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4 Real is a podcast from Dechert LLP exploring the latest trends and developments in commercial real estate finance. Join co-hosts Jon Gaynor and Sam Gilbert every month as they delve into current issues impacting both the legal and business aspects of real estate finance transactions, including lending, securitization and restructuring. Each episode features market commentary and interviews with industry thought leaders, providing listeners with valuable insights and practical advice, plus a little banter along the way.
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How does fund finance fit into leading investment firms’ broader lending strategies? In this edition of Dechert’s 4 Real podcast, hosts Jon Gaynor and Stewart McQueen sit down with Missy Dolski and Jim Dunbar of Värde Partners to discuss the launch of Värde’s new fund finance platform, CRE CLO collapses, areas of distress in real estate, issuance trends, opportunities on the horizon and much more. Plus, Jon and Stewart share the 411 on the recent data center boom. Show Notes The Download on D...
What is driving the uptick in real estate M&A activity? Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor and Sam Gilbert sit down with global finance partner Justin Gdula to discuss the mechanics of real estate-backed M&A transactions, the factors that led to their resurgence, the challenges lenders and borrowers face in navigating these complex deals and the critical elements that ensure successful closings. Plus, Dechert associate John Ludwig-Eagan gives the 411 on the SEC’s EDGAR system revamp comi...
Has a “bullishly measured” commercial real estate outlook for 2025 become “cautiously fatigued”? Dechert 4 Real’s Matt Armstrong, Jon Gaynor, Stewart McQueen and Kate Mylod rank the 5 biggest takeaways from this year’s CREFC Annual Conference in New York, ranging from the vibe shift since January’s conference in Miami, the uncertainty the CRE market is currently processing, repo trends, GSEs using AI to root out mortgage fraud and more. Show Notes CREFC 2025 Annual Conferen...
Looking for a primer on the top-of-mind terms and topics in bankruptcy matters today? Dechert 4 Real has you covered as hosts Jon Gaynor and Kate Mylod sit down with David Herman, partner in Dechert’s financial restructuring group, to highlight his “hot takes”/hot tips on the space, including thoughts on substantive consolidation, automatic stay, prepackaged bankruptcy and more! Plus, Dechert partner Lindsay Trapp gives the 411 on recent developments in blind pool ratings and the hosts reveal...
Recording for the first time in Dechert’s Charlotte office, 4 Real’s Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella Smith invite Trimont Chief of Staff Cindy Barreda and Senior Managing Director Leslie Hayton to the pod to discuss Trimont’s recent acquisition of the Wells Fargo third-party commercial mortgage servicing platform, CRE trends to watch in the current and future economic landscapes and how they’re using AI to streamline their workflows. Plus, London-based Dechert partners John McGrath and Aaron...
Spring is in the air as Dechert 4 Real’s Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert take a fresh look at the world of real estate debt funds with Dechert financial services partner Gerry Brown, discussing market trends, the benefits of evergreen funds vs. closed-end funds, how tokenization will impact this space and much more. Plus, CMBS associate Parker Lacoste joins the show with updates on the SEC’s EDGAR Next program and the Corporate Transparency Act, while Ella invents an all-new sport: “go...
Listen to the top five biggest takeaways from the CREFC annual conference in Miami on our first episode of 2025 with Dechert 4 Real Podcast co-host Jon Gaynor and producers Matt Armstrong, Kate Mylod and Stewart McQueen (who also co-chaired the conference). Get the inside scoop on the overall vibe, insights from keynote speaker Ron Howard, thoughts on increasing back-leverage options in commercial real estate finance and other trends to watch this year! Show Notes Full CREFC Miami 2025 Prog...
Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert sit down with Dechert finance & real estate partner Justin Gdula to discuss the latest trends in data center deals, real estate M&A activity and Canadian CMBS. Plus, Dechert partner Jay Southgate discusses the impact this November’s U.S. presidential election may have on commercial real estate finance, the hosts discuss their pleasant — and not-so-pleasant — experiences at “The Most Magical Place on Earth” and the podcast goe...
What is the current state of commercial mortgage-backed security, or CMBS? Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert invite the managing director and head of North American CMBS ratings activity at Morningstar DBRS, Erin Stafford, to the podcast to break down the current headwinds and opportunities in the CMBS space, from climate change’s impact on CMBS ratings to the industry’s emerging interest in data centers. Plus, Sam gives the 411 on New York City’s Safe Hotels ...
Dechert global finance partner Ani Ravi joins Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert for an informative discussion about the relationship between NAV facilities, subscription lines and repo financing, the evolving nature and implementation of NAV facilities, potential NAV pitfalls and the growing interest in this market segment. Plus, Dechert national security partner Hrishi Hari joins the podcast to discuss recent developments with respect to national security reviews of...
Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert are joined by Barclays Head of CMBS Research Lea Overby to discuss commercial real estate trends we can expect in the second half of 2024, floating rate debt risk, lessons learned from the “Mall Apocalypse” and why “forklift offices” are better than “cave offices.” Plus, Dechert’s Steve Engel shares his thoughts on the Supreme Court’s recent Loper Bright decision. Show Notes Supreme Court Ends Chevron Deference Among Str...
Dechert’s Jon Gaynor, Kate Mylod, Stewart McQueen and Matt Armstrong dive into the biggest conversations coming out of the 2024 CREFC Annual Conference in New York, including return-to-office trends, the “acceptance of reality” in the commercial real estate industry, what’s really happening in those “invitation only” sessions, and keynote speaker Trevor Noah’s poignant thoughts about airplane turbulence. Show Notes THE CRED – Private Credit News and Insights Dechert Co-Chair Mar...
Hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert welcome BMO Capital Markets Managing Director Leah Nivison to discuss recent trends in the agency commercial mortgage-backed securities (CMBS) market, the importance of mentorship in the commercial real estate industry and why you should add petting an elephant to your summer vacation plans. Plus, we talk about Fitch requesting feedback on its proposed SASB C-PACE ratings criteria, the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling on pure omissions, and the most fin...
In this episode of Dechert 4 Real, hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert are joined by partner Lindsay Trapp, who breaks down the intricacies of the structuring and formation of complex credit private funds, rated feeder and parallel funds and collateralized fund obligations (CFOs), including rating considerations and the impact on managers looking to raise insurance capital in the commercial real estate debt space. We also discuss developments on the SEC's evolving climate-related dis...
What impact do high interest rates and appreciating home values have on single-family rentals? In this episode of our 4 Real podcast, our hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella-Marie Smith and Sam Gilbert join Dechert partner Ken Hackman to discuss the popular single-family rental (SFR) asset class and the rise of 'build to rent' properties, while also providing insights into recent CRE CLO delinquencies and an Alabama Federal Court Ruling on the "unconstitutionality" of the Corporate Transparency Act (CTA)....
In our latest episode, hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella-Marie Smith and Sam Gilbert are joined by Dechert partners Laura Swihart and Matthew Fischer to discuss non-performing loan securitizations (NPLs) and the unexpected collateral used in these transactions. We also chat about current issues in the commercial real estate market related to the proposed Basel III Endgame, which could increase regulatory capital charges for banks, and proudly introduce our pets.
In our first episode of 2024, co-host Jon Gaynor and producers Matt Armstrong, Stewart McQueen and Kate Mylod play a round of CREFC Roulette following the Council’s annual January conference in Miami. Topics include overall industry sentiment, interest rate expectations, the future of multifamily, and more.
In this episode of the Dechert 4 Real podcast, hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella-Marie Smith share their predictions on trends and upcoming regulatory changes expected to drive commercial real estate industry developments in 2024. We touch on issues percolating in the market in our 411 segment, as guest John Ludwig-Eagan joins to discuss the latest updates on SEC Rule 192. And, we share our favorite (and festive!) holiday traditions. Show Notes SEC Releases Final Rule 192 Relating to ...
In this episode, co-hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella Smith welcome global finance partner Aparna Sehgal of Dechert’s London office to compare and contrast the CRE market in the UK with that of the U.S. The group also gives updates on the Corporate Transparency Act and the grey list status of the Cayman Islands, and shares their Halloween costumes from this year’s festivities. Show Notes Corporate Transparency Act “Two Months to Midnight for Securitizations: The Corporate Transparency...
In a special episode, co-host Jon Gaynor joins producers Matt Armstrong, Stewart McQueen and Kate Mylod, and special guest partner Gennady Gorel for another round of CREFC Roulette following the Capital Markets Fall Conference in New York. Gennady also digs into the latest trends impacting warehouse financing, and the group shares their favorite fall fun-tivities, minus the pumpkin spice.
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