Less Talk, More Action

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen sit down with Luke Winston-Almanzar, Co-Founder and CEO of Reservoir, to explore why hot water is one of the biggest, most overlooked energy hogs in the home and how next-generation heat pump water heaters can dramatically cut energy use while improving comfort. They discuss Google's new Michigan data center and its focus on energy affordability, the massive opportunity in modernizing water heating, how intelligence and recirculation can deliver "no wait" showers while saving thousands of gallons of water, and how smarter hot water systems can act as thermal batteries to support the grid and time-of-use rates. Key takeaways include the scale of hot water's energy impact, the importance of making sustainable products genuinely better (not just greener), and why integrating smart hardware, software, and home services is crucial to accelerating home electrification. Highlights from this week’s conversation include: Welcome to Today’s Episode (0:59) Google Data Center and Energy Impact Fund (1:40) AI Emissions and Shift From Net Zero Talk (3:42) Luke’s Background and Reservoir Overview (5:56) Problem With Traditional Hot Water Systems (8:25) No-Wait Showers and Water Recirculation (10:42)   Gas vs. Electric and the Spark Gap Question (12:49)   Luke’s Journey to Founding Reservoir (15:31)   Hot Water as 20% of Home Energy Use (18:52)   Boston Launch and Tesla-Like Install Experience (21:57)   Competing With Legacy Water Heater Brands (23:51)   Hot Water Tanks as Thermal Batteries (28:06)   Multi-Family Projects and Missing Home “Brain” (30:56)   Why Heat Pump Water Heaters Took So Long (34:03)   Too Many Apps and Need for System Integration (37:01)   Funding, Traction, and Climate Optimism (40:16)   The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include: Previewing Today’s Episode with Bob Clark (0:56) Owen Takes on the Trump Administration’s Voluntary Data Center Pledge (3:02)   Why Non-Binding Net Zero and AI Commitments Keep Failing (4:39)   The White House “Ratepayer Protection” Pledge and Its Limits (5:49)   Chamath’s Idea: Free Solar and Batteries for Homeowners (8:17)   Transition from Policy Rant to Interview with Bob Clark (10:39)   AI in the Classroom and the Erosion of Student Creativity (13:42)   What’s Wrong with Career and Technical Education Leadership (15:58)   CTE as a National Defense Issue and the Cost of Skilled Labor (20:11)   Can the Current Republican Moment Actually Help the Trades? (27:05)   Energy Reality Check: Natural Gas, Electrification, and Grid Efficiency (29:13)   Policy Made by People Who Can’t Wire a Light Switch (32:42)   Education Politics, Labs as Museums, and Real Hands-On Learning (37:21)   Why Technicians Are Largely Bulletproof to AI (41:17)   Final Thoughts, What Gives Bob Hope, and the Call for Accountability (43:32)   The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at www.lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen sit down with Cooper Marcus, CEO and “Chief Quitter” of QuitCarbon, to explore why home electrification is so confusing, expensive, and hard to execute, and how his company acts like a free “owner’s rep” for homeowners. They discuss the gap between cutting-edge climate tech and what typical contractors recommend, the tension between net zero regulations and energy affordability (with examples from New York), and the importance of whole-home planning versus piecemeal upgrades. Cooper shares his journey from PG&E data science leader to climate entrepreneur, explains how QuitCarbon helps homeowners navigate incentives, contractors, and technology choices, and offers hopeful insight into how plug-and-play clean technologies and better guidance can make decarbonizing homes accessible to everyday people. Highlights from this week’s conversation include: Intro To Podcast, Hosts, And Guest Cooper Marcus (0:57) Why Home Electrification Is So Hard and the Need for an “Owner’s Rep” (3:19) Joel’s 2026 Prediction: Climate Policy vs Energy Affordability in New York (5:20) Branding, Financial Reality, and Why Climate Efforts Turn People Off (7:37) Cooper’s Mission: Helping Homeowners Take Action With Confidence (10:27) The Spark for Starting QuitCarbon (13:30) Whole-Home Planning vs Piecemeal Upgrades (17:15) How QuitCarbon Tracks Incentives and Tailors Advice to Each Market (21:00) Joel’s Old New York Home, Mini-Splits, and the Hydronic Heat Pump Question (24:50) Why Contractors Can’t Always Be State-of-the-Art (29:03) How Homeowners Find QuitCarbon (33:30) Hope for the Future: Plug-and-Play Clean Tech and Falling Barriers to Entry (39:12) The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at www.lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel Cesare explores the idea of the “libertarian environmentalist,” arguing that in 2026 government regulation is often slowing down, not accelerating, building decarbonization. Drawing on stories from his work on a billion-dollar Bay Area transit project (escalators with energy-saving controls) and the net-zero Santa Monica City Hall extension (composting toilets and water reuse), he shows how well-intended rules can create years of delay and bureaucracy. Joel contrasts UK energy performance regulations (EPCs) and U.S. building performance standards with market-driven action, suggesting many owners don’t believe these rules will ever be meaningfully enforced. He also critiques the slow, fragmented rollout of Inflation Reduction Act funds compared to private-sector efforts like Tesla’s Supercharger network. The key takeaway: we may now get further, faster by reducing regulatory friction and letting innovators and building owners pursue efficiency and decarbonization because it’s economically smart, rather than because they’re forced to comply. Highlights from this week’s conversation include: Introduction and libertarian environmentalist framing (0:56) Escalator Energy Savings Blocked by Regulation (3:12) Fighting Cal OSHA to Approve Smart Escalator Controls (6:27) Santa Monica City Hall Project and Net Zero Water Goal (9:41) Composting Toilets, Water Codes, and Multi-Agency Approvals (12:55) UK Energy Performance Certificates Compared to U.S. BPS Rules (16:08) Why Building Owners Doubt Enforcement of Climate Regulations (19:22) Inflation Reduction Act, EV Charging, and Green Bank Bottlenecks (22:36) Case for Libertarian Environmentalism and Call for Counterexamples (25:10) The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen sit down with David Stover, Co-Founder and CEO of Bureo, a company that transforms discarded fishing nets into high-performance materials for brands like Patagonia, Outerknown, Nike, and Costa. The conversation traces David’s journey from corporate finance to mission-driven entrepreneurship, the early days of collecting nets and making skateboards in Chile, and how Bureo evolved into a global circular-materials supplier through its NetPlus program. They dive into the economics and challenges of competing with cheap virgin plastic, the potential of sectors like apparel and automotive, and the importance of pairing environmental impact with financial viability. The episode also touches on broader themes like the politicization of environmental issues, the role of consumers and younger generations in driving change, why taking action now rather than waiting for policy is critical for building a cleaner, more responsible future, and so much more.  Highlights from this week’s conversation include: Welcome to Today’s Episode (0:58) Joel’s LA Property Sale, Taxes, and 1031 Exchange Dilemma (1:39)   Why Multifamily Is Not Passive and Mentions Short Term Rental Loophole (3:53)   Using Real Estate as a Clean Energy and Decarb Testbed (5:31)   Introducing David Stover and Bureo’s Mission to Transform Fishing Nets (8:13)   From Garage Skateboards to Global Network and Brand Partnerships (10:03)   Why Chile Became the Launchpad For Bureo’s Net Collection Program (12:19)   The Surfing Aha Moment and Seeing Plastic Crisis Firsthand in Indonesia (14:36)   Leaving Corporate Jobs to Build a Mission Driven Company (16:56)   Pivoting From Branded Products to Supplying NetPlus Materials to Big Brands (20:22)   The Economics of Recycled Nylon vs Cheap Virgin Plastic (24:59)   Why Automotive and EVs Are a Huge But Price Sensitive Opportunity (28:13)   How Much Fishing Net Waste Exists and Bureo’s Path to Scaling Collection (31:59)   The Costs, Risks, and Reality of Running Physical Recycling Infrastructure (34:52)   How Bad Ocean Plastic Really is and Parallels to Renewables and EVs (36:53)   Politicization Of Environmental Issues and the Role Of Consumers (40:06)   Climate, Regulation, and Why Waiting For Policy is Not Enough (44:17)   Why the Younger Generation Gives David Hope For the Future (47:48)   Where to Find NetPlus Products and Bureo’s Solar Powered Facility in Chile (49:46)   The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at www.lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen talk with John Reister, Founder and CEO of GoPowerEV, about why EV charging in multifamily buildings is so challenging and how his company is addressing it. They cover the complexity of utilities, permitting, electrical capacity upgrades, and tenant conflict, and explain how personal space chargers, smart energy management, and a turnkey model for landlords can avoid expensive service upgrades while keeping chargers highly reliable. John also shares how this infrastructure is evolving into a virtual power plant that can eventually use bidirectional EVs to support the grid and potentially let drivers charge at very low or no net cost, underscoring that economics and convenience, not ideology, will ultimately drive mass EV and clean tech adoption.Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcome to Today’s Episode (0:59)Bureaucracy, Ford vs Ferrari, and Big-Company Speed (3:11)  Joel’s AI Story and Legacy Firms Blocking New Tools (3:57)  Introducing John and GoPowerEV’s Focus on Multifamily (5:57)  Turnkey EV Charging Offering for Property Owners (7:14)  Why Multifamily EV Charging Is So Hard (10:11)  Shared Chargers, “Musical Chairs,” and Tenant Conflict (11:38)  Hardware Design, Uptime, and Modular Scalability (15:34)  Hybrid Level 1/Level 2 and App-Based Energy Management (17:17)  Dynamic Load Management and Avoiding Service Upgrades (21:41)  John’s Background and Why He Tackled This Problem (28:07)  Surveys, Convenience, and EV Access for Renters (33:07)  Virtual Power Plants and Using EVs to Support the Grid (36:21)  Utility Metering Model and Owner/Tenant Economics (38:55)  How EVs Can Offset New Grid Loads Like Data Centers (42:39)  Clean Tech Economics vs Old Narratives and Lobbies (45:02)  Closing Thoughts, Optimism, and How to Find GoPowerEV (49:31)  The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Ryan Yetzer, founder of Full Scope Asset Optimization, to talk about decarbonizing real estate without the ESG fluff. They debrief the IAM ESG & Decarbonizing Real Estate Forum, and debate whether AI will actually move the needle on decarbonization or just speed up “the 2% of bullshit at the beginning.” Ryan shares why he left a 17‑year career in institutional real estate to start his own shop, how he sells decarbonization as a financial and asset‑value play (not a “woke” initiative), and why basic projects like LED retrofits and building optimization are still massively underused. Key takeaways: follow the money and asset leakage; simplify instead of over‑report; stop confusing measurable E (energy/returns) work with abstract S and G; real progress comes from projects that actually get built, not just reported; and so much more. Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcome to the Episode and Nashville Conference Setup (1:02)Why Current ESG Conferences Feel Broken (2:15)Debate: “AI Is Not Going To Save Us” vs Joel’s Defense Of Decarb AI (4:45)Climate Movement, Six-Person Panels, and Calling Out Industry Timidity (7:30)Introducing Ryan Yetzer and His Mission With Full Scope Asset Optimization (10:28)Leaving Corporate America and The Reality Of Starting His Own Firm (13:45)Selling Decarbonization as a Financial Play, Not “Woke ESG” (16:31)Materiality, Investor Demands, and the Reporting Hamster Wheel (19:47)Asset Leakage, Easy Wins Like LED Retrofits, and Why They Still Don’t Happen (24:02)Dashboards No One Uses and The Gap Between Data and Action (27:46)Ideal Clients, Smaller Owners, and Reframing “Sustainability” as Saving Money (30:30)Startup Reality Check: Sales Cycles, Revenue Timelines, and Industry Slowness (36:04)What Gives Ryan Hope About the Future of Decarbonization (40:12)The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen sit down with Nate Adams, the “House Whisperer,” to discuss the realities of home decarbonization, electrification, and energy efficiency. Covering personal stories, contractor challenges, the importance of insulation and air sealing, hybrid HVAC solutions, and consumer education, the conversation gives practical insight into making real progress on sustainable home upgrades. Listeners will take away actionable tips on prioritizing upgrades and understanding the hurdles and opportunities in creating comfortable, efficient homes. Don’t miss this episode!Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcoming Nate to the Show and Previewing Today’s Topic (0:57)Challenges in Home Decarbonization Projects (4:41)Discussing Insulation and Contractor Issues (8:11)Nate’s Background and Industry Journey (10:11)Transition From Contracting to Consulting (16:40)Recruiting Young People Into the Trades (19:16)Joel’s Ongoing Heat Pump Struggles (19:56)Technical Challenges: Diagnosing Leaky Houses (23:29)Air Sealing and Insulation Course Discussion (26:41)Evaluating Old Homes Versus New Construction (28:03)Detailed Insulation Materials Debate (36:41)HVAC Sizing and Hybrid Solutions (47:54)Final Thoughts on Progress and Optimism in Climate Action (55:57)If you’re interested in Nate Smith’s course, use MOREACTION to get a 25% off. Learn more at natethehousewhisperer.com. The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen sit down with Deyl Kearin of DLP Capital to discuss how real estate can become a force for good through Purpose Driven Investments and community-focused action. They explore industry trends, the challenges of authenticity versus “talk” in sustainability, and the benefits of focusing on attainable housing and long-term stewardship. Key takeaways for listeners include the value of innovative impact investing, the importance of building thriving communities, strategies for fostering generational change, and actionable advice for making a meaningful difference in real estate and beyond. Don’t miss this great conversation!Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcome to Today’s Show and Previewing the Topic (0:56)Previewing the Nashville Conference and Industry Hopes (3:35)Conference Disappointments and Call for Action (6:37)Deyl Kearin’s Background and DLP Capital’s Mission (8:25)Impact Investing and Tenant Retention Strategies (12:41)Generational Shifts in Impact Investing Attitudes (17:51)Founding Story and Vision Behind DLP Capital (19:34)Deyl’s Personal Journey and Adventure Mindset (22:38)Industry Challenges and Evergreen Fund Advantages (28:40)Defining Attainable Housing and Final Optimistic Thoughts (34:28)The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Katie Neck, founder of Sustained Futures, as she shares lessons from Formula 1, explains the urgent need to close the global “green skills gap,” and discusses effective ways to upskill both corporate teams and young people for climate action. The conversation covers the evolution of sustainability in business, the pitfalls of overreliance on jargon and carbon offsets, and the power of entrepreneurial action and optimism in facing climate challenges. Listeners will gain insights into fostering practical climate solutions, the importance of accessible green education, actionable strategies for creating real impact in their communities and organizations, and so much more. Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcome to Today’s Episode with Katie Neck (0:58)Optimism in Climate and Skills Gap (3:07)Katie’s Path From F1 to Sustainability (6:06)F1’s Move Toward Sustainable Fuels (8:56)F1’s Environmental Strategies Discussed (11:47)Shift From Consulting to Entrepreneurship (14:22)Launching Sustained Futures (15:34)Winning First Client and Early Growth (18:29)Expanding Into U.S. Market (21:11)ESG Approaches Across Regions (23:12)Football and Building a Sustainability Brand (25:06)Procurement and Employee Upskilling Focus (27:03)Connecting Youth Education to Projects (29:48)Barriers to Hands-On Learning in Schools (31:26)Virtual Impact Academy Launch (36:05)Rethinking Public Versus Private Education (38:29)Alternative Learning Models Emerging (41:07)Hope for the Future and Call to Action (42:37)The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at www.lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome sustainability leader Anthony Guerrero to explore the challenges and opportunities in green building and urban housing. Anthony serves as the COO of Mindful MATERIALS and is the Founder of Sustainaprise. The conversation covers converting vacant office buildings into affordable residential spaces, navigating complex building regulations, and the benefits of co-living models for younger generations. Anthony also details the Mindful Materials Common Materials Framework, aiming to standardize and streamline sustainable building practices. Key takeaways include the urgent need for practical, customer-driven solutions in sustainability, the importance of holistic approaches that prioritize both people and the planet, and optimism about the growing movement toward action and transparency in the industry. Don’t miss this great conversation!Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcome to Today’s Episode (1:02)Introducing Anthony Guerrero and Episode Focus (3:40)Discussing Housing with No Windows and Regulatory Challenges (7:26)Podcast Goals and Learning from Founders (11:13)Mindful Materials and Office Conversion Concept (15:09)Deep Dive into Technical Barriers to Office Conversions (19:14)Regulations and Realities of Living Spaces Without Windows (23:09)The Co-Living Model and its Potential for Young Homeownership (27:41)NYC Office-to-Residential Case Study and Tax Incentives (31:15)Mindful Materials Framework’s Industry Impact (35:37)The Certification Maze and Building Owner Motivations (39:23)Is Green Building Succeeding? Grading the Movement (43:31)The Need for Holistic Solutions Beyond Decarbonization (47:41)Optimism and Ways Listeners Can Take Action (51:01)The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at www.lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome reflect on a transformative year in clean energy and real estate, discussing the ups and downs of the solar industry, the effects of policy shifts like the Inflation Reduction Act, and the current landscape for building decarbonization. The conversation highlights the challenges of stalled funding, the need for ambitious yet practical sustainability goals, the realities of implementing energy efficiency projects, and the importance of economic fundamentals in commercial real estate. Listeners will take away honest insights into what drives meaningful progress in sustainability and business, and an invitation to take bold action in the face of uncertainty. Don’t miss this great conversation! Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcome to the Episode and Taking Action (0:05)Solar Industry Growth and Challenges (3:08)AI, Cambio, and Driving Client Action (6:10)Reflections on Green Funding, Inflation Reduction Act, and Project Stalls (9:04)Market Realities, Electricity Prices, and Industry Optimism (12:10)Setting Ambitious Goals and Google’s Ethos (15:10)Decarbonizing Buildings: Lessons, Spark Gap, and Net Zero (18:10)The Role of AI, Shifting Corporate Commitments, and Market Uncertainty (21:10)Brown vs. Green Buildings, GRESB Scores, and Incentive Flaws (24:16)Closing Remarks, Holiday Wishes, and Podcast Outlook (27:15)The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at www.lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, it’s a solo episode as Joel challenges conventional climate narratives by exploring why fear-based messaging may backfire and proposing bold alternatives to build real impact. Drawing from recent debates and his own industry experience, he critiques overemphasis on carbon metrics and argues for redirecting climate funding into tangible efforts like affordable housing, energy cost reductions, and regenerative agriculture. Key takeaways include inspiring and empowering young people, scrutinizing unproductive climate spending, prioritizing solutions that deliver measurable benefits to both people and the planet, and so much more. Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Introduction and Podcast Purpose (0:56)Joel’s Background in Climate and Real Estate Sustainability (3:18)Discussion of Bill Gates’ Remarks and Climate Threat Framing (6:20)Why Fear-Based Storytelling Persists in Climate Advocacy (8:42)Redefining Impact: Housing, Energy Affordability, and Regulation (10:29)Downsides of Building Performance Standards for Housing (12:42)Youth Climate Anxiety and Inspiring Empowerment (14:02)Strategic Funding: Decarbonizing With 5% Capital (16:36)Investing in Regenerative Agriculture and Ocean Restoration (19:18)The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at www.lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen are joined by AI and sustainability pioneer Kevin Surace. The conversation dives into how AI is transforming solar energy projects, building efficiency, and the broader challenges of sustainability, from retrofitting icons like the Empire State Building to overcoming market barriers and upfront costs. Listeners will gain key insights on leveraging proprietary data for better solar analyses, the importance of realistic optimism in addressing climate change, practical advice for adopting innovative technologies in traditional industries, and so much more.Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcome to Today’s Episode (0:56)Reconnecting With Kevin and the Power Of AI (3:21)Creating Smarter Solar Layouts Using AI Data (6:00)AI’s Role In Content Creation and Workflow Automation (9:41)Kevin’s Sustainability Journey and the Empire State Building Project (12:45)Overcoming Market Barriers with Smart Retrofits (16:05)Breaking Down Upfront Costs and Payback Challenges (20:27)Engineering the Empire State Building Retrofit (24:07)The Science of Energy Efficiency Windows (27:46)The Future of Energy and The Rise Of Nuclear Power (34:00)Addressing Environmental Policy and Realistic Optimism (44:14)Change Management and Tackling Industry Skepticism (52:13)Advice for Building Successful AI Tools in Clean Tech (58:21)Hope for the Future and Parting Thoughts (1:01:29)The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at www.lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Ben Christensen, Founder and CEO of Cambium Carbon, joins Joel and Owen to discuss his entrepreneurial journey and how Cambium is redefining waste and climate solutions. The conversation explores innovative business strategies like the “Blue Ocean Strategy,” the company’s impact turning urban wood waste into valuable, sustainable products, and the challenges of shifting traditional forestry practices. Key takeaways for listeners include the power of finding unique market opportunities, the necessity of learning and adapting quickly, and the potential for technology and data, especially AI, to drive industry change. The episode closes with an optimistic outlook on society’s ability to create meaningful progress in the fight against climate change. Don’t miss it!Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcome to Today’s Episode (0:55)Unique Business Models and Non-Competitive Niches in Climate Tech (3:27)Challenges Estimating Market Size and Value of Niche Markets (6:09)Ben’s Entrepreneurial Background and Founding Cambium Carbon (8:37)The Problem of Urban Wood Waste and Building a Circular Economy (12:35)Evolving Business Model and Regional Expansion Strategy (18:10)Parallels Between Entrepreneurial Journeys and Advice to Young Founders (20:37)Product Expansion, Customer Demand, and Technology Innovations (24:30)Differentiation From Incumbents and Opportunities for Startups (32:33)Cambium Carbon’s Vision for a Tech-Native Global Forestry Company (34:48)Closing Remarks and Ben’s Message of Optimism for the Future (37:35)Where to Find Cambium Carbon and Final Wrap-Up (40:44)The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Kyle Hendricks, VP and Head of Sustainability at Equity Residential. The conversation explores how Equity Residential has outpaced its energy intensity reduction goals by empowering employees and integrating sustainability into its core business strategy. Key topics include the challenges of achieving measurable results in decarbonization, the evolving dynamics of building performance standards (BEPS), resident engagement, and the impact of regulatory and investor trends. Listeners will gain insights into actionable, business-driven sustainability, the importance of aligning environmental and financial goals, the future direction of sustainability leadership in real estate, and so much more. Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcoming Guest Kyle Hendricks & His Role (1:45)Equity Residential’s Approach to Sustainability (4:08)Early Energy Management Wins and Their Impact (7:19)Adapting to Rising Utility Costs and Company Buy-In (9:45)EUI Versus Net Zero: Choosing the Right Metric (12:15)Resident Engagement & Reducing Tenant Utility Costs (14:32)Capital Planning: Prioritizing Energy Projects (18:28)The Role of Company Culture and Project Execution (21:51)Minimums in Sustainability and Industry Standards (26:22)Investors, Reporting, and ESG Trends (28:44)Discussion on Building Performance Standards (34:43)Adapting to BEPS Challenges and Shifting Policies (38:16)The Future: Energy Affordability Over Emissions? (39:42)Culture, Team Structure & Ways to Drive Results (45:01)Reflections on Chicago and Optimism for Sustainability (48:34)Final Thoughts & What Gives Hope for the Future (49:58)The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Anneli Tostar, Co-founder and CEO of Tangible, for a candid discussion on revolutionizing the built environment. They dive into Anneli’s entrepreneurial journey, why tackling embodied carbon matters, and how technology, especially AI, can help make construction more efficient and sustainable. The conversation also critiques the obsession with ESG reporting, urging a shift toward real action and collaboration across the industry. Key takeaways include the need to focus on genuine impact, leveraging data for smarter building, maintaining optimism for climate action through innovation, and so much more. Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcome and Introduction to the Podcast and Guest (0:42)Discussing Challenges in Real Estate and Sustainability Implementation (3:57)Anneli Tostar Introduces Tangible and Its Mission (6:11)Target Audience and Key Users for Tangible's Technology (8:11)Anneli’s Journey Into Software Entrepreneurship and Fundraising (10:31)Realities of Fundraising and Critique of the VC Climate Space (14:09)Rethinking Decarbonization Solutions and the Role of Software (17:05)Tangible’s Product Features and Impact of AI in Construction (20:55)Moving From Embodied Carbon to Broader Construction Efficiency (24:18)Why Automation and Better Data Matter in Building Efficiency (26:50)Conversation on Why Industry Giants Don’t Innovate or Solve These Problems (29:46)Critique of ESG Reporting and Discussion About Industry Direction (33:02)The Future of Sustainability, AI’s Impact, and Hope for Meaningful Change (41:09)Closing Optimistic Thoughts and Where to Connect with Anneli (47:34)The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Shreyas Sudhakar, Founder and CEO of Vayu, about his fascinating journey from rocket science at SpaceX to driving home electrification through heat pump installation in California. The conversation covers the technical and economic benefits of heat pumps, the challenges of market adoption, policy incentives, and the need for quality service in the HVAC sector. The episode also explores the value of entrepreneurship in sustainability, busts common myths about heat pumps, and delivers practical takeaways for listeners passionate about actionable climate solutions. Key takeaway: real change in decarbonization comes from both technological innovation and delivering trustworthy, high-quality customer experiences. Don’t miss this episode!Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcome to the Show (0:23)Hosts Discuss Bill Gates’ View on Climate Change (3:51)The Case Against Alarmism in Climate Discourse (6:00)Shreyas Sudhakar’s Background and Mission (7:42)Launching a Heat Pump Installation Company (10:17)Explaining How Heat Pumps Work and Efficiency Benefits (12:14)Business Model and Partnering with Local Contractors (14:18)Transition from Rocket Science to Home Electrification (16:59)Startup Journey and Finding Product-Market Fit (19:34)Controlling Quality and the Full Project Cycle (22:39)Navigating Policy Incentives and the Inflation Reduction Act (26:35)The $50 Difference in Heat Pump Manufacturing (29:44)Structuring Electric Rates to Promote Electrification (31:48)Contractor Reputation and Customer Experiences (35:11)Approaches to Ducting and System Design Choices (39:29)Fuel Switching vs. Building Envelope Upgrades (41:06)Embracing Imperfection and Action in Decarbonization (43:19)Community Momentum and Hope for the Future (46:09)Shreyas’s Podcast, Newsletter, and Final Plugs (47:05)The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen sit down with Norman Crowley, Founder of CoolPlanet, to discuss bold new strategies for industrial decarbonization and the real-world impact of climate entrepreneurship. The conversation covers Norman’s journey from founding tech companies to leading a global sustainability business, future predictions on the evolution of Net Zero and ESG commitments, and why lasting change requires direct engagement with organizational decision-makers. Key takeaways include the importance of focusing on measurable business value, removing obstacles to fast action, building authentic relationships, embracing discomfort as a vital part of entrepreneurial success, and so much more. Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcome to Today’s Episode (1:27)Early Success Stories in Industrial Decarbonization (3:18)Bold Predictions for Net Zero and Future of ESG (4:21)Why ESG Departments Are Becoming Obsolete (6:22)Cool Planet’s Four Pillars Model for Saving Money (7:41)Value of Operational Drift Reporting and Quick Wins (9:41)The Importance of Speaking Directly to CEOs (12:50)Lessons Learned from Selling to the Wrong People (14:37)Norman’s Entrepreneurial Journey: From Welding to Tech (16:26)Transitioning Into Climate Tech After “An Inconvenient Truth” (18:26)Embracing Discomfort and the Joy of New Challenges (20:43)Building a Global Decarbonization Company (22:44)Advice on Enjoying the Pain and Fun of Entrepreneurship (25:07)Removing Barriers to Joy in Leadership and Client Work (27:38)Courage to Say No and Fire Difficult Clients (30:28)Building Authentic Relationships and Trust in Business (33:14)The Pitfalls of Complex Sales Motions and Over-Automation (34:52)Navigating Internal Company Politics and Decision Makers (38:14)Final Reflections on Hope for the Future and Market Leaders (41:36)Closing Thoughts and Ways to Connect with the Podcast (43:34)The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, David Goldstein, founder of Hydronic Shell Technologies, joins Joel and Owen to discuss the urgent challenge of decarbonizing existing buildings, particularly old, multi-family structures in New York City. The conversation addresses the technical and economic challenges of retrofitting occupied buildings, innovative solutions featuring exterior facade-integrated HVAC systems, and the realities of gaining buy-in from building owners. David also shares his entrepreneurial journey and reasons for optimism about the future of sustainable retrofits. Key takeaways include the need for scalable, cost-effective decarbonization solutions, the importance of continued R&D, the complex interplay of market forces, policy, and community impact in driving real climate action, and so much more. Highlights from this week’s conversation include:Welcome to Today’s Episode and the Urgency of Building Decarbonization (0:54)How a LinkedIn Callout Brought David Goldstein to the Podcast (3:40)The Challenge of Retrofitting New York City’s Old Buildings (7:10)Why Building Owners Hesitate to Invest in Retrofits (10:50)Breaking Down Facade-Integrated HVAC Systems for Occupied Buildings (14:00)David’s Path From Engineer to Climate Tech Entrepreneur (17:40)The Uphill Battle of Funding Pilots and Finding Traction (21:10)Bringing Prefab Retrofit Technology to New Construction (24:50)Overcoming Technical Hurdles in Electrifying Old Buildings (28:20)Retrofit vs. Rebuild: The Financial Reality for City Apartments (31:45)Why R&D and Policy Shifts Matter for the Future of Decarbonization (35:30)Reasons for Optimism and Parting Thoughts (39:05)The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.