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The Appraisers on Purpose Podcast showcases inspiring appraisers and professionals from the industry who are leaders in their field.

How did they get to where they are?
What have they learned along the way?
And what do they do now for their teams, their clients, and the industry?

Your host is real estate investor, seriel entrepreneur, and appraiser Michael Hobbs.
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What if the market isn’t the problem—waiting is?In our latest “Appraisers on Purpose” podcast episode, seasoned appraiser Charles Baker challenges a common belief: success in this profession comes from timing, luck, or waiting for the market to turn.Instead, he argues, the most resilient appraisers do not sit back and hope for better conditions, they create momentum through action. For Charles, growth is not about getting a lucky break. It is about staying visible, building relationships, adapting quickly, and continuing to move forward even when the market feels uncertain.Beyond that, Charles offers a hopeful reminder that opportunity still exists for appraisers who are willing to think differently. Whether it is sharpening your professional identity, embracing new tools without losing your judgment, or taking ownership of your next move, his message is clear: we have more control than we think.For Charles, this is not just mindset advice; it is a practical path to building a stronger, more durable appraisal business in any market.Tune in to this episode of “Appraisers on Purpose” to hear Charles Baker’s encouraging perspective on creating your own opportunities and building a career that does not depend on luck.
Your appraisal skills can take you further than you think.In our latest “Appraisers on Purpose” podcast episode, seasoned valuation expert and entrepreneur Patrick Nessenthaler challenges a limiting belief: appraisal is just a narrow career path.Instead, he argues, the skills appraisers build every day are the very same skills that power success across the wider real estate industry. For Patrick, expertise in valuation, underwriting, and property-level economics is not a ceiling, it’s a launchpad. These capabilities can open doors to leadership, investment, innovation, and entirely new ways of thinking about opportunity.Beyond technical skill, Patrick champions conviction. Rather than waiting for permission to grow, pivot, or build something bigger, he encourages appraisers to recognize the real value of what they already know.For Patrick, this isn’t just an inspiring idea; it’s a hopeful path forward for appraisers who want to expand their impact, future-proof their careers, and think beyond the report.Tune in to this episode of “Appraisers on Purpose” to hear Patrick Nessenthaler’s encouraging perspective on how appraisers can turn their expertise into bigger opportunities in an evolving real estate landscape.Curious where appraisal is heading? Start here: https://www.pahroo.com Connect with Michael Hobbs and follow PahRoo for more conversations like this: LinkedInFacebook Instagram X (Twitter)TikTok
Growth isn’t a geography problem, it’s a systems problem.In our latest “Appraisers on Purpose” podcast episode, appraiser and entrepreneur Anthony Legotti challenges a common assumption: the way to grow is to simply cover more territory.Instead, Anthony argues, growth doesn’t come from expanding your map, it comes from building systems and people that can deliver quality at scale. Licensing in more states is just the surface move. The real advantage is the repeatable process underneath it: clear workflows, consistent review standards, and a team that can execute without everything bottlenecking through the owner.Beyond operations, Anthony shines a spotlight on a hopeful opportunity many appraisers overlook: Main Street. He talks about the steady demand in “Main Street millionaire” properties, smaller multifamily, small retail/office/industrial and related assignments that can be less dependent on lender volatility.For Anthony, this isn’t just a growth tactic; it’s a pathway to building a durable appraisal business, one that’s resilient, scalable, and positioned where real communities keep transacting.If you’re dealing with a complex valuation or want a trusted team in your corner, visit https://www.pahroo.com/ and reach out. We’re here to help.Tune in to this episode of “Appraisers on Purpose” to hear Anthony Legotti’s practical, optimistic approach to building a stronger appraisal business in today’s market.Want more “Appraisers on Purpose” insights?Like the episode, follow PahRoo, and join the conversation here:LinkedIn (Michael Hobbs): https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhobbs/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pah.roo/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pahroo/TikTok: http://tiktok.com/pahrooappraisal/
What if the old appraisal is the real risk?In our latest “Appraisers on Purpose” podcast episode, seasoned appraiser James Dorey challenges a quiet assumption that causes real chaos: the prior appraisal is always the safest reference point.Instead, he argues, the old report can become the most dangerous “comp” in the building. Not because it’s evil, but because it anchors everyone’s expectations before your evidence ever gets a fair shot. James shares how review work exposes this pressure in the real world, and how we can respond with calm, credible support that protects both the assignment and the client’s decision-making.Beyond that, James delivers a hopeful message about longevity in this profession. From building confidence early on to shifting into review work, he shows that adapting doesn’t mean lowering standards, it means designing a career that stays strong through changing markets, workloads, and life itself.For James, this isn’t just about defending your value conclusion; it’s a path to becoming the steady professional others rely on when stakes are high and timelines are tight.Tune in to this episode of “Appraisers on Purpose” to hear James Dorey’s encouraging perspective on writing reports that lead the room not follow it. And if you’re dealing with a complex appraisal scenario (or want a second set of eyes on a tricky situation), visit https://www.pahroo.com/ — we’re here to help.
What if appraisal didn’t have to lead to burnout, but to freedom?In our latest Appraisers on Purpose podcast episode, commercial appraiser and entrepreneur Mitchell Simonson challenges a quiet assumption many appraisers carry: that long hours and constant pressure are just part of the job.Mitchell offers a hopeful alternative. Drawing from decades of experience, he explains how strong systems, intentional training, and business thinking can transform appraisal from an exhausting grind into a sustainable, fulfilling career.Rather than staying confined to traditional lending work, Mitchell shares how expanding into areas like litigation, tax appeal, and portfolio assignments opens the door to higher-level work and greater professional confidence. He also reflects on how thinking like an investor sharpens valuation judgment, even if ownership isn’t the end goal.For Mitchell, this evolution isn’t about working harder. It’s about thinking differently, designing a practice that supports growth, flexibility, and long-term relevance in a changing industry.If you’re navigating complex valuation challenges or looking for trusted appraisal expertise, visit https://www.pahroo.com/ — we’re here to help when clarity matters most.Tune in to this episode of Appraisers on Purpose to hear Mitchell Simonson’s thoughtful, experience-driven perspective on building an appraisal career that actually works for your life, not against it.Like what you’re hearing?Follow PahRoo Appraisal & Consultancy and join the movement of appraisers who think differently:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhobbs/Facebook: @pah.rooInstagram: @pahrooTikTok: @pahrooppraisalX (Twitter): @pahrooChallenge the norms. Lead the industry.
What happens when a young appraiser stops waiting for work and builds it instead?In this episode of Appraisers on Purpose, rising appraiser Luke Motto shares how he turned digital visibility into real opportunity, proving that bold action beats tradition every time.Instead of waiting on AMCs or riding out the market downturn, Luke started creating LinkedIn content, publishing a newsletter, and testing out video. One newsletter post landed him a major client. Suddenly, he was appraising hundreds of homes for institutional investors without sending a single cold email.But that’s just the start.Luke uses AI to streamline his workflow, letting him handle massive appraisal volume solo. Rather than fear tech, he leverages it. Rather than fear obscurity, he builds a brand.Luke’s story is a refreshing reminder that hope in this industry isn’t naïve, it’s strategic. And for appraisers willing to think differently, the path forward is wide open.If you're navigating a complex appraisal scenario and need a reliable expert, we’re here to help: https://www.pahroo.comTune in to hear how Luke Motto is building the next-gen appraisal practice—and why the future favors the bold.Stay inspired. Stay informed.Like, follow, and connect with PahRoo across our social platforms for more stories, insights, and behind-the-scenes moments:https://linkedin.com/in/michaelhobbs/https://facebook.com/pah.roo/https://www.instagram.com/Pahroo/https://www.tiktok.com/@pahrooappraisalhttps://x.com/Pahroo
How a flooded basement, a filing cabinet, and a flashlight led Jo Traut into a thriving appraisal career.In this inspiring episode of “Appraisers on Purpose,” Jo Traut reveals how unexpected chaos and relentless curiosity can lead to a career that truly fits.Jo didn’t come from real estate. She wasn’t looking for appraisal. But after buying a water-logged foreclosure, rebuilding it piece by piece, and becoming obsessed with ROI, she knew there was something more.Her path wasn’t paved, it was patched together with passion, persistence, and a willingness to solve real problems. And when her future mentor’s office was drowning in disorganized chaos, Jo stepped in, organized his entire business, and earned her entry into the field.Today, she’s a respected voice in luxury relocation appraisals, educator, and former chief appraiser.For Jo, success wasn’t about credentials, it was about contribution.And her story is a masterclass in building your niche from the ground up.If you’ve ever felt stuck, uncertain, or curious about new appraisal paths, this episode is your permission to go create your own.Listen now to hear Jo Traut’s refreshing take on how appraisers can thrive with grit, integrity, and a little creative problem-solving.Visit https://www.pahroo.com — we’re here to help.Like what you heard? Follow us on LinkedIn for appraisal insights: https://linkedin.com/in/michaelhobbs/Join our community for updates, episode drops, and behind-the-scenes content on Facebook: https://facebook.com/pah.roo/Watch short clips, reels, and visual highlights from each episode via our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/Pahroo/Short-form videos featuring notable moments and insights from the show through TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pahrooappraisalFollow us for quick insights, episode announcements, and real-time conversations on X (Twitter): https://x.com/Pahroo
He grew a top appraisal firm in three states without a single sales call.In this episode of Appraisers on Purpose, industry veteran Ron Stickelman shares the surprising truth behind his decades-long success in valuation: thriving appraisers don’t work harder, they work smarter.Instead of clinging to outdated solo workflows and competing for the same clients, Ron took a different path, one built on collaboration, systemization, and choosing the right partners. After growing a top 10 privately-owned appraisal firm across three states, Ron didn’t just exit , he gave the company to his team and built something new.His next act? Founding a credit union–focused AMC that became the fastest-growing business unit inside a national firm. For Ron, credit unions aren't just underserved they're the future. And he shows exactly why.Ron’s story is a masterclass in what happens when appraisers stop working alone, focus on workflow efficiency, and align with clients who value long-term relationships.Whether you’re overwhelmed, underpaid, or just unsure how to grow, this episode will give you hope and a blueprint.If you’ve got a complex appraisal problem (or just need help making confident real estate decisions), visit us at https://www.pahroo.com — we’re here to help.============Like what you heard? Follow us on LinkedIn for appraisal insights: https://linkedin.com/in/michaelhobbs/Join our community for updates, episode drops, and behind-the-scenes content on Facebook: https://facebook.com/pah.roo/Watch short clips, reels, and visual highlights from each episode via our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/Pahroo/Short-form videos featuring notable moments and insights from the show through TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pahrooappraisalFollow us for quick insights, episode announcements, and real-time conversations on X (Twitter): https://x.com/Pahroo
In the future of appraising, those who understand data will lead. The rest will fall behind.In this Appraisers on Purpose episode, data pioneer Lee Kennedy offers a rare glimpse behind the curtain of AVMs and why they don’t spell the end of traditional appraisal.Instead, Lee reveals a hopeful future where appraisers aren’t replaced by automation… they’re elevated by it.As the founder of AVMetrics and a former nuclear engineer, Lee has tested over 100 automated valuation models. But his message to appraisers is clear: you are still essential. Why? Because machines can’t recognize condition, quality, or external influences only you can.Lee sees the role of the appraiser evolving into something more powerful: a collateral analyst, someone who blends on-the-ground insight with data fluency to make better, faster, more accurate decisions.He also shares what’s coming next: hybrid models, regulatory shifts, and how young appraisers can find their edge in a digital world.Whether you’re a seasoned pro or just stepping in, Lee’s hopeful take on where we’re headed is a must-hear.If you’re facing complex valuation challenges, we’re here to help at https://www.pahroo.com/=========Like what you heard? Follow us on LinkedIn for appraisal insights: https://linkedin.com/in/michaelhobbs/Join our community for updates, episode drops, and behind-the-scenes content on Facebook: https://facebook.com/pah.roo/Watch short clips, reels, and visual highlights from each episode via our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/Pahroo/Short-form videos featuring notable moments and insights from the show through TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pahrooappraisalFollow us for quick insights, episode announcements, and real-time conversations on X (Twitter): https://x.com/Pahroo
Jim Park isn’t afraid of AI, he’s afraid of what happens if we don’t evolve with it.In this episode of “Appraisers on Purpose,” veteran appraiser and former ASC Executive Director Jim Park shares why the appraisal profession’s future is brighter than many think, if we’re willing to evolve.Jim doesn’t see AI and automation as the enemy. He sees them as a turning point. Appraisers won’t be replaced by machines, they’ll guide them. The job is changing, yes, but the need for trusted human judgment, especially in emotional and high-stakes decisions, is more vital than ever.Looking ahead, Jim champions a bold but hopeful path: appraisers must diversify beyond lending work, embrace technology, and attract a new generation of professionals. He breaks down the regulatory bottlenecks that have held the industry back, and the urgent reforms that could unlock its full potential.For Jim, this isn’t just about keeping up. It’s about future-proofing an industry he’s dedicated his life to.🎧 Tune in to hear Jim Park’s thoughtful take on where we go next and why appraisers still matter.
What do green beans, rewiring a garage, and appraising have in common? For Cody Jetton, they all lead to long-term wealth.In this episode of Appraisers on Purpose, seasoned appraiser and investor Cody Jetton shares his refreshingly practical approach to building wealth, starting with nothing more than a fixer-upper and a mindset shift.Cody didn’t inherit a real estate empire. He started small—buying a house, rewiring the garage himself, and slowly climbing the wealth ladder, one improvement and smart decision at a time.But this episode isn’t just about tools and tiles, it’s about thinking like an investor, even if you’re just getting started. Cody breaks down what he calls the "green bean strategy"—a surprisingly simple metaphor for understanding long-term investing and living below your means.He also offers insight into why appraisers are uniquely positioned to spot undervalued properties, seize overlooked opportunities, and build cash flow on the side, without giving up their day jobs.For Cody, wealth isn’t a jackpot. It’s a craft. A discipline. A way to live with purpose.🎧 Tune in to hear Cody’s thoughtful, encouraging approach to wealth-building—and why the best time to start isn’t someday. It’s now.
𝗪𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗶𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗿𝗮𝗶𝘀𝗮𝗹 𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗲 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗵𝗲𝗹𝗽 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗯𝘂𝗶𝗹𝗱 𝘄𝗲𝗮𝗹𝘁𝗵, 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗷𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝗿𝗲𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝘀? In this episode of Appraisers on Purpose, real estate appraiser and investor Seth Epling, shares how thinking like an investor transformed the way he appraises and how appraising sharpened his investment game. For Seth, becoming an appraiser wasn’t the end goal. It was a launchpad. His approach blends hands-on investing with data-driven valuation strategies, creating a powerful advantage in both worlds. One of his standout tools? The Binder Strategy, a respectful, fact-based way to raise rents with tenant buy-in. It’s a game-changer for any landlord looking to grow income without burning bridges. But Seth’s story isn’t just about tactics, it’s about mindset. From scraping by as a trainee to managing multiple properties and planning his next multifamily acquisition, he offers a hopeful roadmap for appraisers who want more: more control, more income, and more meaning in their work. Tune in to hear how Seth Epling is redefining what it means to be an appraiser and how you can too.
How one appraiser got tired of comps and started chasing cash flow.In this episode of Appraisers on Purpose, Liliya Patton flips the script on what it means to be an appraiser and why staying on the sidelines is no longer an option.After a journey that took her from Wall Street to cold-calling toner contracts, Liliya didn’t just pivot into real estate, she became obsessed with understanding value from the inside out.Now, she’s a multifamily investor, asset manager, and working appraiser and she’s here to make the case that every appraiser should also be an investor.For Liliya, appraisal isn’t just a job, it’s a lens for truth. But it was only when she started buying properties herself that she truly understood how value is created, how equity is built, and why tenant turnover and broken boilers matter more than spreadsheets.This episode is packed with real-world examples, hard-won insights, and a hopeful reminder:"You already have the skills — now it’s time to own the asset."Listen in to hear Liliya’s inspiring story and why she believes appraisers who take the leap into investing won’t just understand value, they’ll build it.Watch more interviews and behind-the-scenes on our YouTube channel Appraisers on PurposeVisit our website at: PahRoo Appraisal & Consultancy
She’s not certified yet, but she’s already using appraisal to build wealth.In this episode of Appraisers on Purpose, we meet Katie Stubblefield, a future appraiser who’s already changing the game.Unlike most, Katie didn’t wait for certification to start building her real estate empire. She’s turned two properties into income-generating machines using co-living, ADUs, and short-term rentals all while staying grounded in values shaped by her nonprofit work.For Katie, appraisal isn’t just a career move. It’s a strategy, a way to align her day job with her long-term vision of financial independence.Her story is a hopeful reminder that you don’t need decades of experience to make real estate work for you. You just need curiosity, courage, and a plan.Tune in to hear how Katie is blending purpose, strategy, and scrappy innovation to build wealth on her own terms and why this mindset could change everything for appraisers ready to think differently.
He didn’t need a license, a loan, or a toolbox—just the right address.In this episode of “Appraisers on Purpose,” Carlos shares how he earned $15,000—without ever doing an appraisal. That first win wasn’t a fluke. It was proof: appraisers already have the knowledge to build wealth. They just need to use it differently.Carlos, who started in the field straight out of high school, walks us through how he turned his appraisal background into a gateway for real estate investing. From flipping homes with partners to managing a seven-unit building in Miami, Carlos shows how thinking like an investor—not just a technician—can transform your entire financial future.His journey is refreshingly honest. He opens up about flops, hard money loans, rough tenants, and one deal that made no profit at all. But through it all, Carlos reveals a hopeful truth:You don’t need to leave appraising to grow wealth—you just need to leverage what you already know.Tune in to hear how Carlos used appraiser insight—not elbow grease—to start generating real equity, without burning out in the fee-for-service grind.
How Tyler Warne Turned Appraisals into Ownership — And Why You Can Too.In this episode of Appraisers on Purpose, Tyler Warne delivers a powerful wake-up call: appraisers shouldn’t just value deals they should own them.Rather than treating appraising as the ceiling, Tyler sees it as a launchpad. With years of entrepreneurial grit and a sharp eye for data, he leveraged his valuation skills to build a thriving commercial real estate portfolio, broker deals, and even buy out a firm.Tyler shares how he stair-stepped out of a staff role, used his appraisal income and relationships to secure equity in projects, and turned one $50K investment into a portfolio worth millions.But this isn’t just about Tyler’s wins.It’s about the path forward for every appraiser willing to look beyond the report to see the relationships, the insights, and the opportunities they’re already sitting on.Tune in to hear how appraisers can shift from behind the scenes to leading the deal and why the richest person at the table should be you.If today’s episode got you thinking differently about what’s possible in real estate, we’d love to help you take the next step.Whether you need a rock-solid appraisal, expert insight, or a trusted partner to guide your property decisions — we’re here for it.Learn more at www.pahroo.com — and let’s build something smart, together.
Two appraisals. One property. $8 million apart.That kind of gap didn’t just raise eyebrows, it helped break the system in 2008.In this episode of Appraisers on Purpose, Ken De Feo pulls back the curtain on the wild inconsistencies in appraisal during the lead-up to the financial crisis and why some of those same risks are still lurking today. Ken has seen it all: subprime chaos, default servicing, asset review, and now, he's helping lead the charge on UAD 3.6, the appraisal modernization project that might actually fix what’s broken.Inside the episode:▪️The $8M value gap that made Ken's team stop in their tracks▪️How appraisal inconsistencies fueled the 2008 collapse▪️Why UAD 3.6 could bring clarity, not more complexity▪️What appraisers need to understand about how their reports are used downstreamIf you think the appraisal report ends when you hit submit, this episode will change that. And if you’ve ever been blamed for a number someone else manipulated you'll feel seen.Listen why Ken believes the best days of this profession are still ahead.
Brent doesn’t chase clients anymore, he outlasted the collapse, and now they chase him.In this episode of “Appraisers on Purpose,” expert appraiser Brent Henry shares how a career he never planned for became a path to leadership, credibility, and legacy in the valuation world.Brought into the profession by family tradition, Brent started by holding the measuring tape, but ended up building appraisals that hold up in court. Today, 90% of his work comes from complex, high-stakes litigation cases.His secret? A relentless focus on building better reports, telling the full story, and never settling for “good enough.”But Brent isn’t just looking back, he’s looking forward. He’s mentoring younger appraisers, offering courtroom exposure, and showing that there’s a future in this business beyond AMC grind and burnout.If you’ve ever wondered whether there’s more to appraisal than chasing forms and fees, this episode will give you a hopeful, powerful roadmap.Tune in to hear Brent Henry’s journey and how appraisers can build meaningful careers that outlast the trends.
Appraisals pay the bills. Vision builds the business.In this episode of Appraisers on Purpose, David Ziccardi shares how an ill-timed investment during the 2008 crash sparked a bigger journey, one that led from doing reports to running a real business.David doesn’t just talk about appraisals—he talks about building a career that scales.From working under four supervisors just to get certified, to growing a 40% non-lender client base and mentoring trainees, his story is packed with lessons for every appraiser who’s feeling stuck.You’ll learn:Why mindset, not just market data, determines your growthHow embracing tech early gave David an edgeWhat every trainee (and trainer) needs to hear about mentorshipThis episode is for appraisers who are ready to shift from surviving to leading, and want to do it with purpose.🎧 Listen now and see what happens when vision drives your valuation business.
Can appraisers shape the future or are they stuck reacting to it? Chris Williams has an answer.In this episode of “Appraisers on Purpose,” tech-savvy appraiser and valuation innovator Chris Williams flips the script on what it means to be an appraiser in today’s world of rapid transformation.Chris doesn’t see AI, MISMO, or modernization as threats. He sees them as building blocks. With a unique background in both appraisal and enterprise IT (Cisco, EMC), Chris brings a refreshing perspective: we can shape the tools—not be replaced by them.He shares how appraisers can thrive by:• Embracing technology as a collaborator, not a competitor• Reclaiming value through direct relationships with lenders• Using their expertise to build tax-free wealth through sweat equity• Blending analytical rigor with creative thinking. Yes, math and art togetherFor Chris, this moment isn’t about survival, it’s about impact. Appraisers aren’t being pushed out. They’re being invited to lead.Tune in to hear Chris Williams’ inspiring roadmap for navigating change, seizing opportunity, and redefining what it means to be indispensable in a modern market.
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