Stacking Growth | The B2B Marketing Podcast

Called to Action is back with Liam Moroney of Storybook marketing to walk us through his journey as a marketer focused on brand and storytelling. He gives his history, philosophy, and advice on how to change your leadership's mindset. Liam draws from his extensive background in B2B marketing to share his experiences in navigating various industries, emphasizing the importance of moving from a 'growth at all costs' mindset to a more sustainable, brand-centric strategy. The conversation highlights key challenges faced by marketers in tech, especially in convincing stakeholders about the value of storytelling and brand awareness. Liam discusses how understanding the fundamentals of marketing and human behavior fosters better brand development and market reach. Stressing the significance of storytelling as a tool to improve brand recall and customer connection, Liam shares strategies for changing leadership mindsets resistant to traditional perceptions. This episode is rich with insights for marketers, challenging existing paradigms and encouraging more proactive approaches in achieving effective growth.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #measurement #metrics #sales #marketingalignment #storytelling #brandmarketing______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Liam MoroneyConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #measurement #metrics #sales #marketingalignmentJason Theroux is on today to hammer home the crucial message to sales and marketing teams across the world: stop fighting for credit and start working together to support your organization holilstically. The conversation navigates through Jason's career path from sales roles to a significant marketing position, revealing critical insights into bridging the gap between sales and marketing teams. His experiences underscore the importance of collaboration over competition, highlighting strategies to align both functions for holistic business success.With over a decade of experience under his belt, Jason shares practical advice on fostering a unified marketing and sales team. Key themes from this episode include using technology to facilitate clear communication, implementing shared goals, and advocating for transparency and trust within teams. Jason underscores the role of leadership in establishing these cohesive practices, emphasizing that sales and marketing alignment can significantly enhance revenue generation and customer trust. Listeners gain insights into the potential changes in the marketing landscape, especially with emerging technologies such as AI, and how understanding these dynamics can better prepare teams for future challenges.______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Jason TherouxConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Refine Labs’ General Manager Judy Sheriff is on today to walk through how and why you should implement Refine Labs’ modern, tangible success metrics for your marketing team. Judy Sheriff shares her career story, starting with her entry into marketing in 2010, highlighting experiences with companies relying heavily on traditional metrics such as MQLs, and her eventual discovery of modern demand generation strategies. The conversation moves then into the critical juncture when she realized the necessity for change and her subsequent contributions at Refine Labs in guiding companies toward a comprehensive understanding of influence over direct tracking. Essential SEO keywords such as "B2B SaaS," "marketing measurement framework," and "demand generation" are explored throughout the episode.The episode also spotlights the impact of tools and strategies that have helped Judy develop successful frameworks in marketing. With Evan, they discuss the importance of simplifying dashboards and streamlining data processes for accurate measurement. Judy emphasizes the significance of aligning with sales and finance to drive effective change and discusses the potential over-reliance on AI in marketing. Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #measurement #metrics______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Judy SheriffConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Erik Jacobson, CEO of Hatch, joins Evan and Steph to talk about building an effective video first content strategy. As a pioneer in video-first content strategies, Erik shares his insights on the evolving landscape of B2B marketing, emphasizing the importance of adapting to changing consumer behaviors. He brings over a decade worth of actionable strategies for businesses looking to harness the power of video to enhance audience engagement and drive growth.Erik highlights the shift from audio-centric podcasts to video-first content as a means to boost visibility and engagement on platforms like YouTube and LinkedIn. He underscores the significance of sustainable content production processes, encouraging businesses to think of their content as "TV shows for their market." He also discusses the challenges and rewards of early adoption, urging companies to establish their presence in the podcasting space regardless of perceived saturation. Throughout the discussion, Erik provides practical advice for businesses of all sizes on how to effectively structure their content teams. He outlines the roles of the thought leader, content architect, and production team, emphasizing the importance of having a cohesive strategy to maximize impact. By leveraging platforms like Riverside and focusing on shorter, impactful content pieces, even resource-constrained businesses can make their mark. Erik encourages listeners to embrace change, prioritize authenticity, and tap into the incredible potential of video content in today's marketing landscape.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #videocontent #contentstrategy #youtube #video #podcast______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Erik JacobsonConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Steve Voith, VP of Revenue Marketing at Kyriba, joins Evan and Steph to talk about his career journey in Demand Generation. Steve discusses his journey from a novice marketer to a seasoned professional, sharing critical insights into the evolution of demand generation and the significant impacts of various learning experiences throughout his professional life. As Steve dives deep into his career milestones, he emphasizes the importance of adaptability and leveraging technology to stay ahead in the fast-paced marketing industry.A pioneer of the Demand Gen title, Steve focuses on the technological advancements in CRM systems and how they redefined lead management and marketing strategies, as well as challenges and opportunities that come with being a demand generation leader in diverse environments, from working in-house to consulting with agencies. Steve highlights the changes in marketing technologies, the need for effective communication strategies, and the importance of using data to drive business decisionsEpisode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Steve VoithConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Garrett Ira, founder at Method, joins Evan and Steph to talk about his journey to becoming a Solopreneur - the successes, challenges, and everything in between. Garrett shares his unique experience of coming from an entrepreneurial family, which set the tone for his career in marketing. He talks about his transition from agency work to in-house roles, eventually leading him to launch his own company, Method. Garrett talks about the essential tools and community support structures that have helped him thrive as a solopreneur. The episode also addresses the emotional and strategic aspects of running a marketing-focused business, highlighting Garrett's practical business insights and lessons learned from past experiences. Through an open narrative, Garrett explains the significance of transparency, networking, and mastering the fundamentals. He emphasizes the importance of embracing financial acumen and identifying growth opportunities in the evolving landscape of marketing and business development.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #entrepreneurship #solopreneur #entrepreneur ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Garrett IraConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Tas Bober, Co-Founder of The Scroll Lab, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion focused on finding your niche in your career and on your landing page.  Tas starts by talking through her evolution from an aspiring writer to a digital marketing expert, propelled by her early career experiences. Stressing the influence of pivotal mentors and their often brutally honest advice, she walks through the process of finding a specific niche in landing page consultation. Tas candidly shares her insights on staying adaptable, networking's intrinsic value in marketing, and the importance of having a distinct perspective to stand out in a saturated market. Ultimately, her story is a testament to chasing authenticity and passion, serving as motivation for marketers to embrace change and innovation.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #demandcreation #landingpages #writing #ads #niche______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Tas BoberConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Canberk Beker, founder of ROASted, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion focused on the importance of consistent and ambitious experimentation.  Canberk describes his shift from traditional B2C marketing to embracing experimental strategies, emphasizing the significance of pushing boundaries to foster growth.He shares is personal experiences and challenges in advocating for experimentation, especially within the constraints of B2B environments that often prioritize direct metrics like cost per lead over innovative tactics. Highlighted by the stark comparison between B2C and B2B methodologies, this episode delves deep into how his bold moves and risk-taking have led to groundbreaking strategies, such as successfully tapping into competitive keyword spaces and leveraging user-generated insights. As he recounts his various experiments, both successful and unsuccessful, Canberk stresses the critical role of data-and intuition-driven decisions, ultimately inspiring marketers to push past traditional limits to achieve significant breakthroughs in their campaigns.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #demandcreation #adcreative #creativity #ads #experimentation______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Canberk BekerConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Libby Schell, Refine Labs Demand Generation Manager, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion about leading with empathy and humanity in ad creative.  Libby shares her unique path from a strategic communications graduate to a demand generation expert in the B2B SaaS domain. She focuses on how she has worked to balance creativity with marketing strategies to craft compelling ad content that resonates with audiences beyond cliche business jargon.She spotlights the importance of empathy and human-centric creativity in B2B marketing, examining how her artistic insights fuel her advertising and messaging tactics. To cap it off looking forward, Libby discusses some of the nuanced difference between AI and human creativity as we head into the future of marketing within the digital landscape. Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #demandcreation #adcreative #creativity #ads #empathy______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Libby SchellConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Sam Kuehnle, VP of Marketing at Loxo, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion about taking on a leadership role in Demand Creation and how to make an impact.  The discussion focuses on evolving demand generation strategies, the interplay between lead generation and demand creation, and how Sam transitioned from agency work at Refine Labs to a leadership position. Throughout, Sam offers insights into planning effective marketing strategies in a rapidly changing digital landscape.The conversation begins by exploring Sam's marketing journey, from his foundational experiences in a family-run agency to working as an account development representative in SaaS, highlighting his shift from the predictable revenue model to a demand-focused approach inspired by Chris Walker. Sam also shares invaluable advice on stakeholder management, emphasizing the necessity of aligning marketing strategies with overarching business goals. He discusses methodologies for generating quick wins, such as optimizing Google Ads and refining audience targeting, providing practical insights into sustainable marketing practices. The episode concludes with forward-thinking strategies and preparing for the future of marketing, stressing the importance of adaptability and continuous learning.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #demandcreation ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Sam KuehnleConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Ciara Hopkins, VP of Demand Generation  at Refine Labs, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion about leads: leads are not all created equal, and Ciara talks through why, and how to address it.  Ciara starts by talking through her journey, starting as an SDR constantly questioning the ‘why’ behind instant calls and emails to new leads. She highlights the transformation she witnessed and became part of in marketing, moving from traditional lead gen to a demand gen approach.  As a marketer, Ciara emphasizes the crucial role of UTM tracking and high versus low intent categorization in driving marketing efficiency. She highlights the importance of understanding the entire customer journey by collaborating with sales and operational teams to enhance data integrity. She also breaks down the industry's shift toward recognizing the value of brand awareness efforts and the necessity of meaningful KPI development to measure these initiatives effectively. Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #CRM  ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest: Ciara Hopkins Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

Ashley Lewin, Senior Director of Demand Generation at Refine Labs, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion about attribution, and how to bridge the gap traditional software based attribution can leave in your understanding of your customers.  Ashley starts by breaking down each attribution model, including first touch, last touch, multi touch, and self reported, highlighting the strengths and gaps left by each. Then she breaks down the hybrid attribution model, walking through first steps on how to implement and utilize the data insights it can give. Ashley stresses the importance of viewing attribution as a compass to get you close to your destination, rather than a definitive answer, and how staying flexible and curious can help keep you better up to date with the rapidly changing landscape in marketing.  Episode topics: #marketing, #attribution, #demandgeneration, #selfreportedattribution, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #CRM  ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Ashley Lewin Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

Kerri Amodio, Director of Demand Generation at Refine Labs, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion on why (and how) you should start ungating your content.  Kerri starts by explaining how lead generation tactics have become more and more outdated as the market and technology keeps growing and changing. She highlights the necessary shift that marketers need to make towards adopting a demand generation mindset and creating a consistent demand for products and services rather than just generating leads.  Kerri lays out several tactical strategies for effectively measuring and repurposing high-value content. She also stresses the growing importance of building trust and credibility with audiences by delivering authentic and ungated content—content that is open and accessible without barriers such as gated forms or sign-ups, thus fostering a more genuine relationship with the audience. Episode topics: #marketing, #content, #demandgeneration, #contentcreation, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #gatedcontent  ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Kerri Amodio Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

Aaron Weekes, Performance Marketing Manager at Refine Labs, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion on the program he launched on his podcast to help job-seeking marketers work on their content and storytelling.  Aaron shares his personal story with finding himself looking for a new role, and how making connections through content helped him narrow down his search and eventually land his position at Refine Labs. He focuses on the storytelling aspect of marketing, and how generating consistent content on LinkedIn or other platforms can help prospective companies learn more about you before you even apply.  Episode topics: #marketing, #podcasting, #demandgeneration, #contentcreation, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #interview #jobsearch ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Aaron Weekes Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

Megan Bowen, Refine Labs CEO, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for the premiere episode of Stacking Growth: Called to Action. On this season of Stacking Growth, we’re featuring marketing leaders who’ve been called to make a change, and inviting them to share their journey - the highs, the lows, and everything in between.  Megan reflects on the major shifts happening in B2B SaaS companies right now, having moved from the “Growth At All Costs” mindset into a “Profitable, Efficient Growth” mindset as well as the transition through buying Eras from Analog to Website to Dark Social, and now into AI.  She talks about how Change Management is necessary for companies to succeed in moving into the modern era of marketing, especially midmarket enterprise organizations that have been operating successfully for a long time in the Website era. She outlines the crucial steps for navigating change management effectively: assessing reality, updating brand positioning, and phasing into new digital strategies, and how Refine Labs excels at facilitating this process.  Megan shares the darkest moments along her journey, how she was able to push through to grow stronger, and a message of hope in embracing your humanity to find your marketing superpowers.  Episode topics: #marketing, #changemanagement, #demandgeneration, #AI, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing __ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Megan Bowen Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

Refine Labs CEO Megan Bowen hosts Adam Robinson, CEO of Retention.com, to discuss R! B2B: a revolutionary new tool that's changing the game for outbound marketing. R! B2B goes beyond the typical account-level data provided by competitors and delivers personal-level website visitor identification. The tool captures invaluable intent signals by reporting which key decision-makers are visiting your site. Megan discusses how this cutting-edge technology aligns with Refine Labs' own philosophies and strategies, sharing her firsthand experience with the tool after just a few days of implementation. The episode dives into practical strategies on how to leverage these intent signals to foster genuine connections and drive effective sales outreach. With Adam's insights and Megan's keen interest in integrating the tool into Refine Labs' go-to-market strategy, listeners will gain a deep understanding of how to transform medium-intent website visits into high-intent business opportunities.

Sidney Waterfall hosts today, joined by Sydney Sloan, CMO of Drata, to talk about timing in your career - how to know the right time to step away and finding the next right opportunity. She discusses her own experience of taking time off to recharge and reflect before starting her new role at Drata. Sydney also talks about her favorite stage of growth and the importance of finding a company with a strong product-market fit. She emphasizes the need for balance in life and the value of building relationships and connections. Sydney shares her approach to measuring the impact of marketing and the importance of focusing on revenue and efficiency. She also discusses the changing landscape of marketing, including the role of AI and the need for digital sophistication.

Kaylee is back in the host seat today, joined by Lane Scott Jones, Head of Content at Zapier to follow her journey from agency to in-house content marketing roles. She discusses the importance of understanding the mechanics behind the business and mapping content to business goals. Lane also talks about the challenges she faced in transitioning from an agency to an in-house role and how she navigated those waters. She emphasizes the need for content to be seen as a strategic function and the importance of collaboration between content and other marketing teams. Lane also shares insights into Zapier's content team structure and the impact of content on the company's ROI. Link to the Corporate Jargon Translator

Cassidy and Carl are joined by Nate Nasralla, co-founder of Fluint, to discuss the shift in the sales process and the need for a new approach to sales enablement. He explains that in the new world of sales, buyers are already well-educated and are looking for help in building the case for change within their organization. Nate emphasizes the importance of creating account-based content that resonates with the buyer's language and context. He also shares insights on the power of narrative-based business cases and the value of concise and clear writing in sales communication.

“If you don’t know more than them about the decision they’re making, they don’t need you at all” Cassidy and Carl were joined by Anthony Iannarino to follow him through the development of his innovative sales process. He details the inspiration and first experience with this style of selling, and then how he used it to move his and other careers forward. He stresses the four most important things that this strategy establishes: Creating Value Immediately Positioning Yourself as an Expert/Authority Answering: Why Change Making it Easy to Get a Second Meeting He also suggests that SDRs should be involved in the total sales process to learn the language of the client, making the whole team more effective in communication. Finally, he previews his upcoming book Negativity Fast, and the top lesson everyone can learn from it.