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Inside Out with Jim Bennett and Ian Wilks

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The format of Inside Out is simple - Jim Bennett is still on the inside of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and Ian Wilks is on the outside of the Church. Yet both care about the Church and its future, and both want to see constructive dialogue between those who stay and those who leave. Hopefully, all of us can come to a better understanding of the Church and of each other. 

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A Brother's Story

A Brother's Story

2024-05-0901:10:40

In this heart-wrenchingly personal episode, Ian tells the story of his relationship with his brother Paul and the moment that gave him an undeniable witness of God's love and mercy. 
Ian and Jim revisit Elder Ronald E. Poelman's infamous 1984 General Conference talk, which was altered and re-filmed after the fact. The talk serves as a model for how the Church deals with change and highlights the tension between the Church and the Gospel. 
The Church and Suicide

The Church and Suicide

2024-04-2501:01:57

Trigger warning!This episode focuses on the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with regard to suicide. 
Jim Bennett in X-ile

Jim Bennett in X-ile

2024-04-1801:29:511

Ian and Jim discuss the reasons Jim deactivated his Twitter account,  as well as what bad behavior by Latter-day Saints online means for the Church as a whole. 
April 2024 Conference Recap

April 2024 Conference Recap

2024-04-1001:02:14

Ian and Jim review the highlights and lowlights of the latest General Conference and celebrate the long-awaited announcement of a new temple in Scotland. 
Ian and Jim are joined by James Burnham, who shares his faith journey along with two lovely songs, one of which is an original James Burnham composition. 
Ian and Jim speak with Graeme Stocks, who is currently serving as the bishop of the Dewsbury Ward in Yorkshire, England.  
Musket Fire Revisited

Musket Fire Revisited

2024-03-2101:03:17

Ian and Jim discuss BYU's decision to bring Elder Holland's controversial "musket fire" talk out of mothballs and make it the subject of a new course for incoming freshmen. 
Ian and Jim have a wide-ranging conversation with Peter Bleakley, one of the founding members of the Britvengers and a passionate advocate for reform in the Church. 
The Kirtland Temple

The Kirtland Temple

2024-03-0801:07:14

Ian and Jim discuss the sale of the Kirtland Temple and other historical sites and artifacts, and they try to get to the bottom of the century-old question: who is Elias? 
This episode includes an AI-enhanced version of Senator Robert F. Bennett's fireside on The Book of Mormon given on April 10, 2016, three weeks before his death. Ian and Jim discuss the fireside and the impact of The Book of Mormon on the Church and their individual lives. 
Ian and Jim have a conversation with Anthony Miller, a former Church member in a mixed-faith marriage who provided support for Ian during his own faith transition. 
Ian and Jim have a conversation with Roy and Emma Hann, a couple who were stalwarts of the Church in Scotland for most of their lives. They describe their time in the Church and the events in their faith journey that led them and their thirteen children to leave. 
In a rare interview, former Area Authority Seventy Hans Mattson, a man that historian Greg Prince described as "the highest-ranking church official who has gone public with deep concerns" about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, joins Ian and Jim for a provocative discussion about his journey out of the Church. Hans offers candid reflections of his interactions with apostles and other Church leaders, and he describes details of the Church's secretive ritual known as t...
Transgender Baptism

Transgender Baptism

2024-02-0101:06:09

Ian and Jim discuss a recent transgender baptism, as well as other developments that seem to signal greater LGBTQ inclusion in the Church. 
Chelsea Goodrich, an integrative psychotherapist from Hailey, Idaho who was featured by the Associated Press for her compelling and heart-wrenching story of sexual abuse within the Church, returns to Inside Out to tell more of her harrowing story. Only this time, she is joined by her mother, Lorraine Goodrich. 
Ian and Jim discuss the hiring of Aaron Sherinian as the Church's new Managing Director of Church Communications and what that means for the Church's position on LGBTQ rights. 
Ian supervises as Jim goes off on why Donald Trump is a massive trial of his personal faith. 
Irene Gilmour, a former Latter-day Saint from Scotland, joins Ian and Jim to recount her experience in the Church, most notably a service mission she served in Costa Rica that went traumatically awry. 
In their final episode of 2023, Ian and Jim have a groundbreaking conversation with Chelsea Goodrich,  an integrative psychotherapist from Hailey, Idaho who was featured by the Associated Press for her compelling and heart-wrenching story of sexual abuse within the Church. Chelsea shares more details of her story and her own faith journey, focusing on what she calls the "weaponizing of forgiveness."
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