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The finest interview/discussion show on music and musicians that mean a whole hell of a lot to certain people. Why we do what we do?, Rocker ennui, amusing anecdotes, process and context
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Ronnie is/was 1/3 of the mighty Muffs! He’s a raconteur of the highest order and has had an incredible career in music with the amazing Kim Shattuck (R.I.P.). Listen in on the tales of an incredible rock and roll career, from a surprise hit song in the movie Clueless as well as a detailed accounting of the final Muffs record. Which was completed during Kim’s two year battle with ALS.
Hello, friends, and thank you for joining Conan and Josh for another episode of Protonic Reversal! Today’s guest is Darren Jackson of Kid Dakota, whose album So Pretty is about to get its first vinyl issue. We discuss that, and:
-mp3.com
-the So Pretty cover art
-a Low connection
-Shifting production ideas
-Spy mission band recruitment
-Precise music
-Lack of overdub ideas
-WWTTD?
-minimalism
-Selling the story instead of the music
-How the image fills in the vacuum
-Post-tragic euphoria
-Assessing the Kid Dakota discography
-The lasting popularity of a landmark early record
-Leaving room in the song for the listener
-Recording the new album
-and the next one upcoming!
-When your best album doesn’t catch on
-Getting burned out, recharging and focusing
-Craft pedals
-An unexpected soundtrack opportunity
-Vietnamese bootleg website
BBGun, the zine. The endless allure of Bad Moon Rising by Sonic Youth, Pussy Galore and the not so hi-fi recording of Exile in Main Street. Jon Spencer, Hit-makers and otherwise. Lydia Lunch Retrovirus origin story. Wolfmanhattan Project, and working with Mick Collins and Kid Congo Powers, the Chrome Cranks! Bewitched! and so very much more. It is a long overdue return for Mr. Bob Bert. Who haven't been on for a full episode for 5 years. Yikes!
RACK is the new album by the Jesus Lizard. A real treat for us all, it sounds like what you hope it would sound like as well as pushing a bit forward as well. Also, the Jesus Lizard is playing! A lot. A lot of touring even. We speak about that, as well as guitar technique, songwriting, coming to a familiar and well regarded relentless live entity as one ages, and trying to stay true to your own compass. Great tidbits for songwriters and performers, as well as getting really in-depth on all of this NEW Jesus Lizard!
Dale Crover! One of rock's greatest drummers (Conan would know!), also is a great guitarist and songwriter and the Dale Crover Band has a new one called Glossolalia. We do a thorough track-by-track analysis of that excellent record, as well as talk about Tarantula Heart by Melvins, playing with Redd Kross on their recent tour and playing acoustic (!) as well as DJing before those sets. Matt Cameron and his recent ep. Plan D interludes and setlist choices and lots, lots more. West coast folks! Go see the shows people!
Alain Johannes is back, for a full episode. Which is crazy, as it has been four years since the last one. He's just completed a bunch of touring with bands he recorded acting as his backing band all all around the world. So how has recording music changed for Alain over the years? Let's find out together. Lots of great stories about Mark Lanegan and the creative process with him, Desert Sessions, PJ Harvey, Mick Harvey, Queens of the Stone Age. Jamming with John Paul Jones and Them Crooked Vultures. How and why Eleven ended up being the kind of "true heads know" band that it was, upcoming solo shows and the wellspring that is the art of creation.
Upright Forms are a great band from Minneapolis, with a great new record called Blurred Wires. Nick has been on before a couple years back, but this is the first Upright Forms full length, Let's hear all about the band's origin story, why the "notes app" is so important. What is and isn't secret prog and lots more. All of that plus a DETAILED song by song breakdown of Blurred Wires.
A great conversation going from the early days of DC Punk Rock, to right now. The gestation of Rollins Band, starting with Hot Animal Machine and all the way to Come In and Burn. Low Self-Opinion and the unlikely single of Liar. Solo records and working in the modern environment as a musician. The story of playing with Jah Wobble of PiL, and the incredible story of meeting and working with Reeves Gabrels, being on a David Bowie song (of sorts), and the Bowie tour that never was. All that and lots more!
.jpg "Ep393: Spencer Hazard (Full of Hell, Eye Flys, Reaper's Gong)")
Full of Hell has been releasing high quality and uncompromising heavy music for almost 15 years and there is a new one called Coagulated Bliss! We talk about that, as well as Spencer's decision to step back from touring, even as Full of Hell continues to work on the road with a new live member. Collaborations with Merzbow and The Body, Riley Stearns and the Art of the Defense. Eye Flys and Repear's Gong, Van thefts, quarantine projects and making music in a town that has less than 10,000 people when people aren't there on Vacation. It's the pride of Ocean City!
.jpg "Ep392: Steve Bartek (Oingo Boingo, Baring All, Conductor)")
Steve has a new record with Ira Ingber Baring All - There Goes My Compass. Ira is an accomplished player as well, having played with Bob Dylan, the Mothers of Invention and Captain Beefheart amongst others. He also played that awesome slide guitar on the Midnight Run soundtrack. We speak of that as well as tales of Sam Raimi, Jon Brien (Lady Bird soundtrack, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind, etc.). Lots about the Oingo Boingo Farewell concert, live album and video . Bear McCreary. The interesting tale of Former Members of Oingo Boingo. Possibly the only tribute but that features members of the band being paid tribute to? Anyway, it's another long deep dive into the world of the amazing Steve Bartek. Guitarist, Conductor and Danny Elfman's right hand man/
Deep Tunnel Project is a chicago band! Featuring, two members of Tar, one from Silkworm and one from The Bomb it is a unique pairing creating new music and new sounds. 3/4 of them, all returning guests respectively, come on Protonic to talk in-depth about this great new record, the mindset and origin of the band and lots more!
The Red Scare is back! No, not the podcast, the legendary late 90s/early 00s' Knoxville hardcore band. Kip (Panthers, Cloudland Canyon) and Matt (New Brutalism, Manhandle, Obstructures) join Conan to talk all about the new retrospective/reissue Smoky Mountain High. A track by track breakdown, as well as a hilarious recounting of touring, songwriting, relearning songs from 20+ years ago and so much more. Genuinely hilarious!
Protonic is back! First show since the 10 year anniversary episode. Let's go! This episode is Jake Smith of heavy band Eye Flys, who have a great new heavy rock record. (self-titled!) It's a song by song of that record, as well as hearing about how they ended up on Thrill Jockey... the THRILL of having the dude from Full of Hell in the band for a good amount of time and many other stories of enjoying making records and touring while making heavy music. I mean, they are named after a Melvins song, what did you think it was gonna sound like? Let's do it!
Part 3, of Steve Albini remembered and one of my favorite times he has been on, this is the episode where he first talks about not being held to account for the name of the band Rapeman, before any other medium. We also talk about Seth and Jordan Minnesota and other controversial Big Black things as Dave Riley had recently passed. One of my favorites of this entire show, frankly.
For the 150th episode, one of our favorite guests is back, the unmistakable and always interesting Mr. Steve Albini.
-Making ends meet in the age of quarantine.
-The American Health Care system
-The slow escalation of risk with a midwest Shellac tour
-Playing new songs live, 1/3 of the set is unreleased stuff.
-Live experience vs. vegas stage show (the art of surprise and stage expectations)
-Billiard Player Song and live evolution of songs
-Cheap Trick vs. the Ex
-Do the internal meanings of the songs change.
-Scrappers
-Old songs
-Accountability for song content/flawed thinking
-Culpability v/ doubling down on dickery.
-Jokes vs. just being a jerk (comedians)
-Chappelle
-Big Black art aesthetic (it was cheaper!)
-Big Black: Jordan, Minnesota
-Big Black: Seth (his DOG hated black people…)(race in America and privilege)
-The Mentors
-The name of the band Rapeman
-Rapeman: “I have not been held to account”
-Blitz tattoos.
-Dave Riley of Big Black remembered
-The Girl on the Third Floor soundtrack (with Tim Midget and Helen Money)
-The End of Radio Peel sessions
Ep021: RIP Steve Albini Part 1 (Shellac, Big Black, Engineer) from 2015
We speak with the one and only Steve Albini, pretty cool. Drive Like Jehu show recap and a whole lotta great talkin' get into it.
Radio stations and ambient noise, Hearing the character of the neighborhood in the show, being a punk rock guru and answering questions, John Grabski III and the story of Teeth: a man with cancer who made the record he always wanted to make. That just so happened to be about his fight with cancer, the second Teeth record, The self policing PRF (Electrical Audio Forum), service industry, Spotify/Sleepify, pay to stream models, instant availability and constant present tense, the democratization of distribution, the statistical unlikeliness of a good band from Florida, finding an audience post-mortem, "classic DATs", a typical Steve Albini day. work, sleep, wife and a few indulgences. longevity vs. productivity, DUDE INCREDIBLE, if the process is so slow, why not put out singles?, The people's microphone, the song and concept. Surveyors. working knowledge of the land. The End of Radio - explained, perspective and evolution, younger generations, retrospection, etc. Nina Nastasia, listener fatigue from engineering, Cigar Aficionado and Guitar Aficionado magazines, heated walkways, Don't quit.
RIP Gary Floyd
Punk rock legend Gary Floyd of the legendary DICKS enters the lair of the Protonic Reversal! We talk about HATE THE POLICE, how it has sadly aged pretty well and is quite possibly one of the greatest debut singles of any punk rock band. The origin of the band in Texas (name and flyers first), and subsequently moving to San Francisco. Being an out queer punk rock front person in the days of punk rock and early hardcore. Visual art and health issues. Biscuit from Big Boys and the common cause with Dicks. David Yow and Wheelchair Epidemic (and the dildos), a surprise Butthole Surfers song title homage, Sister Double Happiness! Touring with Nirvana and Soundgarden. Oh yeah, and taking off two years to... live in a monastery? Black Kali Ma, reunion tours, San Francisco related minutia, and lots, lots more.
13 (!) new interviews, about 10 minutes each to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the podcast. Wow!
1. Duane Denison (The Jesus Lizard, Tomahawk, DK3) (Ep158, Ep94)
2. Coady Willis - (High on Fire, Melvins, Big Business, Murder City Devils) (Ep132)
3. Marnie Stern - (Ep361)
4. Steve Albini - (Shellac, Big Black, Electrical Audio Studio) (Ep185, Ep150, Ep127, Ep21)
5. Andrew “Falco” Falkous - (mclusky, Future of the Left) {Ep371, Ep241, Ep157, Ep116, Ep100, Ep89, Ep63, Ep14, Ep04)
6. Bob Bert (Sonic Youth, Pussy Galore, Jon Spencer & the HITmakers, Lydia Lunch RetroVirus, Wolfmanhattan project) (Ep128)
7. David Pajo - (Slint, Gang of Four, Papa M, Zwan, Household Gods, Tortoise, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Interpol, Dead Child, Stereolab)(Ep190)
8. Alain Johannes - (Eleven, Queens of the Stone Age, Desert Sessions, PJ Harvey, Producer) (Ep196)
9. John Schmersal (Brainiac, Enon, Vertical Scratchers, Crooks on Tape), (Ep311, Ep136)
10. Mike Morasky (Steel Pole Bath Tub, Milk Cult, Cassette Prophet) (Ep349, Ep329, Ep162)
11. Dale Crover (Melvins, Redd Kross, Dale Crover Band, Conan Neutron & the Secret Friends, Nirvana)) (Ep230, Ep155, Ep100, Ep066)
12. Jennifer Finch (L7, OtherStarPeople) (Ep191)
13. Ian MacKaye (fugazi, Coriky, the Evens, Minor Threat, Dischord Records) (Ep209)
Video for the show is forthcoming!
Keep it lit.
Doni Blair is best known as bassplayer for 90s legends The Toadies, but just like his brother Zach. Conan knows him from his old band Hagfish! We talk all about the Hagfish days, and van touring, as well as the glory and the allure of the Rickenbacker bass., a father who was a rock DJ, the "selling out" argument, and no thanks at all the MTV. The book Doni wrote and his journey (over 40!) with martial arts. Even if it Kills Me: Martial Arts, Rock and Roll and of course Dia De Los Toadies, the new record (!) Toadies has recorded with Steve Albini, what to expect for the future with that band, and being a catalog band with loyal fans and finding new audience members as time goes. It is the great Doni Blair! Dive in.
.jpg "Ep386: Danbert Nobacon (Chumbawamba, Solo, Axis of Dissent)")
Danbert is a anarcho-punk icon that cofounded Anarchist collective punk group Chumbawamba in 1982, yes that's right the one with the "I get knocked down, but I get up again" song. All about the origin and the journey of "the song" that changed the band's world for quite some time. Split release with Noam Chomsky, dumping water on hypocrite politicians and his newest record Kochtopus's Garden - Now That's What I Call Capitalism - The Musical. A very direct political record about two song-bots that escape their confines and flee across America all while “Dark Money Anon,” the entity that has taken control of the States, tries to hunt them down. Punk, folk, reggae and while slashing at capitalism, militarism, authorism, sexism, racism and all the various isms. All this from the guy who fronted the band that released "Pictures of Starving Children Sell Records" "Never Mind the Ballots" and many other cheeky, too-smart irrascible and funny records. And took ad money to give it explicitly to anti-corporate groups.
.jpg "Ep385: Roger C. Miller (Mission of Burma, Composer)")
The legendary guitarist for Mission of Burma arrives to talk about dream interpretations for solo guitar, silent film accompaniment, Vs., reunions, how the world caught up to Mission of Burma, Alloy Orchestra/The Anvil Orchestra (scoring Dr. Caligari at MFF soon!), Moving Parts, working on soundtracks, tapes, drones, Maximum Electric Piano, conceptual art like Transmuting the Prosaic, chamber music and so much more!
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