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Fear Less
Author: Zack Schafer
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Welcome to the Fear Less podcast, a show dedicated to discussing anxiety, fear, and general mental well-being. In this podcast, host Zack Schafer sits down with clinical professionals, educators, parents, and individuals with anxiety to have meaningful conversations about fear and how to manage it. Through expert knowledge, personal stories, and practical everyday tips, Zack helps listeners gain the insight, confidence, and skills necessary to master their fears.
Zack Schafer, MS, OTR/L, is a mental health occupational therapist and the executive director of Mountain Valley Treatment Center (MVTC), a non-profit residential treatment program for youth with debilitating anxiety. This podcast is sponsored by MVTC and aligns with the program’s mission to help anxious young people to fear less and live fully.
However, fear and anxiety don’t just impact young people—they affect everyone. Our collective fears and anxieties shape the health of our communities and society as a whole. The Fear Less podcast was created to reach a broad audience and inspire all who listen to come together, face their fears, and live courageously.
For more information visit:
• www.mountainvalleytreatment.org
• Instagram: @mountainvalleytreatmentcenter
• LinkedIn: Mountain Valley
• LinkedIn: Zack Schafer
Zack Schafer, MS, OTR/L, is a mental health occupational therapist and the executive director of Mountain Valley Treatment Center (MVTC), a non-profit residential treatment program for youth with debilitating anxiety. This podcast is sponsored by MVTC and aligns with the program’s mission to help anxious young people to fear less and live fully.
However, fear and anxiety don’t just impact young people—they affect everyone. Our collective fears and anxieties shape the health of our communities and society as a whole. The Fear Less podcast was created to reach a broad audience and inspire all who listen to come together, face their fears, and live courageously.
For more information visit:
• www.mountainvalleytreatment.org
• Instagram: @mountainvalleytreatmentcenter
• LinkedIn: Mountain Valley
• LinkedIn: Zack Schafer
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In this powerful episode of Fear Less, Zack sits down with Andy Benckart, a master's-level social work student and young adult in recovery, to dive deep into the complex intersections of anxiety, OCD, and addiction. Andy shares his lived experience navigating chronic migraines, anxiety, substance use, and an eventual OCD diagnosis, shedding light on how these challenges are often intertwined. His story takes listeners from early struggles in high school and college to the transformative impact of wilderness therapy and transitional living programs. Andy also discusses the vital role that surfing and nature have played in his recovery journey, offering a unique perspective on surrender, control, and healing through connection to the outdoors. Throughout the conversation, Andy highlights how 12-step programs, therapeutic support, and outdoor experiences helped him build resilience, self-awareness, and hope for a better future. Zack and Andy explore critical ideas like the subtle ways OCD can present, why addiction often masks deeper mental health struggles, and how the lessons of nature — like surrendering to a powerful wave — mirror the process of recovery. Whether you’re navigating your own mental health challenges or supporting a loved one, this episode offers invaluable wisdom, hope, and a reminder that growth often starts by letting go. Zack’s Hack- In this week’s quote to address fear Zack shares a quote from Victor Frankel. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
Parents today are swimming in mental-health advice—some helpful, a lot confusing. In this episode Zack sits down with psychotherapist Lynn Lyons (author of Anxious Kids, Anxious Parents and host of the “Flusterclux” podcast) to cut through the noise. Lynn explains why anxiety thrives on over-talking, endless reassurance, and “safety chatter,” and how well-meaning accommodations at home and school can accidentally make avoidance worse. She offers concrete, doable shifts for parents: talk 85% less, model approach instead of avoidance, build autonomy, and invite “productive struggle” so teens learn they can handle discomfort. You’ll also hear practical guidance for school refusal (what to change tonight and how to partner with the school), why stress ≠ trauma, and how to replace fragility language with skills and confidence. If your teen is anxious—and you’re anxious about what to do—this conversation gives you a clear playbook and renewed hope. Zack Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote from LR Nost to help you Fear Less! To find out more about Lynn Lyonns and the resources she talks about check out her website: https://www.lynnlyons.com/ Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this episode Zack talks with Mountain Valley clinician Katharine Call, who opens up about her journey from professional skiing to living with—and ultimately overcoming—anxiety. Katharine shares how the pressures of competitive athletics, from ski academies to the U.S. national team, intensified her struggles with emetophobia and performance-related fears. She describes how her anxiety often went unnoticed or was misunderstood as physical illness, and the turning point that came when she finally received the right mental health support. Parents of anxious teens—especially those navigating sports—will find this conversation both relatable and hopeful. Katharine reflects on the hidden pressures of specializing too early, the importance of building an identity outside of athletics, and the role exposure therapy and balance played in her recovery. Her story offers valuable insights for families supporting a teen athlete wrestling with anxiety, perfectionism, and self-doubt, and reminds us that courage and strength are often found in the midst of fear. Zack Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote from MMA fighter Ronda Rousey to help you Fear Less! Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this week's episode Zack talks with Nichol Ernst, LCSW, CEO/Clinical Director and co-owner of Summit Achievement, to unpack how the outdoors and adventure therapy help anxious teens. Nichol explains Summit’s integrated treatment model—weekly rhythms of accredited academics, individualized therapy, and guided outdoor experiences—that turns nature into a practical lab for exposure, executive functioning, and confidence-building. They explore why time outside reduces avoidance, increases presence, and helps reframe fear—especially for school anxiety/school refusal, OCD/ERP carryover, and neurodivergent (ASD) teens who benefit from sensory input and structured challenge. The conversation highlights parent coaching and family-system change, perceived vs. actual risk in the outdoors, and how real-world wins on trail translate to the classroom and home. Nichol also addresses the history and evolution of “wilderness therapy,” best practices, and why today’s outdoor behavioral healthcare is data-informed, licensed, and collaborative. Hope and next steps for families round out the episode. Zack Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote about how time in the outdoors can address anxiety. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
On this episode Zack talks with Mountain Valley alumna—and current OT grad student—Amelia Teta about what truly helps when anxiety and OCD take over. Amelia traces her path from school avoidance to meaningful engagement, highlighting how Mountain Valley’s evidence-based approach—especially Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP)—taught her to “be with” difficult emotions instead of resisting them. She unpacks the role of community, stewardship (chores and contribution), routines, and mental-health-informed occupational therapy in building confidence and everyday function. Candid, practical, and hopeful, this conversation offers families and caregivers a clear view of what effective anxiety/OCD treatment looks like—and how to keep the momentum going after discharge. Zack Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote about fear from Eleanor Roosevelt. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this special back-to-school episode Zack sits down with Mountain Valley’s Director of External Affairs and Enrollment, Everett Logan, to share practical strategies for parents whose teens are struggling with school avoidance and anxiety. Everett draws on his background as a teacher, school counselor, and leader at Mountain Valley to outline five key tips that can help families manage back-to-school stress: normalizing anxiety without enabling avoidance, managing your own parental anxiety, setting predictable routines, being proactive with plans, and looking beyond academics to support your teen’s overall development. Together, Zack and Everett offer real-world advice to help parents foster resilience, hold healthy boundaries, and prevent school avoidance from derailing their child’s year. If your teen is anxious about returning to school—or you’re a parent looking for practical guidance—this episode is packed with insights to help your family approach the new school year with more calm, confidence, and connection. Zack’s Anxiety Hack- Zack shares an inspiring quote from Dr. Harriet Lerner about fear and courage. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this episode Zack sits down with Patrick Cooke, Assistant Director of Studies at Knower Academics, to explore the powerful intersection of mental health and education. Patrick shares how the partnership between Knower Academics and Mountain Valley Treatment Center has created therademics—an approach where therapeutic goals are woven directly into academic work. Together, they discuss how anxiety and OCD often show up in the classroom, the impact of common accommodations like extra time, and how parents and educators can better support students without unintentionally reinforcing avoidance. Drawing from both his years as an educator and his experiences as a rock climbing coach, Patrick explains how lessons from adventure sports—facing fear, staying present, and building resilience—apply directly to helping teens and young adults navigate academic stress. This conversation offers parents practical insights into balancing academic progress with therapeutic growth, while giving their child the tools to manage anxiety long after school ends. Zack’s Anxiety Hack- Zack shares an inspiring quote from life coach, Mastin Kipp. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this special live edition of the Fear Less Podcast, recorded at the 2025 Mountain Valley Reunion, Zack brings together alumni, parents, current residents, and staff to share powerful stories of hope, resilience, and transformation. Against the backdrop of a sunny summer day in Plainfield, NH, voices from across the Mountain Valley family reflect on their personal journeys—overcoming debilitating anxiety, OCD, depression, and other mental health struggles—and the pivotal role this community played in their recovery. From heartfelt testimonies of residents who once felt hopeless to the gratitude of parents who witnessed their children’s growth, the episode captures the unique culture of Mountain Valley: a place where courage is celebrated, vulnerability is honored, and connection fuels change. Through laughter, tears, and words of encouragement, each speaker reminds us that while fear may feel insurmountable, the right support can transform it into strength—and love. Zack Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote about love to help you Fear Less. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this episode Zack sits down with career clarity expert Lisa Marker-Robbins to explore how parents can support their young adults in navigating the often overwhelming path toward school, career, and independence. Drawing on decades of experience and her role as a mom of five, Lisa breaks down the fears, anxieties, and misconceptions that keep both parents and their children stuck. She explains how her three-step framework—focusing on self-awareness, career exploration, and intentional next steps—can bring clarity and confidence to the post-high school journey. Lisa and Zack dive into the emotional dynamics between parents and teens, discussing how fear and over-accommodation can unintentionally stall growth. They also explore how career coaching can act as a form of exposure therapy, helping young people build real-world experience, assess their fit with different careers, and find purpose. Whether your child is lost after college, stuck in indecision, or avoiding future planning altogether, this conversation offers hope, strategy, and practical tools for taking the first step toward meaningful adulthood. Zack’s Anxiety Hack- Zack shares an inspiring quote from Eleanor Roosevelt that will help you Fear Less as you try more. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this powerful episode, Zack welcomes back two inspiring leaders—Tim Vaughan, Executive Director of The Trade, and Will Laughlin, CEO of The Trade and Mountain Valley Treatment Center. Together, they introduce The Trade, a new work-life preparatory program for young adults (ages 18–30) who feel stuck, disconnected, or unsure about their next steps. Drawing from decades of experience in education, mental health, and mentoring, Tim and Will explain how The Trade provides meaningful work, mentorship, and a supportive community—all on a 2,000-acre mountain campus in New Hampshire. This episode explores how hands-on learning, and genuine human connection can help young people move forward with purpose and confidence. The conversation dives deep into the challenges facing today’s young adults—including anxiety, isolation, and lack of direction—and offers a hopeful, practical alternative to traditional therapy or college paths. Rooted in the principles of occupational therapy and self-determination theory, The Trade offers a modern rite of passage where young adults earn real wages, gain skills, and build relationships that help them launch into adulthood. Whether you're a parent, a clinician, or a young adult searching for direction, this episode offers insight, compassion, and a vision for what’s possible when we stop pathologizing struggle—and start building community around purpose. Zack’s Anxiety Hack- Zack shares an inspiring quote from Mary O’Reily a famous Occupational Therapist! Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this solo episode our host and Executive Director of Mountain Valley Treatment Center, Zack Shafer MSOTR/L unpacks one of the most overlooked components of teen mental health: sensory processing. Speaking directly to parents of adolescents who are anxious, overwhelmed, or emotionally reactive, Zack explains how teens with anxiety, OCD, ADHD, or Autism Spectrum Disorder often experience the world through a different sensory lens—and how those differences can dramatically affect their ability to cope, self-regulate, and function in daily life. With warmth and clarity, Zack breaks down terms like sensory processing vs. sensory integration, and lesser-known but critical senses like proprioception (body awareness), vestibular input (balance and movement), and interoception (internal body signals). He shares research linking sensory challenges with mental health conditions and helps parents understand why their teen might shut down in crowded spaces, seem “overreactive” to touch or sound, or crave constant physical input. More importantly, Zack offers practical tools and language to help parents support their teen’s sensory needs—whether through environmental modifications, movement-based activities, or simply a shift in perspective. If your teen’s anxiety or OCD seems tied to “little things” that quickly escalate, this episode offers a new framework for understanding—and a hopeful path forward rooted in science, compassion, and occupational therapy insight. Zack Hack: In this week’s episode Zack shares an insightful quote from Peter Levine, a famous trauma therapist to help you fear less! Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this insightful episode, Zack sits down with Cam Sherman, executive director at NeuroDev, to explore the intersection of neurodiversity and anxiety in young people. Cam unpacks how traditional academic and clinical approaches often miss a key component: developmental growth. Drawing from his work at NeuroDev—a mentoring-based program for neurodivergent young adults—Cam explains why young people with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) frequently experience anxiety and stress, particularly around identity formation, social connection, and transitions to independence. Parents will gain valuable insights into how developmental mentoring, lived experience, and community support can offer more than symptom management—they can foster security, resilience, and lasting self-confidence. Together, Cam and Zack also break down the critical distinction between safety and security, a concept that resonates deeply for parents seeking long-term support strategies for their child. Cam explains that while safety seeks to eliminate risk, security builds the capacity to navigate it. Through powerful metaphors and practical examples, this conversation gives caregivers and clinicians a new lens to understand their neurodivergent child’s emotional world. Cam's message is clear: resilience and growth don’t come from avoiding discomfort, but from learning—over time, with support—how to face challenges with confidence and connection. Zacks Anxiety Hack: Zack shares a powerful quote from Louisa May Alcott. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this heartfelt episode Zack sits down with former Mountain Valley resident Izzy Carosi, who courageously shares her journey through anxiety, depression, and the perfectionism that once consumed her. From the outside, Izzy appeared to have it all—strong academics, athletic talent, and a vibrant personality—but beneath the surface, she struggled with crippling anxiety and perfectionism. Her path led her to Mountain Valley Treatment Center, where she experienced both a painful early departure and a powerful return. In her honest retelling, Izzy opens up about learning to accept help, understanding attachment and perfectionism, and rediscovering her authentic self—"Little Izzy"—through vulnerability and self-compassion. Soon to be a psychology student at Wake Forest University, Izzy reflects on how her experience in residential treatment taught her to build balance, develop emotional resilience, and embrace her worth beyond achievements. She offers valuable insights for both young people navigating mental health challenges and parents supporting them, including how to re-enter home and school life after treatment, and how to stay grounded in a world that often rewards overachievement. Whether you're a parent of a teen wrestling with anxiety or a young person struggling to find your way, Izzy’s story is a beacon of honesty, hope, and healing. Zacks Anxiety Hack: Zack shares a heartfelt quote from Amy Julia Becker. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this episode Zack is joined by Brittany Little, LCSW, clinical director at Moosilauke Counseling Solutions and former therapist at Mountain Valley Treatment Center. Brittany shares her deep expertise in Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) and how it can be a transformative tool for teens struggling with anxiety, OCD, and emotional dysregulation. While often associated with borderline personality disorder, Brittany explains how DBT’s practical, skills-based approach is incredibly useful for adolescents with intense emotions—even before they're ready for exposure therapy. Topics covered include mindfulness, emotion regulation, distress tolerance, and interpersonal effectiveness, as well as how DBT lays a crucial foundation for long-term healing. Brittany also explores how DBT offers powerful tools for both parents and clinicians, not just clients. From validating a teen’s emotional experiences without reinforcing compulsive behaviors, to learning how to effectively communicate through emotional intensity, this episode provides a framework of hope and clarity for families navigating complex mental health challenges. Whether you’re a parent of a teen in crisis or a clinician looking for fresh ways to support anxious adolescents, this conversation highlights why DBT is more than just a therapy—it’s a life skill set for the whole family. Zack’s Anxiety Hack- In this episode Zack shares an inspiring quote from Steven King. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this compelling episode Zack is joined once again by clinical psychologist Dr. Roberto Olivardia to explore body dysmorphic disorder (BDD)—a deeply misunderstood and often overlooked condition, especially in adolescent boys and young men. Dr. Olivardia, co-author of The Adonis Complex, shares his decades of clinical and research experience in working with individuals who struggle with distorted body image, anxiety, and co-occurring disorders like OCD and depression. He breaks down how BDD presents, the dangerous cultural messages that fuel it, and why it often goes undiagnosed in young men. For parents of teens grappling with anxiety, appearance preoccupations, or seeking cosmetic procedures as a solution, this episode offers both a clinical roadmap and emotional insight. Dr. Olivardia discusses the risks of cosmetic surgeries, treatment options including ERP and SSRIs, and the importance of challenging rigid appearance-based beliefs. He emphasizes that recovery is possible—with the right support, education, and structured treatment. If you’re a parent looking for hope and direction for your teen dealing with body image anxiety, this episode is a must-listen. Zack’s Hack- In this episode Zack shares an inspiring quote from Henry Ford. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this episode of Fear Less, Zack talks with licensed therapist Elian Beattie, the owner of Insights Group, an outpatient therapy practice in Rye, New Hampshire. Elian specializes in treating OCD, anxiety, and eating disorders, and shares her rare expertise in addressing both OCD and disordered eating at the same time—something many treatment providers avoid. Listeners will gain a clear understanding of how these two conditions often overlap, from perfectionism and control to compulsive behaviors around food and body image. Elian breaks down how both disorders can be identified, assessed, and treated with evidence-based approaches like Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP) and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT). Whether you're a parent concerned about your teen’s mental health, someone who struggles with rigid food rules and anxiety, or a clinician who sees these overlapping conditions, this episode offers real hope and practical guidance. Elian also shares a powerful story of helping a young athlete recover through social reconnection, challenging food fears, and building values-based resilience. If you’re looking for answers about OCD, eating disorders, or how to find the right kind of help, this conversation will leave you informed, inspired, and ready to take action. Zack’s Anxiety Hack: Zack shares a quote from Salvador Dali that can help you fear less! Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center. Elian Beattie's outpatient practice website: https://insightsgroup.net/
In this episode Zack welcomes Dee Franklin, a licensed mental health counselor, to explore the striking overlap between eating disorders (ED) and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). Drawing from her decades of clinical experience and a widely-discussed article she co-authored, Dr. Franklin shares how many eating disorder behaviors—like ritualized eating patterns, perfectionism, and sensory avoidance—mirror the core functional mechanisms of OCD. Together, she and Zach dive into the controversial but increasingly accepted view that ED and OCD may not be as separate as traditionally thought, and how treatment models that embrace this overlap can lead to more effective, sustainable outcomes. The conversation weaves personal insights, clinical strategies, and a deep respect for interdisciplinary work—especially between occupational therapy and psychology. Dee also introduces listeners to ARFID (Avoidant/Restrictive Food Intake Disorder), highlighting the role of interoceptive exposure and graduated sensory challenges in treatment. With warmth and intellectual rigor, this episode challenges listeners—whether clinicians, parents, or those in recovery—to reconsider how we define and treat disordered eating through a functional, process-based lens. It’s a compelling call to rethink the categories and embrace treatments that meet patients where they are, both physically and emotionally. Zack’s Anxiety Hack: Zack shares a quote from Marcus Aurelius that can help you fear less! Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this deeply moving episode Zack sits down with Myra Sack, author of 57 Fridays: Losing Our Daughter, Finding Our Way and Executive Director of Emotion, Inc.—a nonprofit that helps people navigate grief through movement, ritual, and community. Myra shares her profound journey of losing her daughter Javi to Tay-Sachs disease, how that loss reshaped her understanding of fear and anxiety, and how the emotional tools she and her husband developed became the foundation for her organization’s healing model. Together, they explore how grief intersects with fear and anxiety, especially the difference between anxiety's imagined threats and fear's real ones—and how we can learn to "move with" both and harness the treasures that exist in intense emotional experiences. Throughout the conversation, Myra highlights the power of emotional granularity, intentional ritual, somatic motion, and authentic community as antidotes to the isolation and overwhelm that often accompany grief and trauma. She and Zack discuss how Emotion, Inc. is bringing these tools to others through its national grief-movement cohorts, offering not just support but transformation. Myra’s vulnerability and insight are a gift to anyone coping with loss or seeking to support others through it, and her message—that we can live in the land of the living and carry our grief—is one of resilience, love, and deep hope. Zack’s Hack: Zack shares a powerful quote about grief. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this powerful solo Zack dives deep into the functional purpose of anxiety and how it can actually serve us rather than sabotage us. Drawing on his clinical experience and personal reflections, Zack reframes anxiety as a messenger, something that, when listened to and understood, can be a powerful motivator and guide. Using real-life examples from his own life and his work at Mountain Valley Treatment Center, Zack explores the physiological, cognitive, and behavioral responses triggered by anxiety and how we can tune into those responses to prepare, adapt, and thrive rather than shut down or avoid. He breaks down the common "fight, flight, freeze, and fawn" reactions and emphasizes that fear isn’t something to eliminate—but rather, something to make less intrusive and more constructive. Zack also shares personal stories, including how anxiety helped him prepare for fatherhood and process fear during a high-risk pregnancy. He emphasizes that our emotions aren’t enemies—they’re signals that deserve attention, curiosity, and response. Referencing tools from Acceptance and Commitment Therapy and the book The Happiness Trap by Russ Harris, Zack encourages listeners to transform their relationship with fear, rather than trying to eliminate it. This episode is a must-listen for anyone who’s felt consumed by anxiety and is ready to learn how to partner with it instead. Zack Hack: In this week’s hack Zack shares an inspiring quote from Russ Harris, author of The Happiness Trap. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this compelling episode Zack sits down with renowned clinical psychologist Dr. Roberto Olivardia to explore the realities of living with ADHD and how it intersects with anxiety, OCD, and executive functioning. A lecturer at Harvard Medical School and clinical associate at McLean Hospital, Dr. Olivardia brings both professional expertise and personal insight as someone who has lived with ADHD his entire life. The conversation dives deep into what ADHD actually is, how it’s often misunderstood, and why people with ADHD often experience high levels of stress and anxiety due to environmental expectations and internal challenges. Listeners will gain practical takeaways around managing ADHD symptoms, whether through medication, behavioral strategies, mindfulness practices, or lifestyle changes. Dr. Olivardia shares relatable personal stories—from riding the subway to focus on reading to writing his dissertation to punk rock—and breaks down the importance of accepting neurodiversity in a judgment-free, strength-based way. If you've ever felt like your brain works differently, this validating and informative episode is not to be missed. Fear Less is sponsored by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.