Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

The culmination of our fifth season encapsulates a profound exploration of growth through the lens of the Enneagram, revealing that true development demands a nuanced understanding of oneself and others. Throughout this season, we endeavored to showcase the diverse schools of thought within the Enneagram community, emphasizing the importance of critical thinking and the ability to hold complexity in our perspectives. The incomparable, Lee Fields joins us halfway through to give us her take on the season and illuminate the necessity for individuals to engage deeply with their own narratives while remaining open to the insights of others, thereby fostering an environment conducive to genuine growth. Together, we reflect on the journey we undertook, acknowledging the challenges faced and the insights gained, as we sought to create a lasting resource for our audience. As we transition into future endeavors, we remain committed to advancing the conversation surrounding the Enneagram, encouraging listeners to embrace both the rigidity and fluidity inherent in their personal growth journeys.Big thanks to LEE FIELDS for joining us in this last episode. We love you Lee!Awareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario Sikora: IG: @mariosikoraTikTok: @mariosikoraWeb: mariosikora.comSubstack: mariosikora.substack.comMaria Jose Munita: IG: @mjmunitaWeb: mjmunita.comPodcasts:Awareness to Action Enneagram in a MovieThe Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino:Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/Christopher Copeland:Web: illuminatingpaths.comNarrative Podcasts:Heart of the EnneagramThe Somatic EnneagramFrom Armor to EaseThe Enneagram InstituteGayle Scott: Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.comMichael Naylor:Web -

In Part 2, we unpack our thoughts on what the Enneagram teachers shared in our last episode. You'll hear us compare and contrast the models, and share what resonated with us, as well as what we'd like to see evolve, and we explore how we plan to synthesize all we've learned and carry it forward. We are so very grateful to our six teachers for their gift of time and knowledge, and their incredible generosity. Mental Health Toolkit: Tools to Bolster Your Mood & Mental HealthAwareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario Sikora: IG: @mariosikoraTikTok: @mariosikoraWeb: mariosikora.comSubstack: mariosikora.substack.comMaria Jose Munita: IG: @mjmunitaWeb: mjmunita.comPodcasts:Awareness to Action Enneagram in a MovieThe Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino:Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/Christopher Copeland:Web: illuminatingpaths.comNarrative Podcasts:Heart of the EnneagramThe Somatic EnneagramFrom Armor to EaseThe Enneagram InstituteGayle Scott: Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.comMichael Naylor:Web - enneagrammaine.comYou Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews—Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans—Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership CommunityCo-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey MarksProduction/Editing: a...

As we begin wrapping up season 5, we're answering the question, "What now?" We've looked at all seven types through the lens of three influential models, but how do we actually apply it? As we say our goodbyes, we ask our six teachers how their models contribute to growth and transformation, as well as their hopes for the future evolution of the Enneagram.Awareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario Sikora: IG: @mariosikoraTikTok: @mariosikoraWeb: mariosikora.comSubstack: mariosikora.substack.comMaria Jose Munita: IG: @mjmunitaWeb: mjmunita.comPodcasts:Awareness to Action Enneagram in a MovieThe Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino:Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/Christopher Copeland:Web: illuminatingpaths.comNarrative Podcasts:Heart of the EnneagramThe Somatic EnneagramFrom Armor to EaseThe Enneagram InstituteGayle Scott: Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.comMichael Naylor:Web - enneagrammaine.comYou Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews—Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans—Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership CommunityCo-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey MarksProduction/Editing: Liminal PodcastsFollow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: a...

The focal point of this podcast episode revolves around the exploration of Type Seven within the Enneagram framework, characterized by their intrinsic desire for excitement and aversion to emotional pain. We delve into the complexities of the Seven's experience, emphasizing the multifaceted nature of their personality, which is often misunderstood as superficiality. Through thoughtful discourse, we unravel the dichotomy of their vibrant exterior contrasted with the profound emotional depth they possess, often hidden beneath a facade of joy. By sharing personal anecdotes and insights, we aim to illuminate the rich inner world of Sevens, fostering a greater understanding of their motivations and challenges. The dialogue further encourages listeners to reflect on their own interactions and perceptions of this dynamic type, inviting a deeper appreciation for the nuanced layers that define the Seven's journey.Human Interview: Milton Stewartkaizencareers.comDo It For The Gram PodcastThe Enneagram Institute Type 7The Narrative EnneagramType 7Awareness to ActionType 7Awareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario Sikora: IG: @mariosikoraTikTok: @mariosikoraWeb: mariosikora.comSubstack: mariosikora.substack.comMaria Jose Munita: IG: @mjmunitaWeb: mjmunita.comPodcasts:Awareness to Action Enneagram in a MovieThe Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino:Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/Christopher Copeland:Web: illuminatingpaths.comNarrative Podcasts:Heart of the EnneagramThe Somatic Enneagrama...

The salient focus of our discourse today revolves around the exploration of Type 6 within the Enneagram framework, characterized predominantly by a quest for security and an instinctive response to perceived threats. Throughout this episode, I engage with nine distinguished speakers, each contributing unique insights into the complexities that define this personality type. We delve into the dual expressions of Type 6, namely the phobic and counterphobic tendencies, highlighting how both seek safety albeit through divergent methodologies. The conversation further touches upon the intrinsic relationship between fear and courage, elucidating how these emotions coexist and inform the behaviors of Type 6 individuals. As we navigate these profound themes, our aim is to foster a comprehensive understanding of Type 6, encouraging listeners to reflect on how these dynamics may manifest in their own lives and in their interactions with others.Human Interview: Ben CampbellWebsiteInstagramAwareness to ActionType 6The Enneagram InstituteType 6The Narrative EnneagramType 6Awareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario Sikora: IG: @mariosikoraTikTok: @mariosikoraWeb: mariosikora.comSubstack: mariosikora.substack.comMaria Jose Munita: IG: @mjmunitaWeb: mjmunita.comPodcasts:Awareness to Action Enneagram in a MovieThe Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino:Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/Christopher Copeland:Web: illuminatingpaths.comNarrative Podcasts:Heart of the EnneagramThe Somatic Enneagram

The focal point of today's discourse revolves around the Enneagram Type Five, characterized by their profound inclination towards detachment and observation as a means of navigating an overwhelmingly stimulating world. We delve into the complexities inherent in the Five’s experience, particularly emphasizing their heightened sensitivity, which often compels them to create emotional distance from their surroundings. Throughout our dialogue, various participants elucidate the nuances of the Five's emotional landscape, shedding light on the intricate interplay between intellect and feeling that defines their existence. Additionally, we reflect upon the common misconceptions surrounding Fives, particularly the notion that they are devoid of emotion, highlighting instead their rich internal life and the necessity for connection. As we progress, we invite listeners to consider how understanding Type Five can foster deeper empathy and insight into their own experiences and those of others.HUMAN INTERVIEW: Melissa KircherWebsiteInstagramTwitterTicktokThe Enneagram InstituteType 5Awareness to ActionType 5The Narrative EnneagramType 5Awareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario Sikora: IG: @mariosikoraTikTok: @mariosikoraWeb: mariosikora.comSubstack: mariosikora.substack.comMaria Jose Munita: IG: @mjmunitaWeb: mjmunita.comPodcasts:Awareness to Action Enneagram in a MovieThe Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino:Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/Christopher Copeland:Web: illuminatingpaths.comNarrative Podcasts:Heart of the...

In this special collaborative episode with Do It for The Gram, the International Enneagram Association Podcast and Fathoms, Milton Stewart is joined by Seth “Creek” Creekmore, Lindsey Marks and Lee Fields as they preview the upcoming IEA Enneagram Experience 2025 - Global Conference and Celebration. All four hosts will be in attendance, so they share what they are looking forward to at this summer’s annual event while also reflecting on this year’s theme — 30 years honoring Enneagram pioneers and future frontiers.The Fathoms team will continue to host the IEA podcast with the traditional long form interviews with legendary figures as well as collect personal stories from attendees to deeply humanize this work. In their current Season Five, Fathoms has been focusing on the history of the Enneagram from the perspective of different schools and models to get a fuller picture of how they’ve come into this tool, providing an important and better framework and grounding before the conference.Milton's Links and Handles:Join KCEP Program: kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.coThe B.I.G. Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.simvoly.com/applicationMilton's Website: KaizenCareers.comUpcoming Events: kaizencareers.com/upcoming-eventsIEA Links:IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.comIEA Podcast: international-enneagram.captivate.fmConnect with Creek:Instagram: @_creekmorePod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastPod: Awareness to Action Enneagram PodcastPod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. BConnect with Lindsey:IG: @lindseyfaithdmPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastConnect with Lee:Web: enneagrammatic.comIG: @enneagrammaticAwareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario Sikora: IG: @mariosikoraTikTok: @mariosikoraWeb: mariosikora.comSubstack: mariosikora.substack.comMaria Jose...

The focal point of this podcast episode revolves around the exploration of Enneagram Type Four, often perceived as the individualistic or romantic type, characterized by a profound longing for identity and uniqueness. Our discussion delves into the complexities of the emotional landscape of Fours, emphasizing their capacity for creativity and introspection, as well as the challenges they face with feelings of inadequacy and longing for connection. Throughout the episode, we engage in a rigorous examination of how Fours navigate their emotional depths and the societal perceptions that often label them as overly sensitive or melancholic. The insights offered by our guests illuminate the paradoxes inherent in the Four's journey—balancing the pursuit for meaning with the acceptance of the mundane aspects of life. Ultimately, we aim to foster a deeper understanding of Type Fours, inviting listeners to appreciate the rich and nuanced experiences that define this unique personality type.Human Interview: Stephanie SpencerWEBSITEstephaniejspencer.comBOOKSOut of the Box & Into the Wild: An Enneagram Journey Through the Triads of NatureBeyond Your NumberAwareness to ActionType 4The Enneagram InstituteType 4The Narrative EnneagramType 4Jerry Seinfeld on writers blockAwareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario Sikora: IG: @mariosikoraTikTok: @mariosikoraWeb: mariosikora.comSubstack: mariosikora.substack.comMaria Jose Munita: IG: @mjmunitaWeb: mjmunita.comPodcasts:Awareness to Action Enneagram in a MovieThe Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino:Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/Christopher Copeland:Web: illuminatingpaths.comNarrative Podcasts:a...

This podcast episode delves into the complexities of the Enneagram Type 3, also known as "The Achiever." We explore the dichotomy of striving for excellence while grappling with the inherent anxieties of performance and recognition. A special guest, Vanessa Fernandez, shares her personal journey in understanding her threeness, articulating the challenges of balancing ambition with authenticity. Throughout the discussion, we highlight the often-overlooked emotional depth and relational dynamics of Type 3 individuals, emphasizing that their drive for success is not merely superficial but deeply intertwined with their sense of self-worth. As we navigate these themes, we encourage listeners to reflect on their own experiences and perceptions surrounding achievement and recognition.HUMAN INTERVIEW: Vanessa FernandezWEBSITEEnneagramworkshop.comPODCASTThe Enneagram Workshop PodcastThe Enneagram InstituteType 3The Narrative EnneagramType 3Awareness to ActionType 3Awareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario Sikora: IG: @mariosikoraTikTok: @mariosikoraWeb: mariosikora.comSubstack: mariosikora.substack.comMaria Jose Munita: IG: @mjmunitaWeb: mjmunita.comPodcasts:Awareness to Action Enneagram in a MovieThe Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino:Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/Christopher Copeland:Web: illuminatingpaths.comNarrative Podcasts:Heart of the EnneagramThe Somatic EnneagramFrom Armor to Easea...

The primary focus of this podcast episode revolves around the exploration of Enneagram Type 2, often referred to as "the Helper." We delve into the intricacies of this type, examining the motivations that drive individuals characterized by this type to seek connection and affirmation through their relationships with others. In particular, we scrutinize the potential for mistyping, as Type 2s may exhibit traits that overlap with other Enneagram types, such as Sevens and Nines, leading to confusion in self-identification. The conversation further highlights the emotional nuances and inherent challenges faced by Type 2s, including the struggle with boundaries and the tendency to prioritize others' needs over their own. Throughout our discourse, we aim to provide listeners with a deeper understanding of the complexities of Type 2, offering insights that may facilitate personal growth and interpersonal dynamics.Human Interview: Hunter MobleyLetting Go, Finding You: Uncover Your Truest Self through the Enneagram and ContemplationForty Days on Being a Two The Narrative Enneagram - Type 2The Enneagram Institute - Type 2Awareness to Action - Type 2Awareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario Sikora: IG: @mariosikoraTikTok: @mariosikoraWeb: mariosikora.comSubstack: mariosikora.substack.comMaria Jose Munita: IG: @mjmunitaWeb: mjmunita.comPodcasts:Awareness to Action Enneagram in a MovieThe Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino:Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/Christopher Copeland:Web: illuminatingpaths.comNarrative Podcasts:

The focal point of this podcast episode is a thorough exploration of Type One in the Enneagram, often referred to as the "Reformer" or "Perfectionist." This discussion encompasses the characteristics of Type One, such as their principled nature, commitment to integrity, and the relentless pursuit of improvement. Throughout the dialogue, we delve into the intricate dynamics of the inner critic that Ones frequently experience, highlighting how this internal voice shapes their actions and interactions. Additionally, we examine the manifestations of their striving for perfection, noting the balance between their desire to reform and the acceptance of imperfection in themselves and others. As we engage with various speakers, we endeavor to provide a comprehensive understanding of the One's journey, emphasizing their inherent warmth and altruism beneath the surface of their idealistic aspirations.Human Interview: Micky ScottBey Jones - WebsiteAwareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario Sikora: IG: @mariosikoraTikTok: @mariosikoraWeb: mariosikora.comSubstack: mariosikora.substack.comMaria Jose Munita: IG: @mjmunitaWeb: mjmunita.comPodcasts:Awareness to Action Enneagram in a MovieThe Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino:Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/Christopher Copeland:Web: illuminatingpaths.comNarrative Podcasts:Heart of the EnneagramThe Somatic EnneagramFrom Armor to EaseThe Enneagram InstituteGayle Scott: Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.comMichael Naylor:Web - enneagrammaine.comYou Tube -

Lee Fields joins as Lindsey discusses the realization that she was mistyped as a Type Two. This conversation highlights that identifying an Enneagram type is a lot harder than people think, so mistyping can happen. Initially thinking she was a Type Two, Lindsey shares why she thought she fit into this type and how learning that she's in fact a different type has helped her grow as a person.Lee Fields - EnneagrammaticAwareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario Sikora: IG: @mariosikoraTikTok: @mariosikoraWeb: mariosikora.comSubstack: mariosikora.substack.comMaria Jose Munita: IG: @mjmunitaWeb: mjmunita.comPodcasts:Awareness to Action Enneagram in a MovieThe Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino:Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/Christopher Copeland:Web: illuminatingpaths.comNarrative Podcasts:Heart of the EnneagramThe Somatic EnneagramFrom Armor to EaseThe Enneagram InstituteGayle Scott: Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.comMichael Naylor:Web - enneagrammaine.comYou Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews—Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans—Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership CommunityCo-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey MarksProduction/Editing: Liminal PodcastsFollow us on Instagram: a...

In our discourse on Enneagram Type Nine, we collectively unpack the layers of the Peacemaker's identity, guided by the insights of my fellow speakers. We begin by defining pivotal terms such as 'type', 'strategy', and 'pattern', which serve as foundational concepts for our exploration. The conversation transitions into examining how Nines often embody a facade of peace while grappling with underlying anxieties and fears. This dichotomy is crucial, as it reveals the struggle for authenticity that many Nines face. Each speaker contributes unique perspectives on the Nine's journey of self-discovery, articulating the balance between maintaining external harmony and asserting personal significance. We also reflect on how Nines may inadvertently suppress their own needs to avoid conflict, ultimately leading to feelings of frustration and invisibility. This episode provides a compelling narrative that underscores the importance of self-acceptance and the courage it takes for Nines to assert their voices within a world that often overlooks them.Caryn Berleycarynberley.comEnneagram InvitationsEnneagram Typecast PodcastSomatic Enneagram PodcastAwareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario Sikora: IG: @mariosikoraTikTok: @mariosikoraWeb: mariosikora.comSubstack: mariosikora.substack.comMaria Jose Munita: IG: @mjmunitaWeb: mjmunita.comPodcasts:Awareness to Action Enneagram in a MovieThe Narrative TraditionTerry Saracino:Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/Christopher Copeland:Web: illuminatingpaths.comNarrative Podcasts:Heart of the EnneagramThe Somatic Enneagrama...

This episode delves into the intricate dimensions of the Enneagram Type 8, characterized by its assertive and dynamic nature. We engage in a profound discussion with Mandy Capehart, who shares her personal insights and experiences, illuminating the complexities of navigating grief and power in relation to this type. Mandy, alongside the three esteemed educators from various Enneagram schools, enriches our understanding by articulating how Type 8 individuals embody strength, yet are often misperceived as solely aggressive. Our conversation traverses the nuanced interplay of empathy and directness, revealing how Type 8s can wield their inherent power not merely through control, but through fostering connection and support for others. This episode ultimately serves as an exploration of the transformative potential within Type 8, encouraging listeners to reflect upon their own relationships with power and vulnerability.mandycapehart.comRestorative Grief by Mandy Capehart TYPE 8The Narrative Enneagram - type 8The Enneagram Institute - type8Awareness to Action - type 8CENTERSThe Narrative Enneagram - centersThe Enneagram Institute - centersAwareness To Action - why we don't teach themWINGSThe Enneagram Institute - wingsThe Narrative Enneagram - wingsAwareness to Action - what did you do with the wings?LINESAwareness to Action - neglected & support strategiesThe Narrative Enneagram - stress & securityThe Enneagram Institute -

The core focus of this episode revolves around the intricate dynamics of the instincts, or instinctual biases within the Enneagram framework, specifically addressing the distinctions between the various schools of thought on this subject. We examine the varying perspectives offered by our esteemed teachers, highlighting how these biases or drives can influence behavior and interpersonal relations, while also considering their implications for personal development. As we engage in this multifaceted conversation, we invite listeners to reflect on their own experiences and observations regarding these instinctual drives, as they are essential in shaping our interactions and self-perceptions. Ultimately, we aim to illuminate the complexities and provide clarity on how the instincts can be harnessed for greater self-awareness and growth.Resources:The Narrative Tradition - https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/programs/instincts-subtypes-3/The Enneagram Institute - https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/how-the-enneagram-system-works/#h-the-three-instinctsAwareness to Action - https://awarenesstoaction.com/our-instinctual-biases-three-patterns-of-attention-and-values-and-how-they-shape-the-way-we-work/IEA Pod: Exploring the Instincts & Subtypes pt 1 IEA Pod: Exploring the Instincts & Subtypes pt 2 IEA Pod: Exploring the Instincts & Subtypes pt 3Cognitive Bias Resources - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_biasLogical Fallacies - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies Science Books“Behave” by Robert Sapolsky“Social Chemistry” by Marissa King7 ½ Lessons About the Brain” by Lisa Feldman Barrett“The Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins“Basic Instinct: The Genesis of Behavior” by Mark S. Blumberg“A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century” by Heather Heying and Bret WeinsteinDon't Forget a Huge List of Resources Recommended by Fathoms and Our Teachers!👇 👇 👇 Found HEREAwareness to ActionEnneagram on Demand - Certification ProgramMario...

This podcast episode delves into the rich and complex history of the Enneagram, highlighting its origins and the various schools of thought that have shaped its understanding today. The conversation explores how the Enneagram serves as both a tool for personal growth and a map for navigating human experiences, emphasizing the importance of historical context in shaping contemporary interpretations. Key figures such as Oscar Ichazo, Claudio Naranjo, and the founders of the Riso Hudson Institute are discussed, illustrating their contributions to the Enneagram's development as a personality model. The hosts and guests reflect on the significance of integrating historical narratives with personal experiences, urging listeners to recognize the fluidity and evolving nature of this ancient wisdom. With insights from various experts, this episode encourages a deeper understanding of how historical perspectives inform present practices in the Enneagram community and our daily lives.—ResourcesPodcast Episodes:Milo Rossi & Flint Dibble - Bridges Podcast (The Importance of Accurate History)The Art of the Unknown - Hidden Brain (History is super complex)The Enneagram in the Narrative Tradition - “Spotlights on Helen Palmer”Where Did the Enneagram Come From Pt 1 - Mario SikoraWhere Did the Enneagram Come From Pt 2 - Mario SikoraThe Dawn of the Enneagram with Russ Hudson - Totem PodcastArticles:The Six EnneadsEvagrius Ponticus George GurdjieffSarmoung BrotherhoodOscar IchazoClaudio NaranjoThe origin of the Enneagram - Claudio Naranjo speaks - June 2010Letter to the Transpersonal Community - by Claudio NaranjoHidden in Plain Sight - Helen PalmerMythmaking and the...

Season five of the podcast marks an exciting new chapter as the hosts dive deep into the Enneagram, exploring its nuances through the lens of three primary schools of thought: the Riso Hudson School, the Narrative Enneagram, and the Awareness to Action approach. This season aims to clarify the often-confusing landscape of Enneagram teachings, offering listeners a resource that distinguishes between various interpretations and encourages critical thinking. The hosts, including Creek, Lindsey, and Abram, share personal insights and updates about their lives, emphasizing the importance of curiosity and openness in understanding the complexities of human behavior. Listeners can expect longer, biweekly episodes filled with engaging conversations and opportunities for interaction. With a focus on creating a clear and accessible framework, this season promises to enrich both newcomers and seasoned enthusiasts alike in their Enneagram journey.—Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Work for Unserious Humans—Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership CommunityCo-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey MarksProduction/Editing: Liminal PodcastsFollow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdmThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

Join us January 16th for our biggest season yet! In true Fathoms form, we'll be diving into EVERYTHING Enneagram! This will be the first and only stop for everyone trying to get a taste of all things Enneagram, from the history, types, and the most important growth! You'll get to hear from legendary teachers, from different schools, your fellow nerds of all walks of life and of course, plenty of cackling and practical content from your hosts, Abram, Lindsey and Creek! Check below for links to stay connected and support so the content can reach as many people as possible!Thanks to Christian McClain for his use of his incredible song “Older”Check out his new EP here!—Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Work for Unserious Humans—Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership CommunityCo-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey MarksProduction/Editing: Liminal PodcastsFollow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdmThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

Leslie Flood Hershberger joins the Fathoms podcast to discuss the Enneagram and its profound implications on personal development, particularly in the context of navigating the second half of life. The conversation begins with Leslie reflecting on her own journey with the Enneagram, a tool she originally approached to better understand those around her—her family, students, and colleagues. As she delved deeper into the Enneagram, Leslie discovered that the true work lies not merely in categorizing personalities but in fostering a genuine presence and awareness of oneself. This shift from a superficial understanding of the Enneagram to a more intimate exploration of personal growth marks a significant evolution in her practice. Throughout the episode, Leslie emphasizes the importance of acknowledging the complexities of life transitions, particularly as one ages. She discusses how the second half of life often invites individuals to confront their shadows—the parts of themselves they have repressed or neglected. This process is not just about facing discomfort but also about embracing regrets and recognizing their role as teachers. Leslie draws on her extensive experience, highlighting that the journey is unique for everyone; some may begin their second half of life work in their 30s, while others may not engage with it until much later. The deep emotional and spiritual insights shared by Leslie provide listeners with a framework for understanding their own experiences of growth, loss, and transformation.The episode culminates in a rich discussion about the three centers of intelligence: the head, heart, and body. Leslie proposes a re-evaluation of how these centers are perceived in relation to the Enneagram, suggesting that the body center, often overlooked, is crucial for understanding our instinctual responses. She argues that true emotional connection can only occur when we ground ourselves in our physical sensations and feelings. This perspective not only deepens the understanding of the Enneagram but also serves as a call to action for listeners to integrate these centers into their personal development practices, highlighting the importance of somatic awareness as a gateway to authenticity and presence.Takeaways: Leslie Flood Hershberger emphasizes that the Enneagram serves as a tool for self-discovery and personal growth throughout various life stages. The conversation highlights the importance of integrating emotional awareness into the practice of the Enneagram, especially as one ages. Understanding the distinction between emotional experiences and somatic feelings can enhance personal transformation work. In the second half of life, individuals are often asked to let go of attachments that no longer serve them, leading to deeper self-awareness. Leslie shares insights on how grief and loss profoundly shape one's journey into the second half of life. The podcast underscores that shadow work can be a powerful portal for personal growth and healing, revealing hidden aspects of ourselves. Links referenced in this episode:lesliehershberger.comenneagramshop.comSupport our podcast: • fathomspodcast.com/supportFollow us on Instagram:@fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdmThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

In this episode, we talk to Sandra C. Smith, an Enneagram teacher, about her new book, The Enneagram Map to Your Deeper Self: Living Beyond Your Type.[2:44] Getting to know Sandra through summer-themed questions[8:26] Sandra’s personal journey with the Enneagram[12:19] Sandra’s teachers, their influences on her and how they show up in her book[17:16] Defining type and why is understanding that you’re more than and not just your type is important for your growth[25:37] How Sandra’s strengths show up as she wrote her book[29:19] The dualities of the types[41:39] This yearning to open ourselves to more of what we are[47:21] Prompt for each type to help them reframe and move beyond their own limited perspective[52:24] Why we should buy Sandra’s book and where they can buy itFollow Sandra’s work: Alchemy Works // @sandrasmithalchemyworks // Heart of the Enneagram Podcast // “The Enneagram Map to Your Deeper Self: Living Beyond Your Type”—Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Serious Work for Unserious Humans.”—Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey MarksProduction/Editing: Seth CreekmoreSupport our podcast: https://fathomspodcast.com/supportFollow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdmThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy