The Marketing Millennials

AI is making Marketing faster than ever. But if faster just means more mediocre content, you’re not winning…you’re just creating more noise. Daniel sits down with Elizabeth Maxson Martinet, CMO of Contentful, to unpack how modern Marketing teams can balance speed, personalization, and quality in the age of AI. From why entry-level Marketers now need to think more like engineers, to how brands can use AI without creating “AI slop,” to why personalization is still wildly underused, Elizabeth shares what it actually takes to build a high-performing marketing team right now. They dive into the “great content collapse,” how to use AI to save time and money without losing the human element, and why ungating your content is one of the smartest plays in modern B2B Marketing. If you’re a Marketer trying to use AI more effectively without sacrificing creativity, strategy, or customer experience, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Elizabeth: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emaxson/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

Luxury skincare can’t just look beautiful anymore. It has to build trust, feel approachable, and actually work. And the brands that can balance all three are the ones that win. Daniel sits down with Blair Lancer, CMO of Lancer Skincare, to unpack how you modernize a legacy beauty brand without losing the clinical credibility and heritage that made it iconic in the first place. From bringing “your mother’s skincare brand” into a new generation, to balancing Dr. Lancer’s medical authority with Blair’s lifestyle-driven voice, to refreshing the brand without doing a full rebrand, Blair shares what it really takes to make a heritage brand feel relevant again. They also dive into influencer trust, why celebrity cachet doesn’t hit the same way it used to, and why transparency is the marketing hill Blair would die on. If you’re a Marketer trying to evolve a brand, connect with a younger audience, and build trust in a crowded category, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Blair: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/blair-lancer-596b3ba6/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

Marketers spend too much time chasing new ideas when the smartest move might be repeating the ones that already worked. Jay and Daniel break down one of the biggest time-saving strategies in modern Content Marketing: reposting and repurposing your best content.  They explain why audiences don’t remember most posts, why a 90-day repost window works incredibly well, and how brands can get better results by recycling top performers instead of constantly creating new content. Daniel shares how he tracks high-performing posts and reuses winning hooks across memes, videos, text posts, and more. Jay explains why Marketers overestimate how much their audience remembers and why repeating your core ideas is actually the fastest way to grow. If you feel like you’re running out of content ideas, this episode is your reminder that you probably already have everything you need. Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/

We all know social media is important. But what’s the difference between those who DO social media and those who are social media managers?  This episode’s guest, Jon-Stephen “JS” Stansel, breaks down what it really means to be a social media manager. Just because you have a car doesn’t make you a mechanic, and just because you have social media accounts doesn’t make you a manager. From scheduling content to making the content and posting it, managers wear a lot of hats. What’s within their actual scope and what’s not? How do you set your social media manager up for success? Plus, what does compromise look like as a manager when your client wants something that clashes with your strategy? JS gives an example of this and how making difficult decisions is just part of the job.  And, JS reveals why change has to happen little by little, even if you want to revamp things right away.  If you’re a marketer who wants to polish your social media operations, this is the episode for you.  ⁠https://customer.io⁠⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at ⁠https://customer.io/tmm⁠ Follow JS: LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/jsstansel/⁠ Follow Daniel: YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured⁠ Twitter: ⁠https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing⁠ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: ⁠www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials⁠ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: ⁠www.workweek.com

“Authenticity” is one of the most overused words in Marketing. And if you’re still chasing it like it’s a strategy, you’re already behind. Daniel sits down with Christina Le, Head of Marketing at Slate, to unpack what “authentic” content actually means in a world where every post is performative, reviewed, and optimized for attention. From why audiences don’t really want raw unfiltered honesty, to what people actually mean when they say “be authentic,” Christina shares how social teams can stop chasing gimmicks and start building a message that sticks. They also dive into why depth beats distribution in the age of AI sludge, how to avoid shiny object syndrome, and why social media only works when you treat it as social and media, not just posting and ghosting. If you’re a Marketer trying to win on social without burning out your team or pumping out forgettable content, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Christina: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thesechapters/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

Most Marketing gains right now aren’t coming from big overhauls. They’re coming from small, overlooked nuances. Jay and Daniel break down subtle shifts that are quietly driving major performance gains across email and AI search. They unpack why traditional listicles like “7 Tips” are getting outperformed by “Top Three,” “Number One,” and “Best” formats, especially in AI-powered search results. Daniel shares a smart AI content strategy most marketers aren’t using: leveraging tools like Perplexity and Claude not just to write, but to identify and curate authoritative sources that improve credibility and visibility. Jay also reveals a newsletter subject line test that contradicted years of advice…and boosted open rates by 20 percent simply by reintroducing edition numbers in brackets. If you want fast wins without rebuilding your entire Marketing strategy, this episode is all about the small changes that make a huge impact. Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/

SEO isn’t dead…but if you’re not adapting to how AI surfaces answers, you’re already behind. Daniel sits down with Mike Roberts, Founder of SpyFu and CEO of RivalFlow AI, to discuss what’s actually happening in search right now, from zero-click results and AI overviews to the new rules of ranking in a world powered by LLMs. Mike explains how traditional SEO principles still apply, but need to be sharpened. Four page rankings? They still matter.  They dive into how AI re-ranks results, why answering more competitor questions wins, how to close content gaps that are costing you traffic, and why most Marketers misuse data by creating stories after the fact instead of forming hypotheses first. If you’re a marketer trying to understand how to show up in AI search (without chasing hacks that will disappear in six months) this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Mike: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrspy/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

Email isn’t dead. But most Marketers are measuring it the wrong way. Daniel sits down with Naomi West, Senior Product Marketing Manager at Customer.io, to break down what actually makes a “good” email and why beautiful design, open rates, and fancy templates aren’t the metrics you should be obsessing over. From why web design trends fall apart inside the inbox, to why text-based emails often outperform heavily designed ones, Naomi unpacks the myths that are holding email marketers back. They also dive into lifecycle strategy, event-triggered emails, working with engineers, testing frameworks that actually produce statistically significant results, and why communication skills might matter more than any tool you use. If you’re an email marketer who wants to move beyond templates and start driving real engage ment and conversions, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Naomi: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomiwest1000/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

TV is exploding again. But most brands still don’t know how to make it work without blowing their budget. In this new mini-series brought to you by Tatari, Daniel sits down with Meghan Shea, Head of Growth at Bonafide Health, and Romano Bottini from Tatari, to break down how modern brands are using TV as a performance multiplier, not just a brand play. From fixing fragmented measurement and delayed reporting, to proving TV’s impact on CAC, branded search, Amazon halo, and retail growth, Meghan shares how Bonafide turned TV from a “nice to have” into a repeatable growth engine. They dive into Q1 wellness pushes, why linear still matters for older demographics, how to think about creative testing, and why scared money doesn’t make money when you’re trying to scale. If you’re a mid-market brand stuck between performance and brand (and wondering whether TV is worth it) this is the episode for YOU. Tatari helps brands run TV like a modern performance channel. Unlike most platforms that focus only on programmatic CTV, Tatari gives marketers access to all of TV - linear, streaming, programmatic CTV, and direct publisher inventory - in one platform. By combining premium inventory with transparent reporting and outcome-based measurement, Tatari lets growth teams evaluate TV the same way they evaluate paid search or paid social. The result: more control, better reach, and TV spend that can actually be tied back to business results. Learn more at ⁠http://bit.ly/40kwEAQ Follow Meghan: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meghantshea/ Follow Romano: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rbottini/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

Email performance still starts with one thing: the open. Jay and Daniel break down the subject line tests marketers aren’t running enough and why small, weird experiments often outperform “best practice” advice. They cover surprising tactics like all-caps subject lines, zero capitalization, recognizable emoji branding, and pattern interruption hooks that force a millisecond pause in the inbox. Jay shares high-performing psychology plays like the “accidental internal reveal” and reverse psychology subject lines that make readers open out of pure curiosity.  And, Daniel explains why most marketers give away too much upfront…and how curiosity beats clarity when it comes to getting the click. If your emails are getting ignored, this episode is a playbook of subject line tests you can run immediately to boost opens, engagement, and results. Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/

AI can produce content faster than ever…but if your brand feels generic, you’re already losing. Daniel sits down with Emma Robinson, Head of B2B Marketing at Canva, to unpack why human judgment, creativity, and brand conviction matter more than ever in an AI-powered Marketing world. From why visual storytelling encodes 74% faster in the brain, to how Canva thinks about brand as the long-term demand engine, Emma shares how elite teams use AI as leverage, not as a replacement for taste. They dive into balancing emotion and logic in enterprise buying, protecting creative standards internally, using AI beyond productivity gains, and why loyalty and brand equity will separate the best marketers from the rest. If you’re a marketer navigating AI, performance pressure, and brand building all at once, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Emma: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-robinson-mtkg/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennialsDaniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

Growing an audience is easy. Turning that audience into a real business is the part most marketers completely miss. And if you don’t understand the difference, you’re already behind. In this episode, Daniel sits down with Marc Sirkin, former CEO of Third Door Media and longtime builder behind brands like MarTech.org and Search Engine Land, to unpack what it really takes to grow a media company….and why eyeballs don’t automatically equal revenue. From why viral reach doesn’t guarantee conversions, to the danger of chasing new revenue streams too early, Marc shares lessons from decades of building audiences across nonprofits, publishing, and modern B2B marketing. They also dive into why performance marketing has warped how we measure success, how brand is becoming the last true moat in an AI-driven world, and why consistency beats chasing the next shiny tactic. If you’re a marketer trying to build trust, create sustainable growth, and avoid optimizing for the wrong metrics, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Marc: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcsirkin/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

TV isn’t just for billion-dollar brands anymore. And if you still think it is, you’re already behind. In this new mini-series brought to you by Tatari, Daniel sits down with Donna Lazaro (Senior Director of Brand Media at Gabb) and Anna O’Neill (Customer Success Team Lead, Platform at Tatari), to break down how modern brands are using linear and connected TV to drive real, measurable growth. From why Gabb added TV in 2023 to scale awareness and credibility, to treating TV like a performance channel instead of just a brand play, they unpack what TV actually looks like in 2026 and beyond. They dive into creative testing, halo impact across Meta and Google, measuring incrementality, scaling during moments like back-to-school and holiday, and why consistent brand presence wins long-term. If you’re a marketer wondering whether TV is still out of reach (or how to make it measurable and performance-driven) this is the episode for YOU. Tatari helps brands run TV like a modern performance channel. Unlike most platforms that focus only on programmatic CTV, Tatari gives marketers access to all of TV - linear, streaming, programmatic CTV, and direct publisher inventory - in one platform. By combining premium inventory with transparent reporting and outcome-based measurement, Tatari lets growth teams evaluate TV the same way they evaluate paid search or paid social. The result: more control, better reach, and TV spend that can actually be tied back to business results. Learn more at http://bit.ly/40kwEAQ Follow Donna: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donna-lazaro-1a1173192/ Follow Anna: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-oneil/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

Attribution is one of the most talked-about topics in marketing…and also one of the most misleading. Jay and Daniel explain why most attribution models are basically garbage, especially last-touch attribution, and why marketers keep over-investing in channels like Google Search simply because they get the final click. Jay walks through one of the most underused measurement tactics in marketing: holdout groups, where you intentionally exclude part of your audience from campaigns to measure real lift. Daniel adds the simplest attribution hack of all: just asking customers where they heard about you. If you’re tired of dashboards that tell you what you want to hear instead of what’s real, this episode Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/

Community isn’t a buzzword, it’s one of the most powerful growth engines in Marketing. And if you’re not building one, you’re already behind. Daniel sits down with Chanel Clark, founder of The Marketing Club, to unpack how she accidentally turned one LinkedIn post into a community of over 15,000 Marketers across Australia and New Zealand. From growing a Slack group into real-life events, to keeping engagement high as the community scales, to figuring out when (and how) to start charging, Chanel shares the behind-the-scenes playbook for building something people genuinely want to belong to. They also dive into why community is an owned channel, what makes events actually valuable, and why the future of Marketing is human connection - both online and IRL. If you’re a marketer who wants to build deeper relationships, stronger networks, and a brand people rally around, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Chanel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chanel-clark/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

The Super Bowl isn’t the finish line. It’s the starting point. Daniel sits down with Doug VandeVelde, Chief Growth Officer at WK Kellogg, to break down why Raisin Bran is making a Super Bowl appearance and why fiber is the next big cultural and consumer shift in health. From spotting early consumer signals, to turning a Super Bowl ad into a year-long growth strategy, to choosing William Shatner as the face of the campaign, Doug unpacks how legacy brands stay relevant at the biggest stage in marketing. They also dive into what success actually looks like beyond the Big Game, how Kellogg integrates marketing, product, and distribution under a growth lens, and why transparency is the marketing hill Doug would die on. If you’re a marketer curious how iconic brands evolve, spot trends early, and turn attention into long-term growth, this is the episode for YOU.  ⁠https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at ⁠https://customer.io/tmm⁠ Follow Doug: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/doug-vandevelde/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

AI is everywhere, but most Marketers still don’t know what to actually do with it beyond asking for subject lines. Jay and Daniel break down the real AI tools they’re using day to day to write faster, create decks, edit video, spin up ad creative, and even build entire business ideas without knowing how to code. They explain why Claude is the best for writing and tone, how Gamma can generate stunning presentations in minutes, why Descript is a cheat code for video and podcast editing, and how Replit makes “vibe coding” a real superpower for marketers. And, how is Google moving in the AI age? Get ready because Gemini and Nano Banana are about to be in your toolkit.  If you want the real marketing AI stack for 2026, this is the episode for you. Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/

Some of the hardest marketing problems aren’t about selling, they’re about changing behavior and building trust. And very few brands get that right. Daniel talks with Meiling Tan (former founding Head of Marketing at Waymo and now VP of Brand and Go-To-Market at Care.com) to break down how to market products people are initially afraid of, including self-driving cars to caregiving. From challenging the status quo of human driving, to reframing safety as the core problem, to building trust before talking about features, Meiling shares how Waymo helped people go from “That’s scary” to “How did we ever live without this?” They also break down: - What it really takes to build a brand from scratch - How to lead a successful rebrand - Why brand must be deeply tied to product experience - How marketers need to think like business leaders to drive real impact If you’re a Marketer working on adoption, trust, or category creation, this is the episode for YOU. Follow Meiling: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meilingt/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

B2B Marketing shouldn’t be boring. And if your brand isn’t building a world people want to step into, you’re already falling behind. Daniel talks with Marissa Kraines, VP and Head of Marketing at Webflow, about how world building, humor, and human-first storytelling are reshaping modern B2B Marketing. From creating Webflow’s breakout “AI Guy” character, to why brand matters more than ever in an AI-powered search world, Marissa shares how B2B brands can stand out in feeds dominated by cats, babies, and memes. They also dive into measuring brand beyond clicks, using AI as a creative partner (not a shortcut), and why human-to-human Marketing is the hill Marissa would die on. If you’re a Marketer who wants to push B2B beyond features and funnels (and actually make people care) this is the episode for YOU. Follow Marissa: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marissakraines/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

Most marketing automations technically work…and still quietly fail. Jay and Daniel break down why set-it-and-forget-it automations no longer cut it and what actually makes automated marketing feel personal, timely, and human. They cover how to write automations that sound like a real person, why unexpected send times outperform “best practices,” and how layering one-off human messages on top of automation boosts results.  Plus, what’s the difference between schedule sending at 10:00 vs. 10:14? Turns out, it’s the difference between background noise and getting noticed.  If your automations feel invisible, ignored, or robotic, this episode shows how to make them feel alive again. Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/