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NOT the Sermon is a podcast where two pastors talk about everything but the sermon. Jamie and Eric discuss faith, culture, and theology...all while roasting each other. If you are sick of sermon podcasts and are looking for a funny and refreshing take on Christian life, check out this blend of comedy and theology. Just remember, its NOT the sermon!
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Shooting the Skybalon: Summer break, a call from an odd listener, Season 2 Song Shady Theology: Oklahoma and the Bible So Help Meme God: Shofar (do, do, do) Pester the Pastor: Eric's New Promotion
Convenience store coffee & McDonalds. Obsessing over other people's sin. Indiana Bible College music is FIRE. Pentecostals & Charismatics. "Not the Sermon" parody song What to expect.
In this episode, Jamie & Eric start off with Shooting the Skybalon, featuring The Crazy Halloween Lady—a woman who messaged the church calling it a “synagogue of Satan” for hosting Trunk or Treat. In Shady Theology, they explore Holiday Rituals and Symbols—from jack-o-lanterns to Christmas trees—and ask if these traditions are kosher for Christians. Then, in Houston, We Have a Question, they take on listener questions: is casting lots a valid way to discern God’s will, will Not the Sermon ever release an album, and can we guess the date of "the end"? Finally, in Eric’s Edumakation, they break down Churches and Legal Liability—what pastors and leaders need to know before the paperwork hits the fan. It’s funny, fiery, and a little too real—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:11 – Shooting the Skybalon: The Crazy Halloween Lady 00:09:41 – Shady Theology: Holiday rituals and symbols 00:24:18 – Houston, We Have a Question: Casting lots, NTS album, and rapture guessing 00:35:11 – Eric’s Edumakation: Churches and legal liability
In this episode of Not the Sermon, the boys are back from overseas—jetlagged, dog-bitten, and running on fumes. In Shooting the Skybalon, Eric shares the chaos of losing one dog and getting bitten by the other. Pester the Pastor tackles the balance between local and international ministry. In Weird Worship they dive into whether worship teams should use backing tracks, and Your Greek is Showing unpacks three Greek words for “sin.” It’s equal parts chaos, conviction, and comedy—the perfect Not the Sermon mix. 00:00:14 Shooting the Skybalon: Jetlag, Eric’s Dog Woes, and COPS 00:10:35 Pester the Pastor: How Much Should Churches Minister Overseas? 00:21:31 Weird Worship: Should Worship Bands Use Backing Tracks? 00:36:15 Your Greek Is Showing: Three Words for “Sin” in the Bible
You are in for special treat! This is an "on site" recording from a recent international trip that Jamie & Eric took. They give you on-the-ground information about the state of Christianity abroad and share some of the precious moments, mishaps, and delirium they experienced on the trip!  [00:00:20] Part 1: Funny Stories   [00:20:37] Part 2: Ministry Update   [00:31:28] Part 3: Airport Lounge Wrap Up
In this episode, Jamie & Eric are back from India… kind of. In Shooting the Skybalon, they talk planes, trains, and autorickshaws In The Bible Says What?!, they dive into wisdom literature and how it hilariously reminds us of how dumb we can be. Then in Communion Clapback, they respond to all the snarky social media comments. Finally, in Shady Theology, they wrestle with the idea of God’s wrath—what it is, what it isn’t, and why it’s not as simple as people think. It’s global, theological, and just the right amount of unhinged—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:14 – Shooting the Skybalon: Planes, trains, and autorickshaws 00:12:21 – The Bible Says What?!: The dumb man & Jezebel 00:22:02 – Communion Clapback: Responding to the comment section 00:34:57 – Shady Theology: God’s wrath
In this episode, Jamie & Eric start with Shooting the Skybalon, asking life’s tough questions: how much effort is too much when squeezing cheese out of the mac-and-cheese packet? Plus, Jamie shares how State Farm dumped him like a crazy ex—only to come crawling back. In Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with a hot topic: should kids stay in the main service with their parents, or do they need their own space? Then in Odd News, things get bizarre with a scuba-suited man robbing a store at Disney Springs. Finally, in Christian Conspiracies, they open up the strange world of the Book of Enoch—complete with angels, demons, forbidden metallurgy, and claims the Catholic Church has been hiding it all. It’s equal parts hilarious and thought-provoking—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:15 – Shooting the Skybalon: Cheese packets & State Farm drama 00:11:16 – Pester the Pastor: Should kids be separated from adults in church? 00:23:17 – Odd News: Scuba gear robbery at Disney Springs 00:31:45 – Christian Conspiracies: The Book of Enoch Wanna support the ministry of NOT the Sermon and see some behind the scene footage and inbetween segment insults? Check us out on Patreon!  https://www.patreon.com/c/NOTtheSermon
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick off with Shooting the Skybalon, where Eric accidentally plays a clip with a not-so-holy word during a staff meeting. In Shady Theology, the guys dig into the theology of speaking in tongues—what it is, what it’s for, and why it still matters. Next up in How Great is Our Pod, they debut a “prodigal” worship song with a special guest (hint, hint). Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they ask if multi-level marketing has any place in the church—or if it’s just spiritual spam. It’s raw, funny, and loaded with the mix of memes and theology you didn’t know you needed—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:13 – Shooting the Skybalon: Bad words in a staff meeting 00:11:06 – Shady Theology: Speaking in tongues 00:24:41 – How Great is Our Pod: A prodigal worship song 00:38:23 – Pester the Pastor: MLMs in the church Wanna see these ugly mugs and get behind the scenes footage? Check out our Patreon https://www.patreon.com/c/NOTtheSermon
In this episode, Jamie & Eric open with Shooting the Skybalon, where Eric dives into the strange world of the Amish Mafia and Jamie talks about staff meeting word games. In Weird Worship, they ask if there’s a secret worship cabal—are just a handful of people running the whole industry? Then it’s on to Odd News, where they debate whether becoming a Christian actually makes you “hotter.” Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with a practical question: is it okay for churches to track metrics like attendance and giving? It’s bizarre, hilarious, and just the right mix of memes and ministry—welcome to Not the Sermon. 00:00:19 – Shooting the Skybalon: Amish Mafia & word games 00:09:32 – Weird Worship: The worship cabal 00:23:37 – Odd News: Are Christians hotter? 00:33:04 – Pester the Pastor: Should churches track metrics?
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, swapping stories about college football heartbreak and debating whether you’ve got a “bestie” or a “worstie.” In Shady Theology, they wrestle with the tough question: Does God cause natural disasters? Then in Pester the Pastor, Eric manages to trigger Jamie during a heated discussion on small groups—are they helpful or just hype? Finally, in Christian Conspiracies, the guys dive into a wild one: was John the Baptist actually the real Messiah? 00:00:17 – Shooting the Skybalon: College football & besties vs. worsties 00:12:47 – Shady Theology: Does God cause natural disasters? 00:24:44 – Pester the Pastor: Eric triggers Jamie about small groups 00:35:09 – Christian Conspiracies: Was John the Baptist the real Messiah?
In this episode, Jamie & Eric open with Shooting the Skybalon, where Jamie leaves Phoenix an unfortunate voicemail and Eric ends up with a female locksmith story he can’t shake. In Weird Worship, the guys unpack the social media spat between Cory Asbury and Forrest Frank—asking if worship leaders should rise above the drama and act as role models. Next, in Houston, We Have a Question, they dive into the confusing world of end-times theology by asking the big one: Who is the Antichrist? Finally, in The Bible Says What!?, they wrestle with Paul telling the Judaizers he wishes they’d castrate themselves, plus an obscure Ecclesiastes passage about casting your bread. 00:00:19 – Shooting the Skybalon: Voicemails & locksmith stories 00:12:30 – Weird Worship: Cory Asbury & Forrest Frank drama 00:27:48 – Houston, We Have a Question: Who is the Antichrist? 00:36:35 – The Bible Says What?!: Judaizers & casting your bread
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, where a Sermonot takes a stab at interpreting Eric’s dream, and Jamie goes off on people who insist on backing into parking spaces. In Pester the Pastor, the guys dig into the Billy Graham/Mike Pence Rule and whether it’s wisdom or overkill. Then, in How Great is Our Pod, they debut Goodbye Sanity—a parody of Elevation Rhythm’s Goodbye Yesterday that you’ll never hear in church (for good reason). Finally, in Shady Theology, they wrestle with the rapture—what it is, where it came from, and why it might not mean what you think. 00:00:16 – Shooting the Skybalon: Dream interpreters & parking space rants 00:10:25 – Pester the Pastor: The Billy Graham/Mike Pence Rule 00:23:33 – How Great is Our Pod: Goodbye Sanity parody 00:31:57 – Shady Theology: The Rapture
In this episode, Jamie & Eric serve up a fresh round of theology, comedy, and chaos. In Shooting the Skybalon, Jamie tells the story of a fine dining experience that somehow featured a DJ, while Eric shares about catching a stray “Pharisee” insult in the church foyer. Next, in Shady Theology, the guys dive into stories of people claiming to visit heaven—are they legit or just tall tales? Over in So Help Meme God, they can’t stop laughing at “Gees Croyse We Luv U, God,” a viral moment featuring an overly excited guy breakdancing for Jesus. Finally, in Eric’s Edumakation, Eric breaks down the major atonement theories, why they exist, and why they actually matter for everyday faith.
In this episode, Jamie & Eric bring you MOOODALISM!!! and everything that comes with it. In Shooting the Skybalon, Eric owns up to a Facebook joke about compassion that may have landed a little too harsh, while Jamie recounts a mishap at a funeral. In Houston, We Have a Question, the guys tackle the big one: Modalism vs. the Trinity—why it matters, and how to keep your theology straight. Over in Weird Worship, they riff on Brandon Lake’s push for worship songs that actually connect with the average Christian—yes, even Bubba. And in Pester the Pastor, they dig into how to respond when prophecy goes sideways and weigh in on the latest Shawn Bolz controversy. 00:00:12 – Shooting the Skybalon: Eric’s compassion post joke & Jamie’s funeral mishap 00:09:20 – Houston, We Have a Question: Modalism vs. the Trinity 00:24:22 – Weird Worship: Brandon Lake, Bubba, and worship songs for the average Christian 00:36:31 – Pester the Pastor: Responding to false prophecy & the Shawn Bolz accusations
In this episode, Jamie & Eric talk about whether baptism is necessary, they show a little greek with the 4 Greek words for love, and play their favorite game, "Life's a Preach!"   Don't forget to check us out on Patreon where you can see our ugly mugs and get a little bit closer to the action! https://www.patreon.com/c/NOTtheSermon 00:00:12 Shooting the Skybalon: Mormon Temples and Chest Tattoos   00:10:17 Shady Theology: Baptism   00:25:34 Life's a Preach!   00:33:24 Your Greek is Showing: Love  
Season 3 is finally here! And we’re back, baby! Jamie and Eric return with a fresh batch of unfiltered (it's definitely filtered) comedy and theology. In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off by Shooting the Skybalon with a roast poem from one our listeners. They move on to Shady Theology, diving into the weird world of church membership. In Bible Says What!? they ask why John ran faster than Peter and discuss the nature of Bathroom Law.  In Pester the Pastor, they wade into the messy pool of Christian celebrity culture. Want to see our ugly mugs while we record? Check out our Patreon for video episodes and more behind-the-scenes chaos: https://www.patreon.com/c/NOTtheSermon
In this episode Eric is joined by friend of the pod, Noah Asher. They talk chaos, prison, and finding hope and humor in hopeless situations.  This is the last Summer Short Shorts of the season! Next week Jamie & Eric are back with new topics, new songs, and a new platform! Tune in August 11th for details!
In this episode, Jamie & Eric are joined by Jamie's wife Tiffany to talk about the time giant possum and her family moved into Jamie's house! Season 3 begins August 11th! Stay tuned for some major announcements and new features!
REPOST: In this episode, Jamie. & Eric talk denominations, cults, and heresy hunters! They also release a new NTS original song "My Name is On a Mailbox, Down the Great Dirt Road of Heaven"   Season 3 is right around the corner! Keep on keeping on, Sermonots!
In this episode Jamie & Eric are reunited (and it feels so good)! The boys shoot the skybalon, give some summer updates, and then dive in to their mid-summer shady...theology: Confession.
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