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Get the latest news and analysis about the Cleveland Browns from Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, Dan Labbe and special guests on cleveland.com
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On this Friday edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe dive into the Browns' latest offseason move: the annual restructuring of Deshaun Watson's contract.
They explain why this was a necessary bookkeeping move to get under the salary cap and how it frees up money for free agency.
The crew discusses how this strategy, while common for teams with high-priced quarterbacks, stings more when you haven't gotten elite performance in return.
With new cap space, the focus shifts to the quarterback position.
Should the Browns make a bold, aggressive run at free agent Malik Willis, a player they nearly drafted in 2022? The hosts debate the pros, cons and potential price tag.
They also look ahead to the NFL Draft, breaking down the early top-30 visit from Alabama QB Ty Simpson.
They analyze his connection to offensive coordinator Todd Monken and where he could land in the draft.
Plus, they discuss another key visitor, top wide receiver prospect Carnell Tate, and what it means for the Browns' plans with their first-round pick.
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On this episode of the Orange Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are back in Berea to break down the introductory press conferences for the Browns' new coordinators.
First up: Defensive Coordinator Mike Rutenberg, who lived up to his high-octane reputation.
They discuss his energetic, emotional style, his philosophy of playing violent football and the invaluable addition of veteran coach Dom Capers to his staff. They analyze how Rutenberg plans to follow the tough act of Jim Schwartz by focusing on relationship-building.
Next, they turn to new Offensive Coordinator Travis Switzer. They explore his complementary role to head coach and play-caller Todd Monken, his expertise in the run game and the coaching staff's belief that a new system can elevate players like Jerry Jeudy.
They also get into the quarterback situation, the team's public support for Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders and whether a big move could still happen.
Finally, they touch on new Special Teams Coordinator Byron Storer and the challenge he faces in fixing a unit that was a major liability last season.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to the news that the Cardinals are releasing quarterback Kyler Murray.
They discuss whether the Browns should pursue the former No. 1 overall pick, weighing his tantalizing mobility and talent against the red flags of his health and consistency.
They also debate the Browns' other quarterback options.
Should they stand pat and let Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders compete? Is Malik Willis a realistic target, or will he be too expensive? Could taking a flyer on a raw but talented prospect like Anthony Richardson be a worthwhile gamble for Todd Monken to develop?
Finally, they look ahead to the introductory press conferences for the Browns' new coordinators. What are they most interested in hearing from new defensive coordinator Mike Rutenberg and offensive coordinator Travis Switzer.
They touch on the influence of veteran coach Dom Capers and what the hiring of Switzer, a former run game coordinator from Baltimore, says about the team's offensive philosophy for the upcoming season.
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On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe are back from the NFL Combine and ready to break down the latest Browns news.
They start with the team's first big offseason move: the trade for offensive lineman Tytus Howard, which includes a three-year, $63 million extension.
How does this acquisition impact the Browns' draft strategy? Dan and Mary Kay discuss whether the team will still target a top offensive tackle or if this move gives them the flexibility to address other needs.
The conversation then shifts to the most-talked-about position: quarterback.
The hosts analyze the open competition plan and debate whether the starting job will come down to a battle between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders.
They explore why new head coach Todd Monken would prefer to have his QB1 decided before training camp begins.
With free agency and the draft approaching, they also touch on other potential quarterback scenarios, the unlikelihood of landing Malik Willis and the general unpredictability of the NFL offseason. Listen for all the post-combine analysis and insider insight on how the Browns' roster is beginning to take shape.
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Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are wrapping up their week at the NFL Combine, but first it’s a Friday edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast.
Today it’s all about the quarterback and wide receiver prospects.
The main discussion centers on Alabama QB Ty Simpson. Mary Kay shares her positive first impressions and details his interesting connection to Browns head coach Todd Monken through his father.
The crew debates how far Simpson would have to fall for the Browns to draft him and if he's a realistic option to challenge Shedeur Sanders.
They also explore the "damaged goods" nature of this QB class, looking at potential value picks on Day 2 or 3 like Garrett Nussmeier and Medina native Drew Allar, both of whom have shown flashes of high-end talent.
The conversation then shifts to the deep wide receiver class. Ashley details her interview with Jordyn Tyson, the brother of Cavs player Jaylon Tyson, and his potential as a precise route runner.
Finally, they debate the Browns' biggest draft needs, weighing the value of taking a premium receiver like Carnell Tate at pick No. 6 versus addressing the offensive line.
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Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are are still at the NFL Combine, but first they take a pod to reset some of what they’ve heard the first three days on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast.
The Browns quarterback room is the main topic of conversation. With Andrew Berry and Todd Monken heaping praise on both Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson, is a training camp battle inevitable? Or could the front office have another move up its sleeve?
They discuss if the public comments are genuine or a smokescreen for a bigger move, like a trade for former first-round pick Anthony Richardson. They debate whether adding another QB would muddy the waters or if it's the type of move to expect from Berry.
Then, the conversation shifts to the defense and a key upcoming free agent: linebacker Devin Bush.
After a career-revitalizing season, is bringing Bush back the team's No. 1 priority?
Mary Kay explains why he's so important to the defense, his journey back from a torn ACL and what his next contract could look like. The group analyzes how his performance has been a huge win for the front office and why continuity on defense is crucial heading into next season.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe check in from the NFL Combine to break down everything from new head coach Todd Monken's highly anticipated press conference.
The crew discusses how Monken's refreshing, candid and genuine style is a significant change of pace from the buttoned-up approach of his predecessor, Kevin Stefanski.
A major topic of discussion was the quarterback room. Monken offered glowing praise for Shedeur Sanders, calling him an "elite playmaker" and stating unequivocally that he could be ready to start Week 1.
The hosts also analyze Monken's comments on Deshaun Watson. They explore the coach's open-mindedness and confidence in his ability to rekindle Watson's past success, while also considering the significant physical hurdles Watson must overcome after multiple major surgeries.
The conversation also touches on the young, energetic coaching staff Monken has assembled, including new DC Mike Rutenberg, and the overall feeling that "Todd is just Todd."
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Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley and Dan Labbe are at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis all week on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast.
The crew breaks down everything from Browns GM Andrew Berry's press
conference. While Berry didn't reveal all his cards, the quarterback position was front and center. They discuss the ongoing competition between Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson, and Berry's confirmation that the team is exploring all external options, including names like Malik Willis and Ty Simpson.
With Berry open to a training camp battle, it's clear that anything can happen.
The conversation then shifts to the highly anticipated press conference with new head coach Todd Monken. Will his "loose cannon" style provide more definitive answers on the offense?
Plus, the hosts dive into other key takeaways from Berry's availability, including a potential overhaul of the offensive line, the uncertain future of cornerback Martin Emerson Jr. following his Achilles injury and the unfortunate news regarding linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah's career.
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On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe get you ready for the NFL Combine.
First, they start with some unfortunate news on linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah. Mary Kay has an update on his status after his scary neck injury, and it's not what Browns fans want to hear.
Then, they dive into the quarterback position. What are the pros and cons of the Browns pursuing a free agent like Malik Willis? Would he immediately become the starter over Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders?
Speaking of Watson, they discuss his chances of returning to the field, noting that he's healthy and has been told he will have a chance to compete for the starting job.
Finally, they look at the NFL Draft and a listener question about drafting two offensive linemen in the first round. With the Browns needing to rebuild in the trenches, could they use both of their first-round picks to address the offensive line?
It's a packed episode to get you ready for a week of news from Indianapolis.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Lance Reisland and Dan Labbe dive into the 2026 NFL Draft.
They start in the trenches, breaking down the top offensive tackle prospects like Spencer Fano from Utah and Francis Mauigoa from Miami. Lance explains why he values 'nastiness' and a love for the game over pure analytics when scouting linemen, and they identify some Day 2 and Day 3 sleepers.
Then, the conversation shifts to the skill positions, including Jordyn Tyson, Makai Lemon and Carnell Tate.
Of course, the guys have the mandatory Cleveland media discussion: Should the Browns take Ohio State safety Caleb Downs at No. 6? They debate the philosophy of drafting the best player available versus a premier position of need like offensive tackle.
The episode wraps with a look at the quarterback class, discussing why a player like Garrett Nussmeier might be a forgotten man and what to make of Alabama's Ty Simpson.
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On the latest Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are looking ahead to the NFL Combine. They discuss the challenges of covering the event and how it kicks off a crucial offseason for the Browns.
The conversation turns to the offensive line, a major area of need. After a successful 2025 draft, can Andrew Berry hit on positions like O-line and wide receiver where he's had misses in the past?
They shift to the other side of the ball to break down the hiring of new defensive coordinator Mike Rutenberg. They discuss why the first-time play-caller is a good fit to continue the Jim Schwartz system. They explain why that continuity is vital for the success of Myles Garrett and the rest of the defense. Plus, Ashley shares a story about being on a Frontier flight with no Wi-Fi when the news broke.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Lance Riesland joins Dan Labbe to break down the Browns' hiring of new defensive coordinator Mike Rutenberg.
Lance dives into what he's seen on film, explaining how Rutenberg's philosophy is similar to Jim Schwartz's with its aggressive front, but will feature more schematic differences.
The guys also tackle the challenges Rutenberg faces as a first-time play-caller and discuss the decision to move on from Schwartz. They look at specific players, including what Martin Emerson Jr.'s role could be in a crowded cornerback room and the potential for Denzel Ward to travel with top receivers more often.
Finally, they shift to the offense, exploring what new head coach Todd Monken will prioritize this offseason, from fixing a potentially depleted offensive line to maximizing the talent of receivers like Isaiah Bond.
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On a Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe dive into the Browns' hiring of new defensive
coordinator, Mike Rutenberg.
They start by discussing why the Browns opted for a first-time coordinator and how Rutenberg's experience under coaches like Robert Saleh will allow him to run a system similar to Jim Schwartz's.
Mary Kay and Dan also explore the importance of keeping the defensive staff in place for a smooth transition and the challenge Rutenberg faces in earning the trust of veteran players who were loyal to Schwartz.
Then, the conversation shifts to offseason roster questions.
They look at the future of cornerback Martin Emerson Jr., who is recovering from a ruptured Achilles, and whether there's a place for him with the emergence of Tyson Campbell.
Finally, with the NFL Draft on the horizon, they answer a subscriber's question about whether the Browns might trade down from the No. 6 overall pick to accumulate more draft capital.
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On this episode of the Orange Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe turn the show over to their Football Insider subscribers. They tackle a series of true/false, agree/disagree and fill-in-the-blank questions covering the biggest offseason topics for the Browns.
The discussion kicks off with the search for a new defensive coordinator. Will the Browns promote from within and name Jason Tarver, or will they bring in an external candidate like Cory Undlin?
Mary Kay and Dan also debate whether the Browns' dominant defense is due for a step back next season.
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the quarterback room. Will Shedeur Sanders be the de facto Week 1 starter?
The hosts break down the "it factor" Sanders showed in key moments, his uncanny accuracy and the unknowns surrounding Deshaun Watson's return from injury.
They also look at the offensive line's future, predict Andrew Berry's top free agency targets and close with a fascinating question: Will Kevin Stefanski's Falcons win a playoff game before the Browns do?
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, and Dan Labbe dive into the biggest question facing the Browns this offseason: Who will be their quarterback?
The conversation kicks off with a deep dive into the most intriguing external option, Malik Willis. The crew discusses if his dual-threat skill set is the perfect match for new head coach Todd Monken's system, but they also weigh the significant financial commitment and risk involved with his
limited playing time.
With other teams like the Miami Dolphins reportedly interested, will the Browns even have a shot?
Then they pivot to the internal options, debating whether the team is better off exploring what they have in Shedeur Sanders or the recovering Deshaun Watson, who has recently started throwing again.
Could a new offensive system finally unlock the elite player Watson once was?
They also touch on veteran free agents like Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr and analyze the front office's philosophy of turning over every stone to find the right answer at the most important position in football.
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1It's the end of an era in Cleveland as David Njoku says farewell after nine seasons. Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to the news that the tight end will not be re-signing with the Browns, a move that wasn't a surprise but is still tough for many fans.
The crew discusses how the emergence of Harold Fannin Jr. as the new TE1 and the team's youth movement signaled the writing was on the wall. They look back at Njoku's fascinating Browns career, from being drafted at just
20 years old and maturing on the job to his memorable on-field moments and his unique, fun-loving personality that made him a fan favorite.
Was his full potential ever realized in Cleveland? The hosts debate his ups and downs, the impact of inconsistent QB play and what his departure means as the Browns officially close the book on this era and focus on building a new core through the draft.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe dive headfirst into the Browns' offseason now that the Super Bowl is in the rearview mirror.
They kick things off by analyzing the lessons the Browns can learn from the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks' defense-first strategy and what it means for finding the right quarterback.
This sparks a deep dive into the Browns' most pressing questions, starting with the QB position. Should they swing for the fences and trade multiple first-round picks for a top draft prospect like Fernando Mendoza? Or is the answer already in the building?
Mary Kay and Dan discuss the future of Deshaun Watson, the fan base's complicated relationship with him, and the organization's desire to salvage the trade.
They also tackle the Shedeur Sanders situation and whether he is the definitive QB1.
And, of course, there’s the fallout from Jim Schwartz's sudden resignation and the contract situation that follows.
Finally, they gauge the fan base's confidence in new head coach Todd Monken and the immense pressure on him to fix the offense and choose the right quarterback to lead it.
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Browns defensive coordinator resigned from his position, deciding not to remain on new head coach Todd Monken's staff after he was passed over for the job. It ends a tumultuous two weeks that capped the Browns' head coaching search.
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to the news on this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast.
They start by talking about if there was a scenario where things could have worked out for Schwartz with the Browns and why it went sideways.
Then they look at some of the Browns options to replace Schwartz. Will they look internally or will they find someone on the outside to replace him?
They also talk about Myles Garrett winning his second Defensive Player of the Year award and Carson Schwesinger winning Defensive Rookie of the Year.
Then they share their thoughts on the Super Bowl.
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The Browns introduced Todd Monken as their new head coach on Tuesday, ushering in a new era as they continue to restock their roster with young talent this offseason.
Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe talked about what Monken had to say on Tuesday on this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast and what the Browns need to focus on to get the offense right for him this offseason.
They start by talking about if Monken’s approach will be a welcome change for the franchise and the lessons he’ll still need to learn, even at 60 years old.
Then they dig into the areas the Browns need to attack on the offensive side of the ball.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe break down the introductory press conference for new head coach Todd Monken and dive into the two biggest questions facing the Browns.
First, they tackle the uncertain future of defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz. After being passed over for the head coaching job, will he return?
They discuss the potential for an “explosive situation” if a partnership is forced and whether Monken is equipped to handle the dynamic. With Schwartz’s options limited to returning or retiring, the hosts debate if the Browns should let him go or hold him to his contract.
Then, the conversation shifts to the offense and the murky quarterback room Monken inherits.
The hosts explore the possibility of Monken fixing Deshaun Watson and salvaging the controversial trade, noting the coach’s intrigue with the talented QB. They also discuss the supreme confidence of Shedeur Sanders and how Monken’s tough, old-school coaching style will create a new dynamic and a potential two-man competition for the starting job this offseason.
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