Vicarious

Alex and Karen chat with musicians Em Postl and Thomas Hoeller about Streams Poetry Project, their music collaboration that transforms poetry through vocals and guitar. They give an in-depth look into the natural evolution of this project over the last 8 years, from the organic formation of the project that began with some improvisation over a book of poetry by Rumi, to their current focus of working with more local poets and getting their songs recorded. They examine their love of stream-of-consciousness style improvisation (which informed the name of the project); how they vibe off of one another; and how using intuition rather than intellectualizing their source material has allowed them to explore and give new life to works that they love. …Follow Em @moonseedherbalsFollow Thomas @thomasjhoellerFollow Streams @streamspoetryprojectCheck out their website www.streamspoetryproject.com…Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Credits: Hosted and produced by Alex Scott & Karen White. Mixing, editing, & cover art by Alex Scott. Supported by Chernoff Music.Music by Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify …Creative Recommendations:Bright Future - Adrianne Lenker (2024)

Alex and Karen talk to musician and composer Taras Luka about his journey with music, that started in the Ukraine and took him to many other parts of the world before his arrival to Canada 1.5 years ago. They chat about his globetrotting experiences and dive into the music philosophies he holds that have allowed him to pursue so many different types of music projects with a vast array of people. Taras gives much insight into the drive and passion he has for music as well as his own creative practices, and explains why the voice of his own unique experience is at the heart of everything he creates. …Follow Taras @taras.lukaListen to his album Part of the JourneyListen to his composition Choral of Freedom, dedicated to all the children affected by the war in Ukraine…Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Credits: Hosted and produced by Alex Scott & Karen White. Mixed by Justin Gorrie. Editing & cover art by Alex Scott. Supported by Chernoff Music.Music by Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify

Alex and Karen talk with Marysia Tyski, the founder of Rish Jewelry, and her apprentice (and fiancé!) Michael Nunweiler to learn all about their business ventures and the art of jewelry making. Alex and Karen get a rundown of the different jewelry-making processes and dive even further into Marysia and Michael’s own processes for creating their beautiful works, from their sources of inspiration to the craftsmanship that goes into every piece. In addition to speaking about the creative side of their work, they get into the nitty-gritty details of running and growing a business, how their work and partnership has grown and evolved over time, and where they see it going from here. They also share their personal tastes in both jewelry and fashion, and discuss the power that can come from wearing the right pieces. …Follow Marysia @rishjewelryFollow Michael @traversmetalGo to rishjewelry.com and traversmetal.com to view and purchase their beautiful wares!…Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Credits: Hosted and produced by Alex Scott & Karen White. Mixed by Justin Gorrie. Editing & cover art by Alex Scott. Supported by Chernoff Music.Music by Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify …Creative Recommendations:Underdressed at the Symphony - Faye Webster (2024)Trouble Pagan Altar

Alex and Karen welcome back Chris Johnson, their first returning interviewee (S1, E5), and his writing partner Carson Rekert to talk about their current collaboration on a horror movie screenplay, as well as their many experiences together as friends, coworkers, and roommates. Chris and Carson get into their collaboration style; their trust in one another; and how they’ve been able to stay invested in the project for 5+ years, even through huge life changes like Carson becoming a father. They also share how their love of music is incorporated into their movie writing, and how even bad movies can serve as inspiration. …Follow Chris @shoreloser… Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Credits: Hosted and produced by Alex Scott & Karen White. Mixed by Justin Gorrie. Editing & cover art by Alex Scott. Supported by Chernoff Music.Music by Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify …Creative Recommendations:Messy - Olivia Dean (2023)Blvd Gardens of East Vancouver20 min Water Element Yoga - Yoga with KassandraLate Night with the Devil (2023)Unsub Book Series

Alex and Karen are joined this week by musician, writer, teacher and certified fashionista (at least in Karen’s mind) Francis Henson! He brings with him a lot of great topics for them to dive into, like the idea of artistic identity as intent rather than content; our connection to music and art in adolescence; and music as a study of humanity. They explore Francis’ globetrotting childhood that began in The Philippines and brought him to Kazakhstan before ending up here in Vancouver, and talk about what effects that had on his understanding of himself and the world around him. And if that wasn’t enough, they also have a very impassioned discussion about fashion and the trends that they love to hate. …Follow Francis @francishenson and his groups @frankieandthejuicebox and @bigfuzzmusiccheck out his website francishenson.com for more info on his music projects. …Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Credits: Hosted and produced by Alex Scott & Karen White. Mixed by Justin Gorrie. Editing & cover art by Alex Scott. Supported by Chernoff Music.Music by Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify …Creative Recommendations:Thinking Fast and Slow - Daniel KahnemanKitchen Confidential - Anthony BourdainAnthony Bourdain : No ReservationsArticles of Interest

Alex and Karen sit down with musicians Sam Dowdell (Emilyn) and Keely Rammage-Scott to talk about their work with The Project Vancity, a music initiative that works toward community building by bringing a variety of musicians in the Vancouver music scene together to create video series, shows, and other creative works. Sam and Keely share how they individually got involved with the project and how it’s evolved since they joined the team, and get into the nitty gritty of what it takes to run a registered non-profit that works with “creative people, not organized people”. They get into so many different aspects of the project, such as the challenges they face working with such a large roster of volunteers; why creating a safe space is at the forefront of the group’s mission; the aspects of the project that are most meaningful for them; and the importance of a vibe check when deciding on who to work with. …Follow Keely Rammage-Scott @keely_leahFollow Sam Dowdell/Emilyn @emilynmakesmusic@samisacoachFollow @theprojectvancity to see what projects and events they’ve got coming up next!…Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Credits: Hosted and produced by Alex Scott & Karen White. Mixed by Justin Gorrie. Editing & cover art by Alex Scott. Supported by Chernoff Music.Music by Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify

Alex and Karen talk to photographer, illustrator, and chef Marshall To about his many artistic mediums and how they all intersect. They talk about his creative process and dive into his life-long journey to discover what he’s passionate about. They also discuss his upbringing as a first-generation Chinese-Canadian, and how his family’s culture and Taoist religion shaped him and his art. Marshall also shares details of his relationship with spirituality and how fate has a way of intervening in his life, many times through involuntary encounters with ghosts. …Follow Marshall on Instagram @marshalljamesto to check out his incredible work. …Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Credits: Hosted and produced by Alex Scott & Karen White. Mixed by Justin Gorrie. Editing & cover art by Alex Scott. Supported by Chernoff Music.Music by Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify …Creative RecommendationsMr. Vampire (1985)Incantation (2022)Kwaidan (1964)Igor Posner Justin MortimerThe Great Canadian Pottery Throwdown

Season 3 is here and the word is: Collaboration! This season will be focusing on the topic of creative collaboration by interviewing not just solo creatives but also creative partners. So, what better creative partners to kick things off with than Alex and Karen themselves? They talk all about their experiences working with each other, from their past music collabs to their current podcast endeavour, and get into the details of how they work together; which roles they gravitate towards; and how their friendship dynamics plays into their professional relationship. They also discuss the importance of collaboration in creative fields, and what topics they are eager to dive into in this season’s interviews. ….Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Credits: Hosted and produced by Alex Scott & Karen White. Mixed by Justin Gorrie. Editing & cover art by Alex Scott. Supported by Chernoff Music.Music by Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify ….Creative Recommendations:Show Your Work - Austin KleonThe Creative Act: A Way of Being - Rick Rubin

It’s the finale! Alex and Karen are joined by friend of the pod Jamie Lee to discuss the season as both creators and listeners. They answer some of the questions they’ve been left with as the season wraps up, like “did we solve the creativity vs creating debate?”, and reflect on their own creative journeys from the beginning of the season to the end. They also tease what’s to come in season three, and reflect on some of their favourite podcast moments to date. …Follow Jamie:Website: jamieleesounds.com Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Edited by Alex Scott & mixed by Will Chernoff. Music and artwork by Alex Scott. Check out Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify

For their last interview of the season, Alex and Karen talk to musician and composer Thad Bailey-Mai, and the topics are plentiful! They learn about Thad’s introduction to music from both his parents, and what it was like learning music at a young age with a dad who is a professional jazz trumpeter. They get into his unique style of composing orchestral pieces;  his other creative outlets; his chronic injury; and the burnout that’s led to his current self-appointed recovery period, discussing why it’s a crucial part of his (and everyone’s!) creative process and the very cool projects that await him on the other side. …Follow Thad @thadd.eus to hear his beautiful work!…Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Edited by Alex Scott & mixed by Will Chernoff. Music and artwork by Alex Scott. Check out Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify …Creative Recommendations:The Liq’wala Colouring Book by Moe Patrick-Barr:Canadian Amazon LinkAustralian Amazon Link10% of proceeds go to language revitalization initiatives. Get your copy today to support this special cause!

Alex and Karen are joined by musician Madelyn Read to talk about the path she is carving for herself as an alt-country artist in the Vancouver music scene. They discuss everything to do with her new album Concrete Country, including the grant-writing process that provided her with a “contractual obligation” to complete the project, as well as the different songwriting processes she implemented for each tune. They also talk about the nuances of friendship; holding space for your emotions and creativity; finding authenticity when making art; and the importance of incorporating whimsy into your everyday life. …Follow Madelyn: @madelynreadListen to Concrete Country and check out her work here…Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Edited by Alex Scott & mixed by Will Chernoff. Music and artwork by Alex Scott. Check out Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify …Creative Recommendations:Bluegrass Tuesdays @theheatley696MadFit dance workout videos

Alex and Karen talk to musician, sewist, arts worker, and all around cool person Kaya Kurz about her life as a multi-faceted artist. Kaya shares her self-described “flukey” journey from music school to her current job working for an arts non-profit, and how her idea to take up sewing as a covid hobby turned into a passion project that has become one of her main forms of artistic expression as well as a tool for both advocacy and community on her Instagram page that chronicles her work. They talk about Kaya’s chronic illness and how that has impacted her creativity, especially in the realm of garment making, and explore many different topics that are connected to the fashion industry, such as fast fashion; anti-fat bias; and the ability or inability to properly express oneself through style. …Follow Kaya:@kaya_sews@the.shorties.music…Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Edited by Alex Scott & mixed by Will Chernoff. Music and artwork by Alex Scott. Check out Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify …Resources:What We Don't Talk About When We Talk About Fat and "You Just Need to Lose Weight" and 19 Other Myths About Fat People by Aubrey Gordonhttps://www.aubreygordon.net/booksFearing The Black Body by Sabrina Stringshttps://www.sabrinastrings.com/booksAnti-Diet by Christie Harrisonhttps://christyharrison.com/booksJust Eat It by Laura Thomas PhDhttps://www.laurathomasphd.co.uk/just-eat-it/

Alex and Karen chat with musician Amanda Sum all about the experience of making her debut album New Age Attitudes, from it’s initial conception all the way to creating a music video that was eventually nominated for a Juno and won the SXSW Music Video Jury Award. They talk about the different messages she tries to convey in her work; the importance of representation; and why you should always be asking yourself “why does this matter?”. Amanda also opens up about the loss of a dear friend and collaborator, and the ways that she’s used creativity to process the complex emotions of grief. …Follow Amanda @amanduhsumYou can find links to all her work here…Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Edited by Alex Scott & mixed by Will Chernoff. Music and artwork by Alex Scott. Check out Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify …Creative Recommendations:-Endings Rarely Are by Natasha D’Agostino on Spotify and Apple Music-Olivia Quan’s discography

Alex and Karen sit down with Daniel Byrne to chat about his life as a creative nomad. They cover a lot of Dan’s life: growing up in Indonesia, his experience in film school, breaking into the music scene and all the jobs he’s had along the way that led him to start Subsocials, a studio that creates sound effects libraries, sample packs, and much more. The three of them explore a lot of interesting tangents about music and the industry, such as the subjectivity of art and the influence that different gender constructs have on music creation. They talk DJing; parenthood; our human connection to sound; and so much more! …Follow Daniel:@okdaniel@subsocialsand check out Subsocial Studios’ website www.subsocials.com…Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Edited by Alex Scott & mixed by Will Chernoff. Music and artwork by Alex Scott. Check out Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify …Creative Recommendations:-How to Do Nothing by Jenny Odell-Lesser Known Monsters of the 21st Century by Kim Fu

Alex and Karen chat with tattoo artist Olivia Harrison (known by her Instagram followers as @fearbear) all about her work and the different skills that go into the job of tattooing, such as finding the creativity within others’ ideas and the emotional labour of working with strangers so intimately. They delve into the journey that led her to start tattooing and talk about the courage and self-confidence it took to get started and to develop her own personal style. They also explore the idea of perfectionism and how it can manifest in different ways, and get into Olivia’s other creative outlets. …Follow Olivia on Instagram @fearbear and check out her website www.oliviaharrisontattoo.com…Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Edited by Alex Scott & mixed by Will Chernoff. Music and artwork by Alex Scott. Check out Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify

Alex and Karen reunite with an old friend from university, Dawn Boudreau, to discuss her life as a musician and music teacher. Dawn gets candid about her experience living an “inverted life”, and what it took to go back to school at age 40 after raising a family. They get into ageism in music; how to keep evolving one’s creativity; and have a lovely chat all about Dawn’s garden and her line of home-grown botanical products. …Follow Dawn here:@dawnbmusic@dawneesgardenand check out her work here, as well as her websites:http://dawnboudreau.com/http://limelightquest.com/…Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Edited by Alex Scott & mixed by Will Chernoff. Music and artwork by Alex Scott. Check out Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify

Alex and Karen talk to Cydney Uffindell-Phillips all about her work as a cheoreographer and movement coach, getting into all the different types of jobs she has had and how her work has evolved, as well as what moving to Canada from the UK has meant for her career. They explore the different roles that movement and body language play in character and creativity development; the technical and psychological aspects of the job; and how we can use movement as a tool for expression in our everyday lives. ...Follow Cydney and her projects: @cydneyup, @arcofmotion, @nooneswatchingTo learn more about her work, check out her websites:www.cydneyuffindellphillips.comhttps://no-oneswatching.com...Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Edited by Alex Scott & mixed by Will Chernoff. Music and artwork by Alex Scott. Check out Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify

We’re back baby! It’s the season 2 premiere, and Alex and Karen are joined by comedy musician Chris Sallis-Lyon to talk all about his debut EP “The Mall-tiverse” (released under the name “Chriaus”) and how his love for comedy has shaped his musicianship. They also talk about his work as a session drummer and explore the role that ego plays in one’s creativity, for better or worse. …Follow Chris: @csallislyon Listen to The Mall-tiverse for free on chriaus.hearnow.com/the-mall-tiverse…Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Edited by Alex Scott & mixed by Will Chernoff. Music and artwork by Alex Scott. Check out Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify

It’s the last episode of season 1! To celebrate, Alex and Karen are joined by their podcast producer Will Chernoff to answer some burning questions from their illustrious guests and the three of them reflect on their experience making the season.Questions answered:Jamie Lee: What was the intention behind creating this pod and choosing guests? Do you feel like you earned what you were hoping for?Alana Yee: What kind of music do you mostly listen to?Kria Wall: How have you discovered a creative balance for yourself? If not, what are you working on/what would you like to work on to find it, if you’re needing more balance? (i.e. rest)Cary Campbell: What is your understanding of limits and limitations in your creative process/practices?Alana: What’s your Chinese zodiac animal? Alana: If you could invite 5 people over for dinner (dead or alive) who would they be?Kria: How does your gender affect your art? Do you think gender takes a role in how/what you create, or is it irrelevant? Alana: What did you want to grow up to be as a child?Kria: Have you tried any new creative endeavours recently, and if so, did you have an expectation for how you’d do? Did it go the way you thought?Chris Johnson: What was your worst instance of writers / creative block and how did you side step it?Alana: What’s your usual process when writing a song/music?Alana: What’s the most weirdest or odd job you’ve ever had to do as an artist? (Including regular jobs not just art related ones)Josh Eastman: I would love to hear how you maintain an excitement around "creative" pursuits, and how your relationship with art and creation has changed and how it's remained the same!...Follow Will:-Instagram: @williamchernoff @vancouverjazzhttps://www.williamchernoff.comhttps://www.rhythmchanges.ca...Check out Julia's ceramics @juliawhiteceramics(Literally made an instagram account and sold her first pieces a week after recording this episode)...Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Edited by Alex Scott & mixed by Will Chernoff. Music and artwork by Alex Scott. Check out Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones |

For the last interview of the season, Alex and Karen chat with musician and drag performer Dust Cwaine - and the topics are plentiful! They explore Dust’s creative evolution, from their start as a musical theatre kid and karaoke enthusiast to their discovery of drag performance and their eventual transition into music. They get into the process of recording their new EP 17 as well as their first full-length album Arcana (2022), and touch on so many important topics along the way. Dust’s thoughtful and intentional approach to their art and life is evident in the way they talk about their creative process, spirituality, self-discovery and evolving sense of identity, and their belief in the importance of mentorship and community. …Follow Dust:Instagram: @unicornriverchildLinktreeCheck out Dust’s new EP 17 (2023) and their album Arcana (2022) …Follow us on instagram @vicarious.pod Have any questions or topics you want to hear us discuss? Email us at thevicariouspod@gmail.com Credits: Edited by Alex Scott & mixed by Will Chernoff. Music and artwork by Alex Scott. Check out Alex’s solo project @lx.tox | Bandcamp | Spotify Check out Karen’s band @realearthtones | Bandcamp | Spotify …Creative Recommendations:Kylie V