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Perpetual Traffic is a weekly podcast for CMOs, marketing directors, and business owners who want to master paid advertising, scale their businesses profitably and stay one step ahead of the shifting paid advertising landscape of today.

Hosted by Ralph Burns (CEO of Tier 11, managing $200M+ in ad spend), the show covers digital marketing strategy, paid traffic optimization, and performance marketing, featuring expert interviews, case studies, and actionable campaign breakdowns.

If you’re tired of wasting ad spend on campaigns that don’t convert, struggling to prove marketing ROI to executives, or overwhelmed by constantly changing platform algorithms and marketing tactics that promise results but deliver disappointment you’re in the right place.

This show will give you the proven strategies from agencies managing millions in ad spend, behind-the-scenes campaign optimizations that actually work, and expert insights on marketing metrics that matter for real business growth.

From Meta Ads and Google optimization to landing page conversion tactics and marketing attribution, each episode delivers actionable strategies you can implement immediately to improve your ROAS and scale your marketing efforts.

Get all the free episode resources at perpetualtraffic.com

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Are you scaling ad spend but getting worse results? If your ROAS looks amazing while your growth stalls, you might be optimizing for the wrong thing, and it’s costing you more than you think.In this episode, I sit down with Scott Desgrosseilliers from Wicked Reports to break down one of the best case studies we’ve ever run at Tier 11. After five consecutive missed forecasts, we made a bold move and achieved incredible results.We cut over 90% of Amazon spend and reallocated the budget to top-of-funnel channels. The result? Four straight quarters of growth, lower customer acquisition costs, and a massive increase in MER.We show you how we used multi-touch attribution, incrementality testing, and creative strategy to drive real business outcomes. If you’ve ever questioned whether your “best” channels are holding you back, this case study will help rethink and optimize your ad budget allocation.In This Episode:- Case study: Five missed forecasts and rising CAC- Meta’s recycling loop explained- AOV and LTV of premium products- Why Google’s nCAC is misleading- Decoding direct traffic on Google - Incrementality testing of Amazon and Google- Results of cutting Amazon spend by 91%- Analyzing the risks of budget reallocation - Scaling the top funnel mix- Wicked Reports breakdown- Organic lift and MER from paid ads- Action steps for brandsMentioned in the Episode:Partner with Tier 11’s Marketing Experts: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply Tier 11’s Data Suite https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suite  Watch the Episode on YouTube: https://perpetualtraffic.com/youtube  Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Scott Desgrosseilliers: Website - https://www.wickedreports.com/ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottd71/ Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-now Mentioned in this episode:Apply for an ad spot on Perpetual Traffic for Q1 or Q2. Visit www.perpetualtraffic.com today to secure your spot!We’re opening up sponsorship spots for Q1 and Q2! https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/
Apply for our free $10,000 audit of your digital strategy: https://www.tiereleven.com/audit Why do some prospects respect you while others walk all over you? When you feel like you’re chasing the sale instead of controlling it, you’re already losing. Neediness kills deals, and most marketers don’t even realize how often they signal it.In this episode, we revisit a conversation I had with Oren Klaff on why traditional sales tactics, including being polite, agreeable, and even “professional,” actually sabotage your results. We get into frame control, status dynamics, and the subtle behaviors that instantly shift power in high-stakes deals. If you’re running an agency, selling high-ticket services, or managing enterprise clients, this conversation will challenge how you show up on every call. You cannot sell from a low-status position. Listen to the discussion closely, and you’ll start spotting where you’ve been giving away leverage without even knowing it.In This Episode:- Oren’s “lose my number” story- Why neediness kills deals- Stop saying please and thank you- Reframing the status and power dynamics- Anchoring your value system- Handling discount requests from buyers- The “final boss” negotiation tacticListen to the Full Episode with Oren Klaff: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s82Goe9d2k  Website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/podcast/episode-745-stop-losing-clients-master-saying-the-quiet-part-out-loud-to-close-deals/ Buy Oren Klaff’s Books:Pitch Anything: https://a.co/d/fRAqAby    Flip The Script: https://a.co/d/hTcp9lP Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Oren Klaff:Website - https://orenklaff.com/    LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/orenklaff/   Newsletter- https://pitchanything.com/  Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-now Mentioned in this episode:https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/We’re opening up sponsorship spots for Q1 and Q2! https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/audit
Has your business growth stalled? You need to audit all aspects of your marketing strategy to uncover the reasons. We are giving away our $10,000 audit process to a few brands. Book your spot: https://www.tiereleven.com/audit Ever been told to cut your losers and let your winners run? It sounds simple enough, but what if this popular advice is actually hurting your ad performance? In today’s episode, we’ll uncover why focusing on CPA (Cost Per Acquisition) might be misleading and what you should do instead to optimize your ad strategy.Tier 11’s John Moran walks us through an experiment where we tested ad sequencing and creative strategies. The results prove that cutting ads based purely on CPA could cost you more than you think. We’ll also break down the right approach to assessing ad performance in the Andromeda era and how understanding traffic stages can completely change the way you think about your ad spend.In This Episode:- Meta Andromeda’s changes after recording the episode- The dangers of cutting your “losers” based on CPA - Case study: Cold traffic trends and clicks to add carts- Examples of user journeys when running UGC ads- Why you should not pause adsMentioned in the Episode:Partner With Our Digital Marketing Experts: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply  Tier 11’s Data Suite: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suite Full Episode, Stop Pausing Ads: Why “Bad” Meta Ads Could Be Your Best Ads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g6N9ZlcW_8 Still Relying on Old Funnels? Here’s What’s Working in Meta Ads Right Now: https://perpetualtraffic.com/podcast/episode-785-still-relying-on-old-funnels-heres-whats-working-in-meta-ads-right-now/  The Funnel Is Dead. Here’s What Full-Funnel Actually Means Now: https://perpetualtraffic.com/podcast/episode-787-the-funnel-is-dead-heres-what-full-funnel-actually-means-now/Why the Funnel Is Dead (And What Actually Drives Growth Now): https://perpetualtraffic.com/podcast/episode-788-why-the-funnel-is-dead-and-what-actually-drives-growth-now/ The New Meta “Feeder Strategy” That Breaks Andromeda (Full Walkthrough): https://perpetualtraffic.com/podcast/episode-757-the-new-meta-feeder-strategy-that-breaks-andromeda-full-walkthrough/Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with John Moran:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnmorangadsConnect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-now Mentioned in this episode:https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/We’re opening up sponsorship spots for Q1 and Q2! https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/audit
Stop spending more on an outdated digital strategy. Let our experts audit it and give you the blueprint you need to scale fast. Book your spot: https://www.tiereleven.com/audit (only 3 spots available).Are you still optimizing channels in isolation, thinking Meta is broken while Google “works”? That mindset is exactly what’s killing your growth. If you’re chasing last-click ROAS or shifting spend based on siloed performance, you’re missing the bigger picture, and it’s costing you more than you think.In this episode, we challenge the entire concept of the traditional funnel. We look at why spending more doesn’t always mean scaling, and how improving conversion rates, content, and product pages can outperform increased ad spend. We share real examples, from Amazon ad spend cuts with zero revenue loss to brands hurting themselves by turning off Meta. We also unpack media efficiency ratio, the halo effect across platforms, and why content is now inseparable from paid media.In This Episode:- Spending more on content and listings to boost ROAS- Insights from Amazon ads case studies- MAP pricing and arbitrage when selling on Amazon- Why siloed attribution is misleading- Media Efficiency Ratio (MER) vs last-click metrics- Marketing history of soap operasMentioned in the Episode:Partner With Our Digital Marketing Experts: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply Part 1: The Funnel Is Dead. Here’s What Full-Funnel Actually Means Now: https://perpetualtraffic.com/podcast/episode-787-the-funnel-is-dead-heres-what-full-funnel-actually-means-now/Tier 11’s Data Suite: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suite Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowMentioned in this episode:https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/We’re opening up sponsorship spots for Q1 and Q2! https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/
Is your digital strategy outdated? Let our experts audit it and give you the blueprint you need to scale. Book your spot: https://www.tiereleven.com/audit (only 3 spots available).Are your ads blending in, allowing cheaper competitors to win? If you’re still leading with product features and price, you’re playing a losing game. The real question is: are you selling what the product does or how it makes people feel?Today, we break down a major shift we’re seeing with Meta and modern performance marketing, where brand storytelling is no longer optional. We walk you through a real case study with a premium hammock brand that couldn’t sell a $4,000 product until we leaned into the founder story, mission, and emotional positioning. We also unpack why relying on Google or Amazon alone is a dangerous strategy and how brands without identity get commoditized overnight. If you want higher margins, better customers, and scalable growth, you’ll need to rethink your entire approach. We’ve got some tips to get you started, so tune in!In This Episode:- Old vs new advertising model- $4,000 Hammock case study- Mini funnel inside ads on Meta- Risks of relying on Google or Amazon only- Emotional brand positioning to boost resultsMentioned in the Episode:Partner With Our Marketing Experts: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply Previous Episode on Comments as a Sales Floor: https://perpetualtraffic.com/podcast/episode-786-your-comments-section-is-a-sales-floor-is-anyone-working-it/Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowMentioned in this episode:https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/We’re opening up sponsorship spots for Q1 and Q2! https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/audit
Are you burning cash on the wrong strategy? Share a few details about your brand, and we’ll show you exactly where you’re leaking profit.Book your spot: https://www.tiereleven.com/audit (only 3 spots available).Is the classic sales funnel dead, or are we just missing the point? Your customers aren't following a simple, linear path anymore. They're multitasking, researching, and engaging in ways we can't afford to ignore.In today’s episode, we talk about the overlooked power of post-click interactions, specifically the importance of responding to comments. We break down why engagement on ads and social media is critical to building trust and converting leads.If you want your sales funnel to work, you can’t afford to leave comments hanging without a response. Quick responses are not just customer service but sales. Join the conversation for tips and tools to ensure you're getting the most out of your social media and ad engagement.In This Episode:- What full funnel means- How social interactions drive conversions- Treating comments as sales and not customer service- Key tools to enhance comment engagement- Conclusion and key takeawaysPartner With Tier 11’s Marketing Experts: https://www.tiereleven.com/applyListen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuKSubscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtrafConnect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburnsInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowConnect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrulloConsult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/Mentioned in this episode:https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/auditWe’re opening up sponsorship spots for Q1 and Q2! https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/
Stop guessing. Get the blueprint you need to scale fast.Book your spot: https://www.tiereleven.com/audit (only 3 spots available).Is your Meta ad strategy outdated? If you're still running campaigns with a rigid funnel approach, you're probably missing out. In this episode, we break down the evolving landscape of Meta campaigns and share insights on how to cut through the noise.We explain why targeting not just existing customers but new and engaged audiences is necessary for driving real growth. Lauren walks us through her "Five Horsemen" strategy, view-through vs. click-through conversions, and why creative diversification should be at the core of your Meta campaigns.We also share the metrics you should track and the strategic adjustments that can lower your cost per acquisition. Join us if you want to grow your brand with more engaged audiences and less wasted ad spend.In This Episode:- Analyzing audience segments in Meta- The "Five Horsemen" funnel strategy- Meta’s limitation in using lead events for sales campaigns- Leveraging reach campaigns in Meta ads- The creative diversification strategy for boosting engagement- Transforming well-performing organic reels into ads- Running ads to earn trust versus increasing sales- Using Meta’s campaign data as directional dataMentioned in the Episode:Part 1 of this episode: https://perpetualtraffic.com/podcast/episode-784-your-cac-is-lying-to-you-heres-the-number-that-isnt/Partner With Our Marketing Experts: https://www.tiereleven.com/applyTier 11’s Data Suite: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suiteMeta Ads Creative Diversification Playbook: https://perpetualtraffic.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Creative-Diversification-Playbook-Practitioner-Guidance.pdfListen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuKSubscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtrafConnect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburnsInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowConnect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrulloConsult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/Mentioned in this episode:https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/auditWe’re opening up sponsorship spots for Q1 and Q2! https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/
Stop flying blind with data! Let us give you the exact blueprint you need to scale fast. Book your spot: https://www.tiereleven.com/audit (only 3 spots available).Is your customer acquisition cost (CAC) accurate? In this episode, we answer the critical question every marketer and business owner faces: Can you trust the data you’re getting from ad platforms? If you can’t fully rely on those numbers, how can you be sure that your strategy is working?We’ll address these questions and share our thoughts on audience definitions, data accuracy, and how to ensure that your marketing efforts are really driving new customer acquisition. We also reveal how you can start tracking new customers with a high degree of confidence, even if you don’t have access to advanced reporting tools.If you’re ready to get a clearer view of your numbers and know exactly where your growth is coming from, this episode is for you. In This Episode:- How to ensure customer acquisition data is accurate- Meta’s audience definitions and why they matter- Is Meta’s data on new and returning customers accurate?- Uploading customer and lead lists to improve accuracy- How to find new customer data on Meta and CRM dashboards Mentioned in the Episode:Partner With Our Marketing Experts: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply  Tier 11’s Data Suite: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suite   Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-now Connect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrullo  Consult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/ Mentioned in this episode:https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/We’re opening up sponsorship spots for Q1 and Q2! https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.tiereleven.com/audit
Stop guessing. Get the blueprint to scale: https://www.tiereleven.com/audit Are your ads working, or are the dashboards just telling you what you want to hear? Too many marketers celebrate high ROAS inside Meta or Google while revenue in Shopify tells a very different story. If your agency is “reporting well” but the business isn’t growing, something is broken.In this episode, we break down why in-app metrics are often misleading, how platforms double-count conversions, and why your CRM or store data must always be the source of truth. We also share the questions every VP of Marketing should ask their agency to force better thinking, stronger accountability, and a real growth strategy.You’ll learn how to challenge reporting, uncover hidden attribution issues, and turn agency meetings into strategic conversations instead of dashboard reviews. If you manage paid media or manage the people managing it, this one will help you evaluate performance.In This Episode:- Vanity metrics vs real revenue- Why attribution models conflict- View-through vs click attribution- Addressing tracking setup mistakes- Three questions to ask your agency- Which answers should raise red flags?- Questions for monthly and quarterly reviews- Challenging agencies to think of your money as theirs- Agencies should perform, not report wellMentioned in the Episode:Stop guessing. Get the blueprint to scale: https://www.tiereleven.com/audit Is Your Agency Performing Or Just Reporting Well?: https://youtu.be/F6iGYu7Dv4sListen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-now Connect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrullo  Consult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/ Mentioned in this episode:https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/auditWe’re opening up sponsorship spots for Q1 and Q2! Apply now by visiting www.perpetualtraffic.com https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/
Stop guessing. Get the blueprint to scale: https://www.tiereleven.com/audit Are you getting the results you expect from your agency? Or is your marketing just vanity metrics? Too often, businesses spend thousands of dollars without understanding whether their marketing is truly driving revenue. In today’s episode, we get into why performance marketing should focus on what matters most: the impact on your bottom line.We break down the issues we’re seeing in the agency space, including a shocking example of a business spending $30-40K a month without any measurable results, all because their agency failed to focus on tracking what actually moves the needle. But it’s not just about hiring agencies but also about how to hold your team accountable.We’ll share some tips to help you recognize if your agency is really performing or just reporting numbers that look good on paper. You’ll gain a better understanding of what to look for in your agency relationships, what metrics to monitor, and how to make smarter marketing decisions. In This Episode:- Vanity metrics vs. real performance- When should you hire an agency vs. in-house contractors?- The financial cost of hiring a marketing agency- Determining the type of agency your business needs- Dealing with inaccurate agency reports- Key metrics to measure marketing performance- What should your agency’s dashboard show?Mentioned in the Episode:Stop guessing. Get the blueprint to scale: https://www.tiereleven.com/audit Tier 11’s Data Suite: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suite  Tier 11’s Marketing Performance Indicators (MPI) Checklist:  https://www.tiereleven.com/marketing-performance-indicators Creative Diversification Playbook: https://perpetualtraffic.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Creative-Diversification-Playbook-Practitioner-Guidance.pdf Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-now Connect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrullo  Consult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/ Mentioned in this episode:https://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.tiereleven.com/audit
Partner with our Meta ads experts: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply Are your ads “good enough” but still not getting anyone to fall in love? If your creative looks like vanilla ice cream, you’re probably forcing Meta to guess, and that’s basically running your business off a magic "8 ball."In this episode, we use ice cream flavors to explain what Meta’s real creative diversification demands. We break down why “pink shirt vs blue shirt” isn’t diversification, how the 25% (or more) difference rule actually plays out, and why you need multiple angles that feel like totally different flavors, not vanilla bean vs French vanilla.By the end of the episode, you’ll know about building a simple “Rule of Six” creative system, why contribution matters more than last-click attribution, and how to stop turning off ads that are doing the heavy lifting in the background. Give this one a listen, then go build your Baskin-Robbins ad account.In this episode:- Are you running “vanilla” ads?- Creating memorable ads that convert- Meta’s creative diversification playbook- Hook rate vs conversions- Contribution vs attribution- The rule of six for Meta ads- Why you need a real source of truthMentioned in the Episode:Partner with our Meta ads experts: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply Tier 11’s Data Suite: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suite Previous Episode on Pausing Ads: https://perpetualtraffic.com/podcast/episode-743-stop-pausing-winning-ads-andromeda-ad-strategy-that-changes-everything/ Ice Cream Place in New Zealand: https://www.patagoniachocolates.co.nz/pages/ice-cream-flavours Previous Episode with John Moran: https://perpetualtraffic.com/?s=john+moran Google Search Console: https://search.google.com/search-console Creative Diversification Playbook: https://perpetualtraffic.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Creative-Diversification-Playbook-Practitioner-Guidance.pdf Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-now Connect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrullo Consult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/ Mentioned in this episode:https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/audit
Relying solely on Google ads to drive leads is risky. Our team can help you balance Meta and Google ads to lower costs and boost conversions. Partner with our marketing experts today: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply Tier 11’s Oli Liboy joins me to explore the multi-channel strategy that earned a personal injury law firm $55.2M in revenue. We discuss how Google’s shift from a traffic machine to an intent machine has changed the game for high-stakes industries. Oli shares how Meta ads, combined with Google’s intent-driven platform, work together to generate both awareness and high-quality leads even in the most competitive markets.If you’re a lawyer or marketer in this space, or just interested in the future of digital marketing, this episode is packed with valuable insights. We’ll break down strategies for scaling your paid ads without blowing your budget, optimizing your Google campaigns for intent, and creating brand awareness through Meta.In This Episode:- Oli's background and experience- The danger of relying only on Google Ads- Google Ads transformation into an "intent machine"- Balancing Meta and Google ads strategies- Why generating awareness on Meta is critical for conversions on Google - Using Google and Meta ads for personal injury cases- The importance of tracking and CRM setup- Optimal scenario for combining Meta and Google- How Google local services ads (LSAs) work- Qualifying Google ad clicks- Optimizing the Meta and Google mix for a law firm- The real results of the personal injury case studyMentioned in the Episode:Part 1 of How We Made a Personal Injury Law Firm $55.2M: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_SiPLJYzkI Part 2 of How We Made a Personal Injury Law Firm $55.2M:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWrUeotDYzs Previous Episodes On The Personal Injury Law Case Study: https://perpetualtraffic.com/?s=personal+injury+law Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Oli Liboy:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oli-liboy Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-now Connect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrullo Consult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/ Mentioned in this episode:https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetual
The right digital marketing strategy can turn high-cost clicks into millions in revenue. We want to help your business achieve this and more!Partner with our marketing experts today: https://www.tiereleven.com/applyToday, we continue our review of a real-world personal injury law firm case study where we transformed a modest ad spend into over $184 million in settlements. We didn't just buy media; we built a strategic, multi-channel system that generated outstanding results.I’ll walk you through the specific steps we took, from installing tracking software to optimizing the site post-click. The game-changer was refining the landing pages and ad creatives, improving conversion rates, and building a cohesive Google and Meta strategy. Consequently, we achieved a significant drop in cost per signed case and a massive increase in qualified leads.If you're serious about scaling your business, whether in legal services or other services, this three-part series will help you refine your approach to paid media in 2026 and beyond.In This Episode:- Introduction and part 1 recap- Optimizing after-the-click experience- Results after optimizing landing pages- Continued optimization of Meta and Google ads- Google Ads performance in 2025- How Meta and Google work together- Final results: Scaling to $184 million in settlementsMentioned in the Episode:Watch Part 1 of How We Made a Personal Injury Law Firm $55.2M: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_SiPLJYzkIDownload Tier 11’s Marketing Performance Indicators (MPI) Checklist: https://www.tiereleven.com/mpiTier 11’s Data Suite: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suiteTier 11’s nCAC Calculator: https://www.tiereleven.com/ncacPrevious Episodes On The Personal Injury Law Case Study: https://perpetualtraffic.com/?s=personal+injury+lawListen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuKSubscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtrafConnect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburnsInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowConnect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrulloConsult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/Mentioned in this episode:https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/
You can scale your business fast with the right digital marketing partners and strategy.Partner with our Meta ads experts: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply Are you still betting your entire growth plan on Google? If you’re treating search like the “engine,” you might be building demand everywhere else and giving it zero credit.In this case study, I break down four years of work inside one of the most brutally competitive niches we serve. Personal injury law. We took a Michigan firm from messy tracking and misaligned leads to a machine that consistently optimized for the only metric that matters: signed cases. Early on, we drove a 70% drop in cost per signed case to about $1,518 and still achieved roughly a 20x ROI. I’ll walk you through the Meta and Google synergy, the tracking stack that made optimization possible, and the “signed case maximizer” framework we use to scale without drowning in junk leads. In This Episode:- Early wins: leads, CPL, and CPC improvements- The 1,500 CAC and 20x ROI math- Spending $2,900 per signed case for $55m in revenue- Case diagnosis: no avatar and conversion tracking- Prescription: installing Tier 11 Data Suite- Deploying the signed case maximizer framework- Using Google’s 90-day conversion tracking window- Installing the digital strategy velocity engine- Combining Meta and Google ads to maximize results- Impressions and leads from optimized adsMentioned in the Episode:Tier 11’s Data Suite: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suite Tier 11’s nCAC Calculator: https://www.tiereleven.com/ncac Previous Episodes On The Personal Injury Law Case: https://perpetualtraffic.com/?s=personal+injury+law Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-now Connect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrullo Consult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/ Mentioned in this episode:https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://www.tiereleven.com/audit
Stop settling for slow revenue growth! You can scale your business fast with the right digital marketing partners and strategy.Partner with our Meta ads experts: https://www.tiereleven.com/applyWhy do some businesses just seem to explode in revenue while others struggle to scale? It's not luck, it’s strategy. In today’s episode, we’re reviewing a premium e-commerce case study that shows exactly how we helped a $5M brand reach $32M in just two years.We’ll talk about how we tackled some of their biggest challenges, from limiting customer acquisition costs to refining their targeting and focusing on their hero products. With a premium product and a clear goal, we fine-tuned their marketing approach to deliver a 543% increase in revenue and a 503% increase in new customers.You can apply the same strategy to your own business, whether you’re in e-commerce, services, or even digital products. Tune in to learn the steps we took and how they’re planning for even bigger success in the coming years.In This Episode:- Case study: scaling revenue from $5M to $32M- Key challenges that stunted revenue growth- The steps we took to scale faster and the results- Leveraging insights from Tier 11’s Data Suite- The impact of creative diversification on Meta ads- Conclusion and the client’s growth plansMentioned in the Episode:Creative Diversification Playbook: https://perpetualtraffic.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Creative-Diversification-Playbook-Practitioner-Guidance.pdfTier 11’s Data Suite: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suiteMarketing Performance Indicators (MPI) Checklist: https://www.tiereleven.com/marketing-performance-indicatorsTier 11’s nCAC Calculator: https://www.tiereleven.com/ncacPrevious Episode On Why Meta Is The Best Ad Platform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRnglXjlwMoListen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuKSubscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtrafConnect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburnsInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowConnect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrulloConsult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/Mentioned in this episode:https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://www.tiereleven.com/audit
If you’re still measuring success by direct conversions alone, you could be missing the bigger picture in your campaigns. Meta is shifting its focus, and if you're not adapting, your business will be left behind.In today’s episode, we share insights from testing with over $50 million in ad spend. You’ll hear about the importance of metrics like hook rate and hold rate, and how creative optimization is key to staying ahead. We also explain why viewing your campaigns holistically, not just through conversions, is the future of effective ad buying.Plus, you’ll gain a clear understanding of how to navigate these changes, tweak your media buying strategy, and optimize your campaigns for better customer acquisition. Join the conversation now and learn how we’re adjusting our strategy to scale ad performance and acquire customers profitably.In This Episode:- Meta’s shift from sales to leading indicators- Why video ads are now key to ad performance- Live presentation: analysing hook and hold rates- How hook rate and hold rate work together- Real-world examples of hook and hold rates testing- Why media buyers need to be growth strategists nowMentioned in the Episode:Previous Episode with Motion’s CEO: https://perpetualtraffic.com/podcast/episode-769-the-biggest-creative-trends-in-2026-revealed-with-reza-khadjavi/Previous Episodes with John Moran: https://perpetualtraffic.com/?s=john+moranWatch the Episode on YouTube: https://perpetualtraffic.com/youtubeListen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuKSubscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtrafConnect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburnsInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowConnect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrulloConsult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/Mentioned in this episode:https://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/audit
Apply to Work With Tier 11: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowIf your campaigns aren’t scaling as you'd like and CPMs keep rising, it’s time to refresh your social media marketing strategy. In today’s episode, we explain in detail why creative diversification is the key to succeeding with Meta ads in 2026 and beyond.We discuss how to break free from old, hacky methods like the Michigan Method and explain how the Meta algorithm is designed to do the heavy lifting, if you let it. We talk about the importance of running multiple, varied ads to speak to different segments of your audience and provide real examples of how this works in practice.If you want to know how to evolve your approach, increase engagement, and set up campaigns that actually scale, you won’t want to miss this one. You’ll understand why "one-size-fits-all" advertising no longer cuts it and what to do instead.In This Episode:- How Facebook ads have evolved over time- Creative diversification explained- How to create different ICPs for Meta ads- Designing the right creative angle for each audience- Looking for ad hacks vs developing a strong brand- Final thoughts on outdated advertising strategiesMentioned in the Episode:Creative Diversification Playbook: https://perpetualtraffic.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Creative-Diversification-Playbook-Practitioner-Guidance.pdfMeta's Ad Creative Guidelines: https://web.facebook.com/business/m/small-business/creative-differentiation?_rdc=1&_rdr#Previous episode on the Michigan Method: https://perpetualtraffic.com/podcast/scale-your-facebook-ad-campaign/Previous episode with Cole Turner: https://perpetualtraffic.com/podcast/episode-747-the-1-mistake-thats-secretly-killing-your-meta-andromeda-ads-with-cole-turner/Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuKSubscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtrafConnect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburnsInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowConnect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrulloConsult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/Mentioned in this episode:https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/audit
Are you hesitant to invest in your team, fearing they might leave after you put in all that time and money? What if the real risk is in not investing, and they stay? Low-performing and uninspired. In this episode, Lauren and I chat about how investing in your team can create a powerful internal moat that attracts the right people and drives your business forward.We discuss a recent initiative at Lauren's company in which a team member took the lead to improve an internal process and created an SOP for it. It's a perfect example of why fostering initiative and empowering employees to take ownership can elevate your entire team’s performance.If you're struggling to create that type of culture, this conversation will give you ideas for reevaluating your core values to ensure your team’s alignment and ultimately build a work environment where the best talent thrives. We also explore how these ideas translate into digital marketing, leadership, and managing remote teams effectively.In This Episode:- Core values, employee initiative, & continuous learning- The risk of not investing in your team and gatekeeping- Meta's strategic investments in employee acquisition and AI- Creating an internal moat for your business- The people analyzer process, based on core values- Adapting to external challenges in digital marketing- Why radical candor and emotional intelligence are critical- Final thoughts on creating a moat and call to actionMentioned in the Episode:Gino Wickman’s book, Traction: https://a.co/d/01q1TP4OPatrick Lencioni’s book, The Ideal Team Player: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1119209595/Creating custom emojis on Slack: https://slack.com/help/articles/206870177-Add-custom-emoji-and-aliases-to-your-workspaceApply to Work With Tier 11: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowListen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuKSubscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtrafConnect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburnsInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowConnect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrulloConsult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/Mentioned in this episode:https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/audit
Stop losing customer insights to privacy blockers! Make confident, data-driven marketing decisions with Tier 11’s Data Suite.Learn more and schedule a call at: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suite Are you flying blind with your ad data? With ad blockers, privacy laws, and tracking issues, Meta can't always give you the full picture. So how do you trust your numbers and make better decisions for your business?In today’s episode, we tackle a crucial topic for anyone managing Meta ads: how to optimize data for accurate results. Joined by Cameron Campbell, we explain the difference between Meta’s Conversion API (CAPI) and the Tier 11 Data Suite, and why relying on just in-platform metrics can lead you to make costly mistakes.We also talk about the role of first-party data and why it's the foundation for building a solid marketing strategy. We wrap up with proven strategies on improving your ad campaign's performance, understanding customer acquisition costs, and knowing when to pull the plug on underperforming campaigns.In This Episode:- What are Marketing Performance Indicators (MPIs)?- The problem with Meta's in-platform data- Comparing Meta’s CAPI with Tier 11 Data Suite- Differences between first-party and third-party data- How to measure customer acquisition costs accurately- Measuring nCAC with Tier 11 Data Suite vs. CAPI- Comparing data in Meta vs Tier 11 Data Suite’s interfaces- Understanding time lag and how it impacts your decisionsMentioned in the Episode:Get Your Marketing Performance Indicators (MPIs) Checklist Now: https://www.tiereleven.com/mpi Apply to Work With Tier 11: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowListen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Cameron Campbell:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cameron-campbell-b5070759/ Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-now Connect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrullo Consult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/Mentioned in this episode:https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/
Apply to Work With Tier 11: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowAre you still pausing “winning” ads because Meta tells you the CPA is broken? In this episode, we break down the next layer of our three-part series on why turning off Meta’s conversion obsession is the smartest move you can make right now.John Moran walks us through a real case study where individual category campaigns, feeder strategy, and engagement metrics drove an 80% lift in new customers. We unpack why hook rate, CTR, and directional signals matter more than platform-reported conversions, and how Shopify and blended nCAC become the real source of truth.We also connect the dots between Meta and Google in a way most marketers completely miss. You’ll hear how improved Meta creative reduced Google spend by 20% while increasing total new customers by 37%. And if you want proof that Meta is a top-of-funnel growth engine and not an attribution tool, this episode lays it out step by step.In This Episode:- Why you should not pause winning ads- Hook rate & outbound CTR benchmarks- Example of benchmarking with nCAC- Amazon, Google, and Meta sales overlap- Case study: Meta’s impact on Google resultsMentioned in the Episode:Previous Episodes On Why You Should Not Pause Ads: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_trafficTier 11’s nCAC: https://www.tiereleven.com/ncacTier 11’s Data Suite: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suiteListen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuKSubscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtrafConnect with John Moran:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnmorangadsConnect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburnsInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowConnect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrulloConsult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/Mentioned in this episode:https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.tiereleven.com/audit
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Josh Garris

Beyond a podcast, it's a marketing masterclass that transformed my career & keeps redefining my approach. Ralph, Kasim & Molly, along with A-list guests, deliver cutting-edge strategies & actionable insights for everyone: freelancers, agencies, CEOs & more. Every episode explodes with knowledge bombs, making it THE marketing podcast (trust me, I listen to them all!). Thanks for opening doors & igniting growth. Can't wait for more marketing magic! #Perpetualtraffic (PS I’d love to go to T&C!)

Dec 21st
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Michael Jensen

here

Sep 10th
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Linus Lim

What happened to this podcast? I have been listening since 2017 and the amount of promotions to value recently is appalling!

Apr 24th
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Skyler Moon🌙

LMAO 🤣

Jan 21st
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little king

I like this and I'll liason more.

Jan 19th
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Fotocatcher

Found this by listening to James Schramko. His info is mostly above my pay grade (my goals ate only 10k a month 😂). But using FB ads is huge for me and I love the recent conversation Molly had with James about the subject. It proves exactly what I had been thinking and why my most recent ads were simply promotion of posts that were already popular on their own. Going to be a faithful follower on here I'm sure!

Feb 28th
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Freddie Garay

amazing!

Oct 20th
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Prabhjot Singh

glad i heard this episode 😍

Sep 14th
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Kenneth Dylan Lam

nicccceee!

Jul 19th
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Marin Zlatarić

Great insight

Jun 27th
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