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Exploring the history of the Disney Parks (with a dash of the ridiculous!), Distory with Kate and Kirk is an adventure into the fascinatingly obscure details that have made the Disney parks what they are today.
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What bizarre technique did Disney's artists use to make Tinker Bell glow? And what disturbing story elements did Disney change from the original novel when they created their feature film?On this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk, we follow the second start to the right as we explore the fascinating art, history, animation, and development of Disney’s Peter Pan animated feature film. Along the way, we discover some bizarre truths about the original novel, find some unique connections between Peter Pan and another iconic Disney attraction, and hear some behind-the-scenes stories of how this film was created. This episode also includes excerpts from a 1953 document from Walt Disney explaining why Peter Pan was so dear to his heart and what it meant to him on a personal level. Kate gives us some insight into how Tinker Bell was created, Kirk explains the origin of the Lost Boys, and we take a moment to reflect on the similarities between two creative men and what a boy who didn’t want to grow up meant to them. Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Kate’s BooksWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
Marc and Alice Davis’s love story is one for the ages, intertwined as it is with Disney history. But they also loved us through their imaginative, creative work in some of Disney’s most iconic attractions. On this special Kate-only episode of Distory, we explore some historical stories of Disney Imagineers Marc and Alice Davis, highlighting not only some unique tales about their life as a couple, but also their individual creative careers. As we go, we'll visit some lost concept art, laugh along with Alice’s colorful storytelling, and mourn the loss of Marc’s career.We’ll also hear some exclusive preview excerpts from Kate's upcoming book entitled So This is Love: What Disney History Teaches Us about Love, a thoughtfully curated collection of meditations that explores love through the stories, spaces, and history of Disney culture.Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's BooksWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
How did lost concepts from the Haunted Mansion inspire the Tower of Terror?Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into California Adventure's lost Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within its design.In this final episode in our 29-part Tower of Terror series, we check out of the DCA and DLP versions of the Tower of Terror, exploring details on the ride and in the exit of the attraction. After hearing some descriptions from the official Imagineering show guide, we explore the secrets of the looking glass, with a detour to a dark entertainment spot in Paris along the way. Kirk explains some changes to the ride mechanics and goes over the creepy new storyline for the Disneyland Paris version, before Kate walks us off the ride to explore the Modern Wonders in the shopping arcade at the exit. We end this episode with some history of camera design and electric shavers before checking out one final time from the Hollywood Tower Hotel. Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
There were hidden secrets in the Boiler Room of the DCA Tower of Terror that made it the most TERRIFYING version of all, but most people walked right past them without noticing the detailed storytelling. Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into California Adventure's lost Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within its design.In this episode, we timidly step into the boiler room of the DCA and DLP versions of the Tower of Terror, starting with the poetic words of the original Imagineering Show Info Guide. Then we lean in to take a closer look at the employee bulletin board, clock in for work, and make a few phone calls on a vintage rotary pay phone. Kate explains some horrific (and perhaps too obvious) storytelling, Kirk walks us through the history of Stanley's thermoses at the mechanics desk, and we ponder the bizarre location of a chair repair station. After hearing some lost voices and laughing at the absurdity of our obsession with Disney's lamps, we wrap up this boiler room episode that compares and contrasts the Disney California Adventure version of the Hollywood Tower Hotel to the one still currently in Disneyland Paris (with a few glances at the Hollywood Studios version as well). Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
How did the Imagineers alter the storytelling of the Tower of Terror libraries for the California and Paris versions?Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into California Adventure's lost Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within its design.In this episode, we check into the DCA and DLP versions of the Tower of Terror, exploring details in the lobby, foyer, and libraries of this iconic attraction. Along the way, we discover some scandalous true confessions in the lobby, followed by some disappearing monarchs and Twilight Zone connections in the foyer. We then step into the libraries to point out some unique props and differences between this version of the Tower and the one that still exists in Walt Disney World. Kate discusses a tragic love story, Kirk offers up some wisdom (and cookie recipes), and we laugh our way through this (thankfully) LAST Hollywood Tower Hotel library episode in our series.Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
Christmastime in the Disney parks is a wonder to behold, but its history is something even more magical than snow falling on Main Street. But there are a few less-than-magical things in Disney’s holiday past as well.In this episode, we bring you 6 unique stories from the history of Disney at the most wonderful time of the year, beginning with a behind-the-scenes look at a Muppet Christmas Carol, a trip back in time to 1955 Disneyland at Christmastime, and even Walt Disney’s unusual gift-giving preferences. Kirk takes us on a sweet tour of the history of Disney’s gingerbread houses, Kate gives some magical context to a beloved parade character, and we both share some unique stories that we hope will bring a little extra wonder and joy to your holiday this year. Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
A doll, brochure, and magazine in the DCA Tower of Terror Lobby were all telling a story, but no one has ever fully understood their significance... until now. Drop in with us as we check into California Adventure's lost Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within its elegant (yet terrifying) design.In this episode, we check into the lobby of the DCA and DLP versions of the Tower of Terror and take in all the details of these two highly detailed set designs. Along the way, we explore the signs of the golden age of Hollywood, discuss some lost relics of 1930s culture, and take a few rabbit trails here and there into other fascinating places in Disney history. Kirk explains the creepy doll on the couch, Kate does a deep dive into Disney’s Oz connections, and we both compare and contrast this lobby with the original in Florida, and how the Imagineers reimagined this attraction on a budget.
What is the REAL reason the DCA version of the Hollywood Tower Hotel used to feel so creepy when you stepped inside?Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into California Adventure's lost Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within its design. In this episode, we check into the DCA and DLP versions of the Tower of Terror, wandering the gardens in the exterior queue before stepping into the lobby to see what we can find. Along the way, we play some cards, drink some tea, and explore the nuances of the differences between this version and the one we spent 23 episodes exploring in Disney's Hollywood Studios. Kate uses an Imagineering show info guide to give us a tour of this iconic lobby, Kirk teaches us some new card games, and we both take a side trip to one of the most famous hotels in America to learn how the Imagineers used fear in the collective unconscious to shape their set design.
Why did Disney’s Tower of Terror change its design when it moved locations? And who was Buddy the Bellhop?Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into California Adventure's lost Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within its design.In this episode, we travel to Disneyland Resort to visit the California Adventure version of the Tower of Terror for the first time, covering the concept, design, changes in mechanics, and backstory of this version of the attraction. Because the Disneyland Paris version is almost identical to the one in California, we add that Tower into the mix as well on this international Disney treasure hunt. Along the way, we share some rare Imagineering documents, discuss some never-created attractions, and explore the differences between this version and the one in Disney's Hollywood Studios. Kate discusses some connections to Walt’s history found in the Tower, Kirk translates some German, and we both get a little confused by the Tower’s commercial mascot from 2004 that doesn’t quite fit the storytelling of the Hollywood Tower Hotel. Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Martin Smith Tower TributeKate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
Picture if you will a most unusual attraction exit, as the Tower of Terror’s final scenes hold controversy, history, and a mystery we still have yet to solve. Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into Walt Disney World’s Hollywood Tower Hotel one last time to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within its design.In this episode, we make our way out of the Tower, but not before we find some incredible hidden gems along the way. We start at the checkout desk, highlighting several hidden connections to the Twilight Zone and finding a Halloween postcard of questionable verbiage. Kate admires the ceiling with some original Imagineering color boards, and we spy a hidden Mickey before pausing outside the locked Sunset Room for some storytelling and secrets. Afterward, we head to Tower Gifts to see how this area changed in both concept and execution from the 1990s, before heading out of the Tower and giving a warm welcome back to all who made it through this long series with us. Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
What roles were women not allowed to do in the Haunted Mansion in 1975? And why was Imagineer Dorothea Redmond once forced to work alone in a walled-off office?Welcome, Foolish Mortals, to this special Halloween episode of Distory where we head back to the Haunted Mansion to explore some details, secrets, and history we didn't previously unearth in our 16-episode series on this iconic Disney attraction. With six unique stories in all, this extended episode includes rare concept art, stories you've likely never heard, and even a premiere of a newly restored 35mm video from the 1970s as we delve deeper into the boundless realm of the supernatural.We begin our tour with a historic Cast Member manual, learning how the Mansion's protocols differed from what we see today. After checking out some vintage costumes, Kate digs up a mummified head from Yale Gracey that inspired a popular ghost, and Kirk brings us back to the days of record stories, complete with a dramatic reading. Along the way, we explore Dorothea Redmond's influence on the Mansion, take a ride on a Mansion knock-off attraction, and celebrate spooky season with a celebration of rare, long-lost ghost concepts that never saw the light of day. Many thanks to fellow historian and collaborator Joshua L Harris for permitting us to premiere his latest film restoration of a never-before-released 35mm excerpt of Kurt Russell & The Osmonds touring The Haunted Mansion at Disneyland on The Wonderful World of Disney from 1970 in this episode.You can find more of Joshua’s Disney history work here:https://www.epcotlegacy.com/overviewhttps://www.jlhomnimedia.com/And if you'd like to support his digital preservation work, you can join his Locals community at epcotlegacy.locals.com.Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
What hidden ties to both Disneyland and Epcot are found in the exit of the Tower of Terror?Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into the Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within its design. In this episode, we unload from our ride vehicle and step into the photo preview area, examining and explaining many of the details found in the room behind the photo preview area, using Imagineering’s storyboards as our guide. As we lean in and look closer at the story being told, we explore some historic artifacts from the 1930s and take some side trails to tell stories from a few other Disney parks as well. Kirk gives us a rundown of how switchboards work, Kate finds a Canadian crate she loves, and we both reminisce about a time when technology made us get a little more creative than we are today. Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
There are more details in the dark in the Tower of Terror’s drop than you've likely ever noticed before... but once you see them, the ride will never be the same. Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into the Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within the design. In this episode, we buckle up for the big drop, falling into the fifth dimension by exploring some Imagineering storyboards, concept art, and some bizarre objects in the drop shaft that most people miss. After we discuss how the epilogue has changed since 1994, we spend some time in the unload hold area, finding some unique connections back to the Twilight Zone series and some of our own nostalgia along the way. We end this episode with some hilarious vintage radio ads, a terrifying chair, and an audio animatronic that almost was. Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and Stickers
There was another Hollywood Hotel designed before the Tower of Terror that inspired most of the corridor and fifth dimension scenes, but hardly anyone has ever seen its concept art... until now. Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into the Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within the design. In this episode, we buckle up for the beginning of this ride, exploring the Corridor scene before heading into the Fifth Dimension. Along the way, we see an extraordinary amount of rarely-seen storyboards and concept art from Imagineering that help explain the story being told in these scenes. As we move through these two scenes, Kate walks us through the Hollywood Haunted Hotel concept, Kirk educates us about seat belts, and we both explain many of the technical aspects of how the effects are achieved in these scenes. We also discuss a few effects that have changed since 1994, and how the Tower contains some of the most dangerous doors in Walt Disney World, before finding a Hidden Mickey, counting our RPMs and oscillations, and finishing our exploration of the 5th dimension with a celebration of electric fingers.
The Imagineers tucked hidden messages of danger in the Tower of Terror Boiler Room that most guests miss… but we are finding them, one prop at a time. Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into the Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within the design. In this episode, we head back into the Boiler Room of the Tower of Terror to uncover the story being told by Imagineering in the final queue scene before you load onto the attraction. We begin with a seldom-seen Hidden Mickey and some rare concept art from a previous version of the Tower before moving into the left side of the queue to explore the antiques on display. After waxing nostalgic about steam engines, we explain some old-fashioned fuses, take a tour of the hard-to-see props in the caretaker’s desk area, and find a very dangerous clock. Kate explains some poetry, Kirk makes us some coffee, and we end our episode with a discussion about how the concept art changed for the elevator indicators, and why. Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
The Boiler Room of Disney’s Tower of Terror is holding more danger than it appears on the surface… but only if you know where to look.Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into the Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within the design. In this episode, we head into the Boiler Room of the Tower of Terror to uncover the story being told by Imagineering in this creepy, anticipatory space. We explore all the dials, furnaces, antiques, and warnings you might have missed on your way to load into the elevator of the Tower of Terror in the first half of the Boiler Room. Along the way, Kate gives cultural context of why we find furnaces scary, Kirk gives us a technical rundown of all the equipment we see, and we take the right path to the load area, finding some ominous foreshadowing as we go. Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
The props tucked inside the shadowed corners of the Tower of Terror library have an ominous meaning most people miss. Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into the Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within the design. In this episode, we focus on identifying the artifacts found in the second half of the Foxtrot library pre-show room, exploring the details and artifacts along the way. As we make our way around the room, we discuss the meaning of tapestry patterns, explore Greek pottery, and hypothesize why some props were added based on historical context. Kate accidentally shows some inappropriate instruments, Kirk schools us on birds of the world, and we breathe a collective sigh of relief as we (finally!) step out of the library into the entrance to the Boiler Room. Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
What unique themes are hidden in the dark corners of the libraries of the Tower of Terror?Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into the Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within the design. In this episode, we focus on identifying the artifacts found in the first half of the Foxtrot library preshow room, exploring the details and artifacts you may have missed. Along the way, we find some art with hidden meanings, a few unique Twilight Zone references, and some ancient artifacts with a fascinating history. After analyzing the notes, books, and objects on the desk, we discuss some Egyptian artifacts, discover a few prop errors, and go on a convoluted journey with some changing trumpet music. Kate finds ANOTHER connection between Nixon and Disney, Kirk teaches us how to not get burned by candle wax, and we both dance, laugh, and sing our way through this wacky Antiques Roadshow of a Disney preshow inside the Hollywood Tower Hotel. Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
Are the antiques in the Tower of Terror just a bunch of old junk, or are they actually telling a story you haven’t noticed before?Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into the Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within the design. In this episode, we focus on identifying the artifacts found in the second half of the Echo library preshow room, exploring the details and artifacts you may have missed. Along the way, we discover some props that have changed, explore women’s fashion in the 1930s, and discover a unique way of keeping the Hollywood Tower Hotel guests sober. Kate explains a few Twilight Zone connections, Kirk teaches us about Napoleon and some odd golden shoes, and we both ponder the greater meaning behind the props, the story they are telling, and their location within the library. Join us LIVE on YouTube every week! Be notified by subscribing to Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
How many references to the Twilight Zone can you find in the library of the Hollywood Tower Hotel?Drop in with us on this episode of Distory with Kate & Kirk as we check into the Hollywood Tower Hotel to decipher the history, secrets, and stories hidden within the design. In this episode, we focus on identifying the artifacts found in one half of the Echo library preshow room, discovering what this space is telling you that you might have missed in the dark. Along the way, we encounter a confusing cannon and bell combination, a fortune-telling mystic seer, clocks that are all telling a story, and Egyptian artifacts that have a creepy Twilight Zone reference. We also take a seat at the desk to try to decipher who was researching plants, and why. As we wrap up this episode, we identify some of the antiques on the upper shelf, Kirk makes some...Victorian?... cowboy coffee, and Kate gives the kids something to do (if they were in ancient India). Join us LIVE on YouTube most Thursdays at 10:30am Pacific/1:30pm Eastern for more Distory!Kate’s Youtube: @disneyciceroneYou can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and at disneycicerone.com & walruscarp.comView full video versions of each episode at Disney Cicerone's YouTube channel HERE OR on the Spotify version of our podcast.Many thanks to Disney historian Joshua at E82 | The Epcot Legacy for contributing resources for this episode!Kate's books on AmazonWalrusCarp T-shirts & MerchMOWD appDistory T-shirts and StickersKate’s Substack
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