The Credit Edge by Bloomberg Intelligence

Credit-market volatility has widened spreads and made lower-quality private loans look more attractive to investors, according to Invesco. “The opportunity set has broadened quite significantly over the last several quarters,” Scott Baskind, the firm’s global private credit chief investment officer, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Matthew Geudtner in the latest Credit Edge podcast. “Our ability to look for those equity-like returns in a credit instrument is even greater today than it’s been over many years,” Baskind says. They also discuss AI lending, default risks, collateralized loan obligation growth and relative value in Europe.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A borrowing boom among technology companies and governments is upending debt indexes, raising questions about their relevance to investors. “We’re actually starting to think about whether managing versus a benchmark makes a whole heap of sense,” Ross Pamphilon, Impax Asset Management’s fixed income chief investment officer, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Tolu Alamutu in the latest Credit Edge podcast. “You’re going to end up owning a lot of US Treasuries if you’re in the aggregate index and a lot of tech if you’re in the US investment-grade index,” says Pamphilon, who estimates that about 12% of the high-grade market is now AI or AI related. They also discuss climate risk, opportunities in mortgage-backed debt plus the timing and severity of the next credit cycle.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mom-and-pop investors are buying hyperscaler debt after a selloff that has hit bonds with long maturities particularly hard, according to R. Seelaus & Co. “You’re just seeing absolute yields in long Meta paper, or a household name, that retail is starting to find really attractive,” Annie Seelaus, chief executive officer of the broker dealer and asset manager, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Arnold Kakuda in the latest episode of the Credit Edge podcast. “That’s a microcosm of a bigger pocket of demand that’s out there,” says Seelaus, who notes that investors are moving into bonds as stocks become vulnerable to a correction. They also discuss secondary-market liquidity, contagion risks, the asset-backed security boom, private credit turmoil and how to invest in data centers.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

TCW’s $160 billion fixed-income group has slashed credit risk to the lowest in three decades amid valuation and contagion concerns. “Look back over the last 30 years — you would not find a period where we had less exposure to both investment-grade and high-yield bonds as we do today,”Bryan Whalen, the group’s chief investment officer, tells Bloomberg News’James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’sJody Lurie in the latest episode of the Credit Edge podcast. They also discuss the potential for distress in debt rated CCC to spread to other parts of the corporate debt market. “That is the weakest borrower, and they cry uncle first,” says Whalen, referring to CCCs. “Make no mistake about it — your single B borrower is going to feel it next, and then your double B borrowers.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Blackstone is looking to more than double its $40 billion systematic credit business, which uses models to crunch data and build portfolios. “This can and should be a $100 billion business if you look at us compared to other large traditional discretionary fixed-income managers,” Adam Dwinells, Blackstone Credit & Insurance’s head of corporate bond strategies, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Jean-Yves Coupin in this episode of the Credit Edge podcast. He expects systematically managed portfolios to rise to 20%-25% of the market, matching equities, from about 1%-2% in US corporate credit now. “You could certainly see something on that order of magnitude in credit eventually. Maybe not over the next couple of years, but over the next decade,” he adds.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.