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Get the latest news and analysis about the Cleveland Browns from Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, Dan Labbe and special guests on cleveland.com
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, and Dan Labbe dive into the biggest question facing the Browns this offseason: Who will be their quarterback?
The conversation kicks off with a deep dive into the most intriguing external option, Malik Willis. The crew discusses if his dual-threat skill set is the perfect match for new head coach Todd Monken's system, but they also weigh the significant financial commitment and risk involved with his
limited playing time.
With other teams like the Miami Dolphins reportedly interested, will the Browns even have a shot?
Then they pivot to the internal options, debating whether the team is better off exploring what they have in Shedeur Sanders or the recovering Deshaun Watson, who has recently started throwing again.
Could a new offensive system finally unlock the elite player Watson once was?
They also touch on veteran free agents like Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr and analyze the front office's philosophy of turning over every stone to find the right answer at the most important position in football.
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1It's the end of an era in Cleveland as David Njoku says farewell after nine seasons. Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to the news that the tight end will not be re-signing with the Browns, a move that wasn't a surprise but is still tough for many fans.
The crew discusses how the emergence of Harold Fannin Jr. as the new TE1 and the team's youth movement signaled the writing was on the wall. They look back at Njoku's fascinating Browns career, from being drafted at just
20 years old and maturing on the job to his memorable on-field moments and his unique, fun-loving personality that made him a fan favorite.
Was his full potential ever realized in Cleveland? The hosts debate his ups and downs, the impact of inconsistent QB play and what his departure means as the Browns officially close the book on this era and focus on building a new core through the draft.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe dive headfirst into the Browns' offseason now that the Super Bowl is in the rearview mirror.
They kick things off by analyzing the lessons the Browns can learn from the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks' defense-first strategy and what it means for finding the right quarterback.
This sparks a deep dive into the Browns' most pressing questions, starting with the QB position. Should they swing for the fences and trade multiple first-round picks for a top draft prospect like Fernando Mendoza? Or is the answer already in the building?
Mary Kay and Dan discuss the future of Deshaun Watson, the fan base's complicated relationship with him, and the organization's desire to salvage the trade.
They also tackle the Shedeur Sanders situation and whether he is the definitive QB1.
And, of course, there’s the fallout from Jim Schwartz's sudden resignation and the contract situation that follows.
Finally, they gauge the fan base's confidence in new head coach Todd Monken and the immense pressure on him to fix the offense and choose the right quarterback to lead it.
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Browns defensive coordinator resigned from his position, deciding not to remain on new head coach Todd Monken's staff after he was passed over for the job. It ends a tumultuous two weeks that capped the Browns' head coaching search.
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to the news on this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast.
They start by talking about if there was a scenario where things could have worked out for Schwartz with the Browns and why it went sideways.
Then they look at some of the Browns options to replace Schwartz. Will they look internally or will they find someone on the outside to replace him?
They also talk about Myles Garrett winning his second Defensive Player of the Year award and Carson Schwesinger winning Defensive Rookie of the Year.
Then they share their thoughts on the Super Bowl.
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The Browns introduced Todd Monken as their new head coach on Tuesday, ushering in a new era as they continue to restock their roster with young talent this offseason.
Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe talked about what Monken had to say on Tuesday on this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast and what the Browns need to focus on to get the offense right for him this offseason.
They start by talking about if Monken’s approach will be a welcome change for the franchise and the lessons he’ll still need to learn, even at 60 years old.
Then they dig into the areas the Browns need to attack on the offensive side of the ball.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe break down the introductory press conference for new head coach Todd Monken and dive into the two biggest questions facing the Browns.
First, they tackle the uncertain future of defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz. After being passed over for the head coaching job, will he return?
They discuss the potential for an “explosive situation” if a partnership is forced and whether Monken is equipped to handle the dynamic. With Schwartz’s options limited to returning or retiring, the hosts debate if the Browns should let him go or hold him to his contract.
Then, the conversation shifts to the offense and the murky quarterback room Monken inherits.
The hosts explore the possibility of Monken fixing Deshaun Watson and salvaging the controversial trade, noting the coach’s intrigue with the talented QB. They also discuss the supreme confidence of Shedeur Sanders and how Monken’s tough, old-school coaching style will create a new dynamic and a potential two-man competition for the starting job this offseason.
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New Browns head coach Todd Monken is working on putting together his staff, but the biggest piece of the puzzle is still unknown.
Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz and the Browns are in a bit of a standoff and that’s where Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe start on a Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast.
Should the Browns hold firm on not letting Schwartz leave and convince him to come back or would they be better off letting him go and moving on?
They also discuss the quarterback situation and if Deshaun Watson really is a viable option for the Browns in 2026.
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On a weekend edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe start by discussing Twitter post that shook Berea -- new head coach Todd Monken's arrival and his enthusiastic greeting of quarterback Shedeur Sanders, reigniting the conversation about the team's future under center.
The crew analyzes the potential quarterback competition between Sanders and a healthy Deshaun Watson, exploring how Monken, a renowned quarterback whisperer, might unlock the best in either player.
Lance Reisland also joined the show. As a long-time admirer of Monken's work, Reisland provides analysis on his coaching philosophy, breaking down his flexible, player-focused schemes and why he's a great fit in Cleveland.
They discuss which offensive players stand to benefit the most from the new system and what the Browns' biggest offseason needs are, from the offensive line to skill positions.
Then Lance and Dan do a draft of snow day activities.
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On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe continue discussing the Browns' hiring of Todd Monken.
They tackle the mixed reactions from the fan base, with Mary Kay making a strong case for the hire. She contrasts Monken’s extensive, proven track record of offensive success in Baltimore and Tampa Bay with the high-risk nature of hiring a younger, less experienced candidate.
The conversation also explores the significant fallout from the coaching change, including the uncertain future of defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz and how star player Myles Garrett might react to his potential departure. They discuss how Monken must navigate these delicate situations to unite the team.
Finally, as a Pro Football Hall of Fame voter, Mary Kay provides a rare inside look into the controversial voting process that led to Bill Belichick not being a first-ballot inductee. She explains the complexities of the system, her disappointment in the outcome, and why she believes changes are necessary for the future.
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The Browns hired Todd Monken as their 19th head coach, and Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are here to break it all down on the latest Orange and Brown Talk podcast. They discuss their initial reactions to a hire that wasn't at the top of many lists but was a name Mary Kay insisted was in the running until the very end.
They dive into Monken's impressive resume, his old-school, no-nonsense coaching style and why the Browns may have opted for his experience over younger, unproven candidates.
They also get into the fallout from passing on defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz. Will Schwartz leave the team, and how would the locker room react?
They debate whether Monken is the right man to handle that potential crisis and the larger task of rebuilding the offense around an uncertain quarterback situation. They also discuss the pressure on GM Andrew Berry
to get this right and supply Monken with the talent he needs to succeed.
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On this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe try to keep up with everything happening in the Browns' head coaching search.
Jaguars offensive coordinator Grant Udinski pulled himself from consideration on the same day the Browns flew to Los Angeles to meet with Rams pass game coordinator Nate Scheelhaase.
Then the Buffalo Bills requested an interview with Scheelhaase while his lengthy session with the Browns was ongoing.
And, by the time you hear this, maybe everything has been resolved.
Either way, on our Monday podcast, Mary Kay and Dan check in and try to make sense of things as the coaching search nears the finish line.
Listen as they talk through the latest in the Browns’ quest to find a new top man for their organization.
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On this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe navigate the increasingly chaotic Browns coaching search.
With Jesse Minter out, they discuss the remaining candidates and the complex scenarios ahead.
Could Jim Schwartz get the job by default, or will he issue an ultimatum to the front office?
They explore the potential ripple effects of Schwartz's future, including the impact on star player Myles Garrett. They also analyze the standing of other candidates like Todd Monken, Grant Udinski and Nathan Scheelhaase.
Listen as they talk through the latest in the Browns’ quest to find a new top man for their organization.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe reset the Browns' ongoing head coaching search.
With Mike McDaniel backing out to take the Chargers' OC job and Tommy Rees joining Kevin Stefanski in Atlanta, the interview schedule is shifting.
They discuss the upcoming second interviews with candidates like Jesse Minter, Grant Udinski and Nate Scheelhaase.
The central debate revolves around the pros and cons of hiring a young, offensive-minded innovator versus a more experienced veteran coach like Jim Schwartz or Todd Monken.
They analyze the relatively thin resumes of the younger candidates and stress the importance of building a strong, veteran support staff around a first-time head coach.
The conversation also explores Kevin Stefanski's new situation in Atlanta, as he gets the band back together with former Browns coaches. They highlight how his success, much like the future of the Browns' next coach, will ultimately depend on finding a solution at the all-important quarterback position.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to a chaotic night in the Browns' head coaching search.
The big news is that Mike McDaniel has withdrawn his name from consideration, just a day before his scheduled in-person interview. The crew discusses the massive implications of this decision, including how it complicates the Browns' need to satisfy the Rooney Rule and what it says about the appeal of the Cleveland job, especially given the uncertainty at
quarterback.
They also touch on other candidates like Todd Monken, Jim Schwartz and the young offensive minds still in the running.
Then, the podcast takes a detour to discuss some drama involving a former Browns quarterback and a former Browns coach.
Baker Mayfield took to social media to call out Kevin Stefanski, who is now the head coach in Atlanta. The hosts revisit the fractured relationship between the two from the 2021 season, referencing Mary Kay's reporting from that time, and discuss the new rivalry brewing in the NFC South.
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On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe start with the surprising news of Sean McDermott’s firing from the Buffalo Bills and what it means for the Browns' head coaching search.
As the Browns enter Week 3 of their search and begin second interviews, a proven winner is now on the market. Mary Kay explains why the Browns will likely at least kick the tires on McDermott.
The conversation also highlights the biggest challenge facing the Browns: their murky quarterback situation.
They discuss how the uncertainty surrounding Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson could make top candidates hesitant.
They also talk about how the now-vacant Bills job, with a superstar quarterback in Josh Allen, instantly becomes one of the most attractive openings.
Even without a stable quarterback situation, is the Browns’ talented defense enough of a selling point to overcome the questions on offense.
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On a Friday episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe talk Browns defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz getting the first second interview in the team’s coaching search.
They discuss why he's a popular choice with players and fans, representing the path of least resistance by keeping the team's dominant defense intact. They explore what his promotion would mean for the team's identity and the necessary overhaul on the offensive side of the ball.
They also cover the other dominoes, including Todd Monken getting a second interview and the uncertain future of offensive coordinator Tommy Rees.
Will the Browns look to build on their defensive strength and find a quarterback they can win with, or will another candidate emerge from their ongoing interviews?
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On Thursday's Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to John Harbaugh taking the head coaching job with the Giants. They discuss why the Giants were a more attractive destination and why the Browns never really got a chance to make their pitch.
Then, they reset the Browns' coaching search and take a deep dive into some of the top candidates.
They discuss the pros and cons of hiring a defensive-minded coach like Rams DC Chris Shula and how his 3-4 scheme would fit with the Browns' current personnel.
They also look at the young, up-and-coming offensive candidates, including Jaguars OC Grant Udinski and Bengals offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher, and wonder if the Browns' uncertain quarterback situation will be a deterrent.
Finally, they discuss internal candidates like Tommy Rees and what the future might hold for the staff as the search continues.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe dive into the news of quarterback Dante
Moore returning to Oregon and its impact on the Browns.
They discuss how a thinning quarterback draft class complicates the Browns' plans at the No. 6 pick and potentially increases the likelihood of Shedeur Sanders competing for the starting job in 2026.
They talk about the ripple effects across the draft, exploring potential strategies for Andrew Berry, from trading back to targeting a sleeper prospect like Garrett Nussmeier.
They also debate the necessity for the Browns to continue taking swings at the quarterback position, whether through the draft or by acquiring another veteran to compete with Sanders, Dillon Gabriel and Deshaun
Watson.
Later, the podcast shifts to the latest updates on the Browns' coaching search. Mary Kay provides insights into the team's interview schedule, including candidates like Jesse Minter and the plan to request an interview with Chris Shula.
They break down how the broader coaching carousel, featuring names like John Harbaugh and Mike McDaniel, could create a domino effect and influence the Browns' final decision.
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A seismic shift has rocked the AFC North. With Mike Tomlin stepping down as the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers after 19 years, the division's landscape is changing dramatically.
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe kick off the Orange and Brown Talk podcast by breaking down the monumental news and what it means for the Browns. They discuss the changing of the guard with both Tomlin and John Harbaugh gone from their long-tenured posts, creating a massive opportunity for the Browns to seize the moment and return to respectability in a now wide-open division.
Then, Lance Reisland joins the show for a deep dive into the Browns' coaching search. Lance provides detailed scouting reports on some of the top candidates, both well-known and under-the-radar.
He talks with Dan about the potential fits of Cincinnati's Dan Pitcher, Jacksonville's young offensive coordinator Grant Udinski, the Rams' Nathan Scheelhaase and Miami's Mike McDaniel.
They weigh the risks and rewards of hiring a young, brilliant mind versus a more established coach and discuss what it takes to succeed as a head coach in the NFL.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe get into the latest on the Browns’ head coaching search.
The big news is Mike McDaniel's interview, and they break down the Browns' long-standing admiration for his "offensive wizardry" and brilliant football mind.
They explore the crowded and eclectic field of candidates, from rising offensive stars like the Rams' Nathan Nathan Scheelhaase and the very young Jaguars' OC, Grant Udinski, to established defensive coordinators like their own Jim Schwartz.
They get into the future of Schwartz -- Will he stay as DC if he doesn't get the top job, and how would his departure impact Myles Garrett?
Answering questions from Football Insider subscribers, they tackle the challenges young coaches face when leaping to the head coach role, the viability of a defensive-minded leader in today's NFL and where former coach Kevin Stefanski might land.
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