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Kia Ora Koutou, and welcome to Lunch on The Way! We're three guys doing theology over lunch, and sometimes we'll do that with others. We talk about church, culture, theology, philosophy, and more, always wanting to be as practical as possible. This is a thinking podcast more than a teaching podcast. We want to warn you, that what's said here is not yet complete, because, like any good conversation, you never want it to end.
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On this episode, Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey discuss what biblical wisdom is and how "the fear of the Lord" might not mean what we think. We disagree, agree, argue, meet in the middle, and much more. 00:00 Introduction 02:01 Answering listener's questions 10:07 Why "the fear of the Lord" and wisdom? 16:26 The OT and wisdom 26:31 How wisdom became incarnational 32:31 From fear to love in Christ 36:11 The tension of Holy-Love 40:11 A definition of wisdom 50:06 You can't live solely by principle...
In this episode, Jonathan Hoskin rejoins Graeme and Joey as they look at the physical world and rediscover a re-enchantment or sacramental nature to the world through visiting Iain McGilChrist's, "The Matter With Things" (2021). They explore how the Western world became flat and secular, who Iain McGilchrist is and what he gets right and wrong about the world and God, how the world is deeply sacramental and what that means, and much more. 00:00 Introduction 02:15 Jonathan is BACK! 06:10 The ...
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Louise Wernich to talk about business strategy and leadership helping churches. Pastors have become increasingly suspicious of business practices distorting the purpose of the church, but Louise addresses how we can go too far in the other direction. Rev. Louise Wernich is an ordained minister in the Methodist Church of South Africa and has recently completed in MBA in New Zealand. She works at Laidlaw College within the post-graduate t...
In this conversation, Joey sits down with Treaty of Waitangi expert and scholar, Dr. Sam Carpenter. They talk about the Treaty of Waitangi history and how early missionaries were pivotal in its construction, translation, and acceptance. They also discuss how the current discourse around the Treaty needs a biblical worldview to be interpreted correctly. Sam teaches into Laidlaw’s Church History courses with a specialist focus on New Zealand religious and political history. He leads Te Rongopa...
In this episode, Graeme and Joey interview Dr. Maja Whitaker about Pentecostalism—the good, great, and not so great. We look at what make Pentecostal churches tick, like their unique take on mission, their need to be culturally relevant, and their obsession with pragmatism and why they have a PR problem. Dr. Maja Whitaker is the Academic Dean at Laidlaw College; she oversees all programme development and delivery and contributes to the development and outworking of College strategy, with a f...
In this episode, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Dr. Sarah Penwarden to discuss why our experience matters for theology and understanding God, why emotions matters, how to integrate experience and faith, how stories help us creating meaning, and why people receive counselling. Sarah Penwarden (Pākehā) has a doctorate in counselling, is a practicing counsellor, supervisor, and an Anglican priest. She teaches in the School of Theology (Laidlaw College) on a part-time basis. Her academic int...
On this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss 4 ways AI will change churches, Christians, and society. They don't predict the future as much as explain how the future might play out as AI in adopted by society and churches and people grapple with what it means to be human. Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington. The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated orga...
This is a rebroadcasted episode because it's worth posting again. This conversation with Dr. Karen Kemp about pastoral leadership, trends, and identity is still relevant, even though it was originally published 2 years ago! It's worth a full listen. Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington. The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
This is a bonus episode that was original recorded in July of 2024 as Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey prepared to lead a discussion in Tauranga on what it means to be fully human and how churches/pastor can help with that. 00:00 Teaser 02:12 Explaining on trip to Tauranga 04:55 Efficient causality vs being human 07:35 Schedule of event and questions to consider 09:30 Why collective wisdom matters 10:45 Importance of group dynamics 12:45 Why theological-provocation matters 16:40 Stories make us hu...
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Ps. Dan Sheed of Central Vineyard Church, Auckland. They discuss prayer as posture and invitation, Dan's book "Drift No More," and Dan's story of entering ministry and planting Central Vineyard. Dan Sheed is the founding co-leader of Central Vineyard Church in Tāmaki Makaurau, Auckland. The son of pastors, he was raised in the Vineyard Church movement, and has been on the journey with Christ as a pastor himself for many years. He planted Cen...
In this episode, Graeme and Joey have a conversation with Sam Burrows about how meaning is back in the West, how the cultural left helped Christianity, the growing influence of the right in politics, what biblical critical theory is, and much more! Makerspace Podcast https://open.spotify.com/show/1DklD6kT4wEWUaF64y8pRh Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington. The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect ...
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss how there are many things we cannot quantifiably measure in the church and that we need to use judgement when consulting numbers. Much of their think is derived from "The Tyranny of Metrics" by Jerry Muller. 00:00 Teaser 02:20 Introduction 4:00 Gen Z Christians are Growing | Bible Society UK 18:10 Political Will is Gone 20:00 The Tyranny of Metrics 24:50 Growth through Proximity to Christ 28:00 Tell Stories not Measure Stories 30:00 What we easil...
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey clarify and elaborate on their conversation with Andrew Root. The conversation delves into the role of Christians in society, emphasizing the importance of identifying oneself as a Christian in various settings. Joey and Graeme discuss the concept of being a "royal priesthood," traversing two worlds, and the need for Christians to be visible and present in their communities. They explore the idea of evangelism as consolation, particularly in moments of de...
In this episode, Graeme and Joey have a brilliant conversation with Dr Andrew Root as they discuss a humanising approach to evangelism, the digital space and discipleship, what the key competency of a pastor should be, growth as modernity's stabiliser, and much more! Andrew Root, PhD (Princeton Theological Seminary) is the Carrie Olson Baalson Professor of Youth and Family Ministry at Luther Seminary. He is most recently the author of Evangelism in an Age of Despair and the six volume Minist...
In this episode of Lunch on The Way, Rev. Frank Ritchie discusses how places and spaces of worship hold our spirituality when we can't muster it up, his various experiences with different religions and expressions of the Christian faith, how and why Holy Communion is so important for the church, why wearing a clerical collar matters for pastors, how the media are open to Christianity, and why irrelevant churches are paradoxically relevant. Frank is an ordained minister in the Wesleyan Method...
Graeme and Joey welcome Louise to the podcast and discuss Louise's journey into ministry and her families immigration to New Zealand from South Africa, the impact of COVID on the South African church and her family, how a call to ministry can't be ignored, Graeme's call into ministry, reflections on pastoring more than 20 decades, how business-church forgets about the people (ironically), and much more. 00:00 Teaser 1:00 Introduction 03:39 Louise's Journey into Ministry, and Family 17:33 COV...
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss Joey's experience at Auckland's new Mormon Temple, how architecture reveals a church's/religion's theology, the craziness of the world, how Canada and US relations is a microcosm of the disruption the world will feel, and much more. Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington. The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated...
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Mark Sayers and discuss what Mark learned about ministry during the Melbourne lockdowns, why embodied ministry matters so much, how proceduralism has blunted the church's mission, how the church needs to be a pillar rather than a platform in the world, how everything is politically changing in the world, transcendence and immanence, what is means to be human, and how the Trump foreign policy will change Australia and New Zealand. Mark Sayer...
In this episode, Joey and Graeme interview AJ Thomas, who is one of the teaching and preaching pastors at Kings Church in New Brunswick, Canada. He also leads the Atlantic Kingdom Alliance which aims to bring together pastors and ministry leader from diverse theological and denominational background for the advancement of the gospel. They discussed his journey from youth ministry to church planting and his current role at King's Church, the importance of preaching as a sacramental act (distin...
In this conversation the guys explores the concept of faith deconstruction and truth, emphasizing the importance of a holistic view of life. Many people deconstruct not Christianity but specific expressions or packaged forms of it, often driven by personal experiences and dissatisfaction with rigid, mechanistic approaches. They highlight the need for a synthesized understanding of truth that includes emotions and relationships, advocating for a more humble and open approach to truth that trus...
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