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The Network State Podcast
The Network State Podcast
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What comes after Google, Facebook, Bitcoin, and Ethereum? Perhaps it's the startup country — the network state. Balaji interviews tech founders and policymakers from around the world on managing billions of dollars and millions of people, as well as what it might take to start a new kind of state.
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Noor Siddiqui is the founder of Orchid, which offers whole genome screening for over 1,000 genetic diseases. We cover the transition from biological chance to choice, American public support for embryo screening, the historical stigma against routine procedures like heart transplants, and the new political divide of Primitivism versus Futurism. If you're interested in these ideas, you might be interested in Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Sean Neville co-founded Circle, the issuer of USDC, and is now the founder of Catena Labs. We cover the Centre Consortium joint venture between Circle and Coinbase, the rise of machine-native money, identity systems for AI agents, and the fusion of probabilistic AI with deterministic crypto. If you're interested in these ideas, you'll like Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Ben Horowitz is co-founder of Andreessen Horowitz (a16z) and the author of The Hard Thing About Hard Things. We cover why a16z left Delaware, the creation of Special Founder Zones, the politicization of US courts, and the migration from rule of law to rule of code. If these ideas interest you, check out Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Alex Gladstein is the Chief Strategy Officer at the Human Rights Foundation and author of Check Your Financial Privilege. We cover fiat devaluation as global taxation, why the IMF and World Bank aren’t what you think they are, and the shift from the currency of the state to the currency of the network. If you're interested in these ideas, you'll like Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Bryan Johnson is the most biologically characterized human in history. We cover the transition from the FDA era to large effect sizes, the potential of gene therapies, real-time brain measurement, and the roadmap for the Don't Die Network State. If you're interested in ideas like the Don't Die Network State, come to Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Dan Wang is the author of Breakneck and a Research Fellow at the Hoover History Lab at Stanford. We analyze why China has become the Engineering State while America has become the Lawyerly State. We cover the discontinuity between Mao and Deng, the "fake economy," the self-sabotage of both superpowers, and the debate on whether Bitcoin is the true rival to the CCP. If you're interested in these topics, you'll like Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Yat Siu is the co-founder and chairman of Animoca Brands, which has over 600 portfolio companies and billions in assets. We discuss why gaming is the first jurisdiction enforced by code, the geopolitical split between China and India, and the economic architecture of the Network State. If you're interested in digital property rights, come to Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Timur Kuran is a professor at Duke University and the originator of the concept preference falsification. We cover the mechanics of public lies, the falsification of US economic statistics, why Islamic law rejected the corporation, and how cryptographic verification replaces centralized authority. If you're interested in these ideas, come to Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Luke Gromen is the founder of Forest for the Trees (FFTT) and a macroeconomic analyst with three decades of experience identifying global economic bottlenecks. We cover the stock market as the US economy, the Chinese supply chain for American weapons, the Fed's video game versus the physical world, and BRICS exit from the dollar. If you're interested in these ideas, you'll enjoy Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Andrew Huberman is a professor of neurobiology at Stanford and host of the Huberman Lab podcast. We explore the design of the Huberman Health Zone, focusing on cortisol regulation, force-sleep technology, and the necessity of offline deep work. If you're interested in decentralized health, come to Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Stacy Herbert is the Director of the National Bitcoin Office of El Salvador. We cover El Salvador's pivot from gang warfare to physical security, the new AI and robotics laws, President Bukele's tech founder mindset, and the logistics of building a startup country. If you're interested in startup societies, come to Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Cory Levy is the founder of Z Fellows and an investor in early-stage technical founders. We cover the decline of legacy institutions, where talent should go, and the shift from a rules-based to a code-based order. If you're interested in building parallel institutions, come to Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Ben Lang leads community at Cursor, where 1,000 users applied within days to host Cafe Cursor popups. We cover the logistics of cafe takeovers, printing the cloud to the land, Society-as-a-Service, and connecting the top 1% of power users. If you're interested in materializing digital communities on land, come to Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Kamil Galeev is a writer specializing in the mechanics of historical power. We discuss why revolutions often lead to extreme regimentation, the centralization of the French monarchy, building parallel institutions, Stalin's bureaucratic camouflage, and the divergence of Russian and Chinese privatization. If you're interested in learning about and discussing these ideas, check out Network School at https://ns.com.
David Friedberg is co-host of the All-In podcast and CEO of Ohalo. We discuss the fractal frontier, why the network wins in the West while the state wins in the East, consequences of the New Deal, China's industrial dominance, and the case for American Freedom Cities. If you're interested in these ideas, you should come to Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Solana has become by some measures the #1 new ecosystem for crypto devs. Why? We talk with Akshay and Lily on how Solana is creating Internet Capital Markets, enabling micropayments, and building Solana special economic zones like Forma. If you're building on Solana, you should come to Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
India is now #3 in global unicorns, and was the #1 fastest growing economy in the world from 2015-2025. How did that come about? I'm joined by Hemant Mohapatra at Lightspeed India to give a quick survey of Indian tech for people who know nothing about India. We cover biotech, genomics, space, California vs India, and the game plan for the global technologist. If you're interested in global technology, you should come to Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Jesse Pollak leads Coinbase Base, which enables 1 cent transactions on Ethereum. We discuss the motivation behind Base, monetization for creators & companies, local stablecoins, network states, and the Base Batches session at Network School. If you're building on Base, apply to Network School at https://ns.com.
Claire is the founder of Quillette.com, a digital magazine covering tech, culture, and centrist politics. We cover the rise of China, why Australia may indeed be this century's lucky country, and the realist take on American Empire. If you're interested in these topics, you'll be interested in Network School. Apply online at https://ns.com.
Benedict Evans is a former partner at Andreessen Horowitz and runs a newsletter with ~200k subscribers. We discuss smart glasses, amplified intelligence, robot dogs, the decentralization of media, and how AI is disrupting the very concept of user interfaces. If these ideas interest you, we're working on this kind of technology at Network School. You can apply online at https://ns.com.




