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Connecting with a pop group when we're young is often one of the most defining moments of our lives, but why are we so afraid to talk about it?
This podcast is devoted to exploring the importance of pop music, including the music of boybands. It’s also a critique of society looking down on music many genuinely enjoy. Fans of boybands (consisting of mostly women and LGBTQ+ folk) often feel a stigma if they express their admiration for certain groups. Additionally, despite their talent & popularity, no modern boyband has won a Grammy. We explore all this on This Must Be Pop.
This podcast is devoted to exploring the importance of pop music, including the music of boybands. It’s also a critique of society looking down on music many genuinely enjoy. Fans of boybands (consisting of mostly women and LGBTQ+ folk) often feel a stigma if they express their admiration for certain groups. Additionally, despite their talent & popularity, no modern boyband has won a Grammy. We explore all this on This Must Be Pop.
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![Liam Payne "Teardrops" | Breaking Down the Multi-Generational Boyband Collab & the Parallels with JC Chasez [ft. Eryn Cooper]](https://s3.castbox.fm/3d/6f/42/99e077aeaee005eb15948f0d2fb648588f_scaled_v1_400.jpg "Liam Payne \"Teardrops\" | Breaking Down the Multi-Generational Boyband Collab & the Parallels with JC Chasez [ft. Eryn Cooper]")
Ana is joined by Eryn Cooper (radio personality, music journalist, and self-proclaimed professional fangirl) where they break down the AMAZING multi-generational boyband collab to rule them all: Liam Payne's new song "Teardrops. They discuss how Liam's career, both in 1D and as a solo artist, has been very similar to another boybander: *NSYNC's JC Chasez, who coincidentally worked with Liam on "Teardrops" as a co-writer and 'background' vocalist.
Follow Eryn on all the socials @onairwitheryn
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This week marks the one year anniversary of Aaron Carter’s passing. Aaron’s legacy within music and pop culture is often overlooked, but it certainly deserves recognition and is insanely important. In this special episode honoring Aaron, we discuss him and his music and legacy, complex and layered as it was, with two friends of the pod Ali and Cali.
Ali's portion was recorded a year ago only days after Aaron’s passing, so at the time it was obviously fresh on our minds. That portion of our conversation was never released until now.
A majority of this episode was done recently on the anniversary of his passing with another friend-of-the-pod: Cali, who had a personal relationship with Aaron.
We hope you enjoy this honest and insightful episode, honoring the life of Aaron Carter: the musician and human being. A special thank you to both Ali and Cali for their time, honesty, and respect of the topic of Aaron. May he rest in peace.
Please be aware that there are some sensitive topics touched upon in this episode regarding mental health, addiction and trauma.
It’s also important to note that this episode will NOT nor EVER be monetized. Too many people tried to, and are still trying to, profit off of his name and we absolutely are against doing anything like that.
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Ana and Lizzie are joined by very special guest and fellow podcaster Kelli Williams (@laguna_biotch) to discuss her music journey with artists such as the Backstreet Boys, Taylor Swift, Aaron Carter and LFO and how bands like BSB are such a huge part of her relationship with her mother.
We also get into a more serious discussion surrounding "the dark side of boybands" aka bad managers taking advantage of boyband members, and how we as a society still have trouble with taking allegations seriously from young men (poor working conditions, financial mismanagement, and sexual assault, etc.)
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Friend-of-the-pod Sasha is back! Ana and Sasha discuss the experience going to the Pop2000 show on July 15, 2023 in Webster, MA. Before the Pop2k discussion, we recap all things JC-related in the past year and answer your lingering questions from the JC series.
Timestamps:
- Intro and Listener Q&A: 00:00
- JC Updates: 7:50
-Pop2000 Recap: 19:19
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Ana & Lizzie are joined by fellow podcasters Mary & Kelsey from the "When They Popped" podcast: What do you get when music journalists don't do any research and they make a podcast episode rooted in a misunderstanding of pop music, youth culture, and the tastes of many women and queer folks? You get the podcast "Your Favorite Band Sucks"; specifically, their most recent episode they did on *NSYNC. (The fact one *NSYNC fan was able to bring on three BSB fans on this episode should tell you how hard "Your Favorite Band Sucks" was on *NSYNC!)
Listen to "Your Favorite Band Sucks - *NSYNC" on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3GMB2FNwAD9AlyqTwT2Q7X?si=59e8f8ffddaa4826
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Ana, Lizzie and Hallie continue their (postponed many times) discussion on Harry Styles' discography of his self-titled debut album (aka HS1), Fine Line, and finally, Harry's House. They break down some lyrics, melody, and overall feel of each album.
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Ana continues her conversation with her cousins and discusses the discography of the Jonas Brothers. From their first album "It's About Time" to "Lines Vines and Trying Times".
**Part 3 of our Jonas Brothers will be released in May after the release of "The Album".
Referenced Links:
- Desmond Child Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6zX7A4EFodzbuTWBLKc5rq?si=38ab337b1134444c
- Nicholas Jonas "When You Look Me In the Eyes" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWFUazmTNGQ
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Ana is joined by her two cousins: Jackie and Jocie, arguably the biggest Jonas Brothers fans in the world. In the first part of a three-part series, they discuss their origin stories of becoming Jonas Brothers fans, concerts they've attended and experiences they've had. Because the Jonas Brothers pride themselves as a family-oriented band, we discuss our own family's music journey, coming from a 'fangirl family' and our own fangirl-isms.
This episode is dedicated to the dads of fangirls, including our own. <3
Discussed Videos:
- Jonas Brothers LIVE from TD Garden in Boston broadcasting to the 2019 American Music Awards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9EFruyShvI
- Jonas Brothers perform ‘Year 3000’ with Busted Live at Capital’s Summertime Ball 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEERYu22tb8
- Nick Jonas performs "Jealous" gospel version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMb_cBv3iks
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Logan Grimé is a songwriter, producer, musician, as well as a Hanson fan and TikTok/Instagram creator. Logan talks with Ana about songwriting and producing and the importance of an "underlick" of a recording and why it matters. Also discussed is why we shouldn't let marketing and labels get in the way of liking and appreciating a catchy melody.
Follow Logan on Instagram, YouTube and TikTok @vib3.machine. Also check out Logan's "Underlick" songwriting class on Masterclass.
Click Here to listen to Logan's "Underlicks" playlist on Spotify.
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Ana and Lizzie are joined by Lizzie's sister Hallie to discuss our patron saint: Harry Styles (we kid about the esquire thing). We chat about Harry's years as a boyband member, his role and how he has grown as a vocalist and musician since then. We also talk about his fashion choices as well as our experience seeing Harry during his "Love On Tour" residency in New York.
Links:
The Maine's cover of "Watermelon Sugar": https://open.spotify.com/track/3RAzJMkJ8CfcYKhBd4jkBd?si=11ff175ff8a9412b
Solo Harry performing "What Makes You Beautiful": https://youtu.be/nS0dGIgPG_Y
Harry scolding a fan throwing a phone at him: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiDbOGxA5xD/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays! Ana, Ceci & Lizzie talk about their love of Christmas, boybands and why Boyband Christmas music is the ultimate Christmas music. We discuss our favorite boyband and non-boyband Christmas albums, songs and memories. We end with a recap of 2022 and the pop music that it gave us and which boybands we said a (hopefully temporary) goodbye to.
TMBP's Boyband Christmas Spotify Playlist:
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7EGDNPUKsuUd1S6Hy6anTC?si=dc58d7d8cdbb445c
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Ana and Lizzie chat with author & lover of all boybands Ali Tierney. We discuss her boyband journey, to being a mother of boys, and now an author of a boyband children's book, "B is for Boybands".
We chat about her love and obsession with the short-lived boyband Dream Street (1999-2002) and what set them apart from the other boybands at the time. We then discuss members of Dream Street, including her favorite: Chris Trousdale (RIP).
Click here to buy "B is for Boybands" on Amazon
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Ana and Lizzie chat with Marcus Monroe. Marcus is an NYC-based comedian known for being a boyband superfan, often telling jokes related to his love of boybands while wearing a boyband t-shirt. We discuss our shared love of boybands such as O-Town, Backstreet Boys, One Direction and *NSYNC. We also talk about the Backstreet Boys DNA show as well as Marcus witnessing the 3/5 *NSYNC reunion at Ryan Cabrera and Alexa Bliss’ wedding.
Check our Marcus’ comedy, shows and tour at marcusmonroe.com and follow him on social media: YouTube, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok @marcusjmonroe and Twitter @marcusmonroe
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PART 2 - Ana, Ceci and Lizzie discuss Backstreet Boys' albums and music from Millennium (1999) until the most recent album DNA (2022). We discuss the songwriters and producers who worked with them on songs on these albums as well as our own memories, stories and perspectives with the music.
References:
1.) Lisa Miskofsky - "Another Shape Of My Heart"
Lisa was one of the songwriters on "Shape Of My Heart" and recorded and released her own version
Spotify Link: https://open.spotify.com/track/5DZ1SHJo5mFfjtV3g0iN6s
2.) Backstreet Boys - "Treat Me Right"
JC Chasez (*NSYNC) wrote this song with AJ McLean. It is also speculated JC is singing backing vocals on this song. "You're just no good for me / I know you're not good for me"
https://open.spotify.com/track/5SrSCFXjjn76bK13engFQr?si=77e4f02b28104dfd
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OH MY GOD WE'RE BACK AGAIN! Ana, Ceci & Liz are BACK with Season 2 featuring a discussion on the Backstreet Boys. We get into our own personal experiences with the band, including our recent podcast field trip to BSB's DNA World Tour. We discuss all of the members, their relationship with Cheiron Studios in Sweden, and end with a deep dive into their debut album.
Links & References:
1. Show Em What You're Made Of - BSB's 2015 Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ6ppWv0sxA
2. This Is Pop - 2021 Docuseries, Netflix
Episode 3 - Stockholm Syndrome
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Ana and Lizzie provide their immediate reactions after attending the Backstreet Boys DNA show while waiting in post-show parking lot traffic.
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Ana & Lizzie sit down with James Rodriguez (host, "The Original Doll" podcast) and discuss the music and cultural importance of pop music and boybands. We also get into JC Chasez's career as a solo artist, and the parallels of JC's story compared to Britney Spears' treatment by Jive records, specifically, the story about her never released "Original Doll" album.
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Ana and Sasha continue their conversation about JC Chasez by diving into JC's short-lived career as a solo artist. We talk about JC's story with Jive records, and discuss the lack of support he received from the label. We also analyze songs from his debut album Schizophrenic and also discuss the ethical dilemma surrounding the never released but recently leaked "Story of Kate" album. We end with talking about JC's current status as a music producer and songwriter and what is potentially in store for JC's future.
Links:
JC Chasez Producing & Songwriting Credits (Spotify Playlist): https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4UtCaSNajRaStAKbvDh2qi?si=f35c730fcb284c71
Documentary: Dirty Poplitics & the Solo Career of JC Chasez
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhlQk8wfquw
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB6_tHHl950
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Ana & Lizzie start Part 2 with discussing topics from Maria Sherman’s book “Larger Than Life”, including the business of One Direction and their professional relationship with 5 Seconds of Summer. We also talk about the Rainbow Direction and how 1D was most likely the first ever queer-friendly boyband, and how this benefitted them. We then get into a deep dive of their albums Midnight Memories, Take You Home, Four, and Made in the A.M. Credit is given to how 1D re-defined so many boyband “rules”, including properly setting up every member for a successful solo career with the proper backing and support from their label and music industry (and yes we compare this to how JC Chasez and the rest of *NSYNC were treated) Don't forget to listen to Lizzie's Essential One Direction Spotify Playlist! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/13q5MfPxa3QNAxQcK4jxvM?si=a0186391a4d84812
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Ana & Lizzie discuss Lizzie's all-time favorite boyband: One Direction. In the first part of the episode, Lizzie talks about her study abroad experience as an American in London during the beginning of One Direction's rise to success. We also analyze the influence (both positive and negative) that social media had on One Direction's career. We also discuss the specific vocal arrangement, style and abilities of each member, and then do a deep dive into their debut album Up All Night. Also, check out Lizzie's Essential One Direction Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/13q5MfPxa3QNAxQcK4jxvM?si=a0186391a4d84812
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