Lie With Me.” One of the better songs from the “Exiles” period in the ’80s we talk about near the end of the interview is “Messiah.” One of the more “80s” tunes from that era (with a big hook and horns, but no obvious synths) was “Tight in the Night.” The (co-written) song “with a hook” I referred to from the 1989 album is “Too Many Times (I Will Try).” Just after that album he did the collaborations with Rick Danko; the big song from that was “Driftin’ Away.” Here they are singing it on TV, and here he is singing it live with his own band in the early ’90s. Watch this other interview with Eric that prepared me to talk with him. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Support us on Patreon. Sponsor: Visit square.com/go/nem to learn about how Square helps local businesses.

This is an in memoriam reissue of a 2022 episode with a newly recorded introduction by Mark (your host, not the guest). Mark Stewart led the Pop Group through two albums in the late 70s two later reunion album and has released nine solo albums of trippy, experimental dance music. We discuss “Rage of Angels” (feat. Front 242) from VS (2022), “Age of Miracles” by The Pop Group from Citizen Zombie (2015), and “Liberty City” by Mark Stewart & the Maffia from Learning to Cope with Cowardice (1983). End song: “Cast No Shadow (Leather Strip Mix)” by Mark Stewart, Stephen Mallinder, and Eric Random from VS (2022). Intro: “She Is Beyond Good and Evil” by The Pop Group from Y (1979). More at markstewartmusic.com. Watch the videos for “Rage of Angels” and “Cast No Shadow.” Another collaboration on that album is with Lee “Scratch” Perry. Watch a live gig with The Maffia from 1985. “She Is Beyond Good and Evil” had a video too. One of their other big songs is “We Are All Prostitutes.” Here’s The Pop Group live in 1980 and 2016. Photo by Chiara Meattelli and Dominic Lee. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Like our Facebook page. Support us on Patreon.

Maia has released ten lush, Americana-influenced singer-songwriter albums since 1997 and has collaborated with artists like Art Garfunkel, Bonnie Raitt, and Trisha Yearwood, and been covered by Cher, Paul Carrack, etc. We discuss “Counterintuition” (and listen to the title track) from Tomboy (2025), “Phoenix” from The Dash Between the Dates (2015), and “A Home” from Fine Upstanding Citizen (2005) (co-written with her father Randy Sharp and popularized in a cover version by The Chicks). Intro: “I Need This to Be Love” from Hardly Glamour (1997). More at maiasharp.com. Watch the video for “Tomboy”, and a new lyric for another new song, “Only Lucky.” Hear all of “I Need This to Be Love.” Another single of hers that I really like is “Kind.” Watch her perform a full solo set. Watch her perform with Bonnie Raitt and with Art Garfunkel. Here’s the song Maia wrote that was recorded by Cher. Watch Maia pitching her NYU songwriting classes. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Support us on Patreon. Sponsor: Visit functionhealth.com/NAKEDLY to take control of your health through testing and get $100 off your membership.

…OK, maybe not his ending, but it’s a late career boost into overdrive: This 66-year-old has been making music since the ’80s, but you’re only going to find two of his releases on the streaming services right now, and only this new album (released 20 years after the previous one) has the polish to count as a world-conquering, professional release. We discuss two songs from this new album Diner of Doubt: “My Dead Friend,” and “I Have a Lotta Dreams,” then look back to “Build Another One” from Might Could Have (2004) (The Intro, “Chinese Lights,” is also from that album). End song: “Oh Dee Oh Oh” (recorded 2023, making its debut release here). Learn more at teetempleton.com. Tee has created videos (apparently not using AI!) for most songs from the new album, watch them at youtube.com/@TeeTempleton. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Support us on Patreon. Sponsors: Visit functionhealth.com/NAKEDLY to take control of your health through testing and get $100 off your membership. Check out The 500 with Josh Adam Meyers for discussion of classic albums with cool guests.

New York singer-songwriter Willie has released sixteen albums since 1980. He has opened for The Who and Bruce Springsteen, among others, but rejected the major label life after his first two albums. Sponsor: Visit functionhealth.com/NAKEDLY to take control of your health through testing and get $100 off your membership. We discuss “An Irish Goodbye” (feat. Paul Brady) from The Great Yellow Light (2025) (and listen at the end to “Wake Up, America” feat. Steve Earle from that album), “Cell Phones Ringing (In the Pockets of the Dead)” from Streets of New York (2006), and the title track from Places I Have Never Been (1991) (co-written with Richard Chertoff and Jim Cobb). Intro music: “Vagabond Moon” from Willie Nile (1980). Hear all of “Vagabond Moon.” Watch “Cell Phones” ringing live, and “Places I Have Never Been” live. Watch the video for “Wake Up, America.” Watch Willie on Letterman in 1991. Watch him solo acoustic, and he sings solo piano ballads too. We mention Willie’s collaborations with The Hooters: Here’s Willie’s new version of “Washington’s Day,” and The Hooters’ old version. He just co-wrote their new song “Pendulum”; here he is performing it with them. Here’s that interview about Irish cultural influence with Larry Kirwan that we mentioned. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Like our Facebook page. Support us on Patreon.

Not only is John a multi-instrumentalist (e.g. mandolin and flute) who’s played with Violent Femmes, Allen Ginsberg, Hal Willner, John Prine, The Meat Puppets, et al, but he’s released around 24 albums as a solo artist or with several groups including the NYC world music outfit TriBeCaStan. He’s also a poet and author. We discuss “(Be Careful What You Say to) An Armed Lady” by Folklorkestra from A Strange Day in June (2023), the title track from Forever Ago (with La Società del Musici) (2018), “Bed Bugs” by TriBeCaStan from New Deli (2012), and listen to “Back Country” by The Electric Chairmen from Toast (1995), which features members of Camper van Beethoven. Intro: “Grim Reaper’s Song” from Midnight Snack (1986) (which features Violent Femmes’ Brian Richie on bass). More at kruthworks.com, johnkruth.bandcamp.com, and (for TriBeCaStan) at evergreene.bandcamp.com. Hear all of “Grim Reaper’s Song.” Watch TriBeCaStan live with John on sitar, and here’s a whole live set. Watch the video for Waiting by the Window, another key track from Forever Ago. Here he is on banjo. Here he is live with The Illustrious Ancestors. Watch him playing flute with The Blues Project. Here he is with Noodle Shop (feat. Jonathan Segel from Camper van Beethoven) and Elliot Sharp. We refer to Folklorkestra’s “A Pair of Boleros.” Watch a short documentary about John. Watch him talking about a recent book he wrote. Here are more videos that John has posted. Sponsor: Visit functionhealth.com/NAKEDLY to take control of your health through testing and get $100 off your membership. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Like our Facebook page. Support us on Patreon.

This famed finger-style guitarist became famous through Jefferson Airplane’s seven albums from 1966-1972, recorded eight with Hot Tuna 1970-1976 (with subsequent reunions by both bands), recorded his first solo album in 1974 and then 10 more from 1981-2025, and still plays live constantly solo or with his Tuna/Airplane partner, bassist Jack Cassady. He’s also recently recorded three albums backing John Hurlbut and has collaborated with Grateful Dead members and Janice Joplin. We discuss “In My Dreams” from Ain’t in No Hurry (2015), “Been So Long” from River of Time (2009), “Sleep Song” by Hot Tuna from America’s Choice (1975), and we conclude by listening to “Hesitation Blues” from Reno Road: Unreleased Tracks from the 60s (a 1960 recording just released of a foundational song for Jorma’s songwriting composed by W.C. Handy, which Jorma learned through his obsession with Reverend Gary Davis). Intro: “Embryonic Journey” from Jefferson Airplane’s Surrealistic Pillow (1967), plus (because it wasn’t long enough to cover my intro) a bit of a live version from 2003-01-31 The Orange Peel, Asheville, NC. More at jormakaukonen.com. Jorma’s autobiography is Been So Long: My Life and Music (2018), which you can listen to him read on Spotify or Audible. Watch Jorma play “Embryonic Journey” live in 1996 at the Airplane’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction. Hear a recent live solo version of “Sleep Song,” another recent acoustic version with Jack as Hot Tuna, and here’s video of them playing it electrically recently. Watch a recent live solo version of “Hesitation Blues.” Hear the original 1971 (live) Hot Tuna version of “Been So Long.” and watch them on video playing it in 1973. Watch Jefferson Airplane live playing a tune that starts with a big Jorma solo. Watch Jorma playing live with John Hurlbut. Here’s an audio recording with him and Jaco Pastorius, and here he is with Janice Joplin. One of Jorma’s biggest and best solo tunes is from his firs solo album, the song “Genesis” and another is “Song for the North Star.” Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Like our Facebook page. Support us on Patreon. If you enjoy our show, check out the All the Right Movies podcast.

Chris has around 20 releases since 1991, mostly under his own name, while moonlighting as a metal guy and otherwise collaborating. We discuss “She Looks Good in Black” from Obsolete Path (2025), “Intransitive Proverb” from Limitations of the Source Tape (2017), and “Angel Be Mine” from Your Own Chosen Speed (2001). End song: “Sisiphus” by Däng from Tartarus: The Darkest Realm (2014). Intro: “Every Time” by Flat Earth from Prefacipice (1991). More at chrischurch1.bandcamp.com and bigstirrecords.com/chris-church. Hear all of “Every Time,” and watch Flat Earth play it live back in the day. Watch the video from “She Looks Good in Black.” That song (and video) features my former guest Lindsay Murray. There are many more videos of his tunes at youtube.com/@ChrisChurchMusic, including this nice one we refer to at the very end of Chris playing beardless with several musicians in an acoustic setting at a church. Watch Däng live in 2012. Hear both of their albums in full. Hear Chris backing his wife Lori as Lady Darkevyl. Here’s Chris live in the supergroup The Long Players (with my former guest Bill Lloyd). Here he is playing live with Junkflower. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Like our Facebook page. Support us on Patreon.

Bill started in the mid-60s with Sons of Champlin and released 8 albums with them between 1969-1977, moved to LA to become a session singer, wrote some Grammy-winning tunes, and released two solo albums before joining Chicago in 1981 as their growling soul singer through their most famous period, releasing six more solo albums during and after his tenure with them (which ended in 2009) in addition to numerous collaborations. We discuss “Alone” from Livin’ for Love (2021), the title track from He Started to Sing (1995) (with music by Bruce Gaitsch and Janie Clewer), and “Right On” by Sons of Champlin from Welcome to the Dance (1973). End song: “Plaid” by Chicago from Stone of Sisyphus (recorded 1992, released 2008). Intro: “Please Hold On” from Chicago 17 (1984) (co-written with Lionel Richie and David Foster). Learn more at billchamplin.com. Bill’s early Grammy co-writes were Earth, Wind & Fire’s “After the Love Has Gone” (1979) (see Bill playing it live in 2023), and George Benson’s “Turn Your Love Around” (1981) (see Bill playing it live in 1993). Watch Sons of Champlin live in 1973. Hear the 2003 live version of the Sons of Champlin playing “Right On.” Bill brings up their earlier tune “Rooftop” as a statement of their ’60s politics. (They got very disco by the end of the ’70s.) The excluded (now bonus) track for Chicago 16 that Bill wrote solo that I refer to was “Daddy’s Favorite Fool.” Any fan of that album should check out the album Bill recorded immediately prior, Runaway, which likewise features collaborations with David Foster, Toto, and also Kenny Loggins and others. Another Chicago tune that we reference from Chicago 17 is “We Can Stop the Hurtin‘,” which Bill arranged the vocals for. Watch Bill singing the classic early Chicago tune “Make Me Smile” (which he did not write, of course), and probably the Chicago tune you recognize him from, i.e. the Dianne Warren-penned “Look Away” (as sick as Bill became playing this song, he created his own acoustic arrangement of it). Another ’80s moment of singing fame was with “In the Heat of the Night.” One for Chicago that Bill did write (more or less according to their ballad formula is “I Believe” from Chicago 18. This is by contrast to his much more harmonically adventurous solo tune “Party Time in DC.” Recently, Bill recorded three albums as Champlin Williams Friestedt; here they are live (featuring Bill’s wife Tamara). Here are Bill and Tamara playing as a live duo. Hear more Nakedly Examined Music. Like our Facebook page. Support us on Patreon.