The Keenly Podcast

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Gossip In Ministry

2026-02-0639:58

Rumor has it… this week’s conversation is all about gossip. Chad, Jason, and Ava unpack how rumors often begin not with bad intent, but with curiosity filling the gaps where communication is unclear or siloed. When questions go unanswered, assumptions form, frustration grows, and what felt small can quickly become destructive. Through reflection and real leadership scenarios, they explore how speculation takes root and challenge leaders to own their role in shaping transparency and healthier ...

Clear Communication

2026-01-3035:19

Chad and Jason explore what happens when leaders assume clarity that isn’t actually shared. This conversation invites leaders to identify unexamined leadership jargon, recognize how perception shapes reality, and build a culture of feedback where messages are tested, refined, and actually understood by the people they’re meant to reach.

Healthy Growth

2026-01-2335:14

In this episode, Chad and Jason wrestle with a question many ministry leaders feel but rarely slow down to define: what does healthy growth actually look like? While churches often default to numbers to measure success, this conversation challenges the idea that growth is purely numeric. Instead, they explore how true health is found in alignment, life change, and shared clarity around what really matters. Through stories of transformation and honest reflection, they contrast business-style m...

Ministry Metrics

2026-01-1631:46

Chad and Jason unpack how churches often borrow business-style scorecards like attendance, giving, number of programs and then quietly use those numbers to compare, compete, and judge success. Instead, they argue that the most important ‘metric’ is transformation: real stories of people growing, healing, serving, and living on mission. Through a rural church case study and honest reflections on board expectations and pastoral pressure, they contrast transactional metrics with a transformation...

Why We Are Starting a Podcast?

2026-01-0909:21

In this very first episode of the Keenly Podcast, we’re keeping it real. Chad Murrell and Jason Lehman sit down to talk about the heart behind Keenly and why we decided to step into the podcast space in the first place. It’s our first episode, which means there are a few glitches, plenty of learning along the way, and a lot of genuine conversation. But at the core is a simple desire: to help pastors and ministry leaders understand what’s happening, define a meaningful path forward, tell...

Episode 4: Nostalgia might be hurting your ministry

2023-05-1010:24

We know what it's like to have a nostalgic moment and be taken back to a memory years ago. The emotion of that memory has a powerful effect on us. While there are a lot of good things about nostalgia, it can influence how a ministry makes decisions if we are not careful.

Episode 3: E3... An approach to simplify your communication

2023-03-1310:27

We've all been there. We are in a moment to share what we do or what our ministry is about and we find ourselves feeling unprepared. The E3 approach is a simple way to structure a presentation into 3 steps that are easy to remember.

Episode 2: Perspective - Our very own vantage point

2023-03-0812:03

We all see things a different way. That unique point of view can be a help or a barrier to good communication in your ministry.

Episode 1: An Introduction - The story and heart behind Ministry Edge

2023-03-0112:54

Hear from Jason Lehman on his ministry journey, observations about ministry challenges and hopes for Ministry Edge and the tools and resources planned in the coming season.

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