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Get the latest news and analysis about the Cleveland Browns from Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, Dan Labbe and special guests on cleveland.com
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe kick things off with the news that Deshaun Watson will officially finish the season on the PUP list, ending any slim chance of a return this year.
They dive deep into what this means for the Browns' complex quarterback situation heading into the offseason. With Watson still on the roster with a massive contract, what is his role moving forward? Could he be a bridge quarterback for a top draft pick, or will he serve as a backup and mentor?
The conversation then shifts to Shedeur Sanders. Will he be the long-term answer after his seven-game audition? Mary Kay and Dan debate whether the Browns can keep Sanders on the roster if they decide to draft another quarterback, considering the media attention that follows him.
They also touch on a spicy potential storyline: Myles Garrett's quest for the sack record could culminate against none other than Mason Rudolph.
In the second half, Lance Reisland joins the show for his weekly film breakdown of the Browns' game against the Bills. Lance offers his expert opinion on Sanders' performance, where he showed patience but also made critical errors. He also evaluates the struggling offensive line, the defensive issues with gap integrity and tackling.
The episode wraps up with a fun trivia question about which colleges have produced the most NFL players.
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On this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe talk the future of the quarterback position.
They discuss the central dilemma: should the Browns build around fifth-round pick Shedeur Sanders and use their high draft picks to acquire a top wide receiver or offensive tackle, or should they draft a new franchise quarterback like Fernando Mendoza or Dante Moore?
The discussion weighs the pros and cons of sticking with Sanders, highlighting his signs of progress and leadership potential against the risk of passing on a rare opportunity to draft a top-tier QB.
This decision is further complicated by the uncertainty surrounding the coaching staff. Dan and Mary Kay explore the job security of head coach Kevin Stefanski, questioning if he will return and how a potential coaching change would impact the team's choice at quarterback.
They contrast this with the relative safety of GM Andrew Berry's position and how his vision might shape the franchise's direction.
They also address subscriber questions about roster management failures, the team's disappointing losses and whether Myles Garrett's pursuit of the sack record has affected the run defense.
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In this postgame edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe dig into the Browns' 23-20 loss to the Bills.
The primary focus: the continued development of rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders.
They were impressed with the traits he displayed, including his elusiveness, toughness and ability to keep the Browns in the game with a makeshift offensive line and limited offensive weapons and showed incremental improvements.
Was Sanders convincing enough for the Browns to build around him and use their high draft pick on other positions of need, or should they still target one of the top quarterbacks in the draft?
Lance Reisland joined the show to provide his analysis of Sanders' game, the struggling run defense, and other key moments.
The podcast also covers the unfortunate season-ending injury to promising rookie running back Quinshon Judkins and Myles Garrett’s quest to break the sack record.
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On the Browns-Bills preview edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe break down
the key storylines for the upcoming matchup.
They discuss whether quarterback Shedeur Sanders can rebound from his three-interception game last week against the Bills' second-ranked pass defense. They also talk about his need to improve his decision-making,
build chemistry with his receivers beyond his security blanket, Harold Fannin Jr., and take the easy completions offered to him.
Another major topic: the Browns' struggling run game.
They also get into if this is the week Myles Garrett will break the single-season sack record.
Lance Reisland joins the show to provide his in-depth scouting report on the Bills. He explains why he believes Josh Allen is the best quarterback in the league, highlights the underrated talent of running back James Cook and breaks down their dangerous special teams.
Lastly, everyone makes their picks for Sunday's game.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe get into the future of the Browns quarterback position, centered around Shedeur Sanders.
They start by dissecting Sanders' weekly press conference, covering his mindset of laying a foundation, the advice he received from Jameis Winston and his ongoing efforts to build chemistry with his receivers.
The discussion then explores the central 'dichotomy' facing the team: Can they afford to be patient with a developing rookie when the Super Bowl window for veterans like Myles Garrett is closing?
With a potential top draft pick looming, the pressure is on.
They also delve into the significant uncertainty surrounding the coaching staff and front office. They debate whether Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry will return and how those decisions will ultimately shape the most important position on the team.
Who will be making the call on the Browns' quarterback in 2026, and what will that decision be?
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On Wednesday’s Orange Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe look ahead to the Browns' Week 16 matchup
against the Buffalo Bills.
They discusses the immense pressure on quarterback Shedeur Sanders to rebound from a tough game as he faces off against MVP candidate Josh
Allen.
They also focus on Myles Garrett's quest to break the NFL's single-season sack record at home and analyze the challenges facing a Browns defense that is grappling with injuries and a tough offensive opponent.
In the second half, film expert Lance Reisland joins the show for a detailed breakdown of the game against the Bears. Reisland provides in-depth analysis of Sanders' development, the impressive instincts of rookie Carson Schwesinger and how the defense is coping with the loss of key players.
The episode wraps up with a draft of the most frustrating things to wait for, from airport lines to slow elevators.
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Following the Browns’ 31-3 loss to the Chicago Bears, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe tackle the biggest question facing the Cleveland Browns: What does the future hold for head coach Kevin Stefanski and GM Andrew Berry?
They kick off the Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast by debating whether one or both could be fired and if Berry's successful 2025 draft class is enough to secure his position.
The conversation quickly turns to the franchise's most glaring need: a quarterback.
Dan and Mary Kay discuss the immense pressure on the front office to finally find their guy, questioning the trust in Andrew Berry's evaluation skills for the league's most important position.
Then they get into Shedeur Sanders' performance, analyzing his recent step back against the Bears. Where does Sanders need to improve? How will the Browns get a full enough evaluation on him?
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In the postgame edition of the Orange and Brown Talk Podcast, Mary Kay Cabot Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe break down the Browns' 31-3 loss to the Chicago Bears.
They dive into the performance of rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders, who had a rough outing with three interceptions after a standout game the previous week. They analyze the extenuating circumstances, including a depleted offensive line, key injuries and a critical dropped pass by Jerry Jeudy that resulted in an interception, questioning how the front office can properly evaluate him.
The discussion then broadens to the team's overall execution, highlighting the chaotic nature of the game, repeated special teams blunders and procedural mistakes.
This leads to a critical conversation about head coach Kevin Stefanski's job security and whether he is giving the front office reasons to make a change.
The episode also examines the perplexing season of Jeudy, contrasting his struggles this year with his Pro Bowl performance last season.
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On our Browns at Bears preview edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe offer a complete look-ahead to the Browns' frigid road game against the Chicago Bears.
The primary focus is on rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders.
After taking huge strides last week, can he repeat his performance against a Bears defense that leads the league in takeaways and interceptions? This game is a critical test of his development and his bid to be the Browns' franchise quarterback.
They also discuss how the Browns' defense will bounce back against the run after giving up big plays to the Titans, and whether Myles Garrett can get closer to the sack record against an elusive Caleb Williams.
Then, film analyst Lance Reisland joins to provide an in-depth report on Bears head coach Ben Johnson's creative offense and the Bears' opportunistic defense.
To wrap it up, Mary Kay, Ashley, Lance and Dan all make their predictions.
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1On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe talk all things Shedeur Sanders.
With Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski officially handing him the reins for the rest of the season, they analyze what stood out from the rookie quarterback's latest press conference. They discuss Shedeur's hungry, underdog mentality, noting that as a fifth-round pick, he understands nothing is guaranteed and he has to prove himself in the final four games.
The conversation explores how his draft day fall may have been the best thing for his career, giving him a chip on his shoulder and an edge that's fueling his rapid development.
They also break down his ability to learn from mistakes, like the costly interception against the Titans, and how he's balancing his "hero ball" instincts with smarter play.
They also touch on the dynamic between Sanders and his risk-averse head coach, and how the coach is learning how to best use the rookie's impressive elusiveness and accuracy.
Finally, they look ahead to the frigid matchup against the interception-heavy Chicago Bears, a true test of his progress and mental fortitude.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe set up Bears week.
With the Browns eliminated from the playoffs, the focus shifts to the future, and that means all eyes are on quarterback Shedeur Sanders. They discuss his four-game audition for the starting job, breaking down his impressive performance against the Titans, the explosiveness he brings to the offense and the critical need for game management and avoiding costly mistakes.
They also get into how Sanders will fare against the Bears' turnover-happy defense and how the Browns' own run defense will handle Chicago's top-tier rushing attack after a poor showing against Tennessee.
Lance Reisland joins the show to break down the film from the loss to the Titans. Lance offers his perspective on Sanders' growth, toughness and improved processing.
He also provides a detailed schematic breakdown of exactly why the run defense struggled.
The show wraps up with a “Start-Bench-Cut” segment, debating everything from Hall-of-Fame quarterbacks to Christmas cookies.
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On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe get right to the biggest topic in Cleveland sports: Shedeur Sanders.
Following the Browns' 31-29 loss to the Titans, Sanders has been named the starting quarterback for the rest of the season, and the hosts break down what's at stake. With four tough games ahead, can the fifth-round pick prove he is the franchise's future and take the Browns out of the quarterback sweepstakes in the 2026 NFL Draft?
Mary Kay and Dan talk Sanders' impressive traits, from his "it factor" and elite accuracy to his surprising elusiveness and guts in the pocket.
They also discuss the massive financial implications of finding a star QB on a rookie deal and how it could allow the Browns to build around him.
Answering questions from Football Insider subscribers, they explore what the quarterback room could look like in 2026 with Sanders, Deshaun Watson and Dillon Gabriel, and debate whether it should be an open competition.
They also dissect the controversial two-point conversions against the Titans and the analytics behind Kevin Stefanski's aggressive decisions.
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On this live postgame edition of the Orange and Brown Talk Podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, Lance Reisland and Dan Labbe dig into the Browns' 31-29 loss to the Titans.
Despite the loss, the main topic of conversation is the breakout performance of rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders, who threw for 364 yards and accounted for four total touchdowns. They discuss how Sanders bolstered his case to be the Browns' starting quarterback for the future, leading two clutch touchdown drives late in the game to give his team a chance to win.
The podcast then pivots to the controversial coaching decisions that ultimately cost the Browns the game. They get into the two failed two-point conversion attempts, specifically the decision to take a red-hot Sanders off the field for the final, game-tying try. They debate the analytics behind the calls and whether it was a moment for "players over plays."
Finally, the discussion turns to the team's numerous mistakes, including costly special teams errors and a defensive letdown, and what this loss could mean for the future of head coach Kevin Stefanski.
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It’s the Browns vs. Titans preview edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast.
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe dive into Sunday’s game between the Browns and Titans, spotlighting the quarterback duel between Shedeur Sanders and Cam Ward.
They also discuss Myles Garrett's pursuit of the single-season sack record. He’s 3.5 sacks away from tying the record. Could he tie it or break it on Sunday? Could this game be a repeat of the Raiders game for Garrett and the Browns’ defensive line?
Film analyst Lance Reisland joins the show to provide his scouting report, offering insights into key player matchups and strategies to watch for.
Then everyone makes their picks for Sunday’s matchup at Huntington Bank Field.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kate Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to the news of Deshaun Watson's
return to practice. With his 21-day practice window now open, they debate the biggest question on every fan's mind: Will he play again this season?
They dig into the team's motivations, suggesting the move is more about evaluating Watson's recovery from his Achilles injury and rewarding his hard work and mentorship of the rookie quarterbacks.
While they believe the plan is to finish the season with the rookies, they all agree you can "never say never" with the Browns.
They also look ahead to the future, analyzing Watson's massive contract and why he is almost certain to be on the roster in 2026. This leads to a discussion about whether he could realistically compete for the starting job next year.
Finally, the group discusses on-field chemistry issues, focusing on the sideline confrontation between Shedeur Sanders and Jerry Jeudy. They explore the importance of timing, trust, and why the final five games are critical for the development of the team's young players.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk Podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe set the stage for the upcoming Browns
vs. Titans matchup.
They dive into the intriguing quarterback battle between the Browns' fifth-round pick, Shedeur Sanders, and the Titans' No. 1 overall pick, Cam Ward, and what this game means for both franchises.
The conversation shifts to the future, focusing on draft positioning and whether Sanders can prove he's the long-term answer at quarterback in the season's final games.
Ashley highlights the potential for Myles Garrett to break the NFL's single-season sack record against the oft-sacked Cam Ward.
They also discuss the opportunity for young players like Mike Hall Jr. and Teven Jenkins to get extended looks due to recent injuries.
In the second half of the pod, Lance Reisland joins Dan for a deep dive into the film from the 49ers game.
Lance provides a detailed analysis of Shedeur Sanders' performance, pointing out both high-level plays and correctable issues with his footwork and timing. They also dissect special teams breakdowns and the
surprising decision to rotate Wyatt Teller on the offensive line.
To wrap things up, Dan and Lance have a four-round draft of the worst parts of winter.
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On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk Podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe dive into the fallout from the Browns' 26-8 loss to the 49ers.
They begin by discussing the decision to handle quarterback Shedeur Sanders' starting role on a week-to-week basis. Is it a good strategy to keep Sanders hungry and prevent him from getting too comfortable?
The conversation then turns to the offense's chemistry issues, particularly the visible on-field frustration between Sanders and wide receiver Jerry Jeudy. Mary Kay and Dan explore why Jeudy is having a subpar season and what his long-term future looks like in Cleveland, considering his contract makes him difficult to move.
Mary Kay and Dan also break down the game's most critical blunders, including the confusing and ultimately failed 4th-and-1 direct snap to Harold Fannin Jr. and the continued abysmal play from the special teams
unit.
Then they tackle the big-picture question of whether Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski are "joined at the hip" as the team faces another losing season.
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In this live postgame edition of the Orange and Brown Talk Podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, Lance Reisland and Dan Labbe break down the Browns' 26-8 loss to the San Francisco 49ers.
They start by analyzing the performance of rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders in his second start. They discuss the positive takeaways, including a well-thrown touchdown pass to Harold Fannin Jr. and avoiding costly interceptions, while also examining his development and what these final games mean for his future with the team.
Can he do enough to prove he's the long-term answer at quarterback?
They also touch on the sideline frustration between Sanders and Jerry Jeudy, the team's offensive chemistry issues and the overall sense of a season of missed opportunities.
Another major topic of discussion? The continued struggles of the special teams. They detail several critical errors, from a muffed punt to poor returns, that gave the 49ers excellent field position and directly impacted the game's outcome.
They explore how these recurring mistakes have cost the Browns multiple games this season, largely wasting a dominant defensive effort.
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The Browns return home on Sunday to host the San Francisco 49ers, a team fighting for the playoffs but also traveling cross-country on a short week to play in Cleveland.
Rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders will make his second consecutive start for the Browns.
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe begin this week’s preview edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast by talking about what to expect from Sanders in his second start. Will he take positive steps forward or will 49ers defensive coordinator Robert Saleh have him off balance?
Then Lance Reisland joins the podcast to give his scouting report of the 49ers. What do they do well? Where can the Browns win their matchups against them?Lance also makes his pick for Sunday’s game.
Then Mary Kay and Ashley rejoin the pod and, along with Dan, make their picks for Sunday in Cleveland.
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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe look ahead to Shedeur Sanders' second start as the Browns prepare to face the 49ers.
They debate what a successful outing looks like for the rookie quarterback.
Is a performance similar to his debut against Las Vegas enough, or does he need to show clear signs of progress in efficiency and execution? They discuss how the Browns' offense can build on the explosive plays from the last game while also developing more sustained drives.
The conversation then shifts to address the off-field narratives surrounding Sanders. They break down the "Game Ball-Gate" controversy that erupted on social media after Kevin Stefanski didn't award Sanders a game ball for his first win.
They provide context on Stefanski's history with game balls, his methodical approach to developing rookies, and debunk the conspiracy theories that the coach is attempting to sabotage his young quarterback.
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