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Julia La Roche brings her listeners in-depth conversations with some of the top CEOs, investors, founders, academics, and rising stars in business. Guests on "The Julia La Roche Show" have included Bill Ackman, Ray Dalio, Marc Benioff, Kyle Bass, Hugh Hendry, Nassim Taleb, Nouriel Roubini, David Friedberg, Anthony Scaramucci, Scott Galloway, Brent Johnson, Jim Rickards, Danielle DiMartino Booth, Carol Roth, Neil Howe, Jim Rogers, Jim Bianco, Josh Brown, and many more. Julia always makes the show about the guest, never the host. She speaks less and listens more. She always does her homework.
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Carol Roth, a “recovering” investment banker, financial television commentator, entrepreneur, and two-time New York Times best-selling author, joins Julia La Roche again for episode 169 to discuss the state of the economy, the Federal Reserve, the impact of deficit spending, and the challenges faced by small businesses.
Links:
You Will Own Nothing: https://www.carolroth.com/nothing/
Follow Carol Roth on Twitter: https://twitter.com/caroljsroth
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro and welcome Carol Roth
1:15 Macro picture, assessment of the economy
2:30 Massive inflation in assets
3:20 Economy has been “window dressed”
5:40 Deficit-driven economy
8:30 Fiscal dominance
10:45 Stagflation
15:00 The Fed
17:00 Debt
20:00 Gold
24:00 State of small business today
The Acid Capitalist Hugh Hendry joins Julia La Roche again, this time in the East Village, for an in-person, unfiltered conversation on macro and more.
Links:
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/hendry_hugh
Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-acid-capitalist-podcast/id1511187978
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@HughHendryOfficial
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro and welcome
1:36 Macro view and the Fed’s no-win situation
2:45 Revisiting financial history
4:20 The U.S. has become the economic locomotive of global growth
5:00 Policy error of fiscal conservatism
6:30 Everything is expensive
7:52 Invest 10% of net worth
9:00 Hugh’s hedge fund years
12:24 ‘To manage a lot of money you have to be serious.’ — the suits
19:07 Looking at charts and patterns while listening to Pink Floyd
24:30 China
36:19 The bubble today - the fragility of valuations
38:00 How you want to be allocated
44:16 The conceit and the arrogance of a well-formed argument
47:00 Hugh’s mistake buying Reader’s Digest in the 90s
48:48 Hugh’s go-to interview question: Tell me when you know it’s going wrong
50:44 Gold’s breakout — not an agent of chaos, the alchemy of chaos
52:24 Japanese Yen
53:49 Bitcoin
57:09 Silver
1:01:50 The Fed’s no-win situation
1:06:49 The Fed shouldn't be cutting interest rates
1:08:47 Present danger
1:11:00 The death of money?
1:15:00 Millennials and Bitcoin
1:18:43 The Bono story
Michael Pento, president and founder of Pento Portfolio Strategies (PPS), joins Julia La Roche on episode 167 to discuss the current state of the economy and the potential risks ahead.
In this episode, Pento highlights the rising inflation rate, the burden on the middle class, and the unsustainable levels of debt. Pento predicts a slowdown in GDP growth and the possibility of a negative quarter in the second half of the year. He believes that the Federal Reserve will be forced to lower interest rates and engage in quantitative easing to stimulate the economy.
Pento also discusses the potential impact on the housing market, equities, and the bond market. He suggests overweighting energy, base metals, and gold in a stagflationary environment.
Links:
https://pentoport.com/
https://twitter.com/michaelpento
00:00 Intro and welcome Michael Reno
00:54 Macro view, inflation, and the bankrupting of the middle class
4:08 If rates don’t come down the economy is in trouble
5:49 Fed rate cuts ahead this year?
8:00 Market is massively overvalued
9:36 Stagflation and how to invest in that environment
11:32 Home prices
13:50 Why Powell can’t wait to end QT now
15:23 Long-term yields might not come down
16:00 Explosion of rates in high-yield will crush the economy
17:27 Gold
20:00 Erosion of the middle class
Nancy Davis, founder and portfolio manager of Quadratic Capital Management, joins The Julia La Roche for episode 166 to react to the May Fed Meeting and the Federal Reserve's decision to keep rates unchanged.
In this episode, Nancy shares that inflation is a persistent issue that cannot be easily resolved. However, she sees this as an opportunity for investors, as many people do not have inflation-protected bonds or exposure to the rates market in their core bond portfolios. Nancy notes that during the last period of high inflation in the 1970s, people often turned to commodities and cyclical equities because the interest rate derivative markets, rates market, and even the inflation-protected bond market did not exist at that time. She adds that investors now have more options to protect their portfolios against inflation compared to the past.
Links:
IVOL: https://ivoletf.com/
Quadratic Capital: https://quadraticllc.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/nancy__davis
0:00 Intro and welcome Nancy Davis
0:59 FOMC reaction
1:22 Fed allowing mortgages to run off
2:30 Volatility, explained
3:15 Fed interest rate policy
5:19 Be really careful about not focusing too much on consensus and looking more at what's priced in.
5:59 Rate cuts this year/ inflation exposure in investor portfolios
7:36 Opportunity in rates
10:49 IVOL (Quadratic Interest Rate Volatility and Inflation Hedge ETF)
15:48 Rates market a leading indicator for you
18:04 Macro picture
19:47 Inflation protected bond market
22:45 Inverted yield curve
24:13 Bonds a good buy?
25:18 Will the Fed cut this year? Will they cut before the election?
26: 22 Assessment of the Federal Reserve/ stagflation?
29:03 Nancy's background
32:40 Parting thoughts
Jim Bianco, president of Bianco Research, returns to The Julia La Roche for episode 165 to discuss the current macro picture and the potential impact of inflation on the economy.
In this episode, he highlights the bifurcated nature of the economy, with inflation posing a challenge for lower-income individuals. Bianco also shares his insights on the Federal Reserve's interest rate policy and the outlook for long-term interest rates. He thinks rates for the 10-year are likely headed higher to 5-5.5% and breaks down what that could mean for asset allocation.
Elsewhere, he weights in on his concerns surrounding the narrative of the Bitcoin ETF, while emphasizing the need for a comprehensive alternative financial system.
Links:
BiancoResearch.com
BiancoAdvisors.com
twitter.com/biancoresearch
Timestamps:
0:00 Welcome Jim Bianco and intro
0:59 Macro picture
1:49 Stickier inflation
4:27 Bifurcated economy
6:06 Interest rate policy outlook
7:50 Fed is not partisan but it is political
9:29 Rates on the 10-year likely headed to 5-5.5%
12:00 The Fed doesn’t change policy in the summer up to election day
13:19 Implications for 10-year at 5-5.5%
19:59 Demographics
24:01 Bitcoin ETF
31:38 How Bitcoin gets to $1 million
34:10 Parting thoughts
Investment banker and author Chris Whalen, chairman of Whalen Global Advisors, who is also the author of The Institutional Risk Analyst, returns to The Julia La Roche Show to discuss the big picture of the economy and markets.
He highlights the dichotomy between the consumer side, which is doing relatively well, and the commercial side, which is suffering due to low interest rates and illiquidity. Whalen predicts that interest rates will rise, leading to a preference for income-focused investments and a shift away from speculative pricing.
He also emphasizes the need for reimagining and redeveloping cities to address the challenges in the commercial real estate sector. Overall, Whalen believes that the economy is producing nominal growth but that people are struggling due to rising costs.
Links:
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen
Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/
The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/
The Death of Leverage; What’s the WAC of Bank America? https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/post/the-death-of-leverage-what-s-the-wac-of-bank-america
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro and welcome Chris Whalen
0:55 Macro view, we’re in a weird dichotomy
2:55 Higher interest rates
4:03 Rate outlook
7:13 5 handle on 10-year treasury
10:18 The death of leverage
12:00 Confidence
16:43 Silent crisis in commercial real estate
20:25 A qualitative recession
25:15 Election year
27:23 Higher rates and impact on investor behavior
32:30 Goodbye
Scott Galloway, Professor of Marketing at NYU Stern School of Business, returns to the pod to join Julia La Roche on episode 163 to discuss his newest book, “The Algebra of Wealth: A Simple Formula for Financial Security.”
The Algebra of Wealth book: https://www.amazon.com/Algebra-Wealth-Formula-Financial-Security/dp/0593714024
0:00 Intro and welcome Scott Galloway
1:04 Macro picture of the economy
3:03 Prosperity is not evenly distributed generationally
5:32 The Algebra of Wealth
7:30 Don’t follow your passion, follow your talent
9:20 Focus + Stoicism x Time x Diversification
9:56 Galloway went broke twice
12:25 Divorce
13:30 Having children
15:35 Myth of balance
17:00 Raised by a single mom
21:00 We’re turning into something that’s not very American
25:31 Investing and harvesting
27:00 Our economic policy is we’ve declared war on the young
24:47 Universities, free speech, and antisemitism on campuses
32:32 DEI
38:15 Masculinity
50:00 Parting thoughts
Keith Fitz-Gerald, principal of the Fitz-Gerald Group, shares his macro view of the world and the five big picture lenses through which he sees the world.
He believes that investing in optimism and knowing where the world is going is better than trying to be right at specific moments in time. He emphasizes the importance of focusing on companies that have great demand for their products and services and can change consumer behavior. Keith also discusses the role of the Fed and the importance of investing in optimism rather than trying to second-guess the unpredictable actions of the Fed.
Link: https://www.keithfitz-gerald.com/
00:00 Introduction and welcome Keith to the show
0:53 Simple is better
1:50 The five Ds
2:50 Does the Fed matter?
5:30 The AI Opportunity and Changing the World
8:22 Keith Fitz-Gerald’s S&P 4750 target in 2023
10:50 Buying right now — chaos creates opportunity
13:00 History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes
14:00 Geopolitics and markets
15:55 When in doubt, zoom out
17:13 Portfolio construction
19:03 Took out S&P 500 price target, 5500-5600 may be next stop
20:20 The Fed needs to stay on sidelines
22:40 Are markets healthy?
26:00 Outlook for the U.S.
26:50 Gold
29:20 Parting thoughts
Michael Howell, CEO of CrossBorder Capital, an investment advisory firm, and author of the book, “Capital Wars: The Rise Of Global Liquidity,” returns to The Julia La Roche for episode 161 to discuss the global liquidity cycle and its impact on the economy.
He explains that liquidity is a key driver of asset prices and that the current liquidity cycle is pushing asset prices higher. Howell argues that the focus on interest rates and policy rates is misplaced, and that the long-term rate and liquidity are more important factors. He also highlights the importance of liquidity in the refinancing of debt and warns of the risks of a liquidity shortage. Howell suggests that investors should consider assets like gold, cryptocurrencies, and solid companies on Wall Street as hedges against monetary inflation.
Links:
Website: http://www.crossbordercapital.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/crossbordercap
Substack: https://capitalwars.substack.com/
Book: https://www.amazon.com/Capital-Wars-Rise-Global-Liquidity/dp/3030392902
Takeaways
Liquidity is a key driver of asset prices and the current liquidity cycle is pushing asset prices higher.
The focus on interest rates and policy rates is misplaced; the long-term rate and liquidity are more important factors.
A shortage of liquidity can lead to banking and refinancing crises.
Investors should consider assets like gold, cryptocurrencies, and solid companies on Wall Street as hedges against monetary inflation.
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
1:38 Macro view + liquidity cycle
3:07 Interest rates
6:10 What really matters is the integrity of the US Treasury market
07:47 Hedging Against Monetary Inflation
9:16 Gold
11:56 US public debt
15:15 Monetizing the debt
18:06 Gold is the pole star in the financial system
20:40 US dollar
26:29 Inverted yield curve
31:37 Conclusion and parting thoughts
Bill Fleckenstein, president and founder of Fleckenstein Capital, discusses the macro view of the world and the impact of the Federal Reserve's monetary policies.
He criticizes the Fed for its incompetence and reckless policies that have led to the creation of two huge bubbles and misallocated capital.
Fleckenstein also highlights the power of the passive bid in distorting the market and the importance of understanding its effects. He believes that the stock market has become a lagging indicator and that the Fed is trapped and unable to fight inflation.
Elsewhere, Fleckenstein discusses the bond market, gold, and silver. He also expresses concerns about the US national debt and the lack of fiscal responsibility.
Links:
Book: https://www.amazon.com/Greenspans-Bubbles-Ignorance-Federal-Reserve/dp/0071591583
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/fleckcap
Website:https://www.fleckensteincapital.com/
Takeaways
The Federal Reserve's incompetence and reckless policies have led to the creation of two huge bubbles and misallocated capital.
The passive bid, driven by defined contribution plans and 401k plans, has distorted the market and changed what works and what doesn't.
The stock market has become a lagging indicator, and the Fed is trapped and unable to fight inflation.
The US national debt is a significant concern, and there is a lack of fiscal responsibility.
Gold and silver are seen as insurance policies against inflation and financial disruptions.
Chapters
0:00 Introduction and welcome Bill Fleckenstein
0:55 Macro view and what the Fed does really matters
4:30 The distorting effects of the passive bid
6:30 The stock market is a lagging indicator
10:45 Equity markets in a bubble or not?
13:30 End game — long end of the bond market rates rise
18:26 Inflation and the inflation psychology
23:53 The Fed’s inflation fight, Fed cutting rates would be an obvious mistake
26:30 The economy and millennials
29:49 Gold price, gold market has figured out Fed is trapped
34:44 Silver
37:04 Outlook on the U.S. and conclusion
Investment researcher and macroeconomic analyst Lyn Alden, founder of Lyn Alden Investment Strategy, joins Julia La Roche on episode 159 to discuss the macro view of the economy, focusing on fiscal dominance.
Alden highlights the wide performance gaps between sectors, which are influenced by fiscal and monetary policies. She discusses the implications of fiscal dominance and the challenges it poses for the Fed's tools to control inflation.
Alden also shares her insights on asset markets, including the rise of gold, Bitcoin, and undervalued energy stocks.
Links:
https://www.lynalden.com/
https://www.amazon.com/Broken-Money-Financial-System-Failing/dp/B0CG83QBJ6
https://twitter.com/LynAldenContact
00:00 Introduction and overview
01:16 Fiscal dominance and its impact sectors
04:37 Fiscal dominance, explained
09:37 Higher highs, higher lows of inflations in 2020s
12:20 Ironically stimulative
16:18 Assessment of the economy, is it healthy?
18:53 Asset markets, rise in gold is indicative of fiscal problems
22:00 undervalued energy stocks and their catalysts
25:33 Insights on Bitcoin, its performance, why it could hit six-figures in next two years
30:17 Conclusion and parting thoughts
New York Times’ bestselling author Larry McDonald, founder of The Bear Traps Report, returns to The Julia La Roche Show to discuss his newest book, “How To Listen When Markets Speak: Risks, Myths, and Investment Opportunities in a Radically Reshaped Economy.”
According to McDonald, we’re in the financial equivalent of the “Fourth Turning,” where the macro regime has shifted from a disinflationary, austerity-driven world to a new era of sustained inflation and increased demand for hard assets. As such, trillions of dollars of assets are currently misallocated.
McDonald highlights the potential for a colossal energy and commodity crisis in the coming years, driven by factors such as the aging power grid, global conflicts, and rising carbon consumption in developing countries. He suggests reallocating portfolios to include a higher component of commodities.
Links:
How To Listen When Markets Speak: https://www.amazon.com/Listen-When-Markets-Speak-Opportunities-ebook/dp/B0C4DFVFNR
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/Convertbond
Bear Traps Report: https://www.thebeartrapsreport.com/
00:00 Introduction and welcome Larry McDonald
01:21 The macro outlook and the shift to a new era
06:00 A different macro regime, great migration into a totally different portfolio construction
09:05 Inflation
11:53 Trillions are misallocated
16:00 Recency bias
20:23 Early innings in commodities
22:00 Headed for a colossal commodities crisis
26:57 Bitcoin, gold, and silver
31:50 Closing remarks
Dr. A. Gary Shilling, President of A. Gary Shilling & Co., an economic consulting firm and a registered investment advisor, joins Julia La Roche on episode 157 for a wide-ranging conversation on the economy.
In this episode, Dr. Shilling discusses the current economic picture, including the possibility of a soft landing and signs of a potential recession. He highlights the narrowing focus of the stock market and the amount of speculation in certain areas. Dr. Schilling also discusses the labor market, the Federal Reserve's interest rate policy, and the impact of inflation on interest rates.
Elsewhere, he shares his investment themes, including the US dollar and the preference for US Treasuries. Dr. Shilling addresses the debt situation in the US. He also points to the risks in commercial real estate.
He concludes by emphasizing the importance of finding hidden flaws and going against the consensus in making investment decisions.
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00:00 Introduction and welcome Dr. Shilling
01:01 Current macro picture, economy isn’t looking like it’s going into a major recession
06:21 Not a healthy economy, highly dependent on labor market and employment
07:07 Federal Reserve and interest rate policy
10:09 Consumer bifurcation
11:35 Interest rates
17:40 Hidden flaws
21:00 Investment themes
25:35 US Treasuries
27:26 Debt situation in the US
32:12 Bubble on the radar? Commercial real estate
36:42 Conclusion
Tom McClellan, editor of The McClellan Market Report and a prominent figure in stock market and technical analysis, joins Julia La Roche on episode 156.
In this episode, Tom shares his views on the economy and markets in a presentation of charts, from the message crude oil prices send stocks to the Presidential Cycle Pattern and, of course, the famed McClellan Oscillator.
Tom explains why a recession is still coming. He also explains why the second half of 2024 could be an unpleasant time for stocks, but we haven't seen the inflection point yet.
Tom is the son of Sherman and Marian McClellan, who are recognized for creating the McClellan Oscillator and Summation Index in 1969.
Tom McClellan has done extensive analytical spreadsheet development for the stock and commodities markets, including the synthesizing of the four-year Presidential Cycle Pattern.
He graduated from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and served as an Army helicopter pilot for 11 years.
Links:
https://www.mcoscillator.com/
https://twitter.com/McClellanOsc
0:00 Intro and welcome Tom McClellan
0:55 Macro view
1:41 Only 2 fundamentals matter for stocks
2:45 Recession is coming
4:25 Inverted yield curve and corporate profits
5:54 Crude oil prices message to stocks
8:00 Stock market and expectation of a top in June
10:57 McClellan Oscillator
13:20 Presidential Cycle Patterns
15:20 Taxes could be a problem
20:56 Fed Funds Target Rate — staying too tight for too long
25:30 Recession call
27:27 McClellan Oscillator — neither bulls nor bears are in charge
29:50 Markets driven by high-flying tech names, people feeling twitchy
35:05 Gold
37:00 Bitcoin
38:20 The McClellan Oscillator origin story
44:00 Parting thoughts
Meredith Whitney, CEO of Meredith Whitney Advisory Group, discusses the state of the US economy and the consumer.
Last year, she did not expect a recession because of the strong consumer. Today, she describes the economy as “bifurcated” because higher-earning households are driving consumer spending.
Whitney also explores the housing market and predicts a supply glut that will lead to a decline in home prices, making it more affordable for younger generations. She delves into the demographic changes and challenges posed by an aging population, particularly in terms of long-term care and housing.
Whitney also addresses the fiscal position of states and the nation, emphasizing the need for a balanced budget and the potential risks of relying on foreign buyers for debt.
Links:
https://meredithwhitneyllc.com/
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
01:05 Macro view, bifurcated consumer
04:19 Sentiment
05:58 Housing market and homeownership
09:21 Timeline for home prices
10:38 Demographic changes and solutions
12:31 Demographic trends and aging Americans
20:31 National debt and foreign buyers
22:46 Possibility of a balanced budget
23:44 Fear and impact of research calls
32:11 Meredith Whitney Advisory Group
Dr. Art Laffer, one of the most influential economists of the past half-century, joins Julia La Roche for episode 154.
Dr. Laffer is the founder and chairman of Laffer Associates, an economic research and consulting firm. Known as the "Father of Supply Economics," he is famous for developing the Laffer Curve, a representation of the relationship between tax rates and tax revenue that was foundational to supply-side economics.
Dr. Laffer served as a member of President Reagan's Economic Policy Advisory Board for both of Reagan's terms.
In our wide-ranging discussion, Dr. Laffer shares his insights on the current state of the U.S. and global economy, fiscal and monetary policy, and his outlook for the future.
Links:
https://www.amazon.com/Taxes-Have-Consequences-Income-History/dp/1637585640
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction and Overview
01:08 The Five Pillars of Prosperity
11:13 Factors Leading to the Current Situation
26:08 Addressing Incentives in Politics
30:41 The Flawed Logic of Stimulus Spending
35:17 The Fallacy of Redistribution
37:38 The Impact of Tariffs and Trade Policies
38:04 The Lack of Economic Understanding Among Professional Economists
39:02 The Laffer Curve and Tax Rates
40:19 The Role of Private Money in the Economy
44:34 The Possibility of a Low, Broad-Based Flat Tax Rate
50:25 The Failure of Government-Controlled Money
54:30 Assessment of the Federal Reserve and Monetary Policy
57:23 The Importance of Economic Principles over Political Labels
01:01:50 Future Topics: Medical Transparency, Debt, Enterprise Zones, and Climate Change
Amy Nixon, a housing and economic analyst, makes her first podcast appearance in six months after making a pivot on her deflationary recession call.
In his episode, Amy discusses the current macroeconomic environment and the challenges it presents. She highlights the combination of tight monetary policy and loose fiscal policy as a significant factor in the economy.
Amy shares her experience of adapting her forecasts and expectations based on changing market conditions.
She also discusses the state of the housing market, the impact of institutional buyers, and the future of real estate agents. Amy addresses the concerns of millennials in the housing market and offers insights into owning a home as an investment.
Links:
https://twitter.com/texasrunnerDFW
Takeaways
The combination of tight monetary policy and loose fiscal policy is a significant factor in the current macroeconomic environment.
Adapting forecasts and expectations based on changing market conditions is crucial for accurate analysis.
The housing market is facing challenges due to tight credit, low transaction volume, and high liquidity.
Owning a home as an investment can be beneficial for wealth building, especially for individuals without much investment knowledge.
The future of the economy is influenced by factors such as inflation, political decisions, and market dynamics.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and macro view of the economy
01:18 Tight monetary policy and loose fiscal policy
03:15 The importance of admitting mistakes and analyzing new data
04:12 Adapting forecasts and expectations for 2023 and 2024
04:23 The impact of changing analysis on housing market
09:46 The state of the housing sector
12:38 The impact of institutional buyers on the housing market
21:15 The housing market and Millennials
25:21 Owning a home as an investment
26:03 The Airbnb bust thesis
32:06 Inflation and the future of the economy
Value investor Brian Hirschmann, managing partner of hedge fund Hirschmann Capital, makes his debut on episode 152 of The Julia La Roche Show.
In this episode, Hirschmann argues that we're currently in the most dangerous time in financial history and that three bubbles—stocks, real estate, and global bonds—could all burst.
Hirschmann also makes the case that we'll likely see more persistent inflation in the future, given the massive deficits and debt burden. He argues that the price of gold could soar to $7,000.
For investments, he favors gold miners and exposure to international equities.
Links: https://www.hcapital.llc/
00:00 Introduction and Macro View of the Economy
00:43 Dangerous Time in US Financial History
03:08 Consequences of Crisis Suppression Policy
04:35 US Equity and Real Estate Bubbles
06:27 Government Debt Problem
08:20 Global Government Debt Crisis
09:47 Government Debt Crisis and Private Sector Recession
11:03 Gold's Performance and Market Environment
13:13 Factors Affecting Gold's Valuation
19:36 Fed Policy and Fiscal Dominance
23:39 Impact of Fiscal Dominance on Gold
27:26 Investing in Gold Mining Companies
31:53 Impact of Bubbles Bursting
35:36 Potential Impacts of Recession
40:10 Likelihood of Recession
44:21 Closing Remarks
Former hedge fund manager Whitney Tilson, now Editor at Stansberry Research, returns to The Julia La Roche Show for a wide-ranging discussion on the economy, markets, and common mistakes investors make.
Whitney discusses the strength of the macro picture and the importance of not betting against America.
In this conversation, Whitney shares stock picks, reflects on missed opportunities, and discusses the importance of letting winners run. He also talks about closing his hedge fund, lessons learned, and the wisdom he gained from the late Charlie Munger.
Tilson emphasizes the need for patience and discipline in investing and highlights the five calamities that can derail a successful life.
Links:
Stansberry Research: https://stansberryresearch.com/our-team/whitney-tilson
The Art of Playing Defense: https://www.amazon.com/Art-Playing-Defense-Falling-Behind-ebook/dp/B091QFHJ6B
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
00:55 Big picture view of the economy and markets
02:43 Caution against letting politics influence investment decisions
03:38 The mistake of predicting gloom and doom
05:24 Betting against America doesn’t make sense
06:59 There are warning flags, but stocks aren’t in bubble territory
8:10 Bitcoin smells frothy, but ‘I would never short it’
09:22 Stock Picks: Berkshire Hathaway, Meta, and other opportunities
10:02 Bitcoin is an instrument of pure speculation
15:56 Stock pick ideas - Berkshire Hathaway, Meta, etc.
21:26 Introduction to Warren Buffett and value investing
26:48 Stock exchanges as interesting investment opportunities
29:08 Lessons from missed opportunities
36:07 The importance of letting winners run
38:50 Reflecting on closing the hedge fund, mental mistakes investors make
43:48 Running a Hedge Fund with Patience and Discipline
46:13 Charlie Munger's legacy
50:06 The Art of Playing Defense
Alfonso Peccatiello, founder of the Macro Compass, discusses the macro view of the current market and investor expectations.
He challenges the narrative of a structurally stronger US economy and presents a contrarian perspective. Peccatiello highlights the ambiguous data and warning signs in the economy, particularly in relation to China's deleveraging process and the spillover ripple effects on other economies.
Peccatiello emphasizes the importance of portfolio construction and diversification to protect purchasing power. He concludes by sharing his background and the launch of a macro fund.
Takeaways
Investors are adjusting their expectations based on the possibility of the Federal Reserve cutting interest rates fewer times than initially anticipated.
The prevailing narrative of a structurally stronger US economy may overlook the tightening of financial conditions and the potential spillover effects from China's deleveraging process.
The data is ambiguous, with some parts of the economy showing signs of slowing down while others remain resilient.
Portfolio construction should focus on diversification and protecting purchasing power, considering assets that are uncorrelated to one's job and the overall economy.
Links:
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/macroalf
The Macro Compass: https://themacrocompass.org/
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
00:22 The macro view
03:08 Prevailing narrative of a stronger US economy, ‘party like it’s 1995’
05:30 Alf’s contrarian narrative
08:54 Ambiguous data and warning Ssgns
11:42 Spillover effects from China
15:41 Possible recession and risks
27:14 Conclusion