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WTF for Cities? is a platform to introduce and connect people who are actively and consciously working on the future of cities and to introduce research about the future of cities.
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Are you interested in existential risks?
Summary of the article titled Defence in depth against human extinction: prevention, response, resilience, and why they all matter from 2020 by Owen Cotton-Barratt, Max Daniel, and Anders Sandberg, published in the Global Policy journal.
This is a great preparation to our next interview with Anders Sandberg in episode 214 talking about the humanity’s existential risks, among others.
Since we are investigating the future of cities, I thought it would be interesting to see what can jeopardise humanity’s, and thus cities’ future. This article investigates the classification of existential risks to help prepare for those.
As the most important things, I would like to highlight 3 aspects:
To effectively manage extinction risks, it's essential to invest in three defence layers: prevention, response, and resilience, ensuring comprehensive risk management across different stages of potential catastrophic events.
Identifying and categorizing the origins and scaling mechanisms of risks, including natural disasters, technological advancements, and human actions, are crucial for developing targeted interventions and policy recommendations.
Strengthening global governance and cooperation among nations, alongside focusing on underlying risk factors such as global interdependencies, is vital for enhancing humanity's overall defences against existential threats.
Check out the article through this link.
Abstract: We look at classifying extinction risks in three different ways, which affect how we can intervene to reduce risk. First, how does it start causing damage? Second, how does it reach the scale of a global catastrophe? Third, how does it reach everyone? In all of these three phases there is a defence layer that blocks most risks: First, we can prevent catastrophes from occurring. Second, we can respond to catastrophes before they reach a global scale. Third, humanity is resilient against extinction even in the face of global catastrophes. The largest probability of extinction is posed when all of these defences are weak, that is, by risks we are unlikely to prevent, unlikely to successfully respond to, and unlikely to be resilient against. We find that it’s usually best to invest significantly into strengthening all three defence layers. We also suggest ways to do so tailored to the classes of risk we identify. Lastly, we discuss the importance of underlying risk factors – events or structural conditions that may weaken the defence layers even without posing a risk of immediate extinction themselves.
Connecting episodes you might be interested in:
No.088R - The costs and benefits of environmental sustainability;
No.101R - What we owe the future?;
You can find the transcript through this link.
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Are you interested in space cities? What do you think about people as the urban nervous system? How can we create better futures with intention?
Trailer for episode 214 - interview with Anders Sandberg, Senior Research Fellow at the Future of Humanity Institute at the University of Oxford. We talk about his vision for the future of cities, smart city, augmented reality, physical laws influencing planning, and many more.
Find out more in the episode.
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"Data is becoming the most valuable asset of the 21st century."
Are you interested in the future of cities as the future of humanity? What do you think about space exploration as the next evolutionary step? How can we think about the smart city as an outcome?
Interview with Dr Jonathan Reichental, CEO of Human Future, professor and advisor. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, smart city, uncontrollable progress, autonomous vehicles, kids books, and many more.
Dr. Jonathan Reichental is a multiple-award-winning technology and business leader whose career has spanned both the private and public sectors. He’s been a senior software engineering manager, a director of technology innovation, and has served as chief information officer at both O’Reilly Media and the City of Palo Alto, California. Reichental is currently the founder of advisory, investment, and education firm, Human Future, and also creates online education for LinkedIn Learning. He has written three books on the future of cities: Smart Cities for Dummies, Exploring Smart Cities Activity Book for Kids, and Exploring Cities Bedtime Rhymes. His latest books include Data Governance for Dummies and a Cryptocurrency QuickStart Guide.
Find out more about Jonathan:
Jonathan Reichental on LinkedIn;
@Reichental as Jonathan Reichental on X;
Jonathan Reichental website
Human Future website;
Smart Cities for Dummies;
Exploring Smart Cities Activity Book for Kids;
Exploring Cities Bedtime Rhymes;
Exploring Cities Bedtime Rhymes Hindi Edition;
Data Governance for Dummies;
Cryptocurrency QuickStart Guide;
Connecting episodes you might be interested in:
No.101R - What we owe the future (book summary);
No.174 - Interview with Aapo Huovila about smart and sustainable cities;
No.211R - Smart cities for dummies;
What wast the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.
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Are you interested in smart city implementation?
Summary of the book titled Smart Cities for Dummies from 2020 by Jonathan Reichental.
This is a great preparation to our next interview with Jonathan Reichental in episode 212 talking about smart city as an outcome.
Since we are investigating the future of cities, I thought it would be interesting to see how to implement smart cities. This book investigates the concept of smart cities and the steps required to establish one.
As the most important things, I would like to highlight 3 aspects:
Smart cities enhance urban living by leveraging technology for sustainability and efficiency, focusing on innovations in transportation, energy, waste management, and climate response.
The implementation of smart city initiatives requires flexible planning, broad stakeholder engagement, and adaptability, with a step-by-step approach from setting goals to executing solutions.
Smart cities prioritize robust data governance and management, with an emphasis on using data effectively for improving city operations, decision-making, and enhancing residents' quality of life.
Find the book through this link.
Connecting episodes you might be interested in:
No.003 - Interview with Frans-Anton Vermast about Amsterdam Smart City;
No.028R - Enhancing sustainable urban development through smart city applications;
No.090 - Interview with Matthew McCartney about African urban evolution
You can find the transcript through this link.
What wast the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.
I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.
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Trailer for episode 212 - interview with Dr Jonathan Reichental, CEO of Human Future, professor and advisor. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, smart city, uncontrollable progress, autonomous vehicles, kids books, and many more.
Find out more in the episode.
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"We need to be the change we want to see."
Are you interested in regenerative economy? What do you think about best practice versus next practice? How can we properly preserve urban cultures?
Interview with Pearl Ng, the Head of Smart City, Innovation and Improvement at City of Casey. We talk about her vision for the future of cities, urban collaboration, good intentions, equal opportunities, and many more.
Pearl Ng is an experienced consultant committed to drive digital innovation through research, community engagement and professional development activities. Her mission is to be a catalyst for positive change by creating an enduring legacy, inspiring others to unleash their full potential, championing women in STEM, and using innovative strategy to shape our future cities.
Find out more about Pearl through these links:
Pearl Ng on LinkedIn;
Smart City at City of Casey;
Australian Smart Communities Association website;
Connecting episodes you might be interested in:
No.090 - Interview with Professor Matthew McCartney about the connection between economy and cities;
No.105 - Interview with Richard Morrison about NEOM from the engineering perspective;
No.186 - Interview with Tom Bosschaert about planned cities;
No.209R - Regenerative Economics
What wast the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.
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Are you interested in indicators for regenerative economics?
Summary of the book chapter titled Regenerative economies: a new approach towards sustainability from 2020 by Yashi Jain, part of No Poverty book, published as part of the Encyclopedia of the UN Sustainable Development Goals book series.
This is a great preparation to our next interview with Pearl Ng in episode 210 talking about the different economy types.
Since we are investigating the future of cities, I thought it would be interesting to see what regenerative economy means. This chapter investigates the history of regenerative economics and its connection to sustainability.
As the most important things, I would like to highlight 3 aspects:
Regenerative economics advocates for a paradigm shift towards sustainability by nurturing interconnected networks that respect Earth's resources, focusing on holistic development beyond mere profit.
Regenerative economics emphasizes the application of principles from natural ecosystems to economic systems, promoting self-organization, resilience, and a proactive approach to addressing environmental and social issues.
The regenerative approach calls for a fundamental redesign of the economy to prioritize resource efficiency, localized economies, and cooperative over competitive practices, aiming to regenerate ecosystems and communities for a sustainable future.
You can find the chapter through this link, and the book through this.
Connecting episodes you might be interested in:
No.090 - Interview with Matthew McCartney about economics and the city;
No.171 - Interview with Nicole Garofano about circular economy;
You can find the transcript through this link.
What wast the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.
I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.
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Trailer for episode 210 - interview with Pearl Ng, the Head of Smart City, Innovation and Improvement at City of Casey. We talk about her vision for the future of cities, urban collaboration, good intentions, equal opportunities, and many more.
Find out more in the episode.
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"Smartness is dependent on the performance of the city."
Are you interested in resilience as thinking in activities? What do you think about the city as the place of innovation? How can we the sustainability pillars – economic, environmental and social aspects in a concentric way?
Interview with Professor Rudolf Giffinger, urban and regional development expert. We talk about his vision for the future of cities, smart cities, resilience, sustainability, thinking in activities, and many more.
Professor Dr. Rudolf Giffinger is a renowned expert in urban and regional development. With a background in Geography from the University of Vienna and further specialization in Regional Science and Urban Studies, Rudolf has extensively contributed to the study of urban decay, smart city development, and housing market dynamics. His work, emphasizing sustainable and resilient urban planning through ICT, has been published in numerous books and journals, establishing him as a leading figure in his field. He has held prestigious roles, including the head of the Centre for Urban and Regional Research at the Vienna University of Technology, and garnered international recognition with his publications on smart city and resilient urban development. Despite retirement, his influence continues through teaching and ongoing scholarly contributions.
Find out more about Rudolf through these links:
Rudolf Giffinger on LinkedIn;
Rudolf Giffinger on Google Scholar;
Rudolf Giffinger at the Vienna University of Technology;
Rudolf Giffinger at the European Smart Cities;
Connecting episodes you might be interested in:
No.001 - Smart Cities – Ranking of European medium-sized cities;
No.090 - Interview with Matthew McCartney about urban externalities;
No.156 - Interview with Fanni Melles about urban differences;
No.207R - Defining indicator systems for liveable cities;
What wast the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.
I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.
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Are you interested in indicators for liveable cities?
Summary of the book chapter titled Defining indicator systems for liveable cities from 2023 by Rudolf Giffinger and Hans Kamar, part of The Future of Liveable Cities book, published by Springer Nature.
This is a great preparation to our next interview with Professor Rudolf Giffinger in episode 208 talking about smart and liveable cities.
Since we are investigating the future of cities, I thought it would be interesting to see what indicator systems we can use for liveable cities. This book chapter investigates what is involved in liveability and proposes a framework with a dual approach to capture the static and dynamic aspects of urban liveability.
As the most important things, I would like to highlight 3 aspects:
Urbanization challenges cities to become innovative and resilient, integrating smart city technologies and sustainable development practices to address economic, environmental, and social pressures.
The "liveable cities" concept emphasizes sustainability, smart innovation, and resilience, focusing on efficiency, adaptability, and enhancing the quality of life through community and technological integration.
Developing liveability indicators requires a multidimensional approach that captures both static and dynamic aspects of urban development, necessitating a mix of quantitative and qualitative measures to assess and guide urban policies effectively.
You can find the chapter through this link.
Connecting episodes you might be interested in:
No.001R - Smart Cities – Ranking of European medium-sized cities;
No.131R - Inventing Future Cities (book summary);
No.139R_The landscape and evolution of urban planning science;
You can find the transcript through this link.
What wast the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.
I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.
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Are you interested in resilience as thinking in activities? What do you think about the city as the place of innovation? How can we the sustainability pillars – economic, environmental and social aspects in a concentric way?
Trailer for episode 208 - interview with Professor Rudolf Giffinger, urban and regional development expert. We talk about his vision for the future of cities, smart cities, resilience, sustainability, thinking in activities, and many more.
Find out more in the episode.
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"For me the future is what can I change, what can I influence."
Are you interested in the future of cities as the notion of what the individual can change? What do you think about integrated approaches? How can we save character but create inclusion?
Interview with Amir Hussain, founder and CEO of Yeme Tech. We talk about his vision for the future of cities, the city as a place serving needs, the real estate bubble, integration, and many more.
As Founder CEO of Yeme Tech, Amir Hussain has developed data-led, solutions which enhance place and asset-based uplift using ESG benchmarking systems. Amir's personal experience of living within a polarised and disadvantaged community, forms a strong understanding of challenging places. Amir is a regular contributor to national and regional policy debates as well as leading objective discussions about exclusion and polarisation. As a Partner in solutions-driven Corporate Fund - ONG Capital, Amir brings a strong understanding of commercial deliverability using transformative large-scale projects particularly in Tier 2 places.
Find out more about Amir through these links:
Amir Hussain on LinkedIn;
@get_yeme as Yeme Tech on X;
Yeme Tech website;
Yeme Tech on LinkedIn;
Yeme Tech on Instagram;
Amir Hussain at Bradford Means Business;
Connecting episodes you might be interested in:
No.129 - Interview with Alan Donegan about urban situation influencing business;
No.182 - Interview with Ted Baillieu about the challenges of retrofitting
No.205R - Role of urban planning standards in improving lifestyle in a sustainable system;
What wast the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.
I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.
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Are you interested in how urban planning can improve lifestyles?
Summary of the article titled Role of urban planning standards in improving lifestyle in a sustainable system from 2023 by Abdullah Addas, published in the Sustainability journal.
This is a great preparation to our next interview with Amir Hussain in episode 206 talking about improving the urban experience through social approaches.
Since we are investigating the future of cities, I thought it would be interesting to see how new indicators measure urbanization developments regarding land use and neighbourhoods. This article proposes urban planning standards and transitions to improve the living quality in a sustainable residential area.
As the most important things, I would like to highlight 3 aspects:
There is a critical need for comprehensive urban planning standards to address the lack of essential services in residential areas, improving living and health conditions.
Focusing on creating a sustainable and compact urban model that prioritises green spaces and public services can prevent suburban sprawl.
Integrating green spaces into urban development is important to balance between built-up areas and accessible green spaces, enhancing urban living quality.
You can find the article through this link.
Abstract: The current study aims to propose urban planning standards and urban sustainability transitions to improve the living quality in a sustainable residential area. The planning of urban standards plays a vital role in improving the quality of living in any city. We present the intensity of land exploitation per inhabitant and the social infrastructure to determine a reasonable relationship between the housing development and the green spaces, type of services and indicators by considering the minimum requirement in establishing new sustainable systems and infrastructures. The research provides an in-depth analysis of urbanization developments through various indicators and addresses the exploitation of land use and the future of neighborhoods. New indicators have been developed, which include: the demographic indicators of demand for basic educational infrastructure depending on the current forecast; indicators to determine the exact space required for new infrastructure; academic indicators for each age group (i.e., nursery, preschool, junior and senior); and the minimum required urban green spaces (i.e., public parks, recreational areas and housing developments). The paper compares the proposed required areas and the standard area requirement according to the number of residents per hectare. It also considers the weighted average number of stories to the shared area in a plot. The research also develops a relationship between the proposed development intensity and the percentage share in the plot area, which provides the built-up area and the green area with leisure facilities. Then, we present the share in the plot area, calculated according to current indicators.
Connecting episodes you might be interested in:
No.162 - Interview with Warren Hill about the role of standards;
173R_Comparative analysis of standardized indicators for Smart sustainable cities;
You can find the transcript through this link.
What wast the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.
I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.
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Trailer for episode 206 - interview with Amir Hussain, founder and CEO of Yeme Tech. We talk about his vision for the future of cities, the city as a place serving needs, the real estate bubble, integration, and many more.
Find out more in the episode.
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Smartness is "making decisions with a range of credible information with as little bias as possible for the benefit of people and the future in mind."
Are you interested in carbon management solutions for individuals and small businesses ? What do you think about carbon elephant? How can we change the system we reside in?
Interview Josh Dry, Director of Business Development at Cogo. We talk about his vision for the future of cities, resilience, responsible land and property management, bank involvement in sustainability, and many more.
As the Director of Business Development at Cogo, Josh Dry provides carbon measurement and climate action solutions that help financial institutions throughout North America, Asia and the Pacific to help their business and retail customers understand, measure, and reduce their impact on people and the planet.
Find out more about Josh through these links:
Josh Dry on LinkedIn;
@1joshdry as Josh Dry on X;
Cogo website;
Cogo on LinkedIn;
Cogo on YouTube;
What's YOUR contribution to life? by Josh Dry on the Cogo website;
Josh Dry on the Terra Nova Earth Talks podcast;
Connecting episodes you might be interested in:
No.003 - Interview with Frans-Anton Vermast about Amsterdam Smart City project;
No.165 - Interview with Michael Healy about Smart Christchurch
No.177 - Interview with Amelia Gaskill about climate anxiety propelling career change;
No.203R - Too risky - The role of finance as a driver of sustainability transitions;
What wast the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.
I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.
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Are you interested in the role of finance for sustainability?
Our summary today works with the article titled Too risky – The role of finance as a driver of sustainability transitions from 2022 by Björn Nykvist and Aaron Matlais, published in the Environmental Innovation and Societal Transitions journal.
This is a great preparation to our next interview with Josh Dry in episode 204 talking about efforts to transform the financial sector.
Since we are investigating the future of cities, I thought it would be interesting to see how transitions towards sustainability can be mirrored in the financial sector. This article investigates what motivates the sector and how to govern a faster transition.
As the most important things, I would like to highlight 3 aspects:
Sustainable and ethical investing, notably with the rise of ESG criteria, positions the finance sector as a pivotal force in driving sustainable economic transitions.
The integration of finance in sustainability transitions, especially in sectors like renewable energy, requires clear policy directions and innovative public-private partnerships to overcome inherent risk aversion.
Sweden's leadership in sustainable finance, especially through green bonds, demonstrates its role as a positive example for financial sustainability efforts globally.
You can find the article through this link.
Abstract: The finance sector has a long track record of engaging with sustainability issues, and policymakers and sector representatives agree that a transition to sustainability needs to be mirrored by rapidly expanding financing. Based on in-depth interviews with a broad range of actors in the Swedish finance sector, we show that despite a strong recognition of the challenges, the sector remains cautious towards risk. We explore what motivates the sector and how to govern a faster transition and find that informants strongly believe that the sector cannot move any faster without further government intervention. The preferred policy is the use of generic tools such as CO2 taxes, or for the government to step in and mitigate the risk. We conclude that a more ambitious narrative on how the private and public sector can collaborate to share risk is needed, as it is unlikely that the finance sector will lead the way.
Connecting episodes you might be interested in:
No.088R - The cost and benefits of environmental sustainability;
No.161R - The perception of the quality of smart city solutions;
You can find the transcript through this link.
What wast the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.
I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.
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Are you interested in carbon management solutions for individuals and small businesses ? What do you think about carbon elephant? How can we change the system we reside in?
Trailer for the episode 204 - interview Josh Dry, Director of Business Development at Cogo. We talk about his vision for the future of cities, resilience, responsible land and property management, bank involvement in sustainability, and many more.
Find out more in the episode.
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"I don't think we can keep balancing things out, we have to try actually being better."
Are you interested in how the HVAC industry is contributing to climate change? What do you think about carbon offsetting? How can we create the right balanced circular economy?
Interview with Sam Ringwaldt, the CEO and co-founder of Conry Tech. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, public transport as technology, the shifting collective mind, localised living, and many more.
Sam Ringwaldt is a HVAC industry expert who has been a global champion for energy efficiency and sustainability in the built environment for over 20 years. Sam helped develop and brought to market world leading technologies such as the Turbocor compressor and Smardt chillers, which revolutionised the industry and delivered unparalleled energy and emissions savings. Frustrated by the constraints of current HVAC systems, Sam is now reinventing air-conditioning as the CEO & Co-founder of Conry Tech to make comfort sustainable, as comfort is currently responsible for 15% of Global energy related emissions.
Find out more about Sam through these links:
Sam Ringwaldt on LinkedIn;
as Sam Ringwaldt on X;
Conry Tech website;
Sam Ringwaldt at Conry Tech;
Conry Tech on LinkedIn;
Sam Ringwaldt at Research Commercialisation Global Town Hall;
Sam Ringwaldt on the Products with Purpose podcast;
Sam Ringwaldt about coming back to Australia at Forbes;
Sam Ringwaldt about funds in Australia at GovTechReview;
Sam Ringwaldt on SBS News about Global Cooling Pledge;
Sam Ringwaldt on Ecogeneration;
Sam Ringwaldt on Electrical Comms Data;
Connecting episodes you might be interested in:
No.171 - Interview with Nicole Garofano about circular economy;
No.196 - Interview with Alan Pears about emissions;
No.201R - Wreaking HVAC on our planet;
What wast the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.
I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.
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Are you interested in how our comfort contributes to climate change?
Summary of the white paper titled Wreaking HVAC on our planet – A Conry Tech report on the impact of comfort on our planet and the scale of the problem by Sam Ringwaldt, published on the Conry Tech website.
This is a great preparation to our next panel conversation with Sam Ringwaldt in episode 202 about the opportunities in air conditioning.
Since we are investigating the future of cities, I thought it would be interesting to see how heating, ventilation and air-conditioning contributes to pollution. This report proves the scale of the problem and solutions through better systems and energy efficiency.
As the most important things, I would like to highlight 3 aspects:
The HVAC industry is a significant contributor to global CO2 emissions, with its impact expected to grow as demand for air conditioning triples by 2050 due to rising global temperatures.
Energy-efficient technologies and renewable energy sources, including heat pumps, can substantially reduce the environmental impact of HVAC, but their adoption is currently insufficient.
Immediate global action and stricter regulations are necessary to transition to energy-efficient air conditioning, which could lead to significant reductions in CO2 emissions and support the shift to renewable energy.
Find the paper through this link.
Connecting episodes you might be interested in:
No.120 - Interview with Matt Ferrell about renewable energy solutions;
No.196 - Interview with Alan Pears about urban energy and emissions;
You can find the transcript through this link.
What wast the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.
I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.
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Are you interested in how the HVAC industry is contributing to climate change? What do you think about carbon setting? How can we create the right balanced circular economy?
Trailer for episode 202 - interview with Sam Ringwaldt, the CEO and co-founder of Conry Tech. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, public transport as technology, the shifting collective mind, localised living, and many more.
Find out more in the interview!
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