Bothsides Podcast

Whitefox CEO MARTY FOX reveals how he has built a real estate empire doing $2.5B in sales annually and why “momentum makes you dangerous.” He shares the mindset, systems, and inner circle that turned his goals into global growth.Marty Fox is the founder and CEO of WHITEFOX Real Estate, one of Australia’s most disruptive property brands, now spanning 17 offices across 3 countries with over $2.5 billion in sales.After battling pericarditis and being bedridden for six months, he redefined how he sets goals, builds teams, and maintains unstoppable momentum.He explains:◼️ How to write goals that actually happen (even from rock bottom)◼️ Why “momentum” is the most dangerous (and powerful) force in business◼️ The difference between profile and profit (and how to master both)◼️ The mindset shift that took White Fox from 1 to 17 offices◼️ Why your circle determines everything (and how to find the right one)◼️ The “Ponzi scheme” mentality keeping most people stuckExplore the Bothsides Ecosystem ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠You can watch us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Youtube ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Find us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠I⁠⁠nstagram⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tik Tok ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Hosted by ⁠⁠⁠Dan Beardall⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠ ⁠Kevin Buchanan⁠⁠⁠ and⁠⁠ ⁠Josh Morrissey ⁠⁠⁠Follow Bothsides on Spotify so you never miss an episode! Thank you for listening.

Simon Cohen writes $10M+ in GCI annually and is currently negotiating what could be the 4th biggest residential deal in Australian history. He started during the GFC when everyone said it was impossible.The difference between him and everyone else? He's not lazy.Most people think success requires talent, connections, or luck. Simon's represented some of the world's most successful people - they have zero superpowers you don't have. The only difference is they refuse to be complacent.The harsh truth: complacency and laziness are killing your business. Every day you're not innovating, pioneering, and doing better deals - you're going backwards.We cover:◼️ What actually separates the top 1% from everyone else (it's pathetically simple)◼️ Why most people fail (and it's 100% in your control)◼️ The "free work" strategy that built a $10M+ empire from nothing◼️ How he saved clients $4.4M on an $8.8M property (while others made excuses)◼️ What his wealthiest clients taught him about hunger and drive◼️ Why starting during the worst time became his biggest advantageIf you're tired of making excuses and ready to see what top 1% producers actually do differently, this is for you.Explore the Bothsides Ecosystem ⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠You can watch us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Youtube ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Find us on ⁠⁠⁠I⁠⁠nstagram⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Join us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tik Tok ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Hosted by ⁠⁠Dan Beardall⁠⁠,⁠ ⁠Kevin Buchanan⁠⁠ and⁠ ⁠Josh Morrissey ⁠⁠Follow Bothsides on Spotify so you never miss an episode! Thank you for listening.

Welcome to The Blueprint Series! Where Dan, Kevin, and Josh sit down to share what’s really happening behind the scenes at Bothsides; the lessons, growth, and direction shaping the brand.Each episode breaks down key insights from recent guests, major takeaways from the top 1%, and what’s next across the Bothsides ecosystem.It’s an open, unfiltered space for reflection, strategy, and audience connection; where listeners can send in questions and join the conversation as the boys continue building the blueprint in real time.After 4 years of interviewing Australia's top 1% in real estate, we're making our biggest move yet. Josh Morrissey (one of our most impactful guests) is officially joining as co-host, and we're revealing what's next for the podcast, our events, and a mysterious new business venture.This isn't just an announcement episode. It's an honest conversation about how organic partnerships form, why surrounding yourself with the right people accelerates your growth, and what happens when three entrepreneurs align on a shared vision.If you've ever wondered how to level up your circle or when to make bold business moves, this episode delivers real insights.What you'll discover:◼️Josh Morrissey's organic 3-year journey from guest to co-host◼️Why the right people help you "play chess while others play checkers"◼️Suitesides reveal (new business backed by industry heavy hitters)◼️Plans to bring international guests and represent Australia globally◼️Melbourne interviews with Marcus Chiminello, James Tostevin, and industry legends◼️The new Bothsides website as a one-stop connection hubExplore the Bothsides Ecosystem ⁠⁠⁠here⁠You can watch us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Youtube ⁠⁠⁠⁠Find us on ⁠⁠I⁠⁠nstagram⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Join us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Tik Tok ⁠⁠⁠⁠Hosted by ⁠Dan Beardall⁠, ⁠Kevin Buchanan⁠ and ⁠Josh Morrissey ⁠Follow Bothsides on Spotify so you never miss an episode! Thank you for listening.

Billy Moskovich became Australia's first billion-dollar mortgage broker in his 30s, writing over $1.56 billion in deals last year alone.Starting as a suspended student with no direction, he built a system that now has him on track for $2 billion this year. Now he reveals: the exact strategies that got him there, and how you can apply them to your own success.Billy Moskovich is Australia's first billion-dollar broker and director at Stamford Capital, the country's leading commercial finance brokerage with over $2.6 billion in deals annually. He's built his reputation banking some of the nation's wealthiest developers and investors, while maintaining a lifestyle most only dream of.We cover:⬛ The exact daily system that generates $800M in 6 months (and why most brokers fail)⬛ How he banks billionaires who've never used a broker before (the relationship secret)⬛ The "specialist vs generalist" rule that separates top 1% earners from everyone else⬛ Why being in peak physical shape closes more deals than any sales script⬛ The Monday-Thursday sprint system that gives him 3-day weekends year-round⬛ How to build a team that 10X's your income without losing your best people⬛ Why "saving money for free" is the most powerful sales frame in existenceExplore the Bothsides Ecosystem ⁠here⁠You can watch us on ⁠⁠Youtube ⁠⁠Find us on ⁠I⁠nstagram⁠ ⁠Join us on ⁠⁠Tik Tok ⁠⁠Follow Bothsides on Spotify so you never miss an episode! Follow Us here Thank you for listening.

After 18 years selling some of Australia's most prestigious properties, Gavin Rubinstein breaks down the exact 3 aspects that separate top 1% agents from everyone else.This isn't a theory. This is the actual blueprint from someone who:◼️Built 3 offices in the most competitive market in the country◼️Lost $100M in listings last week and bounced back immediately◼️ Still operates at the highest level while maintaining fresh energyIn this ultimate guide, you'll learn:→ The 3 core aspects every successful agent must master (starting from day one)→ Why energy management beats time management→ The "small details" philosophy that wins $100M+ listings→ How to build a business (not just be an agent)→ The art of not taking rejection personally→ Why authenticity eliminates competitionYou can watch us on Youtube Find us on Instagram Join us on Tik Tok Visit us on WebsiteThank you so much for listening!

What if the No.1 reason you’ve never achieved your goals has nothing to do with talent, luck, or resources… but the way your mind retreats when things get hard?Entrepreneur, investor, and founder Jack Delosa has spent two decades building, scaling, and rescuing companies worth hundreds of millions. He’s been $25M up, $5M down, and rebuilt again. Now, he’s revealing the real reasons most people never succeed - and the simple frameworks you can use to finally break through excuses, fear, and overwhelm.With brutal honesty and hard-won experience, Jack exposes the uncomfortable truths about why people quit, how to stop self-sabotage, and what it actually takes to achieve big goals in today’s world.Jack is the founder of The Entourage, Australia’s largest training institution for entrepreneurs, and an active investor with over $100M in portfolio value. He’s been featured in BRW Young Rich List multiple times and is the author of two best-selling business books.In this conversation, Jack reveals:◼️ The No.1 reason people never achieve their goals (and how to beat it).◼️ Why your brain’s natural instinct is to retreat into excuses when things get tough.◼️ The 2-hour rule that can transform your business and life in weeks.◼️ How to identify and fix the real constraint that’s holding back your success.◼️ Why most entrepreneurs are trapped in busywork instead of growth work.◼️ The hidden danger of operational debt and how to reverse it fast.◼️ Why leaning into AI now can be your biggest advantage in the next 5–7 years.You can watch us on ⁠⁠Youtube ⁠⁠Find us on I⁠nstagram⁠ ⁠Join us on ⁠⁠Tik Tok ⁠⁠Vistit us on ⁠Website⁠Thank you so much for listening!

Adrian Oddi has sold hundreds of millions in real estate over 23 years, yet made a shocking decision that goes against everything he teaches clients. After surviving cancer and divorce simultaneously, this Brisbane Whitney director completely restructured his priorities - and the results might surprise you.From someone who once worked 6 days a week for 26 years straight, Adrian now starts work at 11am, has his team doing 3x more business than him, and admits he has a "50 million by 50" goal he doesn't even understand why he wants.What you'll discover:Why a millionaire agent chooses renting over $30M+ Bondi propertiesThe "buyer-first" strategy that revolutionized his team's successHow his assistant Jasmine now has 3x more listings than him (and why he's thrilled)His brutal honesty about the cancer scare he never shared publiclyThe morning routine that lets him work fewer hours while earning more Why he believes most real estate agents are playing the wrong game entirelyYou can watch us on ⁠Youtube ⁠Find us on ⁠Instagram⁠ Join us on ⁠Tik Tok ⁠Visit us on ⁠Website⁠Thank you so much for listening!

Joshua Charles went from earning $0 to more than the Prime Minister by age 24.Now at 51, he's facilitated $7.2 billion in commercial real estate transactions and reveals exactly how the game is played.What you'll discover:​The exact moment foreign investors stopped touching Victorian property (and the $100M opportunity it created)​How One Commercial beats billion-dollar firms using Instagram and TikTok​The $70M Alexandria property that went from "not for sale" to SOLD with one call​Why 50% of massive commercial deals happen completely off-market​The Marrickville deal that jumped from $200k to $1M commission (and why Joshua got $0)​How AI is replacing entire analyst teams and doing a week's work in 5 minutes​The specific Sydney suburbs about to explode…​Why he hired someone who memorized his coffee order and how attention to detail wins $100M deals.You can watch us on ⁠Youtube ⁠Find us on ⁠Instagram⁠ Join us on ⁠Tik Tok ⁠Visit us on ⁠Website⁠Thank you so much for listening!

Jacques Greeff just sold his second tech company for $180 million. But he's not celebrating - he's warning other business owners about what's coming next.After taking a year off to reflect on his massive exit, Jacques made a shocking decision: instead of retiring rich, he's diving back into the AI wars at 4:30am every morning. Why? Because he sees something most entrepreneurs are missing.In this raw conversation, Jacques shares the brutal truth about AI adoption, the hiring mistakes that kill startups, and why building a billion-dollar company is actually easier now than ever before (if you know the secret).What you'll discover:​The real reason 90% of businesses will fail in the AI transition​How one missed LinkedIn DM almost cost them $50 million in their exit​Why Jacques thinks traditional morning routines are complete BS for founders​The communication breakdown that's costing entrepreneurs millions ​His controversial take on why failure stats lie to aspiring founders​The family revelation that changed his entire approach to business​Why technical skills matter less than this one personality trait in hiring- How Frank's "cooked" inbox led to their next $1B opportunity ​The attention economy strategy they're using to build in public- Why he's documenting every failure on YouTube (even the embarrassing ones)You can watch us on ⁠Youtube ⁠Find us on ⁠Instagram⁠ Join us on ⁠Tik Tok ⁠Visit us on ⁠Website⁠Thank you so much for listening!

At 6 months old, Hung Chuy should have died at the bottom of the ocean. Thai military shot holes in his family's refugee boat and left them stranded at sea for a week with no food or water. Today, he owns over $20million in property and runs one of Australia's fastest-growing brokerages.This isn't your typical "rags to riches" story - it's a survival story that turned into a wealth empire. Hung went from nearly dying as a baby to making $400,000 at 19, then willingly took a $49,000 bank job to master the system from the inside.What you'll discover:​How his family survived being left to die at sea by military forces​The "scarcity mindset" that helped him negotiate everything (including his way to millions)​Why he walked away from $400K income to become a $49K bank teller​His "Da Vinci Code" for building wealth that banks don't want you to know​How he bought 10 properties in just 12 months (and why he's not stopping)​The real reason 150+ real estate agents trust him with their money​His controversial take on why financial planners are mostly uselessFrom sleeping in refugee camps to building a property empire - Hong's story proves that your worst circumstances can become your greatest strengths.But warning: his approach to wealth building will challenge everything you think you know about property investment.Ready to learn the system that took a refugee to $20M+?Watch until the end for his exact blueprint.You can watch us on ⁠Youtube ⁠Find us on ⁠Instagram⁠ Join us on ⁠Tik Tok ⁠Visit us on ⁠Website⁠Thank you so much for listening!

In this episode, Director of Place Kangaroo Point, Simon Caulfield unpacks how he’s built an office where top performers have their own identities—not “from Simon’s office”—and why the business must thrive without him. We get into pathways from 500k GCI to seven figures, case studies across high-volume vs high-value models, and Simon’s personal playbook: two champagne COI events a year, a “favorites” list he calls religiously, and being a present, trusted local over flashy ads. In this Simon shares lessons from moving upmarket (from $555k beginnings to KP’s top end), the difference between selling resi and selling the dream off-the-plan, and the player-coach balance of leading six team presentations a week while still listing and selling. He dives into Wolfpack Fridays, retaining top talent by giving them reasons to stay, using an AI recorder to capture meetings and train staff, and the three-corner support team (manager, coach, trainer). Above all: listen intently, play to your strengths, move the needle each year, and leave people in a better place than you found them.Topics covered: Building a business where agents thrive under their own brandsLeadership mindset: “Leave people in a better place”Pathways from 500k to $1M+ GCI and choosing the right modelCase studies: high-value vs high-volume strategiesSimon’s COI playbook: champagne events & “diamond” call listMoving upmarket: perception, results, and social proofResi vs off-the-plan: selling the dream before it existsPlayer–coach leadership and when to step back from listingWolfpack Fridays: training, collaboration, and shared challengesRetaining top talent with support, recognition, and carePractical AI for onboarding and process improvementLegacy: success measured by impact, not trophiesYou can watch us on ⁠Youtube ⁠Find us on ⁠Instagram⁠ Join us on ⁠Tik Tok ⁠Visit us on ⁠Website⁠Thank you so much for listening!

In this episode, Jonny Bell shares how he scaled Wingman and HouseMark using offshoring, technology, and strategic leadership to boost efficiency, revenue, and relationships. By combining onshore leadership with offshore support, Johnny frees his team to focus on high-value activities while transforming property management property managers now handle 250–300 properties each, compared to the usual 100–120, generating significant revenue gains.Jonny emphasises giving value first in business, being authentic, and building long-term relationships. He shares lessons on leadership, team empowerment, and leveraging data to help agents and businesses grow. For Johnny, success isn’t just financial—it’s about family, friendships, personal growth, and creating a life aligned with your values.From networking in New York to investing in AI and expanding internationally, Jonny’s journey is full of strategic moves and unexpected opportunities. He also reveals a key paradigm shift: focusing on what he can remove out of his diary each week, rather than just doing more.Topics covered:Jonny Bell’s journey building and scaling a property management business using offshoring and technologyExpanding Wingman with onshore leadership and offshore support: engineers, business analysts, and property management teamsLeveraging offshoring to increase efficiency: tenancy communication, trust accounting, lease renewals, arrears, and maintenance coordinationProperty managers managing 250–300 properties each versus the industry average of 100–120Boosting revenue: case studies showing extra $100,000+ per property manager annuallyStrategies for B2B relationship building: giving value first, authenticity, and long-term collaborationLeadership philosophy: understanding team strengths, coaching, and maximising potentialPersonal growth: lessons on avoiding mistakes, health, relationships, and strategic decision-makingExpanding Wingman internationally, including the US market and leveraging AIOffshoring applications for sales agents: marketing, contracts, pre-listing kits, data management, and buyer trackingNetworking and opportunity creation: the power of casual meetings and the “butterfly effect”Career advice: taking action, overcoming fear, and the cost of regret versus failureBalancing business growth with personal life, family, and friendshipsThe win-win-win model: benefiting property managers, business owners, and clients alikeJonny shares a surprising lesson from his early career that still guides his decisions todayYou can watch us on ⁠Youtube ⁠Find us on ⁠Instagram⁠ Join us on ⁠Tik Tok ⁠Visit us on ⁠Website⁠Thank you so much for listening!

In this powerhouse episode of Both Sides Podcast, we sit down with property investor, entrepreneur, and educator Sammy Gordon — founder of Australian Property Scout and School of Property, and co-host of Scouting Australia and Top 1%.From humble beginnings on a rabbit farm to building a portfolio of 134 properties worth over $60M, Sam’s story is one of relentless discipline, sharp strategy, and a deep commitment to helping others create financial freedom.We cover everything from his first property purchase at 19, to scaling a multi-million-dollar portfolio, to leading a 60-person team with the goal of retiring 500 Australians by 2030. Along the way, Sam shares the lessons that shaped his journey — the importance of delayed gratification, choosing the right mentors, avoiding bad advice, and focusing on the big picture.Whether you’re an aspiring property investor, a business owner, or simply someone chasing a bigger life, this conversation will leave you with the tools, mindset, and inspiration to make it happen.Topics Covered: Growing up on a rabbit farm and developing an early work ethicBuying his first property at 19 with no formal plan — and the moment that changed everythingHow a property magazine in a dentist’s waiting room became a life-changing turning pointBuilding from one property to 134+ through strategic, cashflow-positive investingLiving below his means (including driving a $5,000 car for 9 years) to fuel rapid portfolio growthThe shift from personal wealth-building to building a team and helping clients retire earlyWhy you shouldn’t take advice from people who haven’t done what you want to doThe APS mission to retire 500 Australians by 2030 — and the systems making it possibleThe reality of running multiple businesses while maintaining a clear vision for the futureSam’s perspective on risk, discipline, and why “slow and steady” beats chasing quick winsYou can watch us on ⁠Youtube ⁠Find us on ⁠Instagram⁠ Join us on ⁠Tik Tok ⁠Visit us on ⁠Website⁠Thank you so much for listening!

In this compelling episode of The Bothsides Podcast, we sit down with renowned entrepreneur, real estate leader, and motorsport enthusiast Shane Smollen. From a humble, working-class upbringing in Ipswich, Brisbane, to building a real estate empire with an enterprise value of over $70 million, Shane's journey is a testament to the power of growth, resilience, and staying true to your instincts.Shane shares his non-traditional blueprint for success—one that doesn't rely on rigid goals but instead centers around alignment, strategic thinking, and building powerful habits. We dive into his early days with McGrath, selling 10 offices in 2015, and how his love for motorsport parallels his approach to business and life.Whether you're an aspiring agent, entrepreneur, or simply navigating your own professional grid, Shane’s insights on composure, growth mindset, and performance under pressure will leave you inspired and ready to move the needle in your own journey.Guest: Shane Smollen – Entrepreneur, Investor, Former McGrath Sales Director, Motorsport Champion and current director of Central Elements Developments Topics Covered:Introduction to Shane Smollen and his $70M real estate successGrowing up in a working-class family and finding property by fateWhy Shane doesn’t believe in traditional goal settingPrinciples behind Shane’s “helicopter view” of life and decision-makingEarly career: Director of Sales at McGrath and private office ownershipLeaving corporate structure to follow alignment and autonomyMaking smart decisions without fixed goalsSelling his business and finding joy in helping others growMotorsport as a metaphor for business resilience and performanceComparing amateur and elite performance—what sits in the gap?How to identify weaknesses and turn them into habitsTrusting your instincts and becoming unconsciously competentReal estate’s human side vs. performance metricsComposure under pressure: advice for staying calm in chaosThe importance of practicing in business and not just consuming informationFollow Shane Smollen: @smollenmotorsportFollow Bothsides Podcast: @bothsides_podcast

At just 30 years old, Emily Davidson is a Director at Sotheby’s International Realty Paddington–Woollahra. She works alongside McLay Longhurst — ranked the number 4 agent in the country — as part of an elite business unit. But Emily is a powerhouse in her own right: managing a team, leading high-end deals, and carving her name into Sydney’s prestige market.In this episode, we unpack the story behind her rise:From growing up in Brisbane and losing her father at a young age...To moving to Sydney solo and building a reputation in one of the most competitive markets in the country.Emily opens up about what it really takes to succeed in real estate — the mindset, the discipline, the sacrifices, and the power of showing up with consistency, class, and confidence.Whether you're a young agent, entrepreneur, or someone chasing excellence — this episode is packed with insights, lessons, and raw inspiration from someone operating at the top of their game.

In this episode, we sit down with Anthony Bell OAM—Founder and CEO of Bell Partners, one of Australia’s top accounting firms and most respected business figures.A recipient of the Order of Australia Medal, Anthony is a true operator. Known for his loyalty, elite execution, and people-first leadership, he’s built a $100M+ business while serving some of the country’s biggest names—celebrities, high-net-worth individuals, and many of Australia’s leading real estate agencies.In this episode, we unpack the real story behind his success: • What it actually takes to build a $100M+ business • His blueprint for performance, leadership, and staying power in a competitive industry • How he creates loyalty, retention, and a fun, high-performing workplace culture • The hidden cost of success—and what most people never see • His philosophies on money, business, and investing • And how sailing, service, and stillness shaped the man behind the brandAnthony rarely shares this side of his journey. In this raw and honest conversation, he opens up about the pressure, the sacrifices, and what it truly takes to build something great.If you’re an entrepreneur chasing scale, clarity, or legacy—this is a masterclass.Hosted by Daniel Beardall, with special feature Josh Morrissey.

Will Phillips was one of Sydney’s top-performing real estate agents. Then, he walked away from it all.He sold everything. Moved to Byron Bay. And started again—no listings, no clients, no local brand.Within just a few years, he became the #1 agent in Byron and the entire Northern Rivers region.In this episode, Will breaks down the blueprint behind that reinvention:→ Why he left a thriving Sydney career behind→ How pressure drove his early success—and what replaced it→ The power of living below your means→ Systems, habits, and the mindset to rebuild from scratchWhether you’re at the top or at a crossroads, this is a masterclass in clarity, courage, and building aligned success.

Clayton Orrigo is New York’s #1 real estate agent and the co-founder of The Hudson Advisory Team — a business built on precision, brand, and elite execution.In this episode, Clayton breaks down the mindset behind his success:→ Why the highest-paid people are specialists→ The difference between surviving like a machine gun and thriving like a sniper→ How predictability becomes power→ Why “building a brand, not a name” is the key to longevity→ How visualisation, partnership, and boundaries fuel freedomWe also explore how he runs a tight ship, creates space for others to shine, and uses the mantra “Objections in motion stay in motion” to keep momentum alive.This one’s for anyone who’s playing to win — not just in real estate, but in life.Special thanks to Wingman for hosting us at their 2025 AREC stand.

Tobi Pearce built and exited his first business for $400 million. Now, his new venture is already tracking toward a billion-dollar valuation.But what sets Tobi apart isn’t just the numbers—it’s how he thinks.This episode goes deep into the operating system behind his success. It’s not motivation. It’s strategy. Structure. Systems.What we cover:• Why Tobi defines success before starting anything• How he strips 80% of unnecessary tasks from a calendar• Deep work vs fragmented productivity—how to win the long game• The truth about motivation (and what matters more)• Why top operators stay objective—even under pressure• Build vs partner: how to assess your skill gaps• The question he asks every hire—and why it cuts through fast• How he avoids hype and stays grounded in results• What it means to scale inside your edge, not outside itIf you’re serious about building something real—this mindset is gold.No noise. No fluff. Just frameworks for people who want to win.

What happens when everything you once identified with gets stripped away?In this deeply powerful and personal episode, Dan sits down with spiritual guide and sacred space facilitator Ben Borg to explore his transformation from rugby player to ceremonial healer. Ben shares how a life-altering injury, deep introspection, and experiences with plant medicine in Peru awakened him to a new way of living.They discuss:What "ceremony" really means in a modern contextThe life-changing impact of ayahuasca, wachuma, and breath-workWhy most people live disconnected and how to break freeLetting go of societal conditioning to discover purposeThe power of conscious relationships, fatherhood, and spiritual leadershipWhether you’ve sat in ceremony or are simply curious about the path of self-discovery, this episode will challenge your thinking and open your heart.🎧 Connect with Ben:Instagram: @_sacredbreathoflifeWebsite: www.tealsoulsacredbreathoflife.org