Kratom Sobriety

Episode focused on 7-OH. Dr. Stanciu's credentials: https://geiselmed.dartmouth.edu/faculty/facultydb/view.php/?uid=7021  Article Charlie & Jazz discuss about 7-OH potency in guinea pig intestines: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0024320505008167  FDA document Dr. Stancui refers to: https://www.fda.gov/media/187900/download   News article about 7-OH bust from end of open: https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/breaking-bad-on-steroids-palm-bay-brevard-county-florida-drugs-kratom-7-oh-explosives-bust/    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00  

Melanie (episode 110 from January 2025) returns to celebrate a year off 7-OH (quit date October 27, 2024). She is one of our first guests to discuss getting addicted specifically to 7-hydroxymitragynine products. Melanie also did not have any previous history of disordered substance use prior to this addiction. In follow-up questions after the interview, she texted Charlie the following responses - Melanie: Got up to spending $75 to $100 per day on 7-OH right before quitting. Took three and half days off of work during her detox. Never had withdrawals from mitragynine extract because she never took those daily.  Getting laid-off from work six months after quitting was not related to her 7-OH addiction, though she did temporarily drink a little more to cope the first month she was unemployed.  Several Statement Clarifications & Sources from Episode A. Charlie refers to 7-OH being “13 times more potent than morphine” The often-cited idea that 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-OH) is “~13 times more potent than morphine” comes from receptor-level and animal data, not direct human dose equivalence. It refers to higher potency at the mu-opioid receptor and stronger analgesic effects in preclinical models.  Source: Obeng S. et al. 7-Hydroxymitragynine Is an Active Metabolite of Mitragynine and a Key Mediator of Its Analgesic Effects. ACS Central Science, 2019. https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acscentsci.9b00141 B. Melanie and Charlie talk about 7-OH’s “half-life of 3 hours” Human pharmacokinetic data show that 7-OH has a relatively short half-life (on the order of a few hours, depending on dosing and conditions), so “around three hours” is a reasonable simplification for listeners.  Source: Obeng S. et al. Human Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxymitragynine Pharmacokinetics after Oral Dosing of a Mitragynine-Rich Kratom Extract. Molecules, 2024; 29(5):984. https://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/29/5/984 C. Melanie says “it’s basically like heroin / legal heroin” This reflects Melanie’s personal subjective experience with high-potency 7-OH extract products. While 7-OH acts on opioid receptors and can cause dependence and withdrawal, kratom alkaloids differ from heroin in chemical structure, potency, and overdose profile.  Source: Gorelick DA. Kratom: Substance of Abuse or Therapeutic Plant? Psychiatric Clinics of North America, 2022; 45(3):415–430. https://www.psych.theclinics.com/article/S0193-953X(22)00027-2/fulltext D. Charlie and Melanie discuss “synthetic kratom” Kratom leaves naturally contain mitragynine, and after drying and oxidation, trace amounts of 7-OH. Many 7-OH products contain synthetic or semi-synthetic analogs not found in the plant. These products can be far stronger than traditional kratom powder and carry different risks. Source: Prevete E. et al. A Preliminary Inventory of Kratom (Mitragyna speciosa) Products and Vendors on the Darknet and Cryptomarkets. Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, 2024; 56(4):485–495. https://doi.org/10.1080/02791072.2023.2242361  E. Charlie compares 7-OH as “the cocaine of coca” This analogy is meant to illustrate the difference between a traditional plant product and its purified, concentrated alkaloid such as 7-OH. Coca leaves contain low levels of cocaine alkaloids and have historically been used in relatively mild ways, while cocaine is a chemically isolated, highly potent derivative. By analogy, ultra-potent 7-OH kratom extracts/synthetics are to kratom leaf what cocaine is to coca leaf: a conceptual comparison, not a direct pharmacological equivalence.  Source: Naranjo PL. Social Function of Coca in Pre-Columbian America. Journal of Ethnopharmacology, 1981; 3(2–3):161–172. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0378874181900520   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00  

Charlie introduces Rosa as a new cohost (episode #54 used the alias Sofia). In the interview, Natalie sits down with Stewart, a husband, father of three, and self-employed handyman from Mesa, Arizona, who is celebrating one year of sobriety from kratom. Stewart shares a candid story of how kratom entered his life, how his use escalated, and the impact it had on his health, family, and sense of purpose. He got up to 80 grams per day, tapered down, and used a faith-based 12-step program and help of his family to quit kratom. The online kratom-specific recovery community Stewart and Natalie discuss: Quitting Kratom Support https://kratomquitters.com    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00  

Jacob and Jazz talk about the growing presence of kratom extract products in stores, concerns about their sale, and efforts to offer healthier alternatives. In this week's interview, Jazz chats with Matt to discuss the progress he has made since his appearance on Episode #98. Matt shares new insights from his recovery journey and explains how his QuitKit product has become a valuable resource not only for himself, but also for others seeking support.  Discount Code: KSP-15 for QuitKit Try Quit Kit – Backed by Science, Built for You https://tryquitkit.com/    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00  

Jacob shares holiday sobriety tips in the open. Our guest this week shares the story of her ex-partner Kevin, a talented and magnetic musician whose life was tragically cut short due to kratom toxicity according to death records (no other substances in his system and no pre-existing health conditions at the time of his passing). Through the perspective of his former partner Paloma, the conversation explores the progression of his disordered use, the challenges of withdrawal, the lack of societal awareness, and the emotional toll on loved ones. The episode ultimately calls for empathy, greater awareness, and more responsible regulation, emphasizing that addiction can affect anyone and that hope and support are essential for recovery.   Scientists Identified the Lethal Dose of Mitragynine in Kratom for Mice: https://www.inverse.com/article/51089-can-you-overdose-on-kratom    Kevin's Obituary: https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/legacyremembers/kevin-oliveira-obituary?id=58342246   Vipassana Centers | Vipassana Research Institute: https://www.vridhamma.org/Vipassana-Centers    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00  

In the intro, Lily and Charlie discuss the isolating nature of Kratom addiction and the importance of reaching out to others for support and community. Lily interviews Eric O, who shares his personal journey with kratom addiction and recovery. Eric describes how he first encountered kratom at a kava bar, initially using it socially and later as a way to manage pain and stress. Over time, his use escalated, leading to financial troubles, strained relationships, and significant health issues. With the support of his wife and family, Eric went through the challenges of withdrawal and relapse, ultimately achieving nine months of sobriety at the time of the interview. He emphasizes the importance of support systems, honesty, and avoiding triggers, and hopes his story will help others struggling with similar addictions.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00  

In the intro, Jacob welcomes co-host Natalie (episodes 15 and 132) back to the podcast as they catch up on her life, career as a paramedic, and her perspective on seeing substance use issues in the field. Guest Ali shares her journey from early struggles with alcohol and opiates to years of dependence on kratom and the challenges of withdrawal. She opens up about the turning points that led her to seek help, including loss, motherhood, and finding faith. Finally, she reflects on her 18 months of sobriety, the power of community, and the hope that comes with rebuilding a life free from kratom. Link to the quitting kratom community Ali and Natalie are part of: Support for Kratom Addiction Recovery Meetings and Resources https://kratomquitters.com/   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00    

In the open, Charlie and Nolan talk about the YouTuber interview from a couple weeks ago. In the interview, Katja shares with Lily her story of discovering the kava and kratom bar scene while living in Brooklyn and later witnessing her partner’s descent into kratom addiction. She offers a candid look at how extract products, financial strain, and secrecy turned their lives upside down and how she found stability through Al-Anon and community support. Her reflections give loved ones and those quitting kratom a grounded view of addiction, recovery, and hope.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7     QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com       CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety       https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety       https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety      https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety       https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety   https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social   https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety         CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com       https://kratomsobriety.com        PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424      https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5        https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00     

This week features an interview Katie Herzog, author of the book "Drink Your Way Sober." Please be aware, you cannot use the Sinclair Method with kratom as it will cause precipitated withdrawals. The discussion explores medicated assisted treatment, harm reduction. the disease model for addiction, and a range of other topics. Drink Your Way Sober https://www.drinkyourwaysober.com/    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7     QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com       CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety       https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety       https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety      https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety       https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety   https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social   https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety         CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com       https://kratomsobriety.com        PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424      https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5        https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00     

Nolan interviews Metta Beshay, who posted a video recently named "The Insane World of Kratom & 7-OH" on YouTube.  HEADS UP: This guest talks about recent kratom use and is not actively committed to kratom abstinence but shares a range of insights and information about kratom that many listeners may find interesting and/or helpful. Metta's YouTube channel: https://youtu.be/Pqx_bMGeGwc?si=6X8x6P-9-D3MyApvm   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00    

In the open, Nolan and Lily give tips on tapering. Nolan's quitting kratom book: https://a.co/d/b1cgJUJ   In the interview, David Hudnall, a journalist from the Kansas City Star, discusses his investigative reporting on 7-OH (7-hydroxymitragynine). The discussion covers the rapid rise of 7-OH in the U.S. market, particularly in Kansas City, and how is overtaking traditional kratom products in smoke shops and gas stations. The conversation highlights personal stories of addiction, the aggressive marketing tactics used by companies (such as free samples and loyalty programs), and the blurred lines between kratom and 7-OH in the marketplace.   7-OH and American Shaman - Part One ‘It’s addictive, and it’s everywhere’: KC company’s pills hook users across US” By David Hudnall September 18, 2025  https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article311991573.html     7-OH and American Shaman - Part Two From loans to hemp to smoke-shop opioids, KC businessman pushes legal limits By David Hudnall Updated September 17, 2025  https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article311969568.html     7-OH and American Shaman - Part Three ‘Sinister industry’: Kansas City company behind 7-OH & a growing opioid epidemic By David Hudnall Updated September 18, 2025 https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article311767920.html     Inside The Star How we reported on American Shaman, Vince Sanders & the debate around 7-OH By David Hudnall Updated September 17, 2025 11:08 AM https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/inside-the-star/article312119075.html    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00    

Jacob and Lily talk getting into hobbies during recovery. In the interview, Justine shares her quitting kratom journey. She turned to kratom to manage pain and escalated into a serious health crisis that resulted in a lengthy hospitalization. Justine warns about the dangers of unregulated substances and encourages others to seek help and not try to quit alone.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00    

In this week's interview with Tori, an addiction professional in recovery, the growing presence of kratom in treatment settings is explored. She shares insights on client demographics, withdrawal symptoms, misconceptions about safety, and the importance of harm reduction and education, while also reflecting on her personal recovery journey and commitment to helping others.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00    

Charlie and Jacob speculate about what is in the kava-kratom tonics to make them more addictive for so many people. Lauren shares her journey with Jacob of nearly five years of daily kratom use that escalated from capsules to extracts, ending in secrecy, shame, and worsening depression. With the support of her therapist and doctor, she tapered off and quit on April 10, 2025, and now celebrates five months free, emphasizing mindset, community, and confidence in sober living.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7      QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com        CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety        https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety        https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety       https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety        https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety    https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety          CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com        https://kratomsobriety.com         PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424       https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5         https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00    

Lily's interview with Mckenzie’s followers her journey with kratom, beginning with an initial exposure through wellness marketing and the rapid progression from casual use to daily dependence. After repeated withdrawal attempts, the toll on her mental and physical health was immense, and ultimately finding recovery through a five-week holistic treatment program in Sedona. The discussion also explores her shift in perspective on wellness, authenticity, creativity, and ongoing recovery practices, offering insight and encouragement to others facing similar struggles. Guest's Substack:   Words from Wisdom | Kenzie Wisdom | Substack https://mckenziewisdom.substack.com/    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7  QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com    CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety      https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety     https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety      https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety  https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety      CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com     PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424     https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5      https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00      

Guest host Jazz (episode #41) talks with returning expert Dr. Casey Grover, an addiction medicine physician with both clinical expertise and lived experience of PTSD. Together, they explore the frequent intersection of trauma and addiction, breaking down how adverse childhood experiences, big “T” and little “t” traumas, and even intergenerational stress shape vulnerability to substance use. Dr. Grover discusses diagnostic criteria for PTSD, explains treatment approaches ranging from medications like prazosin and SSRIs to EMDR therapy and stellate ganglion blocks, and weighs in on newer options such as psychedelic-assisted therapy. The conversation also highlights the stigma around mental health in the medical community, the importance of trauma-informed care, and the healing potential of honesty and vulnerability.  Resource links from episode: Grover, Casey MD. Goodbye Emergency Medicine—I Wish I Could Say Thanks for the Memories. Emergency Medicine News 47(2):p 22, March 2025.  DOI: 10.1097/01.EEM.0001108624.36353.82  https://journals.lww.com/em-news/fulltext/2025/03000/goodbye_emergency_medicine_i_wish_i_could_say.14.aspx DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for PTSD: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207191/ Addiction Medicine Made Easy (Dr. Grover’s podcast) https://addictionmedicinemadeeasy.com MDCalc – Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) Calculator https://www.mdcalc.com Last Day Podcast – Episode with Dr. Gabor Maté https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/addiction-17-trauma-with-dr-gabor-mat%C3%A9/id1468896686?i=1000488387968  Book: What Happened to You? (Oprah & Bruce Perry) https://www.oprahdaily.com/what-happened-to-you Book: The Body Keeps the Score (Bessel van der Kolk) https://www.besselvanderkolk.com/resources/the-body-keeps-the-score GeneSight – Pharmacogenomic Testing https://genesight.com Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR Therapy) https://www.emdria.org/about-emdr-therapy Stellate Ganglion Block (SGB) for PTSD – Information https://www.stellateinstitute.com/sgb-for-ptsd   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7  QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com    CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety      https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety     https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety      https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety  https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety      CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com     PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424     https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5      https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00      

Lily & Charlie discuss - Is the last thing you quit the hardest? John, an engineer and outdoor enthusiast, recounts his decade-long struggle with kratom addiction that began as an alternative to pain pills, leading to escalating use (from 120 grams per day in the early 2010s to 7oh isolates in 2025), financial ruin, and the loss of a significant relationship. After multiple failed attempts to quit (including a relapse after 2 years kratom free), he ultimately finds success through a combination of medication, family support and cold plunges, and now shares his story to help others facing similar challenges.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7  QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com    CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety      https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety     https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety      https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety  https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety      CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com     PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424     https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5      https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00      

In the open, Charlie and Nolan discuss the fed's proposed 7OH ban. Jacob talks to interview guest Alyse about her journey from discovering kratom during bodybuilding training to struggling with addiction, multiple relapses, and ultimately seeking recovery through detox, medically assisted treatment, and support systems. While at time of this broadcast, she is kratom free for a couple months now, she is on a wait list to go to 30-day residential rehab to invest in long term abstinence from the green kava-kratom drinks, an addiction that caused her to lose a job and major strains on important relationships. To get in touch with this week's guest: https://www.tiktok.com/@alyse.heun   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7  QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com    CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety      https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety     https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety      https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety  https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety      CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com     PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424     https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5      https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00    

Jacob and Nolan open on how addiction is a lifetime journey thought not a permanent ongoing struggle. In the interview, Jonny became addicted to 7-OH in both liquid and tablet versions, which led to rapid tolerance and severe dependence. He ultimately quit after a car accident by entering a treatment facility, where he used Suboxone to help with withdrawal and later the Sublocade injection as part of his treatment plan, combined with structured recovery housing, community support, and daily routines like yoga and AA meetings. RPT model discussed by Johnny: "Relapse Prevention Therapy" (RPT) based on research by Terence Gorsky: The Dynamics of Relapse: Cunning, Baffling and Predictable – RecoveryView – Behavioral Health Community https://recoveryview.com/article/the-dynamics-of-relapse-cunning-baffling-and-predictable/   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7 QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com   CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety     https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety     https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety    https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety     https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety     CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com     https://kratomsobriety.com    PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424    https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5     https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00   

Lily and Jacob explore the potential of cannabis becoming a substitute or cross addiction to kratom. Ryan talks to Lily about his struggles this past year relapsing on kava-kratom tonics, and escalating to other substances such as alcohol and opiates.  Heads up, this episode's interview includes talk of suicide. Remember to dial 988 to talk get help, or text HOME to 741-741 to reach the Crisis Text Line or www.Crisistextline.org   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7 QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com   CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety     https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety     https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety    https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety     https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety     CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com     https://kratomsobriety.com    PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424    https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5     https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00