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5-4 is a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. It's a progressive and occasionally profane take on the ideological battles at the heart of the Court's most important landmark cases; an irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics.


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Listen each week as hosts Peter, Michael, and Rhiannon dismantle the Justices’ legal reasoning on hot-button issues like affirmative action, gun rights, and campaign finance, and use dark humor to reveal the high court's biases. Presented by Slow Burn co-creator Leon Neyfakh, and hosted by Rhiannon Hamam, Peter Shamshiri, and Michael Morbius. 5-4 is a production of Prologue Projects.



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This episode was available early to Premium members. If you'd like that kind of perk, consider joining at fivefourpod.com/support.What do you do if ICE comes to your door? How will Trump enforce his anti-trans orders? Are there risks to podcasting in the age of Trump? You asked some really dark questions, and we have answers.To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On BlueSky, find Peter @notalawyer.bsky.social, Michael @fleerultra.bsky.social, and Rhiannon @aywarhiannon.bsky.social. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Trump’s blitzkrieg of executive orders has left many of us scrambling. The policies are cruel and reactionary, but do they amount to a constitutional crisis?If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On BlueSky, find Peter @notalawyer.bsky.social, Michael @fleerultra.bsky.social, and Rhiannon @aywarhiannon.bsky.social. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
What do you do if ICE comes to your door? How will Trump enforce his anti-trans orders? Are there risks to podcasting in the age of Trump? You asked some really dark questions, and we have answers.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode, including this one with helpful tips on how to survive Trump 2.0! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.]5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On BlueSky, find Peter @notalawyer.bsky.social, Michael @fleerultra.bsky.social, and Rhiannon @aywarhiannon.bsky.social. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
TikTok v. Garland

TikTok v. Garland

2025-01-2856:33

The Supreme Court says that you don’t have a constitutional right to post short form videos of cute cats. Is it time for a revolution?You can subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On BlueSky, find Peter @notalawyer.bsky.social, Michael @fleerultra.bsky.social, and Rhiannon @aywarhiannon.bsky.social. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Murphy v. NCAA

Murphy v. NCAA

2025-01-2148:402

You may have noticed that sports betting apps have taken over the world in just a few short years. Blame the Supreme Court.You can subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On BlueSky, find Peter @notalawyer.bsky.social, Michael @fleerultra.bsky.social, and Rhiannon @aywarhiannon.bsky.social. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Peter and Michael join the hosts of the podcast "Know Your Enemy" to discuss how Trump is likely to reshape the federal judiciary during his second term. They talk about some of Trump's judicial appointees as well as outgoing President Biden's successes and failures in the courts.You can subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On BlueSky, find Peter @notalawyer.bsky.social, Michael @fleerultra.bsky.social, and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Every year we like to share some organizations that have a special meaning to us. Given the year ahead, please consider donating or, at the very least, keep listening to 5-4. https://vocal-tx.orgshutitdown4palestine.org/fundraiserhttps://www.detentionwatchnetwork.orghttps://www.hechoonline.orghttps://runforsomething.nethttps://www.marinemammalcenter.orghttps://debtcollective.orghttps://www.pcrf.net/https://www.tahirih.org/https://www.assignedmedia.org/If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. Dustin DeSoto is our producer. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our Peter song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Only subscribers can hear the rest of our conversation about some of pop culture's entertaining legal battles. You could impress your friends at the holiday party by having a fresh take on the Drake and Kendrick beef or knowing the latest regarding the potential TikTok ban. Be smart and sound cool -- become a subscriber! Here is a link to The Verge influencer lawsuit story by Mia Sato Bad influenceTo hear the whole episode, subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Bonus content, access to a vibrant 5-4 Slack community, and occasional denunciations of listeners who disappoint us.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Illinois v. Wardlow

Illinois v. Wardlow

2024-12-1041:385

Imagine losing some of your civil rights based on where you happen to be hanging out. Crazy, we know.You should walk, not run (unless you want to be detained and searched by police), to fivefourpod.com/support to become a premium member, where you can hear every episode. You can also subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
We should all want accurate food labels and strong regulations. We don't want to consume raw milk or mix dolphin in our canned tuna... well, maybe some do.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To get first dibs on live show tickets, dig into our Premium episode catalog, join our Slack community, and more. Join us at fivefourpod.com/support. You can subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Only subscribers get to hear the rest of our conversation about how the Democratic party fell short of making judicial appointments and failed to hold Republicans - and specific Supreme Court Justices accountable. A lot of these mistakes stem from one man, Senator Dick Durbin. To hear the whole episode, subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Bonus content, access to a vibrant 5-4 Slack community, and occasional denunciations of listeners who disappoint us.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Damn you, Merrick Garland. This all could have been avoided... With the election now over, we digest what happened with our friends Jay Willis from Balls & Strikes and journalist Josie Duffy Rice.You can subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
With a second Trump presidency on the horizon, we look ahead to how trans rights will be under attack. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Only subscribers get to hear the rest of our delightful review of My Cousin Vinny, which we consider one of the best courtroom movies ever. It's Joe Pesci and Marisa Tomei. What's not to love? To hear the whole episode, subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Bonus content, access to a vibrant 5-4 Slack community, and occasional denunciations of listeners who disappoint us.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
How America’s morally and physically ugliest billionaires are plotting to destroy labor rights.You can subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode. To get first dibs on live show tickets, dig into our Premium episode catalog, join our Slack community, and more, subscribe at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Madeline Kaplan. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Could a national abortion ban already be in the works? A majority of Americans say no thank you, but as we know, that doesn't matter... *cough* Roe V Wade *cough*If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To get first dibs on live show tickets, dig into our Premium episode catalog, membership in our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.You can subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Mackenzie v. Hare

Mackenzie v. Hare

2024-10-0848:261

Think you're an American citizen just because you're born here? Think again.You can subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon.Donations for the Middle East Children’s Alliance and the people of Gaza here - shutitdown4palestine.org/fundraiser Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Do you love culture war? Then the upcoming Supreme Court term is for you...You can subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon.Donations for the Middle East Children’s Alliance and the people of Gaza here - shutitdown4palestine.org/fundraiser Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
This is a subscriber-only episode about the Real John Roberts, as rendered in a New York Times exposé about the Chief Justice's role in shaping Trump-related jurisprudence and turning the Court into a tool of the ex-President. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode. To get first dibs on live show tickets, dig into our Premium episode catalog, join our Slack community, and more, subscribe at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Lena Richards. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
White collar ass crime... You can subscribe to 5-4 Premium on Patreon, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Benjamin Frisch. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On Twitter, find Peter @The_Law_Boy and Rhiannon @AywaRhiannon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Arthur Lader

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Feb 10th
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Feb 4th
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Alexander Boulton

Maybe a better way to phrase it would be, "You have the right to refuse interrogation."

Jan 24th
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Alexander Boulton

Let's be clear, Tompkins PROBABLY shot that kid. But that's not the important thing. The important thing is that he had his rights violated.

Jan 23rd
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elwags

So illuminating.

Jul 27th
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Chayla Freeman

You guys are wrong on this one. I don't disagree with the need for labor laws and protections. I believe in unions and the public good they render. However, unions are private entities. They are not government licensing or safety bodies. They are not affiliated with any government office on the local, state, or federal level. Not OSHA or depart of labor, or EEOC. Passing a regulation to force private companies to allow other private organizations to enter their property and interrupt their business activities 3 hours a day uolp to 120 days. Assuming calendar days and not business days, this is a third of the year. If business days, then this is almost HALF!!

Apr 30th
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Kira T

starting to wonder if ticky-tack is lawyer slang or smth because I swear one of them says it once per episode and I've never heard anyone else say it

Apr 19th
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Crystal Poczynek

You guys are so bad lmao

Feb 3rd
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Rosie P

Horrifying.

Jun 28th
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Will Shogren

Crooked Media, fucking lol.

Sep 27th
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Tony

libelous and deranged.

May 4th
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Max wagon

if they'd cut down on the giggling and laughing it would be great. but I can't listen to it as is.

Oct 6th
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casey neal

this is the podcast equivalent of doomscrolling. 10/10.

Sep 29th
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Quinten Lansu

I have an unhealthy obsession with American politics (I'm Dutch) and this podcast scratches that itch exactly!

Sep 26th
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Eric Henningfeld

all the conservatards mad because they say true things about the cops lololol

Jul 23rd
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ID19106095

This program is nothing but a group of socialist (presumably millennial) police hating, leftist bafoons who want to sit and bash the Supreme Court and our American Justice system. I am a Constitutionalist, and I believe in strict adherence. Granted, the Supreme Court does in fact often make bad decisions that are contrary to the Constitution, but in so far as this specific program on Qualified Immunity, these so called “attorneys” truly show their ignorance. Apparently these “attorneys”, who are so disgusting and disrespectful towards law enforcement, had to start this podcast program because no law firm would actually hire their idiot rear-ends. They are not attorneys, they are just activists. Perhaps if they studied and better understood UOF issues, and had a better understanding of actual police tactics performed in accordance with the rule of law, not to mention if they told the entire fact pattern of specific cases rather than cherry-picking what they share to benefit their progre

Jul 8th
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Brittany

I absolutely love this show! I especially love hearing different perspectives on cases I had to read during law school. It's almost enough to make me want to go back to law school to discuss the cases again...almost.

Apr 13th
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Jake Miller

🔥 ep

Apr 8th
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Johnny Hamilton

From the two comments that I have read, clearly this podcast appears to be an anti-conservative, left-wing attack on the Supreme Court. I’ll remind all of you who are listening to this podcast that the Supreme Court is there to maintain the balance when compared to the constitution. It is not there to make law. It is not there to promote an agenda. It is there to verify the constitutionality based on the constitution, not personal feelings. I’m going to start listening, because to make an opinion and post it here in the comment section without doing so would be unfair. But, I do have a feeling that I’m going to be disappointed. We’ll have to see.

Mar 13th
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efroh

Love this show! Thanks so much for researching and producing it. I've learned a lot. Would appreciate a show that talks about the threat posed to Chevron review and the greater conservative project to destroy good governance once y'all get through going through the Court's worst recent decisions.

Mar 10th
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