The Antinatalist Advocacy Podcast

Welcome back to AAP! We were really grateful this month to host Professor Rivka Weinberg to criticise the two ideologies that guide a lot of our thinking at Antinatalist Advocacy, namely antinatalism and Effective Altruism. Can it sometimes be ethical to procreate? Does Effective Altruism hold up to scrutiny in both theory and practice? And is John hopelessly misguided for being a card-carrying consequentialist? Let us know your thoughts below! TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro to the episode02:27 Intro to Rivka05:59 The role of temperemant in attitudes towards procreation10:06 Objections to Benatar's and Shiffrin's antinatalist arguments 22:32 Objections to misanthropic antinatalist arguments33:01 The opportunity cost of having children 39:14 The opportunity cost of NOT having children42:15 Rivka's arguments for procreative permissibility47:08 Criticisms of Effective Altruism53:24 The dangers of 'ends justify the means' thinking55:31 Our obligations to help others1:01:00 Effective Altruism in practice1:10:20 'Local' good1:15:53 Final comments1:19:16 A positive note to end1:20:55 Outro ANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacyInstagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacy Rivka Weinberg The Risk of a Lifetime: https://amzn.eu/d/3MwwBHe Existence: Who needs it?: https://bit.ly/4bB0jtb Risk, Responsibility, and Procreative Asymmetries: https://bit.ly/3wyGGDs  It Ain’t My World: https://community.scrippscollege.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ItAintMyWorld.pdf Do You Act As You Argue? Or Do You Argue for How You Act?: https://bit.ly/3wx4EyX Check out the links below! AAP Ep. 10: https://youtu.be/UxhxMQOnTGc?feature=shared David Benatar: Better Never to Have Been: https://amzn.eu/d/enFQbw8 Seana Shiffrin: Consent and the Morality of Procreation: https://bit.ly/3QJQ3qG Effective Altruism: https://www.effectivealtruism.org/ Peter Singer: Famine, Affluence, and Morality: https://bit.ly/4byB8aK The Sam Bankman-Fried FTX controversy: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/topics/sam-bankman-fried

Welcome back all! We're bringing you the fourth talk from December's Antinatalist Advocacy conference: AAC23 Antinatalism at a Crossroads. As you surely know by now, we're releasing the audio of our five talks and one panel discussion over the next few months to help share the ideas discussed a little wider. This episode includes Oscar Horta's talk on the ethical considerations of wild animal contraception. Can we really reduce suffering in the wild through giving animals contraceptives? What are the risks and opportunities? And what does this have to do with antinatalism? Let us know your thoughts in the comments!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro01:55 Intro to Oscar Horta03:40 Oscar's talk begins32:10 Q&A58:20 OutroANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacy Instagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacyOscar Horta Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Horta Making a Stand for Animals: https://www.routledge.com/Making-a-Stand-for-Animals/Horta/p/book/9781032259758 Animal Ethics: https://www.animal-ethics.org/ Check out the links below! Original video: https://youtu.be/AkBqFyoCIn0  AAC23 website: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/projects/aac Day 1 of AAC23: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFU9Cu48WNM Day 2 of AAC23: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxcR1pLFPFU

Welcome to episode 10 of AAP! We were joined by Lenny and Conundrum for a 'criticisms panel' of Antinatalist Advocacy, where we handed over the reigns to our two guests to tear apart our work on AA so far. Should AA drop the word 'antinatalist' from its name? Which of our four cause areas are actually relevant for antinatalism? And why did we have such a bungled definition of antinatalism on our website? Let us know your thoughts below! TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro to the episode01:42 Intro to the panel06:51 AA's definition of antinatalism10:12 How do you 'do' antinatalist advocacy?14:30 What is AA's end goal?18:27 The 'antinatalist blindspot'29:08 The empty criticisms page on the website33:38 Doing 'the most good'41:00 AA's emphasis on compassion53:01 "Antinatalist should do x,y,z…"56:50 A positive rebranding of antinatalism?1:06:27 The role of AA as an organisation1:11:40 AA's broad focus (i.e. the four cause areas, including wild animal suffering)1:27:50 Lawrence's comments on the ecological niche replacement argument1:40:08 What makes AA different from other existing organisations1:48:56 Potential associations to avoid1:56:54 Potential name changes2:10:09 John's comments on sperm donation2:16:09 Final comments2:18:02 Outro ANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacyInstagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacy Check out the links below! Conundrum's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@WackyConundrum Voidcast Linktree: https://linktr.ee/veganvoidcast Émile P. Torres's writings on effective altruism: https://www.xriskology.com/popularmedia AAP Ep. 9 - Wild Animal Suffering: what it is and why it matters with Humane Hancock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g4_air6SS0 AAC23 Pre-conference LIVESTREAM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCIwsJPE94o

Welcome back to AAP! This month we're bringing you the third talk from December's Antinatalist Advocacy conference: AAC23 Antinatalism at a Crossroads. As we mentioned previously, we'll be releasing the audio of our five talks and one panel discussion over the next few months to help share the ideas discussed a little wider. This episode includes Matti Häyry's presentation on antinatalism and extinction. Does antinatalism autimatically entail extinction? Ist it possible to have an antinatalist movement without extinction as its end goal? And has Lawrence Anton been exposed as a natalist apologist? Let us know your thoughts in the comments!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro01:40 Intro to Matti Häyry03:55 Matti's talk begins32:50 Q&A56:40 OutroANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacy Instagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacyMatti Häyry Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_H%C3%A4yry Antinatalism, Extinction, and the End of Procreative Self-Corruption: https://wordery.com/antinatalism-extinction-and-the-end-of-procreative-self-corruption-matti-hyry-9781009455305 Hankikanto: Falling into the Anti/Natal Abyss #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEEp4jOzR3w Confessions of an Antinatalist Philosopher: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/cambridge-quarterly-of-healthcare-ethics/article/confessions-of-an-antinatalist-philosopher/C181644401A98E5EE0D35568D06E64B4 Check out the links below! Original video: https://youtu.be/zmmVLk5YJzA?si=l_OYHzd_aXLqSAfb AAC23 website: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/projects/aac Day 1 of AAC23: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFU9Cu48WNM Day 2 of AAC23: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxcR1pLFPFU

ADDENDUM [written by John]At 56:20, myself and Jack discuss the topic of antinatalists making sperm donations. I later provided some important caveats (and reiterated others) in the YouTube comment section. I would like to reiterate that, as stated in the comment section, whilst I see the logic behind the actions discussed being permissible under consequentialism (with the important caveats I mentioned), I do not advocate sperm donation as a form of activism. This discussion was inappropriate for the forum of The Antinatalist Advocacy Podcast as the opinions expressed were my own and do not reflect the position of Antinatalist Advocacy or the views of my fellow co-founder, Lawrence. I would therefore like to apologise for any confusion caused.We're joined this month by animal activist Jack (aka Humane Hancock) to discuss our third cause area at AA - Wild Animal Suffering (or WAS). What is WAS? Are we playing God by trying to protect animals in nature? And should we have children and turn the world into one big car park to prevent WAS? Let us know your thoughts!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro02:09 Intro to Jack & how he became an activist16:21 How Jack became aware of antinatalism17:57 Intro to Wild Animal Suffering (WAS)22:43 Common arguments against taking action on WAS (intractability, 'playing god' etc)40:18 How does WAS relate to antinatalism?48:50 Should we have children to stop WAS?57:52 What can we actually do to help wild animals?1:07:17 Final thoughts on the subject1:12:39 A positive note to end on1:16:36 OutroANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacy  Instagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacy Check out the links below!- Humane Hancock's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@HumaneHancock- Humane Hancock's Instagram: instagram.com/humanehancock- WAS playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3DYHJ1o1Q0z5Np9lR2BGl4_QqP2SLw5c- AA's page on WAS: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/wild-animal-suffering

Welcome back to AAP! We're delighted to bring you the second talk from December's Antinatalist Advocacy conference: AAC23 Antinatalism at a Crossroads. As we mentioned last month, we'll be releasing the audio of our five talks and one panel discussion over the next few months to help share the ideas discussed a little wider. This episode includes Seb Alex's presentation on the importance of animal rights. Why are animal rights and/or veganism important? How do they relate to antinatalism? And should we be wary of leaving the wild animals to eat each other indefinitely? Let us know your thoughts below!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro01:58 Intro to Seb Alex03:07 Seb's talk begins36:35 Q&A59:07 Outro ANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacy  Instagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacy SEB ALEX Website: https://www.sebalex.org/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seb.alex/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SebAlex Middle East Vegan Society: https://middleeastvegansociety.org/ Check out the links below! Original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBM2lFzx_go Presentation: https://youtu.be/aBM2lFzx_go?feature=shared AAC23 website: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/projects/aac Day 1 of AAC23: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFU9Cu48WNM Day 2 of AAC23: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxcR1pLFPFU

For our second episode of 2024, we're diving deep into another one of our cause areas at Antinatalist Advocacy - animal agriculture. What does eating animals have to do with antinatalism? Do antinatalists have an obligation to be vegan? And should we keep veganism and antinatalism separate in our activism? Let us know your thoughts!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro05:35 How and when Ash became an antinatalist10:18 Why Ash went vegan14:00 Strongest arguments for going vegan16:44 Best arguments against veganism20:01 Arguments for keeping veganism and antinatalism separate32:52 Do antinatalists have an obligation to be vegan?34:59 Do vegans have an obligation to be antinatalist?37:48 Should we target AN activism towards vegans?42:41 Should we keep AN activism separate from vegan activism?53:00 Experiences talking to antinatalists about veganism54:21 Vegans refusing to become antinatalists1:07:04 Final comments & a positive note to end on1:13:41 OutroANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacy  Instagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacyCheck out the links below! Ash Wickety Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashwickety/ Stop Having Kids: https://www.stophavingkids.org/ AAC23: Building a Healthy Antinatalist Community Panel: Panel: Building a Healthy Antinatalist Community Antinatalist Advocacy Animal Agriculture page: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/animal-agriculture

It's our first bonus episode of 2023, and we're pleased to bring you the first talk from last month's Antinatalist Advocacy conference: AAC23 Antinatalism at a Crossroads. We'll be releasing the audio of our five talks and one panel discussion over the next few months to help share the ideas discussed a little wider. First up is David Pearce's case for a 'bio-happiness revolution'. Should we advocate against procreation, or should we instead focus on engineering suffering out of sentient existence? What would it take to do this, and how realistic is this goal? Let us know your thoughts!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro01:41 Intro to David Pearce04:23 David's talk begins22:06 Q&A56:32 OutroANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacy  Instagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacy DAVID PEARCE Twitter: https://twitter.com/webmasterdave Website: https://www.antinatalism.com/ Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Pearce_(philosopher) The Hedonistic Imperative: https://www.hedweb.com/ Check out the links below! Original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqbU2ZF81dM  Presentation: https://www.antinatalism.com/hard/antinatalism-selectionpressure.pedf AAC23 website: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/projects/aac Day 1 of AAC23: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFU9Cu48WNM Day 2 of AAC23: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxcR1pLFPFU

We're beginning the new year by diving deep into the reasons for not having children with YouTuber BenedictineTheTruth. So what are the strongest (and weakest) arguments for antinatalism? Is humanity a virus on this planet? And how should we talk to natalists about the harms of having children? Listen to find out!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro02:22 Welcome Benedictine19:30 How Benedictine became an antinatalist34:33 Best arguments against having children43:06 Weakest arguments for antinatalism (is humanity a virus?)59:00 Best counter arguments to antinatalism1:04:56 Opportunities and challenges for antinatalist activism1:24:02 Final thoughts on the topic of not having children1:28:32 A positive note to end on1:31:56 OutroANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacy  Instagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacy Check out the links below! Benedictine's channel: https://www.youtube.com/@benedictinethetruth Discussing antinatalism at Speaker's Corner: https://youtu.be/2kO-enPxK0c?si=WN45PgPY1J8sF8qv Discussing antinatalism with Extinction Rebellion: https://youtu.be/cyvpm-wHl_k?si=tYp4iUPI7y7pDj32 Best Speech You Will Ever Hear: https://youtu.be/es6U00LMmC4?si=vVj7F88tpk2zakRZ

It's NYE 2023, and we're finishing the year with a debate! Should we be having babies? Can you sometimes be justified in creating new sentient beings? And are antinatalists simply projecting their own misery onto others? Let us know your thoughts below!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro02:02 Conversation begins2:18:17 OutroANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacy  Instagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacy Simone & Malcolm Collins: YouTube: Based Camp with Simone & Malcolm Collins - YouTube Twitter: twitter.com/SimoneHCollins Books: amazon.com/gp/product/B08FMWMFTG School: collinsinstitute.org Projects: pragmatistfoundation.com Facebook: facebook.com/basedcamppodcast Simone on HubPages: simonesmith.hubpages.com  Original video on Lawrence Anton's channel: ANTINATALISM DEBATE | NATALISTS VS ANTINATALISTS (In-Person Debate)

It's our first ever AAP crossover episode! Carlos and Lenny - the guys behind the excellent Voidcast - join us for a discussion on all things antinatalist activism and advice for fellow antinatalists looking to have a positive impact on the world. Enjoy!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro02:47 Welcome Carlos and Lenny12:47 Intro to Voidcast25:21 General thoughts on antinatalist activism29:31 Thoughts on converting people to antinatalism41:01 Whether or not the antinatalist community is suitable to build a social movement on56:58 The antinatalist end goal1:03:50 Antinatalism as an end goal vs a means to an end1:08:10 Advice for an antinatalist looking to have a positive impact1:19:02 Projects Carlos and Lenny are working on1:24:07 A positive note to end on1:27:40 Outro ANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacy  Instagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacyAntinatalist Advocacy Conference 2023 AAC23 Day 1: https://bit.ly/41nHXYN AAC23 Day 2: https://bit.ly/3TrmoES Voidcast links: Linktree: https://linktr.ee/veganvoidcast YouTube: https://youtube.com/@veganvoidcast Email: veganvoidcast@protonmail.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/veganvoidcast Lawrence's interview with Voidcast: https://bit.ly/48hTn2z Check out the further links below! Lenny's Kurnig post: https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalism/comments/wd268d/the_holy_grail_of_modern_antinatalism_unearthed/ "Judeo-Christian Antinatalism?" – guest lecture and discussion with Dr. Karim Akerma [+ subtitles]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs9S0qc3WzQ A Comprehensive Bibliography of Academic Papers on Antinatalism: https://tinyurl.com/AcademicAntinatalism German language classes for philosophical pessimists: https://www.reddit.com/r/Pessimism/comments/17vxdjw/german_language_classes_for_philosophical/ Andrew McIntosh – "Ineffectual Whinging" playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJCMvTRbCfZ7_5C331Jw0s2xJab4PdVgg Conundrum's Pessimism server: https://discord.com/invite/z9NQTuxPD6 Mark J. Maharaj / Question Mark: https://www.youtube.com/@QuestionMarkPhilosophy Émile P. Torres's writings on effective altruism: https://www.xriskology.com/popularmedia

This bonus episode sees John and Lawrence respond to concerns from their fellow antinatalists about applying an Effective Altruist lens to antinatalism. Are we trying to take antinatalism down the wrong path? Let us know your thoughts!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro02:20 Intro to the livestream10:40 Recap of the previous video ('How ANTINATALISTS Can Do the MOST GOOD')13:37 Lawrence and John start responding to written feedback24:41 Alex joins the stream1:05:20 Rob joins the stream and Alex leaves1:35:20 Alex leaves and Lawrence and John respond to more written feedback1:57:45 Outro ANTINATALIST ADVOCACY Newsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacy Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/an_advocacyCheck out the links below!  Original video on Lawrence Anton's channel: https://youtu.be/4GEUrDNpGfE?si=arL6tkA6nWLALYyC How ANTINATALISTS Can Do the MOST GOOD: https://youtu.be/MWd0Q1SN9jY?si=qWcnivpbOH5DtcE_ Effective Altruism: https://www.effectivealtruism.org  Give Well: https://www.givewell.org  80,000 Hours: https://80000hours.org 

In this episode, John and Lawrence respond to philosopher Will MacAskill, for many the leading figure of Effective Altruism, on the subject of antinatalism. Is antinatalism worth taking seriously? Would human extinction be bad? And are antinatalists welcome in the EA community? Listen to find out! TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro02:04 Purpose of this episode05:29 Our thoughts on Will MacAskill13:04 "Too nihilistic and divorced from humane values" comment32:03 "Positively glad that the world exists" comment38:09 Question 1: Does MacAskill take human extinction seriously enough? 56:01 Question 2: Are antinatalists welcome in the EA community?1:10:36 A positive note to end on1:18:05 OutroANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/an_advocacyCheck out the links below!- What We Owe The Future: https://amzn.eu/d/bO5Wqpo- Doing Good Better: https://amzn.eu/d/cyPlhZY- Reluctant Prophet of Effective Altruism: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/the-reluctant-prophet-of-effective-altruism- The dismal dismissal of suffering-focused views: https://magnusvinding.com/2022/06/17/dismal-dismissal/- Utilitarianism.net: https://www.utilitarianism.net/population-ethics/#person-affecting-views-and-the-procreative-asymmetry- The Problem with Antinatalism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxuohL8Lx1o

In this bonus episode of AAP, John speaks with Lawrence about our progress since launching Antinatalist Advocacy in July. We also preview the Antinatalist Advocacy Conference 2023 (AAC23), held for free on YouTube on the 2nd and 3rd December 2023. Enjoy!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro to the episode02:42 Quick intro to Antinatalist Advocacy05:32 Update on AA's progress18:01 AAC2324:20 OutroANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/an_advocacyCheck out the links below!- Original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWwllIcYrvw- Conference page: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/projects/aac-2023

In this episode, John and Lawrence respond to philosopher Peter Singer, for many the father of Effective Altruism, on the subject of antinatalism. In particular, they discuss if it is a harm to create sentient beings who will die prematurely (in this case, 'happy' chickens), and whether vegans and others looking to do good in the world should have children. Enjoy!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro02:34 Welcome Lawrence08:45 Purpose of this episode14:30 Our views on Effective Altruism25:42 Our views on Peter Singer specifically34:46 Question 1: Is it a harm to create sentient beings who will die prematurely?57:33 Question 2: Should vegans (and others looking to do good in the world) have children?1:22:25 Final thoughts on Peter Singer and antinatalism1:24:15 A positive note to end on1:30:29 OutroANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacy  Instagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacy Check out the links below! The Life You Can Save (Book): https://www.thelifeyoucansave.org/the-book/ Why We Should Go Vegan (Book): https://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-We-Should-Go-Vegan/dp/1496069919 Effective Altruism: https://www.effectivealtruism.org Give Well: https://www.givewell.org 80,000 Hours: https://80000hours.org Animal Charity Evaluators: https://animalcharityevaluators.org Lawrence's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@LawrenceAnton Antinatalism in Somalia: Antinatalism in Somalia | Namus - YouTube

It's our first ever AAP bonus episode! It's a recording from the first discussion John and Lawrence had on the Lawrence Anton Youtube channel in November 2022 on how antinatalists can do the most good. Back then John hadn't yet splashed out on a microphone, so if you can suffer through the low-quality audio, enjoy! TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro03:02 How John became an antinatalist09:36 Brief into to Effective Altruism (EA)14:03 The link between antinatalism and EA16:52 What antinatalists can learn from EA's successes22:41 What antinatalists can learn from EA's challenges27:52 Reluctant longtermism34:38 The four cause areas of antinatalist activism49:49 People working in this space53:00 Possible objections from the antinatalist community1:02:42 Possible objections from the EA community1:10:45 How academia might react to antinatalist activism1:17:30 Tangible steps to have an impact1:20:21 Final thoughts1:24:24 Outro ANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacy  Instagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacy Check out the links below! Give Well: https://www.givewell.org 80,000 Hours: https://80000hours.org Animal Charity Evaluators: https://animalcharityevaluators.org Centre for Reducing Suffering: https://centerforreducingsuffering.org Critique of Macaskill’s ‘Is it good to make happy people?’ | Minus Vinding (Article): https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/vZ4kB8gpvkfHLfz8d/critique-of-macaskill-s-is-it-good-to-make-happy-people Strategic Considerations for Moral Antinatalists | Brian Tomasik (Article): https://reducing-suffering.org/strategic-considerations-moral-antinatalists/ Famine, Affluence & Procreation | David Benatar (Article): https://r.jordan.im/download/natalism/benatar2020.pdf

In this episode, John speaks with fellow antinatalist Michael (aka Vegan Space Scientist), a Researcher and Strategy Lead and at the Sentience Institute. They discuss the core ideas of Effective Altruism, the ins and outs of the EA community, and how people can use the core ideas of Effective Altruism and Antinatalism to make the world a better place. Enjoy!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro to the episode02:59 Welcome Michael04:32 Discovering antinatalism08:37 Going vegan11:31 Coming across Effective Altruism (EA)17:26 Core EA ideas22:36 How these ideas have evolved over time31:04 Choosing causes / charities to support40:26 Challenges / downsides of core EA ideas43:43 Intro to the EA community54:58 Challenges / downsides of the community  1:04:43 Balancing doing good with living a good life1:07:42 Relationship between EA and antinatalism1:18:37 Opportunities for impact across communities1:22:14 Opportunity cost of having children1:26:30 What Michael is currently working on1:31:41 Things to be positive about1:35:26 Outro to the episodeANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletter Website: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/antinatalistadvocacyInstagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacyCheck out the links below!Michael's website: https://www.michaeldello.com/Vegan Space Scientist: https://www.youtube.com/@VeganSpaceScientistEffective Altruism: https://www.effectivealtruism.org/EA TED Talk: Peter Singer: The why and how of effective altruism

In our first full AAP episode, John speaks with host of the Exploring Antinatalism podcast (and all-round legend of the antinatalist community) Amanda 'Oldphan' Sukenick. They discuss the core ideas of antinatalist philosophy, the ins and outs of the antinatalist community, and how antinatalists can have more of a positive impact on the world. Enjoy!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro to the episode02:33 Welcome Amanda03:28 Amanda's introduction to antinatalism05:24 Amanda's first videos / early days of YouTube08:49 What is Antinatalism?13:13 Life sucking16:48 Strengths and challenges of the philosophy38:46 Antinatalism as a magic pill44:10 Intro to the antinatalist community53:43 Positive aspects of the AN community59:56 Antinatalist activism1:10:02 Forming alliances with other movements1:13:07 Unlocking the potential of the AN community1:16:05 What Amanda is currently working on1:17:31 Final thoughts on antinatalism1:20:12 Things to be positive about1:23:40 Outro to the episodeANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletterWebsite: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacyInstagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacyThe Recent History of Antinatalism Online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR7s4vesPTY

John speaks with Alaanah and Lawrence, his fellow core team members at Antinatalist Advocacy, to introduce themselves, the organisation, and their plans for AA going forward. John also forgets to introduce himself, as well as forgetting at times to stand close to his microphone… Enjoy!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro to the episode01:47 Meet the AA team09:26: Introduction to AA12:23 AA's four cause areas20:19 Opportunities and challenges of looking broader than human procreation23:41 AA's planned activities29:44 Upcoming projects38:56 Plans for the AAP podcast42:06 Things to be positive about46:27 Outro to the episodeANTINATALIST ADVOCACYNewsletter: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/newsletter Website: https://antinatalistadvocacy.org/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/AN_advocacy Instagram: https://instagram.com/an_advocacy YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AntinatalistAdvocacy