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Author: Dan Heath

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Curious what it would be like to walk in someone else’s (work) shoes? Join New York Times bestselling author Dan Heath as he explores the world of work, one profession at a time, and interviews people who love what they do.

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A Seismologist

A Seismologist

2025-10-0733:21

Monitoring global networks of seismometers, evangelizing for stronger buildings instead of better predictions, and measuring LA's slow crawl toward Alaska with Lucy Jones, a seismologist in Southern California. Why does she begin counting when she feels the earth start to shake? And how did a nuclear test ban treaty end up boosting the science of earthquakes? Lucy is author of the book The Big Ones: How Natural Disasters Have Shaped Us (and What We Can Do About Them). She also founded the Dr....
An Executive Chef

An Executive Chef

2025-09-2333:53

Butchering whole alligators, costing out every plate down to the garnish, and perfecting grilled sweetbreads with Cindy Wolf, an executive chef. What was it like to cook for Julia Child? And what popular item does she wish she could purge from the menu? Dan's latest book is Reset: How to Change What's Not Working. It's out in hard cover and as an audiobook. WANT MORE EPISODE SUGGESTIONS? Grab our What It's Like To Be... "starter pack". It's a curated Spotify playlist with some essential episo...
A Speechwriter

A Speechwriter

2025-09-0932:18

Writing for the ear rather than the eye, racing to meet teleprompter deadlines, and recasting lost memories as timeless advice with Stephen Krupin, a speechwriter. What was it like to write speeches for President Obama? And when can a speaker's desire for "authenticity" go too far? WANT MORE EPISODE SUGGESTIONS? Grab our What It's Like To Be... "starter pack". It's a curated Spotify playlist with some essential episodes from our back catalogue. GOT A COMMENT OR SUGGESTION? Email us at jobs@w...
A Floral Decorator

A Floral Decorator

2025-08-2633:58

Crafting floral masterpieces that disappear within hours, dealing with the eccentricities of wealthy clients, and making 3am runs to the flower market with Paul Hawkins, a floral decorator in England. Why is it a no-no to mix red and white flowers? And what's it like to design floral decorations for royalty? You can see some of Paul's work on his Instagram page. WANT MORE EPISODE SUGGESTIONS? Grab our What It's Like To Be... "starter pack". It's a curated Spotify playlist with some essential ...
A Car Mechanic

A Car Mechanic

2025-08-1233:02

Cracking automotive mysteries one diagnostic code at a time, mastering the art of quoting complicated repairs, and playing the "what kind of noise is it?" guessing game with Justin Snodgrass, a car mechanic who owns his own shop. Why should $19.99 oil changes make you suspicious? And why might your local car mechanic decline to work on new cars? IF YOU LIKE THIS EPISODE: Check out what it's like to be a forensic accountant, a welder, or a software engineer. WANT MORE EPISODE SUGGESTIONS...
A Pharmacy Tech

A Pharmacy Tech

2025-07-2937:24

Counting out pills in fives, working with million-dollar drugs, and ensuring the right medication in the right dose gets delivered at the right moment with Rose Davin, a pharmacy technician in Rochester, New York. What are the layers of protection that prevent pharmacy employees from absconding with opioids? And what happens if a technician accidentally drops a pill on the floor? IF YOU LIKE THIS EPISODE: Check out what it's like to be a nurse, a veterinarian, or a hospice nurse. WANT MORE EP...
Forecasting what a business will earn and spend, allocating resources among teams clamoring for more, and practicing professional skepticism without killing the vibe with Steve Love, a chief financial officer. What does it feel like to confess to a board of directors that you've made a potentially catastrophic error? And what happens when business leaders accidentally release non-public information? IF YOU LIKE THIS EPISODE: Check out what it's like to be a turnaround consultant, a fore...
A Deli Owner

A Deli Owner

2025-07-0130:151

Boiling briskets for five hours, escorting obnoxious customers to the door, and preserving the ritual of saying "hello" with Steven Peljovich, who runs Michael's Deli in Boston. What makes a deli different from a sandwich shop? And, until recently, why did he resist taking orders online? Read The Boston Globe story that Steven mentioned about longtime customer Rita Manor. IF YOU LIKE THIS EPISODE: Check out what it's like to be a stadium beer vendor, a barman, or an ice cream truck driver. WA...
A Massage Therapist

A Massage Therapist

2025-06-1734:261

Choreographing massages to Mozart, enforcing cancellation policies with beloved clients, and shutting down callers seeking "undraped sessions" with Allissa Haines, a massage therapist. What made her cry in her car after one particular house call? And what is "effleurage”? In this episode, Dan recommended The Work of Art by Adam Moss, a book about how artists make their work. Check it out here. IF YOU LIKE THIS EPISODE: Check out what it's like to be a couples therapist, a hair stylist, or a p...
A Harbor Pilot

A Harbor Pilot

2025-06-0337:221

Scaling three-story rope ladders up the sides of ships, memorizing every rock and current in a harbor, and narrowly avoiding catastrophic collisions with Captain Grant Livingstone, a retired harbor pilot. What do you do when your engine and anchors fail in heavy fog? And how do you dock a ship the size of the Empire State Building? Grant and his twin brother Captain George Livingstone co-authored the recent book Shiphandling, The Beautiful Game. IF YOU LIKE THIS EPISODE: Check out what it's l...
A Hospice Nurse

A Hospice Nurse

2025-05-2038:44

Comforting patients as they prepare to transition, navigating end-of-life regrets and frayed relationships, and providing support and advice for fearful families with Heather Meyerend, a retired hospice nurse. How does she know when the end is imminent? And what has the work taught her about the different ways we deal with death? Heather is a contributing author to the book Resilient Faith: Dare To Believe. She was also profiled in The New Yorker in 2016: "A Tender Hand in the Presence of Dea...
A Veterinarian

A Veterinarian

2025-05-0636:52

Calming scared cats with pheromone sprays, advising families how to balance their pet's well-being with budget realities, and diagnosing mysterious animal maladies with Dr. Hindatu Mohammed, a veterinarian in Austin, TX. What breed of dog, when having its nails clipped, responds as though it's being murdered? And how did an injured ant shape her career choice? IF YOU LIKE THIS EPISODE: Check out what it's like to be a dog trainer, a nurse, or a brain surgeon. WANT MORE EPISODE SUGGESTIONS? Gr...
A Software Engineer

A Software Engineer

2025-04-2231:04

Tracing mysterious errors to their source, jousting with product managers, and rolling out new features (without breaking the old ones) with Taylor Hughes, a software engineer. How did one failed software fix ruin Christmas for kids around the country? And what is "spaghetti code"? Taylor is currently a co-founder and the CTO at Hypernatural.ai. IF YOU LIKE THIS EPISODE: Check out what it's like to be a forensic accountant, a creative director, or a brain surgeon. Learn more about StoryCorps ...
A City Manager

A City Manager

2025-04-0835:082

Mediating pickleball noise disputes, shepherding communities through thorny decisions, and practicing radical pragmatism with Martha Bennett, city manager of Lake Oswego, Oregon. What is it that makes public hearings so noxious? And what's the difference between "Big P" and "Little P" politics? IF YOU LIKE THIS EPISODE: Check out what it's like to be a high school principal, a PR crisis manager, or a turnaround consultant. WANT MORE EPISODE SUGGESTIONS? Grab our What It's Like To Be... "start...
A Barman

A Barman

2025-03-2535:402

Pouring pints for thirsty tourists, defusing situations with drunk patrons, and finding flow in the Friday night rush with Brian Wynne, a barman in Dublin. What caused one customer to throw a dog at Brian? And what is "craic"? If you'd like to reach out to Brian, email Dan at dan@whatitslike.com IF YOU LIKE THIS EPISODE: Check out what it's like to be an ice cream truck driver, a stand-up comedian, or a London cabbie. WANT MORE EPISODE SUGGESTIONS? Grab our What It's Like To Be... "starter pa...
A Brain Surgeon

A Brain Surgeon

2025-03-1140:304

Zapping parts of the brain to know where to cut, operating a mouth-controlled microscope that's worth more than a house, and carrying the weight of life-or-death decisions with Dr. Alfredo Quiñones-Hinojosa, a brain surgeon at the Mayo Clinic. How do you preserve a mathematician's expertise when removing tumors? And how did he go from picking tomatoes to performing brain surgery? Dr. Q wrote about his remarkable journey to the operating room in the book, Becoming Dr. Q: My Journey from Migran...
Commanding a floating city of 5,000 sailors, intercepting Houthi missiles in the Red Sea, and stripping rank from sailors who cross the line with Captain Chris "Chowdah" Hill, commanding officer of the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower aircraft carrier. How do you stop a fighter jet in 2-seconds? And what are “midrats”? WANT MORE EPISODE SUGGESTIONS? Grab our What It's Like To Be... "starter pack". It's a curated Spotify playlist with some essential episodes from our back catalogue. GOT A COMMENT OR ...
A Daycare Owner

A Daycare Owner

2025-02-1128:18

Singing cleanup songs, tiring out kids before naptime, and battling the "babysitter" stereotype with Brenda Hawkins, a daycare owner in Maryland. How has childcare changed over the years? And what is a "dope and drop"? WANT MORE EPISODE SUGGESTIONS? Grab our What It's Like To Be... "starter pack". It's a curated Spotify playlist with some essential episodes from our back catalogue. GOT A COMMENT OR SUGGESTION? Email us at jobs@whatitslike.com FOR SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES: Email us at partn...
An Audiobook Narrator

An Audiobook Narrator

2025-01-2838:04

Fine-tuning the perfect accent for a character, recording for hours in a sound-insulated booth, and tracking down obscure pronunciations with Sean Pratt, an audiobook narrator. What is "punch and roll"? And what kind of voice do you need to be a great narrator? EXTRA We spoke with Sean about his work narrating the David Foster Wallace literary behemoth Infinite Jest. That part of the interview didn’t fit into this episode, but you can listen to it here! WANT MORE EPISODE SUGGESTIONS? Grab ou...
We've got something a little different and special for you this week! The day this is dropping, January 21st, is the launch day for my new book, called RESET: How to Change What’s Not Working. We’re running an excerpt (a whole chapter!) from the audiobook on this podcast. You can buy the full audiobook, hardcover, or Kindle version here! We’ll be back next week with a new episode of the show, talking with a professional audiobook narrator! WANT MORE EPISODE SUGGESTIONS? Grab our What It's L...
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Comments (22)

Tammy Buchanan

when my cat wakes up it's probably a disaster.

Jul 11th
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Tammy Buchanan

I know I'm not okay when my dog gives me a side eye while dozing. Of course I reassure him and consider life choices. and day choices.

Jul 11th
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Chinmaya Dave

America's love to save others 🤣🤣😅😅🫡🙏🏻

Jun 14th
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Olga Koleshchuk

I've been following Commander Chowdah Hill on Twitter for a while and it's fascinating to hear him talk about his job. Now I understand how precious are those photos of Sailors with cookies for their families. Great podcast, thank you very much!

Mar 23rd
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Max March

This episode (Brain Surgeon) is one of the most interesting and moving interviews that I've heard. Both the doctor's thoughtful and detailed exposition and the interviewer's questions and final commentary are masterful. For years, I had forwarded items of interest to my mother for her enjoyment. She has been dead for two years now, and I regret that she was never able to hear this. Highest praise for this piece!

Mar 12th
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yaara gerchman

Waiting for 2025 😁

Jan 9th
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Jeri Bitney

This is my favorite interview to date. Dhe sounds kind, sensible, not full of herself, and just someone that anyone would want to work with.

Nov 6th
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yaara gerchman

LOVE this episode!!!

Oct 22nd
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Leslie bailiff

I would love you to interview a number of different job in the educational system: admin. ,bus driver, maintaince person, campus monitor, English second language teacher, of course teacher and special education teacher. Please!

Sep 29th
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Tammy Buchanan

4-month-old rescue lab now 11mos lab/hound 4ft inside leash trained on my fanny pack, appropriate kennel. 50ftleash frisbee. Oral great. you helped me figure out the only problem..nails. Dawned on me hivalu treats only excited. prongs work. From 1st day home must calm with professionally trained prong obey before walk, gets 3 tries to sit open door. Redirect, no disappointment. Chill play, pet. Again tomorrow. Now, prongs equal calm still nails, belly rub, run hills after. Thanks.

Aug 5th
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Jeri Bitney

I really enjoyed this interview. Every so often there is an interviewee who sounds so self-congratulatory and a bit arrogant. This nice woman is anything but, and it was a pleasure to listen to.

Jul 30th
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Stephen Pan

In 1995 or 1996, I fainted in the lazy river at Hurricane Harbor in Texas. Thank you to the lifeguard who pulled me out of the water unconscious that day and quite possibly saved my life.

Jul 16th
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Don Crow

What a great concept! I'm looking forward to listening to them all.

Apr 19th
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yaara gerchman

Awesome Podcast! 🌹

Feb 28th
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Leslie bailiff

I love your show! could you interview a sign language interpreter and or a Braillist ( a person who translate English math, music into Braille for blind people/children?

Jan 3rd
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Fariba Rafie

best wishes for you

Dec 30th
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Eltaf Hassani

what's it like to be a professor at university?

Dec 25th
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Kate Benson

Great podcast. Very interesting to peek behind the curtain of a wide range of careers.

Dec 2nd
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Tina Nina

I just found this podcast and it’s very interesting and entertaining at same time. I guestt it helps to know what a person in any given profession feels and thinks about you , his/her job and the perks and problems that comes with it. Keep up the good job!

Nov 10th
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