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Ecommerce Playbook: Numbers, Struggles & Growth

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2020 transformed the world of ecommerce forever.

For the modern DTC brand, the rewards have never been greater. But the waters have also never been choppier, and the way forward has never been more uncertain.

So how do you navigate this dangerous new reality?

No matter how you do it, you’d better not do it alone.

That’s where the Ecommerce Playbook Podcast comes in — join Common Thread Collective’s Taylor Holiday & Richard Gaffin as they bring you guiding insights from across CTC’s portfolio of growing DTC businesses.

Whether you need a clear view on the macro issues affecting the world of ecommerce, or want to reorient your business around groundbreaking new big-picture strategies, Taylor & Richard are here to help answer the tough questions about what it takes to scale — and sustain — an ecommerce business.
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AI is changing how ecommerce brands produce creative. But most brands are using it wrong.They're generating entire ads with AI and wondering why performance drops. Or they're ignoring it entirely and falling behind on volume.In this episode, we break down how to actually use AI in your creative workflow without sacrificing the authenticity that drives results. The brands winning with AI aren't replacing their creative process. They're using AI to scale what already works.What we cover:Why pure AI-generated creative sees CTR drops within 3 weeksWhere AI actually adds value in the creative pipeline (backgrounds, cleanup, iteration)How to maintain authenticity while increasing creative volumeThe production ecosystem that lets you play probability instead of gamblingWhy 3-5% of your ads drive 70-80% of spend and what that means for AIIf you're running Meta ads and trying to figure out where AI fits into your creative strategy, this episode cuts through the hype.Show Notes:Axon is offering $5K ad credit when you spend $5K. Go to https://axon.ai/en/ctc to set up your first campaign.Explore the Prophit Engine Lite: https://meetings.hubspot.com/richard-gaffinThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
Common Thread Collective is now an owner in Commerce Roundtable. In this episode, Taylor with Jimmy Kim, founder of Commerce Roundtable, to tell the full story of how this partnership came together and why in-person events matter more than ever.Jimmy shares the origin story of Commerce Roundtable, from a 50-person CBD roundtable in a San Diego office in 2019 to a community-driven ecommerce event with 350+ curated attendees. Taylor talks about why CTC decided to go from attendee to owner, and what they're building together.What we cover:How Commerce Roundtable started in 2019 and evolved through COVIDWhy most ecommerce events are broken (vendor-first, content-last)The difference between sponsor-driven events and community-driven eventsWhy physical proximity and in-person relationships compound over timeHow CTC and Commerce Roundtable plan to work togetherWhat's coming: Austin (April 20-21), retention road show, San Diego (September)Why brands are willing to pay $400 to be in the roomThe future of ecommerce events and educationIf you're building an ecommerce brand and you want to be in rooms with operators who actually get it, this is why we invested.Commerce Roundtable: https://commerceroundtable.comShow Notes:See how their guarantees work at https://redstag.com/Explore the Prophit Engine: https://commonthreadco.com/pages/prophit-engineThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
Every ecommerce growth team spends the majority of their time answering the same five questions. The problem? Most brands answer them with disconnected tools, siloed teams, and spreadsheets that have nothing to do with the actual marketing levers they can pull.In this episode, Luke breaks down the five questions that account for 80% of your marketing team's work - and how the Prophit Engine answers all five inside a single system:What should my forecast be, and what does each channel need to deliver?What's the optimal spend allocation across channels?How much creative output do I actually need?What's the right full-funnel Meta strategy and daily optimization workflow?Where's the gap vs. forecast, and what specific action closes it today?For each question, Luke walks through how brands typically answer it (disconnected finance forecasts, historical budget splits, gambling on creative volume, manual ad building, weekly business reviews) - and how a unified system replaces all of that with daily clarity.Show Notes:See how their guarantees work at https://redstag.com/Explore the Prophit Engine: https://commonthreadco.com/pages/prophit-engineThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
CTC has never had a service offering for brands below seven figures. That changes today.Prophit Engine Lite is for any Ecommerce brand with established revenue below $1M annually. If you're past the startup phase, running ads, generating sales, and trying to figure out how to grow profitably, this is built for you.In this episode, Richard walks through exactly what PE Lite includes:Step 1: Connect every data source to Statlas.Marketing data, store data, COGS, shipping costs, fixed expenses, promo schedule. Everything in one place. One source of truth.Step 2: Build a custom 12-month forecast model.What happens if business continues as usual? What needs to change to hit your goals? Where are the gaps? The model shows you.Step 3: Growth guidance from a Prophit Engineer.Monthly sessions where your PE guides you through what to do next. What levers to pull. Where to allocate budget. What to stop doing.Plus: Weekly cohort Q&A with Joy Sharma (Head of PE7 Accelerator). Learn alongside other founders in similar positions.Pricing:$1,500 onboarding (data integration + model build)$500/month after (month-to-month, cancel anytime)Show Notes:Axon is offering $5K ad credit when you spend $5K. Go to https://axon.ai/en/ctc to set up your first campaign.Explore the Prophit Engine Lite: https://meetings.hubspot.com/richard-gaffinThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
Most brands are stuck in a cycle: source UGC creators, send product, hope the content is usable, repeat. The hit rate is low, the management is painful, and the content lacks consistency.Adrianne breaks down a different model: a dedicated in-house creator, fully managed by CTC.What this episode covers:Why one dedicated creator outperforms a rotating roster of 50 UGC creatorsHow CTC matches creators to brands based on lifestyle, aesthetic, and audience fitThe three boxes every brand needs checked: high quality, high volume, high diversityHow the same creator face showing up across formats (ASMR, product walkthrough, day-in-the-life, green screen) builds trustReal examples: East Coast apparel brand matched with a creator who lives by the water, and a high-end furniture brand where gifting product is a $10K gambleHow this feeds the PE creative demand model The surround sound strategy: same person, wildly different formatsThe dedicated creator model delivers the authenticity of UGC with the consistency and volume of an in-house team..Show Notes:See how their guarantees work at https://redstag.com/Explore the Prophit Engine: https://commonthreadco.com/pages/prophit-engineThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
Most 7-figure brands are stuck in the same loop. They've outgrown guesswork but can't justify a $15K/month agency retainer. Every dollar has to work, and there's no infrastructure to know if it is.Joy Sharma breaks down how the Prophit Engine system adapts for brands in the 7-figure range.What this episode covers:Why "just use AI" doesn't replace the PE - the difference between general advice and accountability backed by 12 years of dataThe 3 core services: forecasting, strategy, execution - all in one operatorWhy creative strategy lives inside the PE (and why that's controversial)The "ruthlessness of the forecast" - how modeling drives every decisionCreative scoring: why making more ads doesn't help if they all look the same to MetaHow the growth strategist connects creative to the marketing calendar, not just to ROASUnits of growth: marketing calendar, creative, landing pages, offersThe Prophit Engine 7 uses the same methodology, same data models, and same system as the full PE8 - calibrated for the stage your brand is at.The PE doesn't replace your internal team. It gives them the infrastructure they've been missing.Show Notes:Visit https://postscript.io/ to turn your replies into revenue.Explore the Prophit Engine: https://commonthreadco.com/pages/prophit-engineThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
Every brand wants more capacity from their growth team. Most try to solve it by adding people or plugging data into ChatGPT. Neither works.In this episode, Luke breaks down the 3-layer infrastructure behind the Prophit Engine that actually creates capacity:Layer 1: The DatabaseOrder-level, finance, marketing, and cost data aggregated in one place. Living in the context of your targets and forecast, not just historical performance. Informed by a data set across hundreds of brands and billions in GMV.Layer 2: Methodology & ContextThe layer most people skip. Drop a Statlas dashboard screenshot into an LLM with no context and you get useless output. Layer in CTC's hierarchy of metrics, outlier methodology, and 12 years of pattern recognition across the DTC landscape and the output transforms completely.Layer 3: The Tech-Enabled OperatorThe Prophit Engineer sits on top of both layers. Not just a person with a dashboard. A person with aggregated data, informed methodology, and AI tooling that multiplies their capacity to make decisions and execute in real time.This is why one Prophit Engineer outperforms a traditional 4-person growth team. The infrastructure does the heavy lifting. The operator makes the decisions.Show Notes:Axon is offering $5K ad credit when you spend $5K. Go to https://axon.ai/en/ctc to set up your first campaign.Explore the Prophit Engine: https://commonthreadco.com/pages/prophit-engineTheEcommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
Most brands have a media buyer, a strategist, and a creative lead. Everyone's doing their job. Everyone has a dashboard. But when you ask "are we on plan this week?" you get three different answers.In the episode Luke breaks down the three pillars of accountability inside the Prophit Engine:We create the forecast AND execute against it. No handoffs between planning and doing.One person owns the entire workflow. Every lever is at their disposal, from media mix to creative strategy to Meta campaign builds.Skin in the game. Our compensation is tied directly to hitting your contribution margin target.This isn't about adding more people. It's about collapsing the workflow into one operator with the full picture, backed by infrastructure that handleShow Notes:Visit https://postscript.io/ to turn your replies into revenue.Explore the Prophit Engine: https://commonthreadco.com/pages/prophit-engineThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
Most ecommerce brands are making slower, worse decisions than they realize, and it's not because of bad people. It's because of a broken structure.In this episode, Richard sits down with Luke and Tony to break down one of the most important benefits of the Prophit Engine: total clarity. From fragmented data and siloed teams to a single operator with a full end-to-end view of the business, they unpack exactly why consolidation leads to better decisions, faster action, and stronger results.They also walk through a real-world sale that crushed projections, and explain why having three people with three partial views of the same problem is often worse than having one person with the complete picture.In this episode:Why siloed teams lead to degraded decision makingThe 3 layers of clarity the Prophit Engine providesHow a single operator outperformed a multi-person workflow over a live sale weekendWhy your Meta media buyer needs to understand your inventory positionWhat the biggest ecommerce opportunity looks like in 2026The litmus test: How much of your weekly marketing meeting is spent figuring out what's going on — versus actually making decisions to change it?If most of your time is in the first bucket, this episode is for you.Show Notes:Visit Postscript.io to turn your replies into revenue.Explore the Prophit Engine: https://commonthreadco.com/pages/prophit-engineThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
What if one person could replace your entire ecommerce growth team, and get better results? In this episode Richard and Luke break down exactly how the Profit Engine works and why it's changing the way DTC brands scale.Luke walks through the four core functions every ecommerce brand needs — forecasting & target setting, creative strategy, media measurement, and Meta media buying — and explains how one person, enabled by the right tools and data models, can own all four. The result? A leaner, faster, more profitable growth operation.What we cover:What the Profit Engineer role is and why it existsThe 4 data models powering the forecasting system (Spending Power, Retention, Event Effect & Creative Demand)How to build a daily forecast accurate to within 3% of targetHow the Ad Plan determines exactly how much creative you need and who should make itHow Media Mix Modeling (MMM) and geo holdout incrementality testing optimize budget allocation across channelsHow the "Push to Build" feature launches Meta ads in seconds instead of hoursWhy reducing time from insight to action is the real unlock for ecommerce growthEverything you need to understand the Profit Engine system — from the data models to the media buying — is in this episode.Show Notes:Axon is offering $5K ad credit when you spend $5K. Go to https://axon.ai/en/ctc to set up your first campaign.Explore the Prophit Engine: https://commonthreadco.com/pages/prophit-engineThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
Common Thread Collective just launched the Prophit Engine to the public—and in this episode, Richard and Taylor break down what it is, why it exists, and how it helps DTC brands forecast more accurately, grow contribution margin, and simplify their growth stack for less cost. You’ll hear how CTC is combining data + methodology + AI-enabled tooling into a system (and a new “Profit Engineer” role) that replaces complexity with clear expectations and execution.What we coverWhy profit + predictability are harder than ever for DTCWhat the Prophit Engine is and the outcomes it’s built to deliverHow the Profit Engineer role collapses growth strategy, Meta buying, and creative strategy into one operatorWhat brands still own vs. what CTC takes off the plate—and who this works best forIn short: this episode introduces CTC’s Prophit Engine as a tech-enabled operating system for growth—built to replace a fragmented stack of people + tools with one clear forecast, tighter execution, and accountability to contribution margin. If you’re trying to run leaner without sacrificing performance, this is the blueprint for how CTC thinks the next era of agency services will work.Show Notes:Get Dataships' free A/B test: https://www.dataships.io/demoExplore the Prophit Engine: https://commonthreadco.com/pages/prophit-engineThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
The Rise of SEANs

The Rise of SEANs

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In this episode, Richard and Taylor Holiday discuss the rise of the “SEANs” — the Software-Enabled AgeNcy — and why it represents a fundamental shift in how eCommerce brands will build growth teams going forward.Taylor explains how traditional agencies struggle to operationalize institutional knowledge across individuals, leading to inconsistent execution and diffused accountability. The solution? Embedding a clear point of view directly into software, turning ideology into infrastructure. Rather than offering neutral tools like Ads Manager, CTC is building software with an opinion: a system designed to unify marketing and finance around a daily, trackable path to predictable, profitable growth.The conversation explores:Why “software with a point of view” is different from open-ended toolsHow declining SaaS gross margins and rising customer demands for outcomes are collapsing the line between software and servicesWhy agencies are becoming more like software companies — and software companies more like agenciesThe impact of AI on compressing labor costs and increasing individual output expectationsIf you care about the future of growth teams, SaaS economics, and how AI is reshaping both labor and leverage inside eCommerce, this conversation is a must-listen.Show Notes:Get Dataships' free A/B test: https://www.dataships.io/demoExplore the PROPHIT System: http://prophitsystem.comThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podc
Incrementality tests are “in”… but the real problem is what you do after the read.In this episode, Taylor sits down with Olivia Kory (Chief Strategy Officer at Haus) and George Davis (CMO at Cozy Earth) to unpack the messiest part of modern measurement: operationalizing incrementality when results swing, channels conflict, and “platform ROAS” can’t be trusted.If you’ve ever asked:“Our holdout came back way lower than Meta… now what?”“Why don’t test results replicate month-to-month?”“How do I actually use an incrementality factor in real budget decisions?”“If everything is under 1.0 iROAS… should we cut spend or keep investing?”…this one is for you.What we coverWhy incrementality requires a holdout (and why “spend up / spend down” isn’t enough)The replication problem: why results change even with “clean” testsThe gap between measurement and optimization (platforms optimize for attribution, not incrementality)How operators use incrementality factors without letting them become a blunt instrumentWhy channel vs. channel is often the wrong fight (and why profit thresholds matter more)iROAS → IMR (Incremental Marginal Return): a more intuitive way to compare performanceBudget cadence: daily realities vs monthly allocation decisionsLong-term effects, “adstock” claims, and why post-treatment windows matterPractical levers that can improve results: creative, account structure, exclusions, distribution expansion (Amazon/retail)Got a weird incrementality result? Drop it in the comments. We’ll let you know what we’d do next.Read this next: CTC Core Methodology Series: Marketing Measurement - https://bit.ly/4tW2JwFShow Notes:Axon is offering $5K ad credit when you spend $5K. Go to https://axon.ai/en/ctc to set up your first campaign.Explore the PROPHIT System: http://prophitsystem.comThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
Sales tax feels simple—until you hit nexus.In this episode, Ryan Pinkham (VP of Go-to-Market at TaxCloud) breaks down why sales tax gets complex fast for growing ecommerce brands, what happens when you cross nexus thresholds in new states, and how ignoring compliance can turn into a painful (and expensive) distraction.We cover:What sales tax nexus actually means for ecommerceThe three “buckets” of brands (doing nothing, unhappy with current tools, or knowingly delaying)Why sales tax is a year-round operational loadHow modern brands approach checkout tax vs. filing/registrationThe Streamlined Sales Tax (SST) program and why 24 states matterA simple start-of-year checklist to get compliant and reduce riskIf you had a strong Q4 and expanded into new states, this is your sign to do a quick nexus and tooling review..Show Notes:TaxCloud has you covered: https://taxcloud.com/thread/Explore the PROPHIT System: http://prophitsystem.comThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
Acquisition is getting tighter! In this episode, we flip the script and talk about the lever most brands under-invest in: retention + lifecycle marketing.Taylor is joined by Jennifer Peters, Director of DTC, MarTech & Digital Compliance at OLLY (a Unilever brand), to break down how they think about keeping customers coming back when the brand is sold everywhere — from Target and Walmart to their own DTC site.We get into what retention really means beyond “subscription,” how to message customers when you don’t want to channel-shift them, and how OLLY is using loyalty (including receipt scanning) to better understand in-store shoppers.What you’ll learn:How OLLY drives retention across DTC + retailEmail vs SMS strategy, plus segmentation that prevents “list blasting”Using loyalty + receipt scanning to understand in-store shoppersSetting smarter KPIs for promos, launches, and contentWhy they chose Attentive, how they handled ESP migration, and where AI actually helpsThe first retention moves: audit flows, refresh creative, nail the basicsIf you’re running ecommerce for a consumable, CPG, or multi-channel brand, this is a must-watch for building a retention engine that actually scales.Show Notes:See how Attentive helps connect people and the brands they love.: https://bit.ly/4ag8oEJExplore the PROPHIT System: http://prophitsystem.comThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
In this episode, Richard and Luke unpack a pattern they couldn’t ignore after running 224 sales call transcripts through an LLM:The #1 issue mid-market ecommerce brands face isn’t that performance is down… it’s that they don’t know why performance is happening.And when you don’t trust the numbers, you can’t trust the decisions.Luke walks through a painfully familiar weekly business review scenario—multiple agencies, multiple dashboards, multiple “versions of the truth”—where 80% of the meeting is spent trying to figure out what’s actually going on, and almost none of it translates into confident action.What you’ll learn in this episode:Why brands don’t hire help because results are bad—they hire because clarity is missingThe hidden cost of “dashboard chaos” (and why more stakeholders often makes it worse)The 3-step framework to go from confusion → clarity → action:Why incrementality (geo holdouts) is the gold standard when ROAS debates never endHow to sanity-check your “real-time” metrics against your closed P&L (and what variance is acceptable)They also tease what they’ve been building to solve this problem end-to-end: a higher-capacity operator role designed to reduce complexity and speed up decisions—so your team spends less time arguing about numbers and more time changing outcomes.If you’re leading growth at a brand in the $10M–$100M range and your team spends more time debating performance than improving it, this one will hit home.Show Notes:Axon is offering $5K ad credit when you spend $5K. Go to https://axon.ai/en/ctc to set up your first campaign.Explore the PROPHIT System: http://prophitsystem.comThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
Scaling a DTC brand from $1M → $10M isn’t about finding more “hacks,” it’s about focusing on the right growth lever at the right revenue stage.In this episode, Richard and Joy, break down a practical “one move per stage” roadmap for scaling through seven figures into eight.What you’ll learn in this video$1M → $2M: Why creative volume is the unlock (and why the benchmark is ~100 ads/month)$2M → $3M: Build a marketing calendar (one marketing moment per month) to create “reasons to buy” beyond evergreen$3M → $4M: The stage where brands stagnate most: offer market fit + offer testing (and why it’s so industry-dependent)$4M → $5M: Creative again—but at a different level (think 100 ads/week)$5M → $6M: Product development for LTV (front-end vs back-end products, subscription angles, upsell paths)$6M → $7M: When “tactics” finally matter—international expansion, audience expansion, email, CS, and other incremental edges$7M → $8M: Why media buying becomes bespoke (your account structure should reflect what’s working: promos, whitelisting, LP testing, subscription, etc.)$10M+: The real unlock becomes people—why one A-player operator can outperform 10 average hiresThe big takeawayMost brands don’t need more noise—they need ruthless prioritization. The fastest path to $10M is doing the right thing for your stage, deeply, before moving on.Show Notes:See how Attentive helps connect people and the brands they love.: https://bit.ly/4ag8oEJExplore the PROPHIT System: http://prophitsystem.comThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
In this episode, Richard and Luke break down the system we use to help 8-figure ecommerce brands stop guessing and start making confident decisions about budget, creative, and channel investment.They walk through the three core models that answer the questions every operator wrestles with:How much should we actually spend right now?How much creative do we need to support that spend?Which channels should we test next — and why?You’ll learn how to spot when additional ad spend becomes a bad trade, how to plan creative volume around real marketing moments (not vibes), and how to prioritize incrementality testing based on potential revenue impact — not opinion or politics.If your team would answer these questions differently depending on who you ask, this episode is for you.What we cover:How to identify when ad spend stops being efficientThe Spending Power Model and how it sets real budget capsHow creative volume directly affects performance and efficiencyA practical framework for planning moment-based vs evergreen creativeHow to prioritize channel tests using incrementality rangesWhy “waiting for perfect data” is often more dangerous than actingIf you’re running or advising an 8-figure ecommerce brand and want a clearer way to allocate budget, plan creative, and make smarter growth decisions — this episode lays out the playbook.Show Notes:Get Dataships' free A/B test: https://www.dataships.io/demoExplore the PROPHIT System: http://prophitsystem.comThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
AI promised clarity. Instead, it delivered information overload.In this episode, we unpack what happens when AI gives ecommerce teams more data than they can reasonably act on, dashboards multiplying, forecasts diverging, tests contradicting each other, and decisions getting harder instead of easier.Taylor and Andrew talk through:Why AI surfaces problems faster than it solves themHow “more insight” can actually paralyze operatorsThe limits of forecasting, incrementality, and optimization at scaleWhere human judgment still matters, and always willWhat ecommerce leaders should focus on when the data stops agreeingThis isn’t an anti-AI conversation. It’s a reality check.Because the competitive advantage isn’t knowing more, it’s knowing what to ignore, what to trust, and when to act.Show Notes:See how Attentive helps connect people and the brands they love.: https://bit.ly/4ag8oEJExplore the PROPHIT System: http://prophitsystem.comThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
In this episode, Richard and Tony break down what agentic commerce actually is, why Shopify and Google’s Universal Commerce Protocol matters, and how AI-driven shopping is quietly replacing traditional websites, checkout flows, and even ads.Instead of customers clicking through pages, filtering products, and checking out manually, AI agents are beginning to discover products, compare options, negotiate price, and complete purchases on behalf of users. That shift has massive implications for marketers, founders, and operators.You’ll Learn:What agentic commerce really means (beyond the buzzwords)Why product data feeds are becoming the foundation of modern commerceHow Shopify’s agentic checkout connects AI directly to your catalogWhat this means for SEO, paid media, and brand discoveryWhy reviews, social proof, and product structure matter more than everHow platforms like Meta are making everything shoppableWhat marketers should be paying attention to right now to stay aheadThis episode isn’t about hype—it’s about understanding the infrastructure changes shaping the next era of e-commerce and how to prepare before it becomes the default.Show Notes:See how Attentive helps connect people and the brands they love.: https://bit.ly/4ag8oEJExplore the PROPHIT System: http://prophitsystem.comThe Ecommerce Playbook mailbag is open — email us at podcast@commonthreadco.com to ask us any questions you might have
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