The Out of the Cave Podcast

In this episode, Lisa and group coaching alum, Diane, explore her  journey from religiously shaped body image and emotional eating to trauma-informed healing. They discuss the cycles of restriction and shame, leaving a rigid church, identity reframing, somatic practices, mindful eating, acceptance, and setting boundaries. Through the coaching program, Diane learned reconnection, safety, empowerment over control, and differentiating physical vs. emotional hunger, leading to sustainable behavior change and autonomy.Topics Include:Religious UpbringingDiet CultureEmotional Healing Healthy Relationship with Food[0:56] Lisa introduces her former client, Diane, who identifies as a mother of four daughters, separated for over two years after a 28-year marriage, employed full-time, and at peace with current life circumstances. Diane discusses discovering Lisa via Instagram and the podcast and realizing she was missing the mind-body connection, and realizing she was an emotional eater.[07:00] Lisa and Diane dive into her childhood in a legalistic church and school with strict gender roles and dress codes. Diane shares that although she was sheltered from mainstream media, she still received strong body-related messaging within family and church contexts. Diane talks about how she internalized that body size relates to being ‘good enough’ and ‘put together,’ affecting perceived worth.[13:47] Diane shares with Lisa that she was molested as a child and that she realized later in life, after going to therapy,  that being called to the dining room for dinner felt safe, linking food/mealtimes with safety. Lisa acknowledges the magnitude of this trauma and its under-discussed influence on emotional eating.[18:30] Diane explains that her faith emphasized doing for others and suppressing personal feelings, leaving her without a safe space to express emotions. Lisa validates that lack of safety often leads people to use food for comfort and safety. Diane discusses joining Weight Watchers, counting points, and walking with her mom at the age of 15. Diane shares that despite not being morbidly overweight, she perceived herself as heavier and felt compelled to diet.[30:50] Lisa and Diane discuss how the unfair treatment after the hospital birth of her fourth child, led her to begin questioning her upbringing and church practices. Diane shares how during a family trip to the mountains, she knew she could not return or send children back to church school. Lisa and Diane examine how other diet programs can provide useful nutrition literacy but often entrench perfectionism and good/bad food dichotomies.[51:39] Lisa and Diane discuss her journey to the Out of the Cave group coaching program and how an early module helped Diane reframe her thinking to ‘I am a soul, I have a body,’ catalyzing significant perspective change and reconnection. They discuss how this reframing identity fosters self-compassion and opens a path to address emotional roots of eating.[1:12:43] Lisa and Diane talk about the lessons she learned during the group coaching program that have helped her learn to cope with her feelings and make different decisions in learning to feel her feelings and choosing herself. Lisa and Diane wrap up the episode by discussing how the program’s permission-based eating avoids shame and restriction, fostering empowered choices aligned with bodily signals.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

This episode features a conversation between Lisa and Jenny, a former OOTC client, about her long-term journey of healing her relationship with food and her body. Together, Lisa and Jenny cover the integration of mind-body practices, shifting from outcome-based goals to behavior-focused intentions, and the importance of self-compassion. They explore finding a balanced, individual approach to health and fitness, moving beyond the extremes of diet and anti-diet cultures, and building self-trust through compassionate action.Topics Include:Healing and Self-CompassionPersonal GrowthDiet and Anti-Diet Culture[1:06] Lisa introduces her former client, Jenny, who has returned to the podcast to discuss an email from Jenny describing her progress years after a coaching program. She reported no longer stressing about food, focusing on nutrition, enjoying social eating, improved sleep, and effortless weight loss by internalizing the program's principles over time. [07:27] Jenny aims to share what daily life looks like after these principles are integrated, offering a tangible perspective for listeners who are currently on their own journey and may be questioning the process. Jenny talks about how her journey started around 2021-2022, prompted by feeling disconnected from her body post-pandemic. Jenny shares that the first step was a small, consistent change: a daily dog walk and how this was a conscious decision to listen to her body rather than reverting to unsustainable diet and exercise regimes.[13:20] Lisa and Jenny discuss how her health goals have evolved from rigid, outcome-based targets (e.g., losing a specific amount of weight) to flexible, behavior-focused intentions. Jenny talks about actions that enhance overall well-being, such as mood and sleep, with weight loss being an acceptable but not primary outcome. Lisa talks about how health is measured by a multi-dimensional chart that includes mental, emotional, social, and physical aspects. Lisa and Jenny discuss how this approach encourages prioritizing different areas of health as needed, ensuring that physical goals do not overshadow emotional or social well-being, leading to a more integrated and balanced life.[23:52] Lisa and Jenny explore moving beyond the rigid doctrines of both diet culture and the reactive anti-diet culture and the key is to find a personal "middle ground" by assessing which behaviors feel safe on an individual level. Jenny explains how radical self-honesty is crucial to determine what is genuinely supportive for one's well-being, rather than applying blanket rules.[40:15] Jenny talks about how a sustainable health journey is not linear and that building self-trust over time allows for flexibility and resilience. Lisa and Jenny discuss that consistency is redefined not as perfection, but as the commitment to return to your practice after a break, viewing rest as part of the process rather than a failure. Lisa and Jenny explore how building trust with oneself is achieved by repeatedly honoring commitments and taking action, not just through kind self-talk. They also discuss how the 'pause' is an important tool to either reflect on resistance or decide to proceed with the action regardless of feeling.[1:13:25] Lisa and Jenny discuss the importance of recognizing oneself as a whole human with mental, emotional, and spiritual parts, not just a physical body. Lisa and Jenny highlight celebrating the win of choosing to listen to one's body and go home when tired, even if a planned workout is incomplete. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

In this follow-up episode, Lisa returns to further discuss what was left unsaid — the complicated truths about losing weight and intentional weight loss. Together with Theresa, Lisa explores the messy middle between diet culture’s false promises and anti-diet absolutes. Lisa and Theresa confront how weight loss can bring both relief and complications, revealing a more holistic path toward healing, nuance, and self-trust.Topics Include:The Messy MiddleSocial Stigma and SafetyIntentional Weight Loss vs. DietingFierce Self-Compassion[1:06] Lisa is once again interviewed by Theresa, a member of the 'Out of the Cave' community. Lisa felt that a couple of weeks of reflection revealed two key areas that were left unsaid. She feels nervous but compelled to discuss them for authenticity and to have a more complete conversation. [08:24] Lisa opens the discussion on the 'messy' and 'uncomfortable' truth that weight loss can have real benefits. She notes that this is a topic often avoided or resisted by the anti-diet movement, but she feels it's crucial to address the nuance and her own experiences with it. Research and data consistently show that for individuals with conditions like morbid obesity on the BMI chart, weight loss can lead to both physical and emotional benefits, thereby improving their quality of life.[18:24] Lisa discusses the 'complicated truth,' using her own experience of losing 150 pounds as an example. While she would have reported a higher quality of life at the time, she was also dissociated, starving, and her body was failing which wasn't part of that assessment. Reflecting on a group discussion about Oprah's Ozempic special, she recalls a member criticizing the show for implying life is better if you're not overweight. Lisa's internal conflict was acknowledging that 'sometimes it is' better.[20:18] Theresa points out the false promises from both extremes: diet culture suggests losing weight will fix all problems, while anti-diet culture suggests that abandoning restriction will do the same. She believes the truth is more complex. Lisa agrees with Theresa, stating the nuanced truth is the 'middle ground.' Diet culture says weight loss solves all problems, anti-diet culture says it solves none, but the reality is that it might solve some problems, which is a significant distinction.[48:15] Lisa describes her recent experience returning to a weight she hadn't been at for a decade, in a healthy, sustainable way without negative side effects like hair loss or fatigue. Theresa asks Lisa about the difference between dieting and intentional weight loss. Lisa describes dieting as often extreme, one-size-fits-all, and lacks bio-individuality. Lisa explains that intentional weight loss is flexible and accounts for real life. It follows a 'two steps forward, one step back' model, where gaining weight from a vacation is part of the plan, not a failure. This prevents the 'all or nothing' mindset.[1:06:37] Lisa explains that when you first start something, it's always hard, sloppy, and messy, just like learning to tie your shoes for the first time. But with practice, it will become a habit that doesn't require conscious thought. Lisa discusses how intentional weight loss is not impossible, but it requires "fierce self-compassion" and emotional work as the first step. [1:13:37] Lisa and Theresa wrap up the episode by expressing that this new approach, positioned between the typical anti-diet and pro-diet mentalities, is refreshing, different, and 'amazing.' Theresa believes the world may now be ready for this perspective. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

In this episode, Lisa is interviewed by Out of the Cave (OOTC) community member, Theresa. Lisa discusses her professional and academic work, including her doctorate in social work and upcoming programs. The core of the conversation focuses on healing one's relationship with food through self-reparenting, applying the Division of Responsibility framework, and the evolution of eating disorder treatment. Lisa also shares insights from her trauma-informed clinical program and her vision for the OOTC community.Topics Include:Reparenting through foodSatter’s Division of ResponsibilityDoctorate of Social Work ProgramFuture of the OOTC Program[0:32] Lisa is interviewed by Theresa, a member of the Out of the Cave community. The idea was suggested by Theresa, who was inspired by a similar episode from years prior. Lisa discusses concurrently managing her business and pursuing a Doctorate in Social Work (DSW). Lisa talks about the final cohort of her group coaching program and hosting a retreat at the Omega Institute in September 2025, which she considers a significant career milestone. [8:48] Theresa asks Lisa to rephrase the concept 'using food is the means with which we learn to repair ourselves' in a way that is understandable to those not familiar with the specialized vocabulary of the OOTC community. Lisa explains that the relationship with food serves as a mechanism for learning how to "reparent" or take care of oneself. This encompasses a physical dimension, which involves taking full responsibility for one's nutrition—planning, purchasing, preparing, and eating meals. She explains that it also involves an emotional dimension, which is the ability to manage the feelings that surface when changing eating habits, such as guilt or fear. This approach requires self-compassion and the capacity to sit with discomfort, embodying a form of loving discipline for one's own well-being.[22:31] Lisa and Theresa discuss Satter’s Division of Responsibility as a framework for establishing healthy eating boundaries. In this model, a parent is responsible for what, when, and where food is provided, and the child is responsible for how much and whether they eat.  Lisa talks about how this concept was personally transformative for helping her understand her own lifelong issues with food.[38:52] Theresa and Lisa discuss her doctorate program. Lisa explains that the curriculum in the trauma-informed clinical program is highly validating, as it covers topics like the Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) study, the neurobiology of trauma, polyvagal theory, and mindfulness, which are central to her own teaching and coaching. Lisa about how the experience confirms the validity of her approach. They discuss how the program provides deeper insight into the academic language and research methodologies used in the field. Lisa shares learning the distinction between 'emotional eating' and 'external eating' (environmental triggers for eating) and becoming familiar with formal screening tools and terminology used in academic literature. Lisa and Theresa examine how the conversation around eating disorders is moving from a polarized state of 'diet culture' versus 'anti-diet culture' to a more nuanced approach. [55:20] Lisa and Theresa wrap up the episode with a discussion of the future for Out of the Cave. They talk about the potential directions of continuing groups and retreats, publishing research, writing, teaching, and working with different demographics like children and families. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

In this episode, Lisa and guest expert Jenn Trepeck break down some of the most common myths and challenges around food and health. Together they dive into practical ways to make intentional eating feel less overwhelming, from writing meals down to using alarms as training wheels for new habits. Jenn also clarifies the role of carbohydrates, highlighting the importance of fiber-rich fruits and vegetables and how to balance starches for stable blood sugar.Topics Include:Intentional EatingIntermittent FastingSustainable Weight Management Mindful Nutrition[1:50] Lisa discusses the value of aligning with guests whose lived experience mirrors the struggles of her audience, making space for authentic and relatable conversations and asks Jenn to introduce herself. Jenn Trepeck is a health coach and host of the podcast Salad with a Side of Fries, came to wellness through her own “saga” of dieting and body struggles. After years on the weight-loss roller coaster, discovered an approach that transformed her relationship with food and inspired her to coach others. Since 2019, she’s been helping people reclaim their health and freedom around food through her practice and podcast.[12:41] Lisa asks Jen to elaborate on what she learned that she now teaches. Lisa notes that her teaching usually focuses on the mental/emotional side of food, and Jen's perspective on the physical/biological aspect is a valuable addition. Lisa and Jenn discuss how many food cravings are not about willpower but about biology, often driven by low blood sugar and how once she understood this, her choices became less emotional and more about listening to her body’s needs. Lisa talks about how what people often call “emotional eating” is frequently under-fueling throughout the day, which creates confusion and guilt.[15:38] Lisa and Jenn talk about how effective weight management is achieved by maintaining balanced blood sugar levels. Jenn uses a grocery store conveyor belt analogy to explain blood sugar. When food comes at a steady pace, insulin carries fuel properly, but spikes or dips push excess into fat storage. Lisa thinks this analogy is a powerful way to show how simple shifts in timing and balance can create stability rather than shame around food.[29:11] Jenn provides a framework for eating that focuses on food quality and uses hand measurements for portion sizes, rather than counting calories or macros. She believes that if the food is of high quality, the body can regulate the quantity on its own. This approach promotes balance without the need for restrictive counting.[44:09] Lisa acknowledges that being mindful about meal timing, size, and content is crucial for stability but represents a significant mental block for many people, as it can feel overwhelming to take on this responsibility. Jenn suggests writing down what you eat and when you eat it on paper to free up mental capacity. She explains that using alarms as reminders to check for hunger can also help with planning.[55:06] Jenn reminds listeners that not all carbohydrates are equal. Our meals should prioritize fiber-rich carbohydrates from vegetables and fruits. Jenn suggests that a healthy approach to weight focuses on "fat removal" and improving body composition rather than just lowering the number on the scale. [1:10:46] Lisa and Jenn wrap up the episode by discussing Jenn’s typical meals and how listeners can find Jenn. Jenn’s podcast, Salad with a Side of Fries |  Website | Instagram.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 

In this episode, Lisa sits down with Ann, a 71-year-old artist, dancer, and healer, who opens up about her lifelong journey with food, body image, and emotional healing. Ann takes us through the ups and downs of living in a body that often felt like both a battleground and a refuge. Through movement, dance, and the support of the OOTC community, she has found profound transformation—especially through her time in the Out of the Cave program.Topics Include:Food and Family DynamicsAdolescence and Body Shame   Movement as HealingCommunity and Support[:35] Lisa encourages listeners to register for the Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute from September 7-12, 2025 and to sign up for the final group coaching cohort starting in September.[4:45] Ann introduces herself as a 71-year-old artist from Seattle. Her professional life has centered on performing and healing arts, including movement, dance, theater, and massage therapy. She expresses a deep curiosity about the human experience and the mind-body connection. Lisa and Ann discuss her childhood memories of food. Ann shares her earliest memory wasn’t about food but being 3 years old hiding in a cupboard with brown sugar. Ann remembers being a picky eater with little interest in food.  [9:29] Ann describes dinner times as tense due to her father’s presence. Ann talks about eating alone because of the tension at the table. Ann describes her struggles with body image, as she started linking her self-worth to her physical appearance during her teenage years. Lisa and Ann discuss how high school brought challenges with weight gain and body image, intensified by the school newspaper promoting an ‘ideal’ female figure. [20:35] Ann shares how her career as an aerobics instructor in her mid-20s prompted an understanding of food as fuel for performance. She describes how this period of high physical activity and improved nutrition led to enhanced mental clarity, an end to a long-term depression, and a return to college. Lisa and Ann talk about how the death of her father and subsequent diagnosis of her mother with cancer further compounded a period of profound grief and depression, resulting in significant weight gain from emotional eating and decreased physical activity. [31:29] Ann talks about how after her mother’s passing, she rediscovered dance through a mind-body practice called Nia. Ann became a Nia instructor for 13 years. Ann discovered that when she engaged in the movement she loved, her eating habits would improve.[41:50] Lisa and Ann discuss how in the summer of 2023, she was on a very restrictive diet, which made her angry at herself for ‘falling for it again’ and giving her power away to an external system, despite intuitively knowing that such methods are not a long-term solution. Ann shares with Lisa how finding her 14-week program provided an essential container for healing. Lisa and Ann emphasize the power of the group setting, where listening to others’ stories and feeling accepted creates a safe, powerful and transformative environment. [51:53] Lisa and Ann discuss how the program offers a unique, safe space to share vulnerabilities about food and body image. Ann shares that consistently experiencing safety and acceptance in a group is presented as the fundamental mechanism for transformation.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 

In this podcast, Lisa meets with Internal Family Systems (IFS) practitioner and Certified Health Education Specialist (CHES), Manya Ronay. Together they discuss a comprehensive approach to nutrition that integrates balanced dietary practices with emotional well-being. They address emotional eating, stress management, and the use of Internal Family Systems to balance dietary choices.Topics Include:Intuitive EatingFood Industry   IFS FrameworkEmotional EatingIntentional Weight Loss Strategies[:35] Lisa encourages listeners to sign up for the final group coaching cohort starting in September and the Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute from September 7-12, 2025.[10:22] Manya introduces herself as a certified health educator, nutrition specialist, and practitioner trained in internal family systems, underscoring a commitment to nuanced health and eating narratives. Lisa encourages listeners to listen to the previous podcast episode with Manya. Lisa and Manya discuss nutritional science and its diverse expert opinions, political influences, and constant evolution. [15:14] Lisa discusses how her approach to food intake is like managing a financial budget, where understanding caloric surplus and deficit plays a key role. She explains how this method allows her to be aware of the calories in food without succumbing to judgment or rigidity, allowing for informed choices to maintain weight balance. [22:00] Manya expresses caution about the potential pitfalls of anti-diet and intuitive eating messages, how they gaslight by promoting absolute freedom from food monitoring. Lisa and Manya discuss the value of mindful eating, how balance is necessary to avoid counterproductive outcomes. [28:25] Manya discusses Kevin Hall’s experiment that showed that ultra-processed meals led to higher calorie consumption, while real foods increased satiety and reduced caloric intake, resulting in weight loss. Lisa discusses how her approach to maintaining her weight loss is eating for volume and choosing high-nutrient, low-calorie foods over calorie-dense, low-volume options.[49:30] Lisa and Manya discuss how her living in an environment of high stress has led to her using food to gain a sense of comfort and safety. They discuss how Manya should shift to managing stress and embracing embodied safety will help her with her intentional weight loss without a diet mentality. Manya talks about how the IFS framework is used to balance contrasting inner parts: firefighters, representing the urge to eat for comfort, and managers, which impose boundaries. Lisa and Manya explain how this integration supports healthy eating decisions while honoring the positive intention of every inner part.[1:18:56] Lisa and Manya wrap up the episode by discussing how listeners can learn more about Manya and connect at: Website | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn.  *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 

In this podcast, Lisa explores trauma-informed, holistic approaches to food, eating, and body image, focusing on the psychology of shame, internalized sexism, and somatic experiences in therapy with David Bedrick. Together they discuss the importance of compassionate inquiry, critique mainstream treatment methods, and personal and professional journeys. Their conversation highlights the integration of emotional and physical healing, the role of self-compassion, and the value of unshaming in supporting individuals with disordered eating. Topics Include:Body ImageTrauma Informed Care Disordered EatingCoping Mechanisms[:35] Lisa introduces David, expressing admiration for his work. David shares his professional background of over 30 years as a psychologist, 10 years as an attorney, author of five books including ‘The Unshaming Way’, and his research on body shame. David discusses his upbringing in a violent home, the impact of trauma and denial, and how these experiences led to his interest in trauma, shame, and psychology.[10:22] David discusses with Lisa the differences in body image issues between men and women, highlighting the impact of sexism and internalized negative voices, especially for women. David shares findings from his research that resistance to dieting programs can be an act of self-love, rather than a lack of discipline. David explains how the ‘unshaming way’ reframes eating behaviors as intelligent responses to unmet needs rather than problems to be fixed. David describes how a client, after working on asserting her needs in life, saw a reduction in compulsive eating. [14:00] David presents a case where a woman’s craving for hamburgers was linked to her unmet need for autonomy and self-expression. By exploring her desires in a non-shaming way, she recognized that eating hamburgers was the only area where she prioritized her own needs, leading to broader personal growth. [21:00] David discusses three types of relationships: with oneself, with others, and with the world. He explains how eating behaviors can reflect unmet needs or safety concerns in these relationships, and how trauma or abuse can influence eating patterns as a means of coping or self-protection. David emphasizes that feelings of safety are foundational in addressing eating behaviors. [39:30] Lisa and David explore the importance of addressing both emotional and physical aspects when working with individuals who are severely underweight or overweight, rather than adopting a black-and-white approach. Lisa and David engage in discussion on the value of helping individuals connect with the literal, somatic experience of their bodies and suffering, rather than focusing on self-judgment or shaming.[46:32] Lisa and David examine dissociation as a survival mechanism in trauma, and strategies for gently helping individuals reconnect with their bodies and experiences. Lisa and David talk about the transformative impact of being met with love, respect, compassion, and grace, both internally and from a supportive community.[1:05:26] Lisa and David wrap up the episode by discussing how listeners can find him. David shares that he can be found on Instagram and his website, has written about 80 essays for Psychology Today, and is working on his fifth book. His fourth book, ‘The Unshaming Way,’ is being translated into seven languages. He offers a 10-month facilitator course and shorter, less expensive courses on trauma and healing.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 

In this final episode of the exercise series, Lisa steps out of theory and into lived experience — sharing a personal essay written during her senior year of college. Titled “Inside the Box,” the piece chronicles one intense day inside a CrossFit gym. Topics Include:CrossFit Exercise EnthusiastsCommunityPersonal Transformation[1:05] Lisa explains her intention to wrap up the conversation on exercise by sharing a personal essay she wrote 10 years ago, rather than continuing with her own thoughts, theories, and ideas on the subject. Lisa notes it was a paper written for an investigative journalism class in her senior year of college in 2015. She mentions it is optional reading in the group coaching program’s exercise module. The essay, “Inside the Box,” details one day of a CrossFit workout. Lisa describes the workout emphasizing the extreme intensity and challenge.[4:52] Lisa describes the physical environment of the CrossFit gym, referred to as a “box,” as a space dedicated to transforming bodies and minds. The gym’s layout includes workout equipment like kettlebells, medicine balls, and free weights on one wall, and rowing machines and pull-up bars on the other. A whiteboard advertises CrossFit as an “anti-aging drug” with side effects including stamina, strength, flexibility, power, speed, agility, coordination, balance, accuracy, and community.[8:12] Lisa describes the official CrossFit philosophy, established by Greg Glassman in 2000, aims for overall improvement in all capacities rather than specialization. Lisa talks about the program’s controversial reputation due to injuries, hospitalizations, and deaths, with rhabdomyolysis being a known repercussion. [11:57] Lisa recounts her participation in a highly encouraged fundamentals class, designed to teach prospective athletes “how to walk before learning how to run.” With a personal trainer, she learned proper form for deadlifts, presses, squats, snatches, and thrusters using a 15-pound training bar, before graduating to join the regular class.[19:05] Lisa highlights the strong sense of community, mutual support, and camaraderie. She describes how finished athletes support those still working out and how CrossFitters are attracted to the atmosphere, community, camaraderie, and sense of belonging, [23:42] Lisa recounts her lifelong dread of gym class and the mile run, starting her fitness journey at 302 pounds at her first Jenny Craig appointment, aiming to halve her body weight. Lisa describes months of diverse exercises and particularly challenging interval training on the treadmill with a stern trainer. She details the physical discomfort and her internal struggle. Lisa describes the mindset shift from resistance to a “bring-it-bitch attitude,” where temporary suffering became an indication of pushing limits, resulting in feelings of power, strength, achievement, and triumph, and feeling invincible. Lisa explains why CrossFit’s intensity, addiction, and cult-like following do not surprise her.[41:18] Lisa clarifies that her essay reflects her personal experience and investigation. She emphasizes that CrossFit varies greatly depending on the gym (“box”) and its community, and her experience may not be universal for all CrossFit participants. Lisa ends the series by thanking all of her listeners for going on the journey with her.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 

In this third episode, Lisa unpacks how movement can become a powerful act of self-care — not self-control. Drawing on her own healing and trauma-informed expertise, she challenges some mainstream fitness narratives and reclaims exercise as a tool for reconnection, resilience, and radical self-acceptance.Topics Include:Mind-body ConnectionExercise IntensityIntentional MovementSelf-Acceptance[1:43] Lisa discusses the importance of healing dissociation and strengthening the mind-body connection, particularly through movement and exercise, referencing the nervous system and polyvagal theory. Lisa explains the basics of polyvagal theory, differentiating between sympathetic (fight-or-flight) and parasympathetic (rest-and-digest) nervous system responses, and highlights the importance of understanding whether someone is in hyperarousal or hypoarousal (freeze). Lisa emphasizes that movement, especially intentional and conscious movement, is crucial for shifting out of a freeze state and re-engaging with life.[13:05] Lisa critiques the narrative that only gentle movement is healthy, arguing that for some people, high-intensity movement is necessary and supportive for healing. Lisa addresses concerns about high-intensity exercise raising cortisol, explaining that acute stress is natural and only becomes harmful if not balanced with rest, nutrition, and hydration. Lisa introduces the idea of using exercise as an opportunity to practice showing up as the person you aspire to be, referencing her work with clients.[25:00] Lisa discusses insights from clients and personal observations about how one’s mindset and self-identity at work or during exercise significantly impact the experience, especially for those with chronic pain. She emphasizes that it is not the activity itself but the internal dialogue and self-perception that create stress or discomfort. [34:45] Lisa explains that negative self-talk and a judgmental mindset during exercise can trigger stress responses and contribute to chronic pain. She highlights the importance of recognizing the ‘inner predator’ and shifting to a more compassionate, supportive internal dialogue. Lisa addresses the importance of intention in exercise, noting that exercising to change oneself out of shame or inadequacy sends danger signals to the brain, while exercising from a place of self-acceptance and abundance fosters safety and healing.[46:12] Lisa points out that any movement, not just yoga, can be a mind-body exercise if approached with mindful attention. She shares the practice of focusing solely on the present activity, such as being on the mat or treadmill, to enhance the mind-body connection. Lisa recounts how “John” taught her to be present and connected to her body during weightlifting, which led to a transformative realization about exercise and life.[52:45] Lisa encourages listeners to act as their own coach or trainer, pushing themselves out of love and self-care rather than self-criticism, and to remember their inherent worthiness. Lisa asserts that everyone deserves and is worthy of stretching beyond their comfort zone, and that self-care and personal growth are individual responsibilities. [1:04:25] Lisa invites listeners to reach out with questions, comments, or reflections about their experiences and the topics discussed.  *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 

In the second episode of this series, Lisa unpacks what it means to reclaim exercise as an act of self-care, not self-control. Drawing from her own journey and trauma-informed expertise, she explores how mindful, functional movement can reconnect us to our bodies, build emotional resilience, and support holistic well-being. With compassion and clarity, Lisa challenges the myths we’ve inherited about exercise, and invites everyone to shift from shame-based discipline to embodied empowerment.Topics Include:Relationship with ExerciseFunctional Training Mindset and DisciplineSelf-Compassion and Growth[1:42] Lisa reflects on her long-term journey with exercise, acknowledging years of conscious movement and empathizing with listeners who feel disconnected from exercise or have negative associations due to past experiences. Lisa shares her own childhood experiences of gym class anxiety and trauma, expressing deep empathy for listeners who may carry similar feelings into adulthood. Lisa discusses the concept of reclaiming one’s relationship with exercise, encouraging listeners to redefine movement in a way that feels supportive and enjoyable for their future.[4:32] Lisa explains functional training as movement patterns that mirror everyday activities (walking, running, lifting, lunging, squatting, pushing, pulling, twisting) and highlights its integration into daily life for holistic health. Lisa emphasizes that exercise is not just about physical health but also mental, emotional, and spiritual well-being. [7:50] Lisa discusses how exercise can help heal dissociation and mind-body disconnect, especially for those with trauma histories, by fostering intentional awareness of bodily sensations. Lisa suggests using movement not to change the body, but to reconnect with it and become more aware of physical sensations, which can translate to greater emotional awareness. Lisa explains that experiencing discomfort during exercise is essential for physical and personal growth, distinguishing between healthy discomfort and pain, and highlighting how tolerating discomfort in the gym can translate to better emotional resilience.[22:00] Lisa stresses the importance of recognizing and respecting one’s physical limits and plateaus during exercise, noting that denial can lead to injury and that these experiences do not reflect personal failure. Lisa emphasizes the necessity of rest and recovery, stating that even professional athletes and Olympians should not work out seven days a week, and that honoring the body’s need for rest prevents injury and overtraining. [30:30] Lisa discusses the concept that there is no finish line in fitness; progress is ongoing, with new goals always emerging. Lisa emphasizes the importance of being present, celebrating achievements, and avoiding burnout by acknowledging progress. Lisa addresses the complex relationship with discipline, advocating for a self-loving, compassionate approach rather than self-loathing. Lisa discusses how practicing discipline in movement and exercise can help with other habits and behaviors outside of the workout space.[51:25] Lisa discusses how exercise serves as a mechanism for practicing resilience, self-reflection, and personal development, focusing on how individuals respond to obstacles, discomfort, and disappointment. Lisa talks about how her clients would often underestimate their physical and emotional strength, and the role of her as their coach in helping them realize their true capacity. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 

In the first solo episode of this series, Lisa dives into what it takes to build a healthy, lasting relationship with movement and exercise. She explores how tuning into your body — not punishing it — is the key to sustainable exercise, and how self-inquiry and experimentation help you discover what truly feels good. Lisa reframes movement as essential care, not a chore — something our bodies are meant to do — and invites listeners to shift from a mindset of restriction to one of nourishment, growth, and joyful embodiment.Topics Include:Exercise MindsetSelf CompassionBody Awareness[1:03] Lisa makes two announcements: the group coaching program that started in May and the five-day retreat at the Omega Institute in September. [3:54] Lisa explains her motivation for recording a solo episode focused on exercise, aiming to provide a comprehensive resource for those struggling with their relationship to exercise. Lisa reflects on her personal growth since starting the podcast, describing the initial anxiety and how she now feels calm, grounded, and grateful for the platform.[5:33] Lisa emphasizes the importance of understanding one’s beliefs and emotional responses to exercise, encouraging listeners to reflect on where their attitudes toward exercise originated. Lisa urges listeners to critically examine the origins of their beliefs about exercise, including the influence of experts and profit motives, and to assess whether these beliefs are still serving them.[15:53] Lisa discusses viewing exercise as maintenance and care for the body, emphasizing the body as a vehicle for the soul and the importance of movement for overall well-being. Lisa addresses the emotional challenges of returning to exercise after a break, the tendency to compare oneself to past abilities, and the need for both gentle and fierce self-compassion to overcome avoidance.[41:21] Lisa talks about the importance of engaging in a conversation with the body rather than making demands. Instead of immediately acting on the urge to move by enforcing structured exercise, one should ask the body what kind of movement, duration, and intensity it desires. [57:28] Lisa encourages listeners to reclaim their relationship with exercise, making it personally meaningful and enjoyable rather than dictated by external pressures or diet culture. The invitation is to reflect on how to integrate these ideas into one’s life. Lisa invites listeners to submit questions about exercise and movement via Spotify, email, or Instagram for future episodes. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 

In this episode, Lisa is joined by Danielle Harel, PhD and cofounder of the Somatica Institute. Together, they discuss healing through embodied pleasure, mindful sensory engagement, and personal growth strategies to counteract societal conditioning and rebuild self-worth.Topics Include:Embodied PleasureSelf EmpowermentPleasurable Experiences[1:06] Lisa welcomes Danielle Harel, PhD in human sexuality and co-founder of the Somatica Institute, for a groundbreaking conversation on tackling themes of sex, intimacy, body image, and self-worth. Lisa shares the email that connected her with Danielle and her excitement at exploring this topic on the OOTC podcast. Lisa notes that with over 120 episodes, this discussion marks a first exploration of topics like sex and intimacy on the podcast. They discuss how societal messages and objectification, such as the constant focus on appearance and weight, deeply influence self-perception and body shame. Danielle talks about the need to counteract these habits by reconnecting with internal sensations. [10:06] Danielle explores using sensuality, intimacy, and erotic embodiment as tools for empowerment and this includes embracing full body sensations and recognizing pleasure as a means to rebuild self-worth and challenge internalized cultural messages. Lisa and Danielle excitedly discuss neurobiology and the concept of neuroplasticity, noting that repetitive thought patterns (like objectifying oneself) form strong neural pathways, which can be reshaped by actively engaging with pleasurable sensations and mindful embodiment.[18:33] Danielle talks about sex beyond penetration, promoting the idea of pleasure in everyday experiences such as movement, tasting food, and overall sensory enjoyment and the empowerment found in diverse pleasurable experiences. discussion about food as a source of pleasure. Lisa and Danielle point out that when food becomes the only source of pleasure, it can lead to disordered eating. They discuss the need for a balanced approach where food is enjoyed along with other life pleasures.[35:30] Lisa and Danielle cover the significance of receiving compliments and self-affirmation as a way to counteract internal criticism, encouraging acceptance and internalizing positive feedback. Danielle discusses how many people have a fear of pleasure due to cultural and societal conditioning. Lisa and Danielle discuss the challenge of slowing down and being present, making gradual steps to allow the nervous system to learn that pleasure is safe.[51:06] Lisa and Danielle talk about the importance of reclaiming one’s own sexuality from societal and cultural narratives, emphasizing a shift towards experiencing and expressing bodily pleasure as a natural part of being human.[56:04] Danielle discusses the benefits of personal growth experience in a group of other people who are going to do it with you and the core training offered through the Somatica Institute. She shared that there is also training for coaches. Danielle offered a 20% off discount for the OOTC audience for the Love Your Body class. She can also be found on Instagram. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 

In this episode, Lisa is joined by group coaching alumni, Jen. They discuss Jen’s personal journey of healing from childhood family dynamics, body image struggles, and emotional challenges, highlighting the importance of community, self-responsibility, and ongoing support in achieving self-acceptance and well-being.Topics Include:Family DynamicsBody ImageEmotional Healing[0:31] Lisa announces that the next round of the Out of the Cave group coaching program will start soon in May 2025, encouraging listeners to reach out within the next couple of days if interested.[2:13] Lisa introduces the episode as an interview with Jen, who has participated in the group coaching program, aftercare program, and a retreat, highlighting Jen’s growth and healing. Jen shares she is 43 years old, a wife, mother to a 19-year-old and a 7-year-old first grader, the youngest of three sisters, and a special education teacher. She identifies as a recovering perfectionist and people pleaser.[4:07] Jen describes being a ‘surprise’ child, with sisters 8 and 13 years older, and growing up in a house built for two children. She recalls her parents’ backgrounds, family traditions, and the impact of being the youngest and unplanned. Jen reflects on the recurring family narrative of her being a surprise, how it was discussed publicly, and how she internalized this story, realizing its impact only in adulthood. Jen describes predictable family meals, with her father being present and supportive, and her mother always preparing meals. Jen talks about her father finishing leftover food to avoid conflict, highlighting family dynamics around food and emotional safety.[46:39] Jen describes initial isolation and academic focus during the first quarters of college, experiencing loneliness. Her turning point came when her roommate encouraged her to join a sorority, which led to increased confidence and a sense of belonging. Jen realized that many peers in the sorority share similar body image struggles, which helped her feel less alone and more confident.[58:53] Jen describes a period of self-discovery and reinvention during and after college, emphasizing the importance of social connections, leadership opportunities, and overcoming social anxiety. Jen met her husband through a persistent colleague, married after a few years of dating, and navigated the challenges of blending families and moving homes. Jen experienced a ‘geriatric pregnancy’ at age 36, lost weight due to focusing on her child’s well-being.[1:03:27] Jen discusses the significant stress from her father’s pancreatic cancer diagnosis, his death, and a miscarriage, all compounded by the pandemic. Jen talks about reverting to food for comfort and loss, leading to substantial weight gain. Jen sought out supportive doctors, eventually connecting with Dr. Susan Caldwell who recommended the OOTC podcast. Jen credits this as a turning point, leading to self-reflection and engagement with a supportive community.[1:12:52] Jen emphasizes the necessity of group support, aftercare, and the ongoing connection with others who understand her experience. Lisa and Jen discuss that healing has no finish line, is messy, and requires ongoing acceptance and adaptation. Jen talks about initially resisting group programs but found it essential for connection and healing, noting the value of support from others. Jen encourages listeners to overcome hesitation and invest in their own healing, stating the process is life-changing and worth the investment. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 

In this episode, Lisa is joined once again by group coaching alumn, Theresa and together they explore Theresa’s journey of personal growth. They focus on her evolving relationship with food, emotional awareness, and the continuous process of recovery and behavior change.Topics Include:RecoveryEmotional AwarenessBehavior Changes[2:51] Theresa introduces herself as a mother, a wife, a friend, a sister, and all of the things.Theresa reflects on her personal growth since her last podcast appearance in 2023, noting significant changes in her relationship with food and self-awareness. Theresa discusses her struggle with dieting and the illusion of control over food, highlighting her realization of not eating enough calories.[10:29] Theresa shares her emotional journey regarding her body image, including feelings of sadness and the desire to stabilize her weight. Theresa mentions the concept of addiction transference, emphasizing the importance of not replacing one addiction with another.[17:10] Theresa expresses feeling brave and vulnerable while sharing personal experiences, emphasizing the importance of not caring about others’ opinions. Lisa discusses skepticism around dieting and the false promise of achieving a goal weight to solve body image issues.[27:32] Theresa shares personal growth experiences, highlighting changes in mindset and behavior regarding food and self-acceptance. Lisa explains using the relationship with food as a mechanism to learn self-love and reparenting. Theresa describes integrating different parts of oneself and developing self-compassion, leading to less judgment and more conscious choices.[33:47] Lisa discusses the ongoing nature of recovery, comparing it to the 12-step model, emphasizing that recovery is a continuous process and not a one-time fix. Theresa shares initial resistance to the concept of recovery related to food, but finds comfort in the idea of recovery from codependence, as discussed by Terry Cole.[51:43] Lisa explains the importance of recognizing emotional eating patterns and learning to sit with discomfort to make different choices.Theresa highlights the value of group support in the recovery process, noting how group questions can help individuals understand their own experiences.[58:13] Lisa emphasizes the importance of the mind-body connection, particularly in moments of stress or emotional distress and the power of breath awareness to shift from a stress response to a stress relief response. Theresa and Lisa discuss the idea that issues with food are often not about the food itself but about underlying emotional needs and coping mechanisms.[1:01:32] Lisa mentions that in module 11 of the 14-week group coaching program, highlighting the ongoing nature of personal development and the realization that change is a continuous process. Lisa wraps up by telling Theresa how proud she is of her progress. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 May OOTC Group Coaching Program

In this episode, Lisa is joined by Jasmine Hormati, a registered dietitian and certified intuitive eating counselor, who founded Mendinground Nutrition in NYC. Jasmine shares her insights on a non-diet, weight-inclusive approach to nutrition, focusing on eating disorders and disordered eating. She discusses her journey into the field, the challenges of working in a non-diet space, and the importance of understanding clients’ needs and desires for weight loss.Topics Include:Eating Disorders and RecoveryIntuitive EatingNutrition Therapy[1:48] Jasmine Hormati introduces herself as a registered dietitian, certified intuitive eating counselor, and founder of Mendinground Nutrition, focusing on eating disorders and disordered eating with a non-diet approach. Jasmine shares her journey from being pre-dental to discovering her passion for nutrition and intuitive eating, influenced by her upbringing and education in Los Angeles and UC Berkeley. [8:00] Lisa and Jasmine discuss how intuitive eating and Health at Every Size differ from traditional nutrition education, emphasizing a balanced, non-diet approach to food and body image. Jasmine explains her approach to supporting clients with eating disorders, focusing on food, exercise, and body image, while incorporating emotional and logistical aspects.[14:33] Lisa and Jasmine cover the pendulum swing from dieting to anti-diet culture and finding a middle ground with intuitive eating, emphasizing flexibility and balance. They unpack how emotional eating is not inherently problematic unless it becomes the primary coping mechanism. They talk about the importance of having a balance of physical and emotional solutions.[26:37] Lisa and Jasmine dive into how diet culture often disconnects individuals from their body’s cues, leading to mistrust and the need for reconnecting with one’s body is essential for intuitive eating. Jasmine explains that her practice is weight-inclusive, meaning she focuses on health indicators beyond weight, such as blood values and emotional well-being.[38:00] Lisa and Jasmine discuss how she addresses clients who express a desire to lose weight. They explore the reasons behind this desire and focus on holistic health rather than prescribing weight loss plans. They both emphasize the importance of keeping the client at the center of care, respecting their goals, and not imposing the practitioner’s agenda.[40:56] Jasmine acknowledges the challenges of working in a non-diet, weight-inclusive space, especially when clients have specific weight loss goals. Lisa and Jasmine discuss the influence of medical professionals and the importance of questioning their authority when it conflicts with personal health goals.[50:00] Lisa and Jasmine wrap up the discussion with where she can be found online: Website | Instagram.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 May OOTC Group Coaching Program 

In this episode, Lisa and Lara Days discuss the controversial topic of pursuing intentional weight loss during eating disorder recovery. They explore different perspectives, emphasizing the importance of first achieving a stable relationship with food before considering weight loss. Topics Include:Eating Disorders and RecoveryIntentional Weight LossFat Phobia[0:06] Lisa begins this episode by announcing the last day of the early bird special for ⁠her May group coaching program⁠ and a ⁠free seven-day mirror work challenge⁠ starting March 31, 2025. She also mentions her upcoming Omega Retreat, ⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food⁠, on September 7-12, 2025 for deeper in-person healing work. [6:43] Lara introduces herself as an intuitive eating counselor, sound healer, yoga instructor, and musician, currently residing in Dallas, TX. Her work is rooted in her core belief that all humans have the right to experience a joyful relationship with food, movement, body, and self.[8:00] Lisa and Lara discuss the nuances of eating disorder recovery and intentional weight loss. They emphasize the importance of defining recovery and ensuring a stable relationship with food before considering weight loss. Both agree on prioritizing mental and emotional healing over focusing solely on weight loss.[21:53] Lisa discusses a three-level approach to weight loss, focusing on mental and emotional well-being before addressing physical changes. She emphasizes the importance of self-compassion and healthy habits, noting that weight loss can occur naturally when health is prioritized.[33:00] Lisa and Lara discuss the societal obsession with aesthetics and the need for a distinction between weight loss for health versus aesthetics. They talk about the importance of addressing quality of life issues, such as pain and mobility, over superficial weight goals. Lisa shares her personal experience with weight loss and the stigma around wanting to lose weight. She stresses the importance of creating a space where people can pursue weight loss for comfort and health without feeling judged or shamed.[46:00] Lara and Lisa discuss the nuances of fat phobia and weight loss, emphasizing that wanting to feel better physically does not equate to fat phobia. They highlight the need for more nuanced conversations around body image and health. [53:56] Lara talks about intuitive eating and the importance of understanding body cues. They explore that discomfort often arises from unfamiliarity with one’s body and stress the need to explore the reasons behind this discomfort, such as lifestyle changes or physical limitations.[1:03:57] Lisa and Lara discuss the ineffectiveness of one-size-fits-all approaches in health and wellness. They criticize the concept of ‘one size fits all’ in clothing and diet plans, emphasizing the need for personalized approaches.[1:06:37] The conversation touches on cancel culture, with Lisa expressing a desire to cancel it. They discuss the nuances of cancel culture, acknowledging that while it can be justified in some cases, it often lacks understanding and context. Lisa and Lara debate the impact of ‘What I Eat in a Day’ videos. While acknowledging potential harm, they argue for a more nuanced view, suggesting that these videos can be informative if presented with the right intentions and context.[1:16:57] Lisa and Lara wrap up the discussion with where she can be found on Instagram.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 May OOTC Group Coaching Program - Early Bird Special $500 off by 11:59 PM EST on March 31, 2025 

In this episode, Lisa is joined by Jaime where they explore Jaime’s journey through bullying, emotional eating and alcohol use, and physical pain to her recovery and transformation through the OOTC group coaching and self-acceptance. Topics Include:Emotional Eating and DrinkingEmotional SobrietyImportance of Community Support[0:06] Lisa begins this episode by announcing the opening of her group coaching program with an early bird discount and a free seven-day mirror work challenge starting March 31, 2025. She also mentions her upcoming Omega Retreat, Reclaiming Peace With Food, on September 7-12, 2025 for deeper in-person healing work. [6:45] Jaime introduces herself as a lifelong learner, a teacher, an artist, a writer, a creator, and a healer who always wants to learn and better herself then goes out into the world to teach and heal others. [8:38] Jamie shares her journey of healing from a toxic relationship with food and body image, influenced by her family’s diet culture. She recalls a significant childhood memory of being shamed for her appearance, which impacted her self-worth and eating habits. Lisa emphasizes the importance of not making negative comments about food and body to children and suggests resources for parents to support intuitive eating in their kids.[13:00] Jaime discusses her struggles with emotional eating and alcohol as coping mechanisms during middle and high school, leading to social anxiety and isolation. Jaime acknowledges awareness of problematic drinking habits from a young age, using alcohol to cope with social anxiety and build confidence.[23:07] Lisa shares a similar experience with early alcohol use, seeing it as a social activity without awareness of its coping function. Jaime reflects on her self-worth being tied to body image, influenced by bullying and societal pressures during adolescence. Lisa highlights the issue of self-worth being linked to physical appearance, leading to a lifelong cycle of weight loss and gain. [34:58] Jaime discusses her journey with weight loss and health issues, including sleep apnea and back pain. Despite some improvements, she struggled with back pain, leading her to explore mind-body approaches at Omega retreats. She resonated with the teachings of Nicole Sachs and Lisa, which led to a deeper exploration of journaling and self-discovery. [43:26] Jaime eventually joined Lisa's program to further her personal growth and connect with others. Jaime discusses overcoming chronic pain and the importance of addressing body image and food relationships as part of her healing journey. She emphasizes the value of community support in her recovery process.[50:12] Jaime shares her experience in the OOTC group program, noting the benefits of community support and the opportunity to observe personal growth over time. Jaime highlights the importance of learning in a community setting and stepping out of her comfort zone.[1:01:00] Jaime shares a recent epiphany about her fear of weight loss, linked to receiving comments and judgments from others. She realized that avoiding weight loss was a way to control these interactions. Lisa emphasizes the role of control in weight loss fears, noting that emotional resistance can stem from past experiences and relationships, such as parental expectations.[1:06:59] Jaime discusses the importance of balance and emotional sobriety, choosing not to use food to cope with emotions. Lisa and Jaime wrap up the discussion by talking about focusing on feeling good and healthy rather than achieving a specific weight goal.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

In this episode, Lisa is joined by Jenny where they explore Jenny’s journey through challenging family dynamics, emotional trauma, and eating disorders, highlighting her transformation and healing through the OOTC group coaching and self-compassion. Topics Include: Family Trauma Eating Disorder Healing Self-Compassion and Acceptance[2:06] Lisa introduces Jenny, a recent graduate of the Out of the Cave program, highlighting her as a success story. Jenny describes herself as being 44 years old, living in Rochester, NY with her two cats, and working in education.  [5:30] Jenny tells Lisa about her childhood, growing up in a household with contrasting parental influences, addiction, and emotional volatility. Jenny explains how family dynamics, including her father’s drinking and strict meal expectations, affected her relationship with food. Lisa discusses the importance of creating a safe and pleasant mealtime environment, referencing the division of responsibility in feeding.[18:00] Jenny discusses binge eating as a coping mechanism for emotional turmoil and financial instability, starting at age 11. Jenny shares experiences of body shaming and emotional abuse from her father, which contributed to her negative body image and emotional distress. [23:41] Jenny describes her parents’ struggle with alcohol addiction and the impact of her separation on her emotional well-being. Jenny reveals being sexually abused and subsequently bullied, which intensified her feelings of isolation and led to therapy.[31:09] Lisa and Jenny discuss the duality of wanting to be both thinner and bigger for safety and acceptance, highlighting the complexity of body image issues. Jenny discusses a long-term struggle with body image, feeling disconnected from her body, and the belief that being in a smaller body would make her lovable. [40:46] Jenny shares experiences with punishing exercise routines and restrictive diets, believing these would lead to being loved and accepted.[42:19] Jenny recounts how the COVID-19 pandemic triggered a return to binge eating due to stress and food scarcity fears. Jenny found inspiration and support through social media, leading to a connection with Lisa who provided a new perspective on food and eating. [58:50] Jenny discusses her struggle with food and body image, realizing it’s about her relationship with herself and safety. She experienced a shift in understanding her inherent worth and self-compassion. Jenny shares her experience in the OOTC group coaching program, highlighting significant personal growth and shifts in perspective, particularly around self-worth and emotional safety.[1:05:00] Jenny describes learning to binge mindfully, which led to a realization about self-erasure and a subsequent reduction in binging behavior. Jenny talks about gaining the ability to process emotions and make choices, which has been transformative in dealing with life’s challenges. [1:18:36] Lisa and Jenny end by discussing her personal growth and healing journey, emphasizing the positive impact of the OOTC group coaching program, which helped her with issues related to food and binge eating. Jenny highlights the importance of group support in her healing process, noting the value of being part of a cohort that provides encouragement and shared experiences. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 May OOTC Group Coaching Program - Early Bird Special $500 off before the end of March 2025

In this episode, Lisa is joined by Lesley Logan, a pilates instructor, to discuss the transformative impact of pilates on body image, functional fitness, and the mind-body connection. It emphasizes the importance of self-awareness, inclusivity, and the role of pilates in healing trauma and promoting empowerment. Topics Include: Mind-Body Connection Self-Awareness Functional Fitness Healing Trauma through Movement[2:06] Lisa starts this episode by asking Lesley to introduce herself. Lesley shares her first experience with pilates and how she fell in love with it after one class and thought everyone should try it. She discusses how she became an instructor and eventually quit her retail job to teach full-time.   [5:30] Lesley discusses her early experiences with body image, influenced by societal standards and family dieting culture. She highlights the struggle of seeing the body as an ornament and the journey to viewing it as an instrument. Lisa and Lesley discuss the importance of functional fitness for aging well, emphasizing the need for strength and mobility to perform everyday tasks and travel comfortably.[18:00] Lesley discusses personal experiences with body image issues, health challenges, and the pressure of maintaining a certain appearance in the fitness industry. She emphasizes the importance of focusing on health metrics like vitamin levels rather than weight. Lesley explains how pilates can serve as a moving meditation, helping individuals connect with their bodies and improve mental focus. [28:05] Lisa relates pilates to healing trauma and overcoming dissociation by strengthening the mind-body connection. Lisa emphasizes the importance of feeling safe in one’s body and how mindful movement can aid in trauma recovery. Lesley shares experiences of bringing diverse groups together through pilates, fostering a sense of community and shared experience, even among people who might not typically interact.[34:53] Lesley provides guidance for beginners in pilates, suggesting they look for comprehensively trained instructors and be mindful of class types and equipment. Lesley suggests practicing pilates 3-4 times a week, emphasizing that sessions can be as short as 15 minutes. [45:49] Lisa and Lesley discuss how the primary intention of pilates is to achieve a balance of strength and flexibility, focusing on posture and muscular strength. Lesley explains that it is designed to be a low-impact exercise that is accessible to many people. Lisa and Lesley discuss how pilates helps individuals become the authority on their own bodies, promoting a sense of safety and embodiment. Lesley also discusses how pilates encourages self-care and empowers individuals to take control of their health. [57:58] Lisa and Lesley conclude this episode by encouraging curiosity and self-kindness in one’s pilates practice, highlighting that self-care is essential for overall well-being. They also discuss how listeners can find Lesley online: Website | Free 4-Week Challenge | Instagram | Facebook*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025