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The Rev. Dr. Prince Rivers has served as a pastor for more than 20 years. In each episode of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” Prince talks with leaders, pastors and authors about how to do church faithfully and effectively — and in a way that is life-giving for all involved.


“Leading and Thriving in the Church” is a podcast from Alban at Duke Divinity School. Learn more at alban.org, where you can also sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly newsletter.

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In the final episode of our second season, Prince talks with Anna Carter Florence, the Peter Marshall Professor of Preaching at Columbia Theological Seminary in Decatur, Georgia.Discussion topics include: - What theatre and preaching have in common - Why storytelling is central to preaching - Entering scripture “verbs-first” - Practices for growing as a preacher and theologian - And more! Find show notes and the transcript for this episode at https://alban.org/2024/05...
In this episode, Prince talks with Otis Moss III, Senior Pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Illinois.Discussion topics include: - Adapting to different leadership contexts - Thriving in times of unrest - The importance of love and justice in Christian leadership - How leaders can take care of themselves - And more! Find show notes and the transcript for this episode at https://alban.org/2024/05/02/otis-moss-iii-thriving-in-turbulent-times/Sign ...
In this episode, Prince talks with David Armijo, Chief of Programs at Hispanic Access Foundation. As Chief of Programs, David oversees Hispanic Access Foundation’s health, conservation, federal internship (MANO) and special initiatives.Discussion topics include: - Managing conflict on teams - Having courageous conversations with volunteers - Hallmarks of strong teams - Practical strategies for team communication - And more! Find show notes and the transcript for ...
In this episode, Prince talks with Nicole Martin, Chief Impact Officer at Christianity Today. She is also the founder and executive director of Soulfire International Ministries, which accelerates thriving for pastors, churches and younger leaders.Discussion topics include: - The role of emotional intelligence in effective leadership - Defining “leadership” in a Christian context - Surrendering Western notions of power and control - Advice for those seeking mentors -...
In this episode, Prince talks with David P. King, Karen Lake Buttrey Director of Lake Institute on Faith & Giving as well as Associate Professor of Philanthropic Studies within the Indiana University Lilly Family School of Philanthropy. As an American religious historian, his research interests broadly include exploring the practices of 20th- and 21st-century American and global faith communities as well as more specifically investigating how the religious identity of faith-based nonprofi...
In the first episode of our second season, Prince talks with Tod Bolsinger, senior congregational strategist and associate professor of leadership formation at Fuller Seminary. He's also the author of several books, including Canoeing the Mountains: Christian Leadership in Uncharted Territory.In this episode, Prince and Tod discuss:- Why success is likely to come after sabotage- The problem with "win-win"- Advice for leaders who feel stuck- Practices for leading and living well- And mor...
In the final episode of the first season of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” Prince talks with Dr. Thema Bryant, the 2023 president of the American Psychological Association (APA): the leading scientific and professional organization representing psychology with more than 120,000 members.In this episode, Prince and Dr. Thema discuss:the intersection of faith and psychologyhow growth and despair can co-existvicarious trauma and its effect on clergyemotion-focused coping and problem-solvin...
In the fifth episode of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” Prince talks with Paul Baxley, the executive coordinator of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship.In this episode, Paul and Prince discuss:what faithfulness means in this momentwhat it looks like for congregations to experience new lifewhat denominations are forthe need for support networks for pastorspractices to foster effective, fruitful teamsthe connection between theological reflection and thriving in Christian leadershipand more...
In the fourth episode of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” Prince talks with Ruth Haley Barton, the founding president and CEO of the Transforming Center, whose mission is to strengthen the souls of pastors, spiritual leaders and the congregations and organizations they serve. Learn more about Ruth at her website, where you can find links to her books and podcast.In this episode, Ruth and Prince discuss:the question of “how do people change, really?”building up trust in communityspiritual...
In the third episode of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” Prince talks with Rhonda Brandon, Senior Vice President and Chief Human Resources officer for Duke University Health System.In her role, Brandon oversees efforts to advance a world-class workforce that positions the health system to meet long-term strategic goals. She is a key driver of initiatives to improve performance measurement, professional development and work culture. She offers trusted counsel to senior staff, advocating o...
In the second episode of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” Prince talks with David Emmanuel Goatley, president of Fuller Theological Seminary.Dr. Goatley was inaugurated as the sixth president of Fuller Seminary in January 2023. Prior to his appointment, he served in various roles at Duke Divinity School, including as associate dean for academic and vocational formation and director of the Office of Black Church Studies. For nearly four decades he has served in leadership roles in organiz...
In the first episode of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” the Rev. Rivers talks with Stephen Lewis about trends they’re seeing in churches, what thriving ministers have in common, advice for new ministers and more. Stephen is the president of the Forum for Theological Exploration (FTE) and creator and co-founder of DO GOOD X, a start-up accelerator for diverse Christian social entrepreneurs. He is an organizational change strategist and a leadership development specialist, focused on...
The Rev. Dr. Prince Rivers, editor of the Alban Weekly, has been a pastor for 23 years. He is passionate about supporting the people who lead congregations.But doing ministry in the post-pandemic era has unearthed new leadership challenges – and it has led us to pay more attention to the need for thriving ministers and congregations.That’s where “Leading and Thriving in the Church” comes in. In this new podcast from Alban at Duke Divinity, our mission is to help you be the leader God has call...
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