That Wellness Podcast with Natalie Deering: Internal Family Systems (IFS) with a Twist

Fresh from the 2025 IFS Conference and in celebration of the podcast's 100th episode, I sit down with my friend and fellow IFS enthusiast, Tammy Sollenberger, for a lively and heartfelt debrief. In true synchronicity, we somehow kept signing up for the same seminars—without ever comparing notes beforehand. We talk about our parts, our paths, and maybe a touch of destiny. Tammy opens up about what it’s like to be an “IFS celebrity” (yes, we said it!) and the part of her that found it difficult to fully surrender as a participant in sessions while being so publicly known in the community. I share about my socially anxious parts and how they showed up throughout the conference, and together we explore how our systems reacted to the intensity, the beauty, and the vulnerability of being surrounded by hundreds of other parts and protectors in one big IFS field. I also share some clairvoyant messages that came through for both of us — intuitive nudges about healing, alignment, and the unexpected ways our friendship continues to unfold inside and outside the IFS community. This episode is a blend of reflection, laughter, emotional honesty, and gentle self-discovery — just what you’d expect from two friends who speak IFS fluently and love exploring the edges between psychology and soul.   What We Talk About How we kept accidentally attending all the same IFS conference seminars Tammy’s experience of being an “IFS celebrity” and the protector that kept her from full vulnerability as a participant My socially anxious parts and how they showed up in crowded conference spaces The parts of us that got activated during the conference — and how we worked with them Our individual experiences as presenters Tammy’s real-time vulnerability: sharing about her romantic breakup in her presentation and how her system responded Clairvoyant messages and intuitive insights that came through for both of us Takeaways, integration, and how the IFS model continues to deepen our friendships and inner awareness   About Tammy Sollenberger Tammy Sollenberger is an author, podcaster, and psychotherapist. She’s a Certified IFS Therapist and Consultant who loves helping people new to IFS discover their Authentic Self. Tammy co-authored a chapter on the Enneagram and IFS with Joan Ryan in the book Altogether Us: Integrating the IFS Model with Key Modalities, Communities, and Trends. She’s also the author of The One Inside: Thirty Days to Your Authentic Self, and the host and producer of the popular weekly podcast, “The One Inside.”   Tammy has a part who always wishes she were reading on a sunny beach ☀️ Learn more about her work at tammysollenberger.com   ____________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

In this episode, I sit down with one of my IFS mentors Chris Burris, LMFT, Senior Lead Trainer for the Internal Family Systems (IFS) Institute, to explore one of the most challenging and misunderstood aspects of our inner world: the inner critic. Chris shares his personal journey with IFS and how the model offers a radical permission to approach ourselves—and our parts—with more love, kindness, and curiosity. Together, we discuss: Why people are more than the behavior of their parts The nature of inner critic parts and why pushing them away doesn’t work How cultural messages often teach us to fight or silence the inner critic, rather than befriend it Common “suck points” when working with critics in therapy The role of legacy burdens in shaping our inner critics What it means to carry the critical energy of others inside us The importance of following intuition in the healing process Practical exercises to begin befriending your inner critic on your own This conversation is both grounding and liberating, offering a compassionate reframe for anyone who struggles with self-judgment or harsh inner voices.   About Chris Burris: Chris Burris, M.Ed., LCMHCS, LMFT (he/him), is a Senior Lead Trainer for the Internal Family Systems Institute, providing Level II and III trainings worldwide. He has been an IFS Therapist since 1999 and a practicing psychotherapist since 1987. With a background in marriage and family therapy and a mind-body approach, Chris has worked extensively with individuals, couples, families, and groups. He is the author of Creating Healing Circles: Using the Internal Family Systems Model in Facilitating Groups, and has been leading experiential group trainings since 2003 on topics such as Self-leadership, men’s work, rites of passage, sacred activism, healthy relationships, and performance enhancement. Chris has also trained in nature-based models through the Animus Valley Institute, School of Lost Borders, The Foundation for Shamanic Studies, and The Center for Conscious Eldering.   Resources: Internal Family Systems Institute: burriscounseling.com   ___________________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*    

My guest today is Jenny Hayo (she/her)—teacher, guide, and practitioner of wisdom traditions for over 25 years—to explore the living, breathing experience of Self-energy and how it shapes our inner and outer worlds.   Together, we dive into: What it means to embody Self-energy instead of holding it as just an idea. The many ways people describe Self-energy, and how language can both help and limit us. A playful, unexpected moment when an otter appeared, bringing laughter into our conversation. What we are actually embodying when we talk about “being in Self.” The practice of interoception—tuning into the body’s signals and sensations. The difference between listening to the body and having an agenda for it. How Self can be both a deeply spiritual and beautifully ordinary experience. Ways to discover what your unique Self-energy feels like. The heart as a powerful portal into Self-energy. A simple practice Jenny shares for cultivating embodiment and accessing Self-energy in daily life. __________________________ About Jenny Hayo Jenny Hayo has practiced and taught in the wisdom traditions for over 25 years. She synthesizes her decades of consciousness studies, meditation, and embodiment-centered practices to support students along the path of awakening. Her work is informed by Hindu philosophy, classical yoga, tantric Buddhism, and various somatic modalities. Jenny is certified in Hakomi, Internal Family Systems (IFS), and as a Yoga Therapist. Her understanding of the subtle body—and the importance of our relationship with it—lies at the heart of her work. Jenny teaches public workshops, trainings, retreats, and offers individual coaching for students on the spiritual journey. She is deeply committed to creating a world of wakefulness and liberation for all. Connect with Jenny Hayo: 📞 Phone: 206.931.8992 📧 Email: jenny@jennyhayo.com 🌐 Website: www.jennyhayo.com   Tune in and join us as we explore how to embody Self-energy—not as a concept, but as a lived, heart-centered experience! __________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*  

In this episode I sit down with Heather Smith—Certified IFS therapist and founder of The Moxie School®—to explore the profound intersection of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy and psychedelic-assisted healing. Heather shares her deeply personal path into both IFS and psychedelics, sparked by a lifelong inquiry: How do people truly heal? Together, we dive into the ways psychedelic experiences can deepen parts work, the essential role of Self-energy in lasting transformation, and why healing doesn’t come from the medicine—but from within. _________________________ We Explore: Heather’s journey into IFS and expanded states of consciousness The deep synergy between IFS and psychedelics How MDMA can amplify Self-energy The power of witnessing parts in altered states Why preparation is non-negotiable before a medicine journey The consequences of skipping the prep and integration process The role of the IFS Self-led guide in enhancing psychedelic journeys What “integration” really means—and why it’s the completion, not the afterthought The myth that the medicine does the healing (hint: it’s your Self that does) Whether you’re a seasoned guide or curious about combining inner parts work with psychedelic tools, this episode is a must-listen. _______________________ About Heather Smith Heather Smith is a visionary in the field of psychedelic healing, uniquely bridging Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy with expanded states of consciousness. A Certified IFS therapist (Levels 1–3) and frequent Program Assistant, Heather is the founder of The Moxie School®, where she trains facilitators in IFS-informed psychedelic support. Through immersive retreats and training programs, Heather empowers others to deepen their self-leadership, refine their facilitation skills, and embody the healing work at the deepest level. ___________________________ Resources & Links 🌐 Visit Heather’s work: www.moxieschool.com ✨ New Offering: How To Journey – An IFS-Informed, Self-Guided Experience Prepare, navigate, and integrate expanded states with over 20 hours of content—guided meditations, journaling prompts, and IFS teachings. 💫 Just $197 USD → Click here to purchase _________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

What happens when Internal Family Systems meets the mystical? In this episode I’m joined once again by therapist, teacher, and spiritual guide Chris Hancock to explore Transpersonal Internal Family Systems (T-IFS)—a sacred weaving of parts work with direct connection to the Divine. Together, we explore how T-IFS opens portals to higher realms of healing, the many expressions of Divine love and light, and how spiritual beings—including Mother Mary and Isis—can participate in unburdenings and transformation. Chris also shares his process of spiritual awakening and the path that led him to co-create this multidimensional form of healing. I share my own powerful T-IFS session with Chris, including an emotional message received from Mother Mary that brought me to tears. This episode is a testament to what becomes possible when we listen deeply, surrender, and allow Love itself to lead the way. _______________________________ In this episode, we discuss: What is Transpersonal IFS and how it evolved The many expressions of the Divine and how they show up in healing How Chris integrates higher realms into unburdenings Stories from powerful T-IFS sessions, including guides, ancestors, and angelic presences Parts that block access to the Divine and how to gently be with them My personal experience with Mother Mary and Isis during a T-IFS session The emotional and sacred message Chris received from Mother Mary the day after our session. ______________________________ About Chris Hancock Chris Hancock, LCSW, ACMHP is a licensed therapist with over 26 years of experience and the heart behind Therapy Outside the Box, based in Nashville, TN. His journey through burnout, mystical awakening, and surrender to Divine guidance led him to develop a unique healing modality known as Transpersonal IFS (T-IFS)—a powerful blend of IFS, spiritual gnosis, and multidimensional light transmission. Chris works in direct relationship with Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine archetypes and is a devoted channel of Mother Mary, offering deeply sacred healing experiences that are grounded in love, unity, and soul remembrance.   Connect with Chris: Website: www.therapyoutsidethebox.com Instagram: @therapyoutsidethebox Phone: 615.430.2778 ______________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

What if our inner parts weren’t just fragments of the psyche—but vessels designed to receive divine love? My guests today are Chelsea Odhner, Robert Falconer, and Jonathan S. Rose—co-authors of the new book Opening the Inner World: Spiritual Healing, Internal Family Systems, and Emanuel Swedenborg. Together, we explore the playful spirit that brought this project to life and the profound insights that emerged at the intersection of IFS therapy and Swedenborgian spirituality. We discuss Swedenborg’s life and legacy, the idea of spiritual awakening as universally accessible, and how our parts—when burdened—can block access to divine inflow. The authors share how Swedenborg’s theology aligns with the IFS model, especially around the belief that healing comes from within, through dialogue, compassion, and connection to something greater. This episode is a heartfelt, curious, and spiritually charged invitation to see your inner world not as a problem to fix—but as a sacred system ready to be witnessed, healed, and loved. __________________________ Topics We Explore: ✨ The joy and creativity behind writing Opening the Inner World 📖 Who was Emanuel Swedenborg, and why do his teachings still matter? 💫 Spiritual awakenings and how we all have access to the Divine 🚪 Why parts can block that access—and how to gently open the door 💞 The soul as a vessel for divine inflow, and parts as vessels too 🗣 Why dialoguing with parts is essential—meditation alone isn’t enough 🏡 “The internal household” and learning to relate to each part with reverence 🌐 Porosity of the mind and the role of collective consciousness 🧩 How Swedenborg’s teachings and IFS therapy beautifully complement one another ______________________ About the Guests: Chelsea Rose Odhner is a lifelong student of Swedenborg’s teachings, an IFS practitioner and coach, and the current Vice President of Publishing at the Swedenborg Foundation. Her work weaves theology, embodiment, and healing into a compassionate, grounded practice of spiritual development. 🔗 https://locusofhealing.com   Robert Falconer is a globally respected IFS educator and author of Many Minds, One Self and The Others Within Us. His work explores the porous nature of the psyche and the sacredness of all parts—especially those that carry burdens from beyond the self. 🔗 http://robertfalconer.us   Jonathan S. Rose, Ph.D., is a renowned Swedenborgian scholar and translator. As the Series Editor of the New Century Edition of Swedenborg’s works, he’s dedicated his life to making Swedenborg’s ideas accessible and actionable for modern spiritual seekers. 🔗 https://swedenborg.com __________________________ Get the Book: Opening the Inner World: Spiritual Healing, Internal Family Systems, and Emanuel Swedenborg 📖 On Amazon 📖 From Swedenborg Foundation Upcoming Retreat: Chelsea is honored to be facilitating an in-person retreat hosted by the Swedenborg Foundation this summer: "Inflow: A Retreat for Embodying Swedenborg’s Ideas Through Internal Family Systems" 📍 August 8–10, 2025 at Harmony Mountain House in Phillipsburg, NJ 🧘‍♀️ Learn More & Register _________________________ This Episode is Sponsored by: Heart of Caldera IFS & Wellness:  "Cultivating wholehearted connection with Self, each other, and the natural world." Website: ifswellness.com Retreat Information: ifswellness.com/ifs-retreats  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/heartofcalderaIFS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/heart_of_caldera_ifs/   ____________________________   Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

What if your insomnia isn't a problem to fix, but a part of you that needs your attention? In this insightful and compassionate conversation, I’m joined by somatic IFS and leadership coach Katie LaCelle to explore the deep connection between sleeplessness and our inner system. Katie shares her personal journey with chronic insomnia and how Internal Family Systems (IFS) offered a radically different way of relating to wakefulness—one that invites curiosity, compassion, and presence. Together, we explore how insomnia can be understood through the lens of parts work, what happens when protector parts activate at night, and why asking “Who’s awake?” might be more helpful than trying to fall back asleep. Katie also offers grounded techniques and nervous system tools to support better sleep—not by overriding parts, but by listening to them. Whether you struggle with occasional restlessness or chronic insomnia, this episode offers powerful insights into how we can meet our sleepless parts with kindness—and finally begin to rest. _____________________________ We Explore: 🌙 Katie’s personal experience with insomnia and burnout 🧠 The “Just Ask” principle in IFS: Who’s awake? What do you need? 🔦 Why certain protector parts become active at night 🌀 A theory on nightmares and sleep as a consent violation for some parts ⚖️ Common polarizations around sleep (e.g., “I need to sleep” vs. “I need to stay alert”) 🧘 Techniques for grounding before sleep and during the day 🧩 How to be with insomnia parts instead of battling them 🌿 The power of observing and noticing what’s there—without trying to change it ___________________________ About Katie LaCelle: Katie LaCelle is a somatic IFS and leadership coach who helps people reconnect with their body’s wisdom and uncover the internal leaders they already carry within. She specializes in working with high achievers, people pleasers, and caretakers—especially those navigating burnout or struggling with sleep. Katie regularly assists with IFS Institute trainings and is currently pursuing her Somatic Experiencing Practitioner certification. Her work blends deep nervous system support with compassionate parts work to create lasting, embodied change. ______________________________ Learn More & Connect with Katie: 🧘 IFS for Insomnia Course: cressanallc.com/about-insomnia-course 📸 Instagram: @cressanallc 🌐 Website: www.cressanallc.com Tune in for a gentle, eye-opening conversation on what it really means to rest—and how befriending our sleepless parts might be the first step. _____________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

What happens when a couple says “yes” to deep healing together—guided by MDMA-assisted psychotherapy and parts work? In this soulful and honest conversation, I’m joined by Steph and Craig, co-hosts of The Steph & Craig Show, to explore their transformative journeys with MDMA-assisted therapy through the lens of Internal Family Systems (IFS). Together, we talk about what it’s like to prepare for these powerful sessions, working with the parts that hold fear or doubt, and what can unfold when you surrender to the healing process. Steph and Craig open up about their unique experiences—both as individuals and as a couple. Craig describes a peaceful, heart-opening session, while Steph shares a more challenging journey that offered deep insight and emotional release. We also discuss the phenomenon of “redo” experiences—moments when the body and psyche reprocess past events in a new, healing way. Whether you're curious about MDMA therapy, IFS, or simply how couples can grow together through conscious exploration, this episode offers powerful takeaways about trust, safety, and self-discovery. ______________________ Topics We Discuss: - The preparation process for MDMA-assisted psychotherapy - Working with parts that feel fear, resistance, or uncertainty - Steph and Craig’s individual MDMA journeys—peaceful vs. intense - “Redo” experiences that can arise in altered states of healing - The role of integration and meaning-making after the session - How MDMA therapy deepened their connection as a couple - Why emotional safety is foundational for psychedelic healing - IFS as a guiding framework before, during, and after sessions ________________________ About Steph & Craig: Steph and Craig are the hosts of The Steph & Craig Show, a podcast that explores healing, emotional growth, spirituality, and the beautiful messiness of being human. Through honest conversations, personal stories, and soulful insights, they help listeners feel seen, supported, and inspired on their own inner journeys. ________________________ Connect with Steph & Craig: 🌐 Website: stephandcraig.co 📺 YouTube: @stephandcraig 📘 Facebook: Steph and Craig 📸 Instagram: @steph.and.craig 🎵 TikTok: @stephandcraig 📰 Substack: Steph & Craig on Substack   🎧 Tune in for an honest, intimate look at what happens when healing gets real—and you choose to walk the path together. ____________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*  

In this deeply personal episode, I sit down with my brother, Sam Deering, to explore the layered journey of identity—how it forms, evolves, fractures, and heals over a lifetime. Sam shares openly about his search for belonging through many identities. We dive into big questions like Who am I? and Where do I belong?, weaving in the lens of Internal Family Systems (IFS) to understand how parts of ourselves are shaped by survival, societal pressures, and the deep human need for connection. _________________________ We explore: What identity really means, and why it matters How society pressures us to exile parts of who we are The desperate human need for belonging and connection Sam’s identity journey How anger became a tool for survival and expression as a man Lessons the military taught him about values, boundaries, and self-trust Using creativity and boundaries to channel identity healthily How Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy sheds light on identity fragmentation and healing The power of acceptance, kindness, and making space for mistakes Why diversifying your identity is essential for resilience and wholeness Sam speaks with honesty, humor, and hard-won wisdom about how belonging isn't something we find "out there"—it's something we reclaim inside ourselves, one part at a time. ________________________ About Sam Deering Sam Deering is a potter living in the hills of southern New Hampshire, working with one of humanity’s oldest mediums: clay.  After leaving the military and enrolling in a college pottery class on the GI Bill, Sam found a new path—one rooted in simplicity, creativity, and grounded living. He apprenticed under master potter Kevin Crowe at Tye River Pottery in Virginia, and today he creates beautiful, functional pieces that make everyday life feel a little calmer, a little richer, and a little more human. _______________________________ Connect with Sam & See His Work: 🌐 Spotted Horse Pottery on Etsy 📸 @spottedhorse_pottery on Instagram   Tune in now for a conversation that’s honest, soulful, and full of insight about belonging, becoming, and the courage it takes to live as your whole self. _____________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*  

What happens when you’ve had two open-heart surgeries before the age of 40, and you’re still fighting the healthcare system—every single day? In this powerful and deeply human conversation, I’m joined by Dr. Jacob Kendall, healthcare advocate and metagerontologist, to talk about what it means to advocate like hell—for yourself, your loved ones, and the millions of people navigating chronic illness and a broken healthcare system. ______________________ We explore: - Jacob’s personal experience of having multiple heart surgeries and becoming a caregiver - How his life led him to multi-dimensional healthcare advocacy - The harms and complexity of the U.S. healthcare and insurance system - The internal debate among mental health professionals about whether to accept insurance - The debate between private and socialized medicine - The importance of honest conversations with providers and why doctors don’t always have all the answers - Why Jacob believes self-advocacy, assertiveness, and agency are the most essential tools we have Jacob speaks with radical clarity and lived experience about the intentional confusion of insurance, the need to normalize chronic disease, and how healing isn’t just medical—it’s emotional, systemic, and deeply personal. ________________________ About Dr. Jacob Kendall Dr. Jacob Kendall advocates like hell for people living with chronic illness, pain, and disability. Having undergone two open-heart surgeries and served as a caregiver for multiple family members, Jacob brings deep insight into the realities of the U.S. healthcare system. A metagerontologist with a broad background in biology, social work, public health, and theology, he blends science and soul in his work. Jacob is also the founder of TheSmartPatient.com, where he supports patients in navigating complex health systems and reclaiming their power. He currently lives on Mobile Bay in Alabama with his wife, son, and daughter. _______________________ Connect with Jacob & Learn More: 🌐 TheSmartPatient.com 💼 Jacob on LinkedIn   Tune in now for a conversation that’s honest, courageous, and full of clarity on what it means to show up for your health—and push back when the system fails you!  _________________________   Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*      

What if your birth chart could help you find the parts of you longing to be witnessed? What if the stars weren’t about prediction—but about reflection? In this rich and expansive conversation, I’m joined by Sarah Temel, licensed trauma therapist, IFS practitioner, and founder of No Bad Charts, to explore the deeply supportive intersection of Internal Family Systems (IFS) and evolutionary astrology. ____________________________ We dive into: 🌙 How astrology-informed IFS uses the birth chart as a fluid map of your soul’s lesson plan 🌙 How to use chart placements to identify trailheads, parts, legacy burdens, and Self-energy 🌙 The meaning of the twelve Houses and how they reflect different areas of life and parts of the psyche 🌙 Why no chart is a bad chart, and how astrology can be a tool for self-reflection, compassion, and curiosity 🌙 Reflective questions that help integrate astrology and IFS in personal and clinical work   This episode is an invitation to meet your system with more clarity and compassion, using the ancient language of the stars with the grounded wisdom of IFS. Whether you’re astrology-curious or already fluent, Sarah’s insight will deepen your appreciation for both modalities!   Plus, Sarah uses my birth chart as examples during the conversation and no surprise, my mind was BLOWN away by what she shares.  I'm so excited for you to listen in!   ________________________ ✨ Meet Our Guest: Sarah Temel, LCSW Sarah is an IFS-trained, licensed trauma therapist passionate about the intersection of human spirituality and healing from adversity. She is the founder of No Bad Charts, where she teaches others to integrate IFS-inspired astrology into clinical and personal work. Sarah is also an EMDRIA-certified therapist, a consultant-in-training, and is pursuing credentialing in drama therapy. Through her New Jersey-based private practice, Imagine Healing, and her spiritual consulting platform Window-Within.com, Sarah offers individual sessions, workshops, and semi-private groups for clinicians and seekers alike. _____________________________ 🔗 Connect with Sarah Temel 🌐 NoBadCharts.com 🌐 ImagineHealingTrauma.com 📸 Instagram: @nobadcharts 🌿 Window-Within.com   _____________________________   Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*    

Longing and heartache—two deeply human experiences that touch us all. In this conversation with Susan Poznyansky, LICSW (they/them), founder of Heart of Caldera (HOC), we explore the tender terrain of what it means to long, ache, and hold space for the parts of us that carry these emotions.   Susan and I share a love for lakes—their stillness, their depth—and reflect on the parts of us that feel more cautious around the vastness of the ocean.  From this imagery, we dive into the three major themes of longing and heartache: 🌿 Longing for connection – the deep yearning to be seen and held. 🌿 Longing for choices not made – the what-ifs, the parallel paths that remain unexplored. 🌿 Grief for what we have had but no longer hold – the ache of change, transition, and loss.   Throughout our conversation, we bring an Internal Family Systems (IFS) lens to longing and heartache, exploring: 🌀 The parts of us connected to longing—how they show up and what they need. 🌀 Polarizations within our system—how internal conflicts influence the way we experience longing and heartache. 🌀 Ways to be with longing rather than trying to fix, numb, or push it away.   This episode is an invitation to sit with your longing, honor your heartache, and listen to the wisdom within both. Whether you resonate with deep-seated yearning, nostalgia, or grief, you are not alone in these experiences. ___________________________ About Susan Susan Poznyansky is a licensed clinical social worker and the founder of Heart of Caldera (HOC), a social enterprise dedicated to holding space for individuals as they cultivate self-compassion and personal courage on their journey to living fully and authentically. Through HOC, Susan co-guides with people on their unique paths to wholeness in this precious life experience. Identifying as non-binary, queer, neurodivergent (ADHD), and a person living with a chronic illness, Susan brings a deeply personal and compassionate approach to their work. Originally from Brooklyn, NY, and the first generation of their family born in the U.S. to Ukrainian Jewish immigrants, Susan's love for nature was nurtured during summers spent in the Borscht Belt. Now residing on the breathtaking Olympic Peninsula, the ancestral land of the Skokomish people, Susan enjoys fishing, writing, swimming, hiking, mushroom foraging, watching Marvel movies, hammocking, and indulging in their favorite hobby: hurkle-durkling (a cozy state of lounging). Susan is also a proud member of Jewish Voice for Peace and continues to create spaces for reflection, healing, and transformation.   _______________________ Connect with Susan & Heart of Caldera 🌍 Website: ifswellness.com 📷 Instagram: @heart_of_caldera_ifs 📘 Facebook: Heart of Caldera IFS   💫 Explore Susan’s work, retreats, and offerings at Heart of Caldera—a space for deep healing, connection, and self-discovery. _______________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*  

What if the key to clarity, aliveness, and deep relaxation was already within your body—waiting to be awakened? In this episode, I sit down with my long-time mentor and friend, Jessica Lichaa, a fascia and nervous system specialist, to explore the profound connection between fascia, stored energy, and nervous system regulation. We dive into the body’s role in healing, the impact of tension and unresolved energy, and how awakening the fascia can discharge stored trauma and restore balance. Jessica explains the difference between top-down vs. bottom-up processing, the significance of ventral vs. dorsal relaxation, and how we can work with fascia to shift from dysregulation to deep nervous system healing. To close the episode, Jessica guides us through a fascial awakening exercise designed to bring clarity, aliveness, and ventral relaxation, so you can experience this work firsthand. Whether you’re curious about somatic healing, looking for practical tools to regulate your nervous system, or just want to understand why fascia holds the key to transformation, this episode is packed with insights and embodiment practices you won’t want to miss! Topics Discussed: What is the body, really? How tension impacts the body and nervous system Fascia and its role in nervous system regulation The importance of fascial discharging and fascial awakening Top-down vs. bottom-up processing in healing How to invite fascial awakening & discharge into your practice Dorsal relaxation vs. ventral relaxation (and why it matters) Guided fascial awakening exercises for clarity, aliveness, and deep relaxation About Jessica Lichaa: Jessica Lichaa is a fascia and nervous system specialist dedicated to helping people release stored traumas, energetic imprints, and hormonal residues trapped in the body’s tissues. Through her Fascia Awakening method, she bridges fascia intelligence, nervous system regulation, and consciousness to support deep healing and transformation. With over 16 years of experience in yoga, energy healing, and somatic work, Jessica guides others in rewiring their body-mind connection for greater resilience, empowerment, and conscious awakening. Currently based in San Jose, CA, she will be relocating to Portland, Oregon, in April 2025. Connect with Jessica: 🌎 Website: www.fasciaawakening.com 📷 Instagram: @fasciaawakening ___________________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*    

What if creativity could become one of your most powerful tools for self-discovery and healing?  In this episode, I sit down with Lynn Motley, a licensed mental health therapist and Internal Family Systems (IFS) practitioner, to explore the powerful intersection of Soul Collage® and parts work. We dive into how Soul Collage® serves as a creative and intuitive practice to externalize and connect with different parts of ourselves, fostering self-discovery, healing, and integration. Lynn shares the “hints” (not rules!) of Soul Collage®, how to use it to represent polarized parts, and how to dialogue with your cards for deeper insight. We also discuss how the suits of Soul Collage® parallel aspects of IFS, and how intuitive and directive card-making can support emotional and spiritual growth. Whether you're new to Soul Collage® or a seasoned creator, this episode is packed with insights and inspiration that will leave you eager to pick up scissors, glue, and images to start your own healing journey. _____________________________ Topics Discussed: What is Soul Collage® and how does it work? The “hints” (not rules!) for making Soul Collage cards Weaving Internal Family Systems (IFS) and parts work into Soul Collage Representing polarized parts in cards Dialoguing with your cards for deeper insight Externalizing parts through visual expression Intuitive vs. directive card-making approaches Understanding the suits of Soul Collage® and their parallels with IFS The power of using “I am one who…” as a reflection tool Creative ways to use your Soul Collage® deck for ongoing self-discovery ____________________________ About Lynn Motley: Lynn Motley, LCSW, is a licensed mental health therapist, IFS practitioner, and Soul Collage facilitator dedicated to helping individuals and couples find wholeness and well-being through psychotherapy, movement, embodied learning, and creative arts. She integrates Internal Family Systems (IFS) and Soul Collage® in her work, creating a non-pathologizing approach to self-discovery and healing. Lynn also teaches Radical Self-Care Yoga, facilitates monthly Soul Collage® gatherings, and leads workshops and retreats designed to foster personal transformation. She believes that life itself is a canvas for exploration, and that creativity and movement are powerful tools for deeper self-understanding. She lives in Lexington, KY, with her husband and enjoys hiking, mixed media art, Soul Collage, yoga, and dancing. _______________________________ Connect with Lynn Motley: 🌎 Website: www.lynnmotley.com 📧 Email: lynnmotleylcsw@gmail.com 📞 Phone: 859-948-5817 ___________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*    

Do you find yourself constantly striving, doing, and achieving—only to feel exhausted, unfulfilled, or out of alignment? In this deeply relatable and thought-provoking episode, I sit down with therapist and life coach Allyson Blythe to explore the "Accomplisher" part within us—a part I personally relate to and deeply share in. Together, we unpack the cultural and personal forces that drive us to wear busyness as a badge of honor, seek worth through achievement, and fall into the traps of perfectionism, performing, and pleasing—the "Dishonoring P’s" that Allyson so brilliantly identifies. We delve into how fear often fuels the accomplisher, leading to burnout, illness, and imbalance, and how our culture praises these tendencies, further reinforcing unhealthy patterns. But this isn’t just about pointing out the challenges; it’s about finding the beauty and value in the accomplisher part while learning how to bring it into balance. Through self-awareness, reflection, and intentional practices, Allyson offers tools to reconnect with your core values, realign with your flow, and honor the accomplisher within without letting it take over. This conversation isn’t just insightful—it’s a lifeline for those of us who feel like we’re doing it all but missing something deeper. ___________________________ Topics Discussed: The "Accomplisher" part: its value and its pitfalls Aligning with how we’re doing, not just what we’re doing The cultural obsession with busyness as a badge of honor Legacy burdens of accomplishing and seeking worth through achievement Fear as the driving force behind over-accomplishing and its toll on mental and physical health Allyson’s "Dishonoring P’s": perfectionism, performing, and pleasing The importance of self-awareness in finding balance and reclaiming flow Practical strategies to reflect on and connect with your accomplisher part. ___________________________ About Allyson Blythe: Allyson Blythe is a Certified Life Coach and Licensed Clinical Social Worker with over 30 years of experience helping people uncover their true potential by breaking free from limiting beliefs and behaviors. Her work focuses on equipping individuals with tools to create success from the inside out by aligning their daily choices with their core values. Allyson is the author of Misunderstood: Rewriting The Rules of Dignity & Self-Respect and The Enlightened Empath and hosts the podcast The ALLY Effect. She brings authenticity, courage, and a wealth of wisdom to her work with individuals and groups.   Connect with Allyson: Phone: 859-341-7773 Website: www.AllysonBlythe.com Email: allysonblythe@live.com ___________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

In this powerful and enlightening episode, I sit down with Natalie Hoffman, author of All the Scary Little Gods, to discuss her journey of deconstructing from emotional and spiritual abuse, and helping others do the same. We explore the deep work of deprogramming from rigid belief systems and aligning your faith with your core values. Natalie Hoffman shares insights on alleviating shame tied to mental health and faith, and how writing from and for your parts can facilitate profound healing. Together, we dive into the impacts of spiritual abuse, the challenge of being excommunicated by your church and family for questioning religious institutions, and the lies that rigid beliefs instill—such as the idea that faith and God are confined to a church. Natalie Hoffman offers hope and wisdom for overcoming the fear and shame perpetuated by these systems, and the courage it takes to speak out, especially as a woman. We also explore the transformative power of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy, including empathetic witnessing, solo parts work, and how to use these tools for healing, emotional intelligence, and reclaiming your spirituality. This episode is for anyone questioning their faith, seeking to break free from fear-based religious programming, or searching for a deeper connection to their true self and spiritual beliefs. _______________________ Topics Discussed: Natalie’s book, All the Scary Little Gods Helping women with spiritual and emotional abuse in religious contexts Deprogramming and deconstructing from rigid belief systems Aligning faith with core values and personal resonance Alleviating shame connected to mental health and faith Writing from parts to connect with parts The power of empathetic witnessing in IFS therapy Solo parts work for healing and emotional intelligence Impacts of spiritual abuse on mental health Being excommunicated by a church or family for questioning beliefs Fear and shame created by rigid religious programming The lie that God and faith are confined to a church Letting go of fear instilled by religious teachings Speaking out and reclaiming your voice as a woman Tune in for an inspiring and thought-provoking conversation that will challenge you to explore, heal, and redefine your relationship with faith and spirituality. ___________________ Natalie Hoffman is the author of Is It Me? Making Sense of Your Confusing Marriage and All the Scary Little Gods, as well as the host of the Flying Free podcast. A mother, grandmother, educator, and passionate advocate, Natalie is dedicated to empowering women of faith in abusive homes and religious communities. Through her Flying Free Sisterhood program, Natalie provides education, support, and mentorship, helping women discover their voices, embrace their gifts, and make adult choices for their spiritual, emotional, and physical well-being. Listeners can connect with Natalie and access resources on her website at www.flyingfreenow.com. By signing up on her homepage, you'll receive a free chapter of her book Is It Me? and its companion workbook. This chapter is designed to help assess whether you're in an emotionally abusive relationship—an often confusing experience for many victims. Discover more about Natalie’s work and her mission to inspire healing and freedom for women of faith. ____________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/   Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact    Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

In this heartfelt and thought-provoking episode, I sit down with my longtime friend Christina Jelesky to discuss our journeys of becoming sober curious. From wild college nights to the reflective moments in our 20s and 30s, we explore the evolution of our relationship with drinking and the profound impact it has had on our lives. Together, we delve into the health challenges that pushed us to reexamine our choices, the sometimes surprising reactions from others, and the internal conflicts we’ve faced along the way. We share candid stories about navigating weddings, reunions, and social gatherings without alcohol and the clarity that comes from asking the questions, "Why am I drinking?" and "What is it adding to my life?" We also celebrate the joys of the sober curious lifestyle, including our favorite mocktail brands and non-alcoholic beverages like Curious Elixirs, Topo Chico, Athletic Brewing, Bero, and more. Whether you're exploring a sober curious path or just seeking inspiration, this episode invites you to get curious and embrace the possibilities of life beyond alcohol.   Important Note: If you or someone you know is struggling with alcohol use, please seek support from a mental health professional or contact your nearest Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) group. There are resources and communities ready to help you on your journey to wellness. You don’t have to navigate it alone. ___________________________ Topics Discussed: College drinking culture and its impact Navigating drinking in our 20s and 30s Health issues related to alcohol use The decision to greatly reduce/abstain from alcohol Reactions from others to choosing not to drink Internal conflicts and polarization around drinking Social experiences without alcohol (parties, weddings, reunions) Asking the big questions: "Why am I drinking?" and "What is it adding?" Favorite mocktail companies and non-alcoholic drinks Tune in and join us on this eye-opening exploration of a life less ordinary, one sober curious step at a time!  _____________________________ About Christina: Christina Jelesky is the founder and Executive Creative Director of Piper & Co Creative Studio and a proud Tampa native. A graduate of the University of Kentucky with a degree in Merchandising, Apparel, and Textiles, Christina’s lifelong passion for artistry began at a young age, designing clothing with her grandmother. Her creative journey includes designing her alma mater’s official plaid and managing The Scout Guide Tampa Bay & St. Petersburg for over a decade. Beyond her creative pursuits, Christina is active in the Tampa community, enjoys CrossFit, and cherishes time with her husband and their four daughters (all with "P" names), along with their dog, Phoebe.   Connect with Christina: Email: hello@piperandcocreative.com  Instagram: @piperandco.creative _______________________________   Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/   Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact    Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

In this special episode, Tammy Waldron, founder of Towanda Wellbeing, leads a calming and transformative guided meditation designed to help you connect with your intuition for deep healing. Tammy invites you to tap into your inner wisdom, quiet the mind, and align with your True Self. Whether you're new to intuitive practices or looking to deepen your connection, this meditation offers a supportive space to release blocks, cultivate clarity, and harness the healing power within. Take a moment, find a quiet space, and allow Tammy to guide you on this journey to reconnect with your intuition. ______________________________________ Connect with Tammy Waldron:   Schedule a 30-minute discovery call here: https://calendly.com/towandawellbeing/30min    Website: https://www.towandawellbeing.com/    Email: tammy@towandawellbeing.com    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tammy-waldron/    Linktree: https://linktr.ee/towandawellbeing    _________________________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/   Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact    Instagram: @nataliedeering  

In this illuminating episode, I'm joined by Tammy Waldron, founder of Towanda Wellbeing and a seasoned Advanced ThetaHealing® Teacher and Practitioner, to explore the transformative power of intuition in healing. Tammy shares her profound insights on connecting to Source energy (Self/Higher Self energy) and how intuitive abilities—often expressed through the "claires" (clairvoyance, clairaudience, etc.)—can deepen our healing journeys. We discuss how parts in Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy can sometimes block intuition, and Tammy provides practical strategies for unblending from these parts to reconnect with intuitive wisdom. Learn how to strengthen your intuition through daily practices, discernment, and muscle testing to bridge the subconscious and the body. Tammy and I also reveal ways to integrate intuition into IFS work, creating stronger connections to yourself and others while preventing burnout through intentional intuition practices. This episode culminates in a special guided meditation led by Tammy to help you tap into your own intuitive abilities and connect with your higher Self. Whether you’re an IFS practitioner, someone curious about ThetaHealing®, or seeking new ways to deepen your personal healing journey, this episode is filled with actionable insights and inspiration.   About Tammy Waldron:   Meet Tammy Waldron, founder of Towanda Wellbeing and a passionate guide for wellness practitioners, healers, and truth-seekers looking to align with their True Selves. With over a decade of experience, Tammy leads the transformative R.I.S.E. Program (Reignite Intuition & Self-Expression), a year-long integrative certification that blends powerful modalities like ThetaHealing®, Silent Counseling, and Gene Keys. Through this holistic program, participants learn to release limiting beliefs, heal emotional wounds, and reconnect with their intuition, offering tools to create lasting transformation. Tammy empowers individuals to move from trauma to freedom, overwhelm to clarity, and stagnation to harmony, fostering deep healing, intuitive growth, and an aligned life of purpose. __________________________________ Topics Covered: Connecting to Source energy (Self/Higher Self energy) Exploring intuitive abilities through the "claires" When parts block intuition and how to work through it Strengthening discernment and practicing intuition Muscle testing to connect with the subconscious and body Integrating intuition into IFS work to deepen self-connection Preventing burnout with intuitive practices A guided meditation to connect with your intuition Tune in for an episode that blends spirituality, intuition, and evidence-based practices to empower your journey toward healing and connection. ______________________________________ Tammy Waldron Resources:   Schedule a 30-minute discovery call here: https://calendly.com/towandawellbeing/30min    Website: https://www.towandawellbeing.com/    Email: tammy@towandawellbeing.com    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tammy-waldron/    Linktree: https://linktr.ee/towandawellbeing    I hope you can join my FREE Monthly Healing Circle—https://www.towandawellbeing.com/healing-circles    Freebie Link!! https://connect.towandawellbeing.com/widget/form/SomIxu2FfoaX5W4x69Vp?notrack=true   ___________________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/   Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact    Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

In this episode, Natalie sits with friend of the pod, Nicki Slattery, to discuss astrology and how it impacts our relationships.     Topics Discussed: 1. How astrology can help you and your relationships (romantic and family) 2. The history of astrology and the impact of gravity 3. What is a sun sign and moon sign 4. Synastry chart vs. Composite chart for relationships 5. Nicki reads Natalie's synastry and composite chart regarding her relationship with her husband, Bill   __________________________ Nicki Slattery of Golden Spark Tarot, combines the practical with the magical, in her metaphysical coaching practice & financial planning business.  When you sit down with Nicki for a Tarot, Palm or Natal Chart reading, you will understand your subconscious roadblocks more deeply, as well as the actions to take to create the best future possible.  Nicki also facilitates an in depth analysis of your personality, destiny and unique prosperity codes to connect to your greatest abundance.  To complement the intangible with the tangible, Nicki helps clients visualize, plan & invest to realize their dreams.     IG @goldensparktarot   Schedule an Astrological Assessment here   Schedule a Prosperity Activation session here   Golden Spark Tarot Site   Get the Design Your Magical Life Guide here, includes your Natal Chart + Tarot Life time card   ____________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________ Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email ndwellness.services@therapysecure.com for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*