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Premier Unbelievable host John Nelson gathers a lively roundtable to ask a timely question: what’s the current state of Christian apologetics—and where should it go next? Scientist and historian of science Sam McKee (University of Reading / Manchester Metropolitan) argues that apologetics often lags decades behind today’s life sciences, too easily dominated by creationist “marketing machines”, and too quick to platform non-experts as authorities.
Joining him are Northern Irish apologist and civil servant Gareth Black, OCCA speaker and war studies postgraduate Sara Stevenson, and US-based YouTuber Mike Jones (Inspiring Philosophy). Together they wrestle with expertise, overreach, and epistemic humility—alongside the promise of friendship, local church discipleship, and better science communication.
Is the “conflict” narrative between science and faith finally fading? And what might a more relational, Bible-shaped apologetics look like in 2026?
0:00 – Apologetics After New Atheism
0:46 – Meet the Panel (Science + Faith)
4:06 – Science Problem in Christian Apologetics
5:12 – Genetics & Biology Revolution (CRISPR, AlphaFold)
7:43 – Creationism vs Science: Why It Hurts Faith
8:33 – Why Students Leave Church (Science vs Faith)
9:44 – Faraday Institute: Elite Christian Scientists
11:10 – Stop Platforming Non-Experts
13:16 – Genesis 1: Literalism vs Context
15:47 – Science vs Religion “War” Myth
18:45 – Social Media Apologetics: Pros & Cons
21:18 – Flat Earth Theology & Conspiracy Drift
28:02 – C.S. Lewis: “Christianity Latent”
31:06 – Apologetics Echo Chamber (Same Arguments)
35:41 – Elite Apologists vs Everyday Christians
39:49 – Christianity Built Civilization (Sociology)
46:40 – Friendship Model Apologetics (Community)
52:54 – Debates, Revival & Future Strategy
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In a world riddled with conflict, where headlines scream of violence and unrest, the age-old question resurfaces: Is war ever justified, or should Christians wholeheartedly embrace pacifism? Join esteemed scholars Nigel Biggar and Stanley Hauerwas as they delve into the moral complexities of war and peace from a Christian perspective in this classic replay episode.
Nigel Biggar, renowned theologian and ethicist, brings his nuanced understanding of just war theory, exploring the conditions under which Christians might find themselves compelled to engage in warfare.
Stanley Hauerwas, also a leading voice in Christian ethics, advocates for a radical alternative: pacifism. Hauerwas challenges listeners to reconsider conventional notions of power and violence, urging a transformative approach rooted in love and nonviolence.
This episode originally aired on: 8 November 2014
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Recorded in Premier’s new London studios, John Nelson welcomes Rod Dreher for a wide-ranging conversation about freedom, faith, and the West’s growing spiritual hunger.
Drawing on his bestselling book Live Not By Lies, Dreher argues that today’s greatest threat is not Orwell-style tyranny but Huxley’s “soft totalitarianism” a culture that trades liberty for comfort, safety, and approval. Together, they explore the cost of discipleship, why suffering still matters (from Solzhenitsyn to Bonhoeffer), and how “therapeutic” Christianity leaves believers unprepared for pressure and loss.
Dreher also reflects on meeting Nick Cave, the search for transcendence, and why many young adults are moving from scepticism to spirituality sometimes via the occult. He concludes by introducing themes from his new book Living in Wonder, calling Christians to recover beauty, liturgy, prayer, and a hopeful (not naïve) vision for the future.
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Malcolm Guite joins Luke Martin for a wide-ranging Unbelievable: The Interview conversation on poetry, faith, and the power of imagination. Known as a poet, priest, and academic (and former chaplain of Girton College, Cambridge), Guite reflects on the writers who shaped him from Augustine to Coleridge, and especially C.S. Lewis and Tolkien. Why does imagination matter for truth, not just feelings? And what happens to a culture when “reason” becomes narrow, utilitarian, and disenchanted? Guite engages the modern hunger for beauty, tradition, and meaning, arguing we don’t need to “re-enchant” the world so much as un-disenchant ourselves. He also shares what he’s writing next: an epic poetic retelling of the Arthurian cycle Galahad and the Grail: Merlin’s Isle (Volume 1), out in March 2026 - a retelling restoring the Christian bedrock of the Arthurian legend and the Holy Grail, inspired by the Inklings.
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Can Christian faith survive a scientific age—or even thrive in it?
Andy Kind explores physics, faith, and meaning with Cambridge philosopher Dr Emily Qureshi-Hurst and scientist Sam McKee.
Drawing on Emily’s new book Decoding the Cosmos, the conversation tackles cosmic fine-tuning, design arguments, the multiverse, the limits of physics, and whether science could ever deliver a true “theory of everything”.
Emily explains why she is an atheist who rejects New Atheism, while Sam reflects on why Christianity remains the most coherent model of reality for him as a scientist. The discussion then moves into deeper territory—time, salvation, incarnation, and even the theological implications of alien life—raising profound questions about human uniqueness, divine action, and cosmic hope.
A thoughtful, warm, and often surprising conversation for anyone curious about science, philosophy, and faith.
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Rewind to this hot debate! What does it mean to be truly human in an age of artificial intelligence, declining religious belief, and rising spiritual hunger?
Oxford mathematician and Christian apologist Professor John Lennox and cognitive scientist Dr John Vervaeke of the University of Toronto explore whether AI threatens or reveals our uniqueness, if meaning can exist without God, and whether spiritual transformation is possible in a post-religious age.
Along the way, they challenge one another on the logos, consciousness, and the enduring power of the Book of Revelation.
Lennox draws from his new book, God, AI and the End of History, to argue for a Christian vision of wisdom and hope.
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Every Christmas we hear the familiar words read in church. Matthew chapter 1, quoting the prophet Isaiah: “The virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel.” But critics argue there’s a serious problem. They say Isaiah wasn’t talking about a virgin at all—and that Matthew misused the prophecy. If that’s true, does it undermine the virgin birth? And does it put the credibility of the first Christmas at risk?
In this classic Unbelievable? discussion, theology lecturer Alistair McKitterick of Moorlands College explains why Matthew’s use of Isaiah is deliberate and theologically grounded, not a mistake. Challenging him is atheist sceptic Robert Stovold, who argues that the nativity story is a later invention by the gospel writers rather than a historical event. Is Christmas built on a mistranslation—or a deeper reading of Scripture?
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In this New Year’s classic edition of Unbelievable? author Jessica Kelly discusses the story behind her book Lord Willing: Wrestling with God’s Role in My Child’s Death. Jessica recounts the gradual onset of symptoms, the shock of an aggressive brain tumour diagnosis in her four-year-old son Henry, and the decision to bring him home with hospice care. She explains why she could not accept “God planned it” clichés, and how viewing God through Jesus—rather than a meticulous blueprint—helped her grieve without blaming God. In the second half, apologist Sarah Foster from the Pfander Centre discusses engaging Muslims in London, the questions young Christians face, and why churches should equip youth to respond with truth and love. A moving, candid conversation about suffering, faith, and witness today.
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Bad theology, great tunes - who cares? We bring you the truth about Christmas carols in this festive bonus from Ask NT Wright Anything, theologian Tom Wright and host Mike Bird take a playful yet thoughtful look at our favourite (and not-so-favourite) Christmas hymns. Many people love singing carols even if they’re unsure what they believe, but are some beloved hymns actually theologically misleading?
Recorded during Advent in London, this conversation explores which carols richly express the biblical meaning of Christmas and which may drift into sentimentality, confusion, or even quiet heresy. From the beauty of O Come All Ye Faithful to the problems lurking in Away in a Manger, Tom explains why words matter and how hymns shape what Christians believe about incarnation, salvation, and the future hope of God’s new creation.
A festive and surprising Christmas treat, rather like Christmas pudding!
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In a replay Christmas special Justin Brierley is joined by priest and physicist Revd Gillian Straine and agnostic astronomer Mark Kidger of the European Space Agency. They discuss the scientific theories for the star of Bethlehem, who the Magi were and how scientists reconcile the miracles of Christmas with science. And… cute kids alert! We hear the Christmas story retold by 6 and 7yr olds.
Towards the end of the show Justin also asks NT Wright whether we can trust the Christmas stories in Matthew and Luke as historical.
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In this live edition of Premier Unbelievable? from Aylesbury High School in the UK, stand-in host Sam McKee moderates a thought-provoking dialogue between:
Caleb Woodbridge – Christian writer, editor and cultural apologist
John Richards – President of Atheism UK
Together they wrestle with questions of meaning, value, morality, evolution, human rights, animal ethics, suffering and religion as comfort. Is “ultimate meaning” even a coherent idea? If morality evolved, can we still say some values are better than others?
This episode asks whether our deepest experiences of love, beauty, justice and purpose are just products of nature, or signposts to a transcendent source of meaning. Can atheism justify calling some values “better” or “more humane”? Does Christian belief offer real contact with ultimate reality, or just a comforting story? If you’re interested in atheism vs Christianity, meaning of life, and where morality comes from, this conversation is for you.
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Lord Nigel Biggar joins Premier Unbelievable? – The Interview host Luke Martin for a wide-ranging conversation on Christianity, politics, and the moral foundations of Western society. A priest in the Church of England, Emeritus Regius Professor of Moral Theology at Oxford, and now a Conservative peer in the House of Lords, Biggar has become one of the UK’s most prominent public intellectuals.
We discuss his controversial work on colonialism and reparations, the rise of cancel culture and threats to academic freedom, and why he believes free speech is essential to a humane civilisation. Biggar also reflects on assisted dying legislation, Christian engagement in politics, the culture wars, and whether the West is facing civilisational decline.
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As Advent approaches, John Nelson hosts Dr Jonny Rowlands (St Mellitus College, UK) and Rabbi Prof Marc Shapiro (University of Scranton, USA) to ask: did Jesus fulfil scriptural prophecy? They explore what ‘fulfilment’ means, challenge checklist claims, and show how Second Temple Judaism held diverse Messianic hopes. Topics include Bethlehem and Micah 5, Isaiah 7:14 (alma vs parthenos), typology versus prediction, Dead Sea Scrolls expectations, and why early Christians said Christ died and rose “according to the Scriptures”. They weigh Dominic Crossan’s “prophecy historicised”, the infancy narratives, temple and apocalyptic texts, and resurrection belief, plus supersessionism, the law, and Advent’s tension of waiting and hope. Thoughtful, Jewish–Christian dialogue that respects scripture’s sanctified human process without dodging hard questions. They discuss Paul, Hebrews, temple veil imagery, empty tomb and appearances, and disagreement on resurrection.
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- The fine-tuning of the Universe: Big Conversation - Episode 4 | Season 3. Many physicists have pointed out the extraordinary ‘fine tuning’ of the physical laws of the universe that have allowed life to develop within the cosmos.
Luke Barnes believes it gives evidence for a designer behind the cosmos, whereas Sabine Hossenfelder disagrees, questioning whether we can even speak of ‘fine tuning’ as a phenomenon.
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Is belief in God rational, or is it something no reasonable person should accept?
In this live Unbelievable? school debate recorded in Sir Henry Floyd Grammar School in Aylesbury, Andy Kind hosts philosopher Dr Joshua Sijuwade (University of Birmingham) and physician-educator Julius Weinberg (Trustee, National Secular Society) for a rigorous and fiery exchange on the sanity of belief.
They tackle some of the biggest questions in philosophy of religion:
What does it mean for a belief to be rational?Can we ever be justified in believing in God?Is fallibilism the only sane epistemic stance?Does suffering make God impossible? Can moral courage, compassion and virtue exist in a world without pain?And what evidence — if any — points to a divine being?From epistemology and Bayesian reasoning to the problem of evil, moral exemplars, consciousness, cosmology, and whether God is even a good explanation, this robust debate will challenge believers and skeptics alike.
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Luke Martin sits down with medieval historian and pastor’s wife Prof Beth Allison Barr (Baylor University) to explore how her research on women in late medieval England reshaped her views on “biblical womanhood”. Beth shares her journey from committed complementarian to outspoken critic, the personal cost of her husband losing his church job over a woman teaching Sunday school, and the backlash that followed her bestselling book The Making of Biblical Womanhood. They discuss Junia, women leaders in the early church, patriarchy and the fall, how to read Ephesians 5, and whether Christian faith can embrace elements of feminism. Beth also unpacks her new book Becoming the Pastor’s Wife and offers a hopeful vision of men and women serving together as full image-bearers of God in the church.
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Christian thinker Joe Boot and Muslim scholar Hafsar debate what Christianity and Islam each teach about the identity of Jesus — from His birth and miracles to the crucifixion, resurrection, and second coming.
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• Jesus in the Qur’an vs the New Testament
• Tawhid and the oneness of God
• The Trinity and divine nature
• Whether Jesus was crucified or taken up to heaven
• Salvation, sin-bearing & judgement
• Shared beliefs — and crucial differences
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Revisiting another classic show from 2021, and asking has the ‘sea of faith’ ebbed for good, and what might replace it—new atheism, ‘woke’ moralism, or a rediscovery of Christianity’s story? Douglas Murray and N.T. Wright discuss identity, myth and meaning in a post-Christian West. Murray, an “uncomfortable agnostic,” values the Christian inheritance yet laments a church that echoes the culture rather than proclaiming forgiveness and hope. Wright argues that the Christian narrative—based in history and centred on Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection—uniquely grounds human dignity, justice and reconciliation, offering more than social activism or abstract ethics. Together they probe truth, myth, miracles, the pandemic’s disorientation, and whether we can still find a story to live by. Thoughtful and generous, this classic exchange invites believers and sceptics alike to reconsider the well from which our civilisation drinks.
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Can a Christian ever support war? In this episode, host Dr. John Nelson brings together pastor and peace advocate Brian Zahnd (A Farewell to Mars) and theologian Andrew Hronich (Once Loved, Always Loved) for a challenging and profound conversation about pacifism, just war theory, and Christian discipleship in a world at war.
From the Sermon on the Mount to the streets of Gaza, this debate probes the ethics of violence, the witness of the early church, and whether Christian love can ever include lethal force. Thought-provoking, compassionate, and deeply rooted in biblical and historical theology.
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In this intimate and wide-ranging conversation, Kathy Keller speaks with Luke Martin about life, faith, and the theological vision she shared with her late husband, Tim Keller. Kathy revisits her teenage correspondence with C.S. Lewis, the formative influences that shaped Tim’s preaching, and why “contextualisation” has been so widely misunderstood. She introduces Tim’s new posthumous book, What Is Wrong with the World?, drawn from long-forgotten sermon manuscripts exploring the many disguises of sin.
Kathy reflects movingly on grief, idolatry, the hope of the gospel, and why, as she puts it, “you were built to run on God.” She also explains why the idea of sin has become “the last taboo” in today’s culture — and why rediscovering it is essential for understanding ourselves and our world.
A thoughtful and heartfelt conversation with the person who knew Tim Keller best.
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Islam, Judaism, and most Christians miss the point that Christ is the Logos, which is inadequately translated as the "Word". Anyone willing to investigate the meaning and concept of Logos incarnate will come to see Jesus as the one and only Lord and Saviour.
I found this somewhat boring. I don't know if it was the guests, the fact that it has a format for radio, the host, or a combination.
Absolutely awesome discussion. I must highlight David's statement: "I did not become celibate because I'm gay, but because Jesus is worthy". Wow!
bizarrely, it looks like this podcast has been hijacked by a short story podcast also called 'unbelievable'
There is nothing more annoying than listening to an "atheist"... they all come across as petulant children with daddy issues.
What a diverse panel! /s This show has seriously lost the original appeal of having opposing viewpoints. Of course - the Bible condones slavery. And, the morality of the Bible is subjective and relative. Twist all the pretzels you want.
Great... Christians can even agree on hell, and atheists are constantly threatened with it. It never stops amazing me how believers claim to have to the truth about a god, life, the universe, afterlife, and so on - but they don't even agree within themselves. It reminds me of being a Christian in the 90s when there were Christian bookstores all around. There would only be a couple rows of Bibles (in multiple translations), and dozens of rows of other books trying to explain the Bibles.
Listening to this in 2024, with the benefit of hindsight, is amazing. Note the section from ±50:00–62:00. Andrea mentions, near the end, how the religious right's alliance with Trump had not had much fruit, with Roe v Wade as an example. We all know how that turned out, and I would love to hear what she thinks about that. Having said that, I absolutely think Andy Flanagan and Andrea are on the money with their concerns about the price we pay for such alliances. John's response misses the point.
great episode
a hill of beans
what about the millions of people born with an unclear gender or mixed gender (xxy, hormonal disbalance and others)
Typical theists skipping over awkward questions about the embarrassing parts of the bible such as slavery being endorsed. Theists only ever cherry pick the nice parts. The Bible is a vulgar book of fables that endorses genocide, misogyny, homophobia, slavery, racism and child abuse
do you have catholics on?
Thank you! I would love to hear a discussion about covenant theology vs dispensationalism. This one touches on it, but doesn't focus on it.
This was really helpful, thank you! As a "reformed" Christian, I really wanted to understand arguments from the other side.
this was ridiculous and best summed with "I don't know know what your are talking about....but it's not science"
I am sick of these stupid race debates. it doesn't matter what skin colour Jesus is. He is the Lord. the devil is using the race issues to defend us more and we keep letting it happen. Just stop it. Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
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I loved this discussion, but it seems to have had an issue in the middle where the audio starts to replay an earlier segment.
I cannot accept that "cancer" wasn't in the design, that it was brought into us by Adam's sin. I find that atrocious to think god is punishing random people with disease because of of something that is written in the bible. I wonder if god is the reason for Covid.....just ridiculous. It's biology, and biology has been existing before us, before our brain thought if the idea of what biology was. It's just crazy to think god created biological cells that harm humans because man supposedly sin. Which isn't even provable.