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Get the latest news and analysis about the Cleveland Browns from Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, Dan Labbe and special guests on cleveland.com
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to a chaotic night in the Browns' head coaching search.
The big news is that Mike McDaniel has withdrawn his name from consideration, just a day before his scheduled in-person interview. The crew discusses the massive implications of this decision, including how it complicates the Browns' need to satisfy the Rooney Rule and what it says about the appeal of the Cleveland job, especially given the uncertainty at
quarterback.
They also touch on other candidates like Todd Monken, Jim Schwartz and the young offensive minds still in the running.
Then, the podcast takes a detour to discuss some drama involving a former Browns quarterback and a former Browns coach.
Baker Mayfield took to social media to call out Kevin Stefanski, who is now the head coach in Atlanta. The hosts revisit the fractured relationship between the two from the 2021 season, referencing Mary Kay's reporting from that time, and discuss the new rivalry brewing in the NFC South.
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On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe start with the surprising news of Sean McDermott’s firing from the Buffalo Bills and what it means for the Browns' head coaching search.
As the Browns enter Week 3 of their search and begin second interviews, a proven winner is now on the market. Mary Kay explains why the Browns will likely at least kick the tires on McDermott.
The conversation also highlights the biggest challenge facing the Browns: their murky quarterback situation.
They discuss how the uncertainty surrounding Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson could make top candidates hesitant.
They also talk about how the now-vacant Bills job, with a superstar quarterback in Josh Allen, instantly becomes one of the most attractive openings.
Even without a stable quarterback situation, is the Browns’ talented defense enough of a selling point to overcome the questions on offense.
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On a Friday episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe talk Browns defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz getting the first second interview in the team’s coaching search.
They discuss why he's a popular choice with players and fans, representing the path of least resistance by keeping the team's dominant defense intact. They explore what his promotion would mean for the team's identity and the necessary overhaul on the offensive side of the ball.
They also cover the other dominoes, including Todd Monken getting a second interview and the uncertain future of offensive coordinator Tommy Rees.
Will the Browns look to build on their defensive strength and find a quarterback they can win with, or will another candidate emerge from their ongoing interviews?
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On Thursday's Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to John Harbaugh taking the head coaching job with the Giants. They discuss why the Giants were a more attractive destination and why the Browns never really got a chance to make their pitch.
Then, they reset the Browns' coaching search and take a deep dive into some of the top candidates.
They discuss the pros and cons of hiring a defensive-minded coach like Rams DC Chris Shula and how his 3-4 scheme would fit with the Browns' current personnel.
They also look at the young, up-and-coming offensive candidates, including Jaguars OC Grant Udinski and Bengals offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher, and wonder if the Browns' uncertain quarterback situation will be a deterrent.
Finally, they discuss internal candidates like Tommy Rees and what the future might hold for the staff as the search continues.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe dive into the news of quarterback Dante
Moore returning to Oregon and its impact on the Browns.
They discuss how a thinning quarterback draft class complicates the Browns' plans at the No. 6 pick and potentially increases the likelihood of Shedeur Sanders competing for the starting job in 2026.
They talk about the ripple effects across the draft, exploring potential strategies for Andrew Berry, from trading back to targeting a sleeper prospect like Garrett Nussmeier.
They also debate the necessity for the Browns to continue taking swings at the quarterback position, whether through the draft or by acquiring another veteran to compete with Sanders, Dillon Gabriel and Deshaun
Watson.
Later, the podcast shifts to the latest updates on the Browns' coaching search. Mary Kay provides insights into the team's interview schedule, including candidates like Jesse Minter and the plan to request an interview with Chris Shula.
They break down how the broader coaching carousel, featuring names like John Harbaugh and Mike McDaniel, could create a domino effect and influence the Browns' final decision.
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A seismic shift has rocked the AFC North. With Mike Tomlin stepping down as the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers after 19 years, the division's landscape is changing dramatically.
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe kick off the Orange and Brown Talk podcast by breaking down the monumental news and what it means for the Browns. They discuss the changing of the guard with both Tomlin and John Harbaugh gone from their long-tenured posts, creating a massive opportunity for the Browns to seize the moment and return to respectability in a now wide-open division.
Then, Lance Reisland joins the show for a deep dive into the Browns' coaching search. Lance provides detailed scouting reports on some of the top candidates, both well-known and under-the-radar.
He talks with Dan about the potential fits of Cincinnati's Dan Pitcher, Jacksonville's young offensive coordinator Grant Udinski, the Rams' Nathan Scheelhaase and Miami's Mike McDaniel.
They weigh the risks and rewards of hiring a young, brilliant mind versus a more established coach and discuss what it takes to succeed as a head coach in the NFL.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe get into the latest on the Browns’ head coaching search.
The big news is Mike McDaniel's interview, and they break down the Browns' long-standing admiration for his "offensive wizardry" and brilliant football mind.
They explore the crowded and eclectic field of candidates, from rising offensive stars like the Rams' Nathan Nathan Scheelhaase and the very young Jaguars' OC, Grant Udinski, to established defensive coordinators like their own Jim Schwartz.
They get into the future of Schwartz -- Will he stay as DC if he doesn't get the top job, and how would his departure impact Myles Garrett?
Answering questions from Football Insider subscribers, they tackle the challenges young coaches face when leaping to the head coach role, the viability of a defensive-minded leader in today's NFL and where former coach Kevin Stefanski might land.
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1On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe catch up on the Browns' head coaching
search, which has been shaken up by recent firings.
First, they discuss the newly available Mike McDaniel. They analyze his reputation as a brilliant and creative offensive mind, his success elevating the Dolphins' offense and his previous history with the Browns.
The conversation then shifts to another top-tier candidate, John Harbaugh.
Is the Browns' head coaching job far more attractive than national narratives suggest? They highlight the elite defense, an analytics-friendly front office and an owner willing to spend.
They also discuss Harbaugh's deep ties to the Cleveland area, his Super Bowl-winning pedigree, and his adaptability, making a compelling case for why he would be a great fit.
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The Browns' head coaching search is in full swing, and on this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe dive into the early candidates.
They start by discussing the two in-house coordinators set to interview: Jim Schwartz and Tommy Rees. Could the 33-year-old Rees be the next Sean McVay, or is the risk too high?
Would hiring Schwartz be a popular move that keeps the successful defense intact?
The crew also looks at Bengals QB coach Dan Pitcher and his history with Andrew Berry.
Then, Lance Reisland joins the show to break down the film from the season finale against the Bengals, focusing on Shedeur Sanders' performance.
Lance also weighs in on the coaching search, offering his high praise for Ravens OC Todd Monken and sharing his thoughts on the Browns possibly hiring Schwartz or Rees.
To wrap up, Dan and Lance draft their biggest storylines from the 2025 NFL season, discussing everything from the rise of defenses and the analytics vs. feel debate to the importance of figuring it out at quarterback and the league's persistent injury problem.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe dive into the biggest news of the day: the Baltimore Ravens have fired John Harbaugh.
What would it take for the Browns to land the Super Bowl-winning coach?
Mary Kay and Dan Labbe discuss Harbaugh's Cleveland roots, the potential bidding war with teams like the Giants and whether the Browns should give him anything he wants, including personnel control.
Then, they turn to the "Hey, Mary Kay!" segment to answer questions from Football Insider subscribers.
They discuss the future of former coach Kevin Stefanski, whether he'll find success elsewhere and how he'll handle the New York media if he lands with the Giants.
The conversation also pivots to the all-important quarterback position. What is the future for Deshaun Watson on this roster, and what did Shedeur Sanders really show in his seven starts?
They break down the QB situation and look at other early coaching candidates as the Browns' pivotal search gets underway.
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The Browns fired head coach Kevin Stefanski, and the Orange and
Brown Talk crew is here to break down all the fallout. Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to the news from Berea, analyzing the decision to part ways with Stefanski while retaining GM Andrew Berry.
They dive into the press conferences by owner Jimmy Haslam and Berry, reading between the lines to understand the real reasons behind the move. Was it simply about the eight wins over two years, or did the front office lose faith in Stefanski's offensive vision?
They discuss how Berry's successful 2025 draft and recent trades likely saved his job, but now the pressure is on him more than ever.
Looking ahead, the search for a new head coach is on. Will the Browns target an offensive-minded coach to pair with a new quarterback, or promote from within with someone like Jim Schwartz?
Plus, what does this mean for the future of Shedeur Sanders?
They debates whether Stefanski was dealt a fair hand and what needs to happen next for the Browns to finally turn the corner.
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The Browns beat the Bengals, 20-18, at Paycor Stadium, finishing the season at 5-12 and plunging into another offseason full of question marks.
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe start their game recap video by talking about the big news from Sunday, Myles Garrett setting a new single-season sack record. He finished with 23 sacks.
They also talked about Shedeur Sanders’ performance and how it went for the rookie quarterback who struggled mightily but also led a game-winning field goal drive.
They wrap up by talking about the uncertainty surrounding Kevin Stefanski, who will likely find out Monday if he’ll return to coach the Browns for a seventh season.
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Browns pass rusher Myles Garrett had his opportunity to weight in on the team’s future on Friday during his weekly media availability. Garrett declined to throw his backing behind head coach Kevin Stefanski with his future up in the air.
Garrett did, however, endorse playing for defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz.
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe discussed what Garrett had to say on Friday and what it means about the decision the Browns face in the coming days.
They also talked about whether Schwartz could be a legitimate candidate for the job and why it might make sense if the Browns decide to move on from Stefanski.
Then they discussed the possibility of if Garrett might ask out again if it doesn’t look like the Browns will get to winning as early as next season.
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For the final time this season, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe get you ready for a Browns game as they preview the Week 18 matchup against the Cincinnati Bengals on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast.
The game itself takes a backseat to the much bigger question looming over the franchise: Will Kevin Stefanski return as head coach next season?
They try to read the tea leaves and discuss the vibe in Berea that suggests a change could be coming.
They explore the different scenarios, including the possibility of promoting defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz to head coach to maintain continuity on the team's best unit and keep rising offensive coordinator Tommy Rees. Is the grass actually greener, or should the Browns stick with what they have despite two losing seasons?
Plus, they talk about the one thing that matters on the field: Myles Garrett's chase for the sack record against a familiar foe in Joe Burrow.
Lance Reisland joined the show for his final scouting report of the season, breaking down the Bengals' offense and defense and how the Browns can attack them. Lance also makes his pick.
To wrap it up, Mary Kay, Ashley and Dan make their final game picks of the season.
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On this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk Podcast, Mary Kay Cabot Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe delve into the rumors surrounding Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski's job security and explore the potential of the Browns pursuing Mike McDaniel as a coaching candidate.
Additionally, they discuss the implications of Wyatt Teller landing on injured reserve just ahead of free agency, raising questions about his future with the team.
In a special segment, Mary Kay is joined by The Athletic's draft expert, Dane Brugler, to analyze the upcoming quarterback class.
They highlight top prospects such as Fernando Mendoza and Dante Moore, discussing their potential impact on the Browns' draft strategy.
The conversation also touches on which players might declare for the draft and evaluates Shedeur Sanders' performance, considering how it could influence the Browns' decisions moving forward.
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On this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe talk the future of the Browns' coaching staff.
Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz has expressed interest in being a head coach again. What are the pros and cons of promoting Schwartz, considering his experience and the success of the defense, versus the league trend of hiring younger, offensive-minded coaches?
Could promoting Schwartz or offensive coordinator Tommy Rees provide stability, or do the Browns owe it to themselves to conduct a full, comprehensive coaching search if they move on from Kevin Stefanski?
They also explore the argument for keeping Stefanski as a CEO coach to maintain the continuity of his successful coordinators.
Then, Lance Reisland joins Dan to break down the film from the win over the Steelers.
- How the Steelers game-planned to stop Myles Garrett and whether it was more than usual.
- The decision-making of Aaron Rodgers and the plays he left on the field.
- The continued development and areas for improvement for QB Shedeur Sanders.
- Standout performances from defensive players like Carson Schwesinger, who played through injury, and the impressive physicality of Tyson Campbell.
Finally, we wrap up with a fun draft of overrated holiday traditions, debating everything from the New Year's Eve ball drop to Black Friday shopping.
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On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe start by digging into the Browns’ the critical quarterback decision.
Have they seen enough from Shedeur Sanders to anoint him the starter for 2026?
Mary Kay and Dan debate the pros and cons of committing to Sanders' development versus using their two first-round draft picks to trade up for a top rookie prospect like Dante Moore. They analyze the risks involved, the team's draft position, and whether the front office can afford to be wrong.
The conversation extends to the coaching staff, exploring the uncertainty around Kevin Stefanski's future.
They also discuss if veteran defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz deserves another head coaching opportunity elsewhere and consider the intriguing possibility of the Browns promoting young offensive mind Tommy Rees if a change is made.
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The Browns secured a 13-6 victory over the rival Steelers on Sunday, but did the win come at a cost? Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, Lance Reisland and Dan Labbe break down the immediate aftermath.
The win dropped the Browns' draft position from a potential top-three pick to sixth overall, sparking a conversation about the team's future at quarterback.
They debate whether fans should be upset about the draft implications or celebrate a culture-building win against a division foe. This naturally leads to an in-depth evaluation of rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders.
Has he shown enough progress to be considered the long-term answer? They explore various paths forward.
They also discuss the ineffectiveness of tanking in the NFL and why players and coaches are always focused on winning the game in front of them.
On the defensive side of the ball, they focus on Myles Garrett's pursuit of the sack record. While Garrett didn't get a sack, they get into how Pittsburgh's entire game plan was dedicated to stopping him and how his mere presence was a game-wrecking force that ultimately contributed to the Browns' victory.
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On this preview edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe get you ready for the Browns’ home
finale against the Steelers.
They start with the future of the quarterback position. With just two games left, can Shedeur Sanders prove he's the guy for 2026 and convince the Browns not to use a top draft pick on a QB?
They also debate if these final games, particularly a win against a rival, could be enough to save Kevin Stefanski's job.
They talk Myles Garrett's pursuit of the single-season sack record. In a twist of fate, he could potentially break the record against Mason Rudolph, reigniting the drama from their infamous helmet-hitting incident in 2019, if the Steelers decide rest their starters. They would clinch the AFC North if the Ravens lose on Saturday night.
Lance Reisland joins the show for his scouting report, breaking down the Steelers' offense under Aaron Rodgers, the impact of DK Metcalf's suspension and the challenges posed by Pittsburgh's formidable defensive front.
Lastly, all four make their picks for Sunday’s matchup in Cleveland.
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We'll be back with a full Orange and Brown Talk preview podcast this weekend. Until then, here's a quick update from Berea from our daily video.
The Browns continued their preparations for the Steelers on Wednesday, but first it was a look back at Shedeur Sanders’ performance against the Bills on Sunday.
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe start their daily recap video by discussing what offensive coordinator Tommy Rees had to say about the progress Sanders made on Sunday and if there’s something to build on from that performance.
Then they turn their attention to left guard Joel Bitonio’s vote of confidence for head coach Kevin Stefanski and what he had to say about the Browns retaining Stefanski for a seventh year.
They wrap up the video by updating some injuries, starting with the Browns and the return to practice for Denzel Ward and Dylan Sampson
and T.J. Watt returning to Steelers practice.
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