Outside Ourselves

What does revival really mean for the modern church? This week, historian, 1517 Scholar in Residence, and Christian History Almanac host, Dan Van Voorhis, joins Kelsi to explore the nuances of revivalism throughout American Christianity and to discuss whether or not the church is currently undergoing a revival. Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationWhat’s New from 1517:1517 Youtube: How God Still Speaks TodayBeing Family by Dr. Scott KeithA Reasoned Defense of the Faith by Adam FranciscoMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Dan: Listen to the Christian History AlmanacDan's FREE 1517 Course on the History of Christianity in America

Christopher Richmann teaches religion and is assistant director for teaching and learning with the Academy for Teaching and Learning at Baylor University. An ordained ELCA pastor, Christopher serves St. John Lutheran Church in Gatesville, TX. He joins Kelsi to discuss his new book with 1517 Publishing, Stretched: A Study Guide for Lent and the Entire Christian Life.Lent often conjures images of self-denial and fasting, leaving many Christians confused about its true significance. Kelsi and Christopher delve into the historical and biblical roots of Lent, shedding light on its importance for the everyday Christian. Show Notes: 1517’s Faith and Reason ConferenceSupport 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YouTubeKelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's SubstackSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Christopher: Order StretchedRead Christopher’s Articles at 1517

Kelsi talks with English professor and Christian apologist, Louis Markos, about the importance of myth, storytelling, and imagination within Christian apologetics. Using C.S Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien as guides, Dr. Markos argues Christianity is the truest myths and therefore Christ is the fulfillment of the pagan hope for a savior as seen in the great myths throughout time. The two also discuss the shift in apologetics in late modernity and Dr. Markos forthcoming book, My Apologetics Dinner Party. Show Notes: 1517’s Faith and Reason ConferenceSupport 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YouTube:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's NewsletterSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutube More from Lou: Preorder My Apologetics Dinner PartyAbout Louis Markos

Kelsi is joined by data analyst, Ryan Burge, to discuss the current American Religious Landscape as well as his newest book, The Vanishing Church: How the Hollowing Out of Moderate Congregations Is Hurting Democracy, Faith, and Us.Dr. Ryan Burge is an associate professor of political science at Eastern Illinois University. He is the author or co-author of four books including The Nones, 20 Myths about Religion and Politics in America, and The Great Dechurching. He has written for the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and POLITICO. He has also appeared on 60 Minutes, where Anderson Cooper called him, "one of the leading data analysts of religion and politics in the United States." He has been a pastor of an American Baptist Church for over seventeen years.Show Notes: ⁠Support 1517⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on YouTube⁠⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠Subscribe to the Show:⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠Youtube⁠More from Ryan: The Vanishing ChurchRyan's Substack, Graphs About ReligionFollow Ryan on X

Kelsi chats with David Zahl about themes of faith and grace in Rian Johnson's newest film, Knives Out: Wake Up Dead Man.David Zahl is founder and director of Mockingbird Ministries, which receives more than 1 million website page views per year and 35,000 newsletter subscribers and social media followers. He is editor in chief of the Mockingbird blog and cohost of the Mockingcast podcast.Show Notes: ⁠Support 1517⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on YouTubeRead Dave's articleFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on SubstackSubscribe to Outside Ourselves

Kelsi talks with Assistant Professor of Pastoral Ministry and Missions, John Pless, about compiling and editing, The Essential Nestingen: Essays on Preaching, Catechism, and the Reformation. These essays were written by Dr. Pless' good friend, James Arne Nestingen (1945-2022). Jim was a beloved pastor, seminary professor, and most of all a confessor and preacher of the Gospel of Jesus. John talks about his friendship with Jim, Jim's legacy and the importance of collaboration within Lutheran theology. Rev. John T. Pless is assistant professor of pastoral ministry and missions at Concordia Theological Seminary in Fort Wayne, Indiana. He also serves as the director of field education for the seminary. Previously, Rev. Pless spent seventeen years as a campus pastor at University Lutheran Chapel at the University of Minnesota. He is the book review editor for Logia: A Journal of Lutheran Theology and a member of the editorial council of Lutheran Quarterly. In addition, Rev. Pless is copresident of the International Loehe Society, a regular lecturer at various conferences, and a member of the LCMS Committee on the Sanctity of Human Life. Rev. Pless received his BA from Texas Lutheran College and his MDiv from Trinity Lutheran Seminary, Columbus, Ohio.Show Notes: Support 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YouTubeKelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's NewsletterSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Dr. Pless: The Essential NestingenPastor CraftLuther's Large Catechism with Annotations and Contemporary Applications

Kelsi chats with Pastor Matt Popovits about this year's 1517 Advent Resources, Coming Home for Christmas: Advent in Isaiah. For the past three years, Matt has written the sermons for this series which is available for free for pastors and lay people alike to download and use. The series also includes a personal devotional. The two discuss the multiple layers to this year's theme: the importance of the season of Advent, the promises of Christ found throughout the book of Isaiah, and the specific promise that Christ comes to us in the manger to bring us home and to be our home forever. Matt Popovits serves as Lead Pastor of St. Mark Houston, in Houston, Texas. Prior to serving in Houston, Matt was the planting and Lead Pastor of OSNY, a family of neighborhood parishes in New York City. Matt has also served as a staff writer for Homiletics and is a frequent speaker at churches and events around the country.Show Notes: Support 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YouTubeMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's NewsletterSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeComing Home for Christmas: Advent in IsaiahOrder a copy of the Personal DevotionalMore from Matt:Follow Matt on InstagramJunk Drawer Jesus

Kelsi chats with professor, pastor, and author Ryan Tinetti about his new book, The Quiet Ambition: Scripture's Surprising Antidote to Our Restless Lives. Based on 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12, The Quiet Ambition argues the life of the Christian often has much less to do with changing the world than it does faithfully trusting our work matters because we matter to God. Ryan P. Tinetti is a pastor who now serves as a professor of practical theology at Concordia Seminary (Saint Louis). He is the author of Preaching by Heart and writes the regular column "The Preacher's Toolbox" on 1517.org. Prior to his call to Concordia Seminary, Ryan served for fourteen years in parish ministry. Ryan lives with his wife, Anne, and their four children in St. Louis on the campus of the seminary.Show Notes:⁠⁠⁠Support 1517 Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠1517 on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠1517 Events Schedule⁠⁠⁠1517 Academy - Free Theological Education⁠⁠⁠What’s New from 1517:Untamed Prayers: 365 Daily Devotions on Christ in the Book of Psalms by Chad Bird⁠⁠⁠⁠Coming Home for Christmas: 1517 Advent Devotional⁠More from Kelsi:⁠⁠⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠More from Ryan:Order The Quiet AmbitionRead Ryan's Substack

Kelsi talks with Erica Sorensen about her experience in youth ministry and the affects of our current digital age on parenting and kids. The two discuss the impact of therapy culture, online culture, and trauma for Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Ultimately, Erica reminds listeners that Jesus is the answer for both them and their children and that we can trust him because his promises never fail. Erica Sorensen is in charge of Individual Partnerships in the Development Department at 1517. She holds a B.A. in both International Economics and Spanish from Valparaiso University and a M.A. in Teaching from the University of St. Thomas. Erica has a diverse work background in non-profit business operations, K-12 education, and fundraising. She is a passionate Gen Z advocate and speaker to church leadership and youth alike, teaching about the unique joys and challenges of sharing the gospel message with young people in a post-Christian world.Show Notes:⁠⁠Support 1517 Podcast Network⁠⁠⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠⁠⁠⁠1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠1517 Events Schedule⁠⁠⁠⁠1517 Academy - Free Theological Education⁠⁠What’s New from 1517:⁠⁠Untamed Prayers: 365 Daily Devotions on Christ in the Book of Psalms by Chad Bird⁠⁠Coming Home for Christmas: 1517 Advent DevotionalMore from Kelsi:⁠⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠

Kelsi is joined by Pastor and 1517 contributor, John Hoyum, to discuss Martin Luther's Bondage of the Will. In this conversation, the two go over some of Luther's main arguments against the idea that humans have the free ability to choose God in salvation and talk about how Luther approached Scripture in order to rebut the humanist, Desiderius Erasmus', argument for the free will. Show Notes:⁠Support 1517 Podcast Network⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠Introduction to the Bondage of the Will Article SeriesOrder the Bondage of the WillWhat’s New from 1517:⁠Untamed Prayers: 365 Daily Devotions on Christ in the Book of Psalms by Chad Bird⁠⁠Remembering Your Baptism: A 40-Day Devotional by Kathryn Morales⁠⁠Sinner Saint by Luke Kjolhaug⁠⁠The Impossible Prize: A Theology of Addiction by Donavan Riley⁠More from Kelsi:⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠⁠More from John: John HoyumPreaching the Text Podcast Follow John on X

This week, Kelsi chats with author and theologian, Dani Treweek about her work on singleness and the church, and in particular, her new book, "Single Ever After: A Biblical Vision for the Significance of Singleness." Dani argues that just like marriage, singleness points us to eternity and therefore has intrinsic value to the church. Timecodes: 00:00 Introduction03:41 The Church’s Response to Singleness07:31 Navigating Societal Trends and Church Responses12:48 The Value of Singleness in the Church18:03 Understanding the Intrinsic Value of Singleness23:00 The Coexistence of Singleness and Marriage33:50 The Loneliness of Singleness in the Church39:30 Understanding Genesis: Singleness is not Aloneness46:25 The Misinterpretation of the Gift of Singleness56:43 Defining Sexuality and its Implications for Singles Show Notes:⁠Support 1517 Podcast Network⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠⁠1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠1517 Events Schedule⁠⁠1517 Academy - Free Theological Education⁠What’s New from 1517:⁠Untamed Prayers: 365 Daily Devotions on Christ in the Book of Psalms by Chad Bird⁠⁠Remembering Your Baptism: A 40-Day Devotional by Kathryn Morales⁠⁠Sinner Saint by Luke Kjolhaug⁠⁠The Impossible Prize: A Theology of Addiction by Donavan Riley⁠More from Kelsi:⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠More from Dani:Order Single Ever AfterDani's WebsiteFollow Dani on X

In this episode, Kelsi talks with theologian and author, Andrew Root, about his work on the secular age and his newest book, Evangelism in the Age of Despair. The two talk about how despite our culture's emphasis on happiness, we remain sadder than ever and the role of consolation in evangelism. Andrew Root (Ph.D., Princeton Theological Seminary) is the Carrie Olson Baalson professor of youth and family ministry at Luther Seminary in St. Paul, Minnesota.Show Notes:Support 1517 Podcast Network1517 Podcasts1517 on Youtube1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 Events Schedule1517 Academy - Free Theological EducationWhat’s New from 1517:Untamed Prayers: 365 Daily Devotions on Christ in the Book of Psalms by Chad BirdRemembering Your Baptism: A 40-Day Devotional by Kathryn MoralesSinner Saint by Luke KjolhaugThe Impossible Prize: A Theology of Addiction by Donavan RileyMore from Kelsi:Kelsi Klembara⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠More from Andy:Andy's WebsiteOrder Evangelism in the Age of Despair

Kelsi is joined by Jonathan Linebaugh to discuss his new book, The Well that Washes What it Shows: An Invitation to Holy Scripture. In the book and in this conversation, Jono describes Scripture as God's living and active word by which he does two works: reveals of our need for Jesus and gives us Jesus himself. Jonathan A. Linebaugh serves as Anglican Chair of Divinity and professor of New Testament and Christian theology at Beeson Divinity School, Samford University. He is the author or editor of several books, including The New Perspective on Grace, The Word of the Cross, and God’s Two Words.Show Notes:Support 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YoutubeMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's NewsletterSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Jono:Order The Well that Washes What it Shows

In this episode of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi talks with author Brittany Lee Allen about her book Lost Gifts: Miscarriage, Grief, and the God of All Comfort. Brittany opens up about her experience with recurring miscarriage and the peace she has found in Christ amid deep loss. Together, Kelsi and Brittany discuss both helpful and unhelpful ways we talk about miscarriage, and how—even though God doesn’t promise to remove our suffering—He does promise to be present with us in it.Show Notes:Support 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YoutubeMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's NewsletterSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Brittany: Purchase Lost GiftsBrittany's WebsiteFollow Brittany on Instagram

In the final Summer Break episode, Kelsi chats with Caleb and Nathan from  @theologyontherise  the 2021 movie, Belfast, and what it means to be given and identity rather than create one. They discuss how Belfast's main character, Buddy, wrestles with who he is as his parents simultaneously wrestle with a big family decision and where, while more descriptive than prescriptive, they see examples of Christian vocation throughout the film.Show Notes:⁠⁠⁠Support 1517⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠⁠⁠More from Kelsi: ⁠⁠⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the Show: ⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Youtube⁠Theology on the Rise: YouTubeInstagram

In this episode of Outside Ourselves Summer Break, 1517 executive director, Scott Keith, joins Kelsi to talk about the Marvel Cinematic Universe and specifically, the character arc of Tony Stark or Iron Man over the course of the Avengers: Infinity Saga series. Scott explains how J.R.R. Tolkien's term, eucatastrophe, is at play in the series. The two conclude that the hero's journey works as long as the hero emulated is Christ himself, and also discuss how we all long for a hero who doesn't lecture us, but saves us. Show Notes:⁠Support 1517⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠More from Kelsi: ⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠ Kelsi's Newsletter⁠ Subscribe to the Show: ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠ ⁠Spotify⁠ ⁠Youtube⁠More from Scott:The Thinking Fellows PodcastBeing Dad: Father as a Picture of God's Grace

In this episode of Outside Ourselves: Summer Break, author, 1517 contributor, and internet theology whiz kid, Amy Mantravadi discuss theological themes in Charlotte Bronte's novel, Jane Eyre. Amy makes the argument that Jane's character development traces a law-gospel dynamic with Jane moving from a place of shame and condemnation to ultimately, resurrection.Show Notes:⁠⁠Support 1517⁠⁠⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠⁠More from Kelsi: ⁠⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠⁠ Subscribe to the Show: ⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Youtube⁠More from Amy:Broken Bonds: A Novel of the ReformationFollow Amy on XAmy's Substack

Kelsi talks with pastor, author, and 1517 contributor, Bradley Gray, about themes of suffering in Apple TV's series, Severance. The two explore how the show reveals humanity's inability to escape suffering before turning to the Christian answer for pain, grief, and ultimately death.Show Notes:⁠Support 1517⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠More from Kelsi: ⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠ ⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠ Subscribe to the Show: ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠ ⁠Spotify⁠ ⁠Youtube⁠More from Bradley:Read "The Wounds We Run From" at 1517Brad's Book, Finding God in the DarknessBrad's Substack

In this first episode of Outside Ourselves Summer Break series, Kelsi chats with Reformation Theology professor (and Broadway Musical Buff), Ken Sundet Jones, about the connections between Wicked and a theology of glory/theology of the cross. The two focus in on Elphaba's desire to live without limitation and where this desire leads - ironically not to freedom and goodness, but to wickedness and bondage.Show Notes:1517 Podcast Fundraiser⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠More from Kelsi: ⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠ ⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠ Subscribe to the Show: ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠ ⁠Spotify⁠ ⁠Youtube⁠More from Ken:The Iowa's Preacher ProjectWicked and the Limits of Freedom

Kelsi is joined by author and pastor, Luke Kjolhaug, to talk about his new book, Sinner Saint: A Surprising Primer to the Christian Life. Luke lays out a biblical defense of simul iustus et peccator, or the idea that in this life, the Christian remains wholly sinful while also being wholly justified. The two talk about the importance of imputation when it comes to understanding the simul, what sanctification really is, and both the offense and good news of the sinner-saint doctrine. Show Notes:⁠Support 1517⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠More from Kelsi: ⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠ ⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠ Subscribe to the Show: ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠ ⁠Spotify⁠ ⁠Youtube⁠More from Luke: Buy Sinner Saint: A Suprising Primer to the Christian LifeLuke’s talk on the Christian as Sinner Saint