The Business of Dance

Interview Date: August 10th, 2025 Episode Summary:In this powerful and uplifting episode, we sit down with Aubrey Fisher — dancer, recording artist, and creative powerhouse — who went from teaching himself choreography in his living room to sharing stages with Jason Derulo, Snoop Dogg, Kendrick Lamar, DaBaby, and Tyga.Aubrey opens up about his unique path into the entertainment industry, revealing how he went from a college basketball player to one of the most recognizable names in commercial dance. Raised by a musical family, including his mother Angie Fisher, a Grammy-nominated vocalist, Aubrey shares how faith, discipline, and divine timing shaped his evolution as both a performer and a person.He takes listeners behind the curtain of tour life — from the long rehearsals and creative highs to the loneliness and grind that come with chasing big dreams. Aubrey also discusses how he transitioned from dance into music, using his platform to inspire and connect through storytelling, vulnerability, and sound.Throughout the episode, Aubrey drops gems on consistency, humility, networking, and staying grounded, while encouraging the next generation of dancers to embrace their individuality and to never give up, even when the path isn’t linear.This episode is perfect for dancers, aspiring choreographers, and creatives who dream of turning passion into purpose — and proof that you don’t need a traditional background to make it to the topShownotes: (0:00) – Welcome & intro to Aubrey Fisher’s journey(9:30) – Growing up dancing & balancing basketball dreams(11:56) – First dance class at Millennium Dance Complex(15:01) – Creating videos & finding confidence through content(18:37) – From 2017 videos to viral success(20:43) – Influence of Grammy-nominated mom, Angie Fisher(23:26) – Joining Jason Derulo’s tour & worldwide travel(27:14) – Tour life highs, lows & mental balance(35:04) – Industry lessons: business, ethics & awareness(1:29:49) – Final advice: stay humble, authentic & resilientBiography:Aubrey is known for his phenomenal dance skills and captivating stage presence, but now he’s taking the music world by storm. A rising star creating his own lane with a sound of music, singer, songwriter and professional dancer. Aubrey is a recording artist from Pasadena, California. At a young age, Aubrey was very much surrounded by music and entertainment by his Mother "Angie Fisher". A Grammy nominated singer who performed background vocals for Michael Jackson, Kelly Clarkson, Jennifer Lopez, Missy Elliott, Keisha Cole, Jamie Foxx, Michael Bublé and many more. Aubrey played basketball in college for one year to later quit to pursue his career as a professional dancer at the age of 19. Aubrey has made a remarkable fan base on social media and has accomplished many success in the dance industry and worked on jobs like Super Bowl, Samsung, Toyota Corolla commercial, Pacsun, Celsius, and many more. Aubrey has also worked with artists like Snoop Dogg, Kendrick Lamar, Dababy, Travis Scott, Jason Derulo and more. After a few years of working in the industry Aubrey has decided to build his career in music and says he wants to be the next “superstar”. Aubrey believes that he can make a huge impact in music starting off as an independent artist. Aubrey is an r&b, pop and hip-hop powerhouse vocalist and loves to create music for people to feel alive, happy, soulful and energetic. Aubrey is very versatile and loves to explore different styles of music, not only for himself but for the listeners as well.Connect on Social Media:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_aubreyfisher/

Interview Date: August 3rd, 2025Episode Summary: Choreographer/director Lindsey Blaufarb (half of LNC Collective) maps the leap from touring dancer to Emmy-nominated creative. A military kid who moved often, she found community through arts, earned an Urban Jam scholarship, then moved to L.A. at 17 to attend Hollywood High and the EDGE program—surviving on bar-mitzvah gigs and big dreams.Lindsey unpacks early heartbreaks and lucky breaks: the Christina Milian switcheroo, saying no to Britney’s Circus tour to fully pivot, and landing Avril Lavigne’s record-breaking “Girlfriend” video after being invited into Avril’s band. She breaks down real creative direction—styling, staging, lighting, content, team-building—and shares lessons from The Voice, Blue’s Big City Adventure, and directing Pentatonix’s tours.For dancers, she gives today’s playbook: build a brand look, study an artist’s world, post smart on Instagram, DM thoughtfully, be a great hang, and let your originality—and energy—do the talking. Mindset, resilience, and resourcefulness thread through it all.Shownotes:(0:00) – Welcome, Guest Intro, Urban Jam throwback,(9:48) – Late start, moving often, arts community(12:32) – Urban Jam scholarship leads to L.A.(13:55) – Hollywood High + EDGE, solo at 17(21:12) – Christina Milian switch; “everything happens” lesson(28:58) – Turned down Britney tour to pivot(32:31) – Avril invites band; choreographs “Girlfriend”(39:24) – Blue’s Big City Adventure: feature musical(41:51) – Directing Pentatonix tours; Christmas prep(49:40) – How to stand out now: brand, energyBiography:Lindsey Blaufarb is one half of L&C Collective and an Emmy-nominated and two-time World Choreography Award-winning choreographer and director. Her celebrated work spans film, commercials, music videos, television, and live performances, including The Masked Singer, The Voice, America’s Got Talent, and the musical feature film Blue’s Big City Adventure.In music, she has collaborated with top artists such as Karol G, Lykke Li, Pentatonix, Tori Kelly, Jacob Collier, Kelly Rowland, Pink, Blake Shelton, Weezer, Missy Elliot, Ty Dolla $ign, Usher, Miley Cyrus, Nicki Minaj, Justin Bieber, Ricky Martin, Avril Lavigne, and others, crafting iconic moments like Cee-Lo Green’s Grammy-nominated F** You* music video.Her commercial credits include major campaigns for Target, Apple, McDonald’s, Hyundai, Madden, and a variety of globally recognized brands.Renowned for her originality and trendsetting artistry, Lindsey continues to push boundaries and elevate entertainment across every medium.Connect on Social Media:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/im_lindseyb?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==Website: https://www.clcollective.net/

Interview Date: June 22nd, 2025Episode Summary:Dytto (aka Courtney Kelly) — the fembot icon of the dance community whose viral “Barbie Girl” freestyle on World of Dance launched a global following of ~10M across platforms. A professional mover, personality, and director, she’s appeared on The Ellen DeGeneres Show, starred in national campaigns (Android Wear, Target), and most recently served as Assistant Choreographer for Shakira.In this conversation, Dytto traces her path from studio kid and cheerleader to self-driven freestyler, sharing how an alter ego helped her overcome stage fright and claim a unique lane in a male-dominated popping/animation space. She breaks down the business: why brand deals followed when she started talking (not just dancing), how she balances content “pillars,” and the realities of name usage, credits, and trademarking a stage name.We also dive into monetization (and why dancing to copyrighted music pays everyone but the dancer), creating original music (Fembot Files), and her upcoming training app The Next Move—a practical system for turning freestyle fear into confidence. In the live Q&A she offers concrete drills, mindset resets, and career advice on evolving publicly, navigating street vs. commercial worlds, booking without auditions, and staying grounded in who you are—especially when everyone’s watching.Shownotes:(0:00) – Welcome & intro: “Barbie Girl” viral phenom joins the show(2:13) – Early dance journey: from studio kid to freestyler(4:27) – The making of “Barbie Girl” — purpose behind the moment(6:20) – Creating “Dytto”: alter ego that conquered stage fright(11:43) – Managing identity: real name vs. stage name(15:50) – Viral momentum → brand deals, Ellen, and global recognition(19:47) – $100K brand deal & secret to attracting sponsorships(25:16) – New ventures: launching The Next Move freestyle app(26:56) – Owning creativity: why she makes her own music (Fembot Files)(1:18:16) – Final reflections: authenticity, vulnerability, and self-beliefBiography:Dytto, the fembot icon of the dance community, is a professional mover, personality, and director. You may have seen her as a 17 yr old in her first viral freestyle on World of Dance called 'Barbie Girl' which launched her into a fruitful career. Since, she's been in numerous commercials, campaigns, and productions, some even of her own, being self-directed and produced for her infamous Youtube channel. Most recently, we watch her work come to life from her time assistant choreographing for the one and only, Shakira.Connect on Social Media:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/iam_dytto/Website - iamdytto.com

Interview Date: July 14th, 2025Episode Summary:Eden Shabtai shares how a kid from a tiny Israeli kibbutz—obsessed with MTV and training in ballet and modern—willed her way into New York’s scene and eventually L.A.’s major stages. She opens up about the unglamorous decade of artist development, underpaid gigs, and nonstop outreach that built the foundation for her “overnight” break assisting on Chris Brown’s Loyal, leading to major award shows and TV. A six-month backpacking trip through India reshaped her idea of success, while the O-1 visa process taught ruthless persistence. Eden also speaks candidly about receiving an aggressive breast-cancer diagnosis while five months pregnant, undergoing chemo with cold-cap treatments, and protecting her peace by avoiding toxic workrooms.Creatively, Eden explains why she builds choreography live in the studio—feeding off dancers and music—and why energy, individuality, and attitude matter more than stacked résumés. Listeners will gain insight into using social media strategically, differences between NYC training and L.A. work volume, how to stand out in auditions (presence, styling, quick adjustments), and the mindset that sustains a career: humility, resilience, and community.Shownotes:(0:00) – Welcome and guest introduction(8:20) – Early roots: ballet, modern, MTV influence(13:53) – India trip reframes success and happiness(15:24) – Visa grind: persistence, evidence, good lawyer(18:53) – Moving to L.A.: training vs. booking realities(21:08) – Breakthrough: assisting on “Loyal”(26:44) – Favorite projects: BET 2014, Fleur East(29:31) – Cancer while pregnant: resilience and boundaries(42:05) – Creative process: energy-first choreography(51:19) – What makes dancers stand outBiography:Originally from a kibbutz in northern Israel, Eden began training in ballet and modern at age 7. With no formal hip-hop classes available at the time, she learned by watching MTV. Determined to pursue dance professionally, she left home at 16 to study at a specialized dance school. After serving in the IDF, she spent six transformative months traveling India before moving to New York City to chase her dream.In NYC, Eden trained at Broadway Dance Center and quickly became a sought-after teacher for over 150 young students while choreographing for up-and-coming artists. Realizing her long-term goals required a move west, she relocated to Los Angeles in 2010.Since then, Eden has worked across NBC, ABC, BET, FOX, CBS, VH1, CW, and MTV. Her credits include the VMAs, Grammys, Billboard Awards, Dancing with the Stars, iHeart Radio Awards, BET Awards, Soul Train Awards, X Factor, The Ellen Show, James Corden, American Idol, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, and more. She has choreographed campaigns for Hasbro, Office Max, Office Depot, HEB, and Clark’s.Eden has worked with artists including Chris Brown, Ariana Grande, Demi Lovato, Pitbull, Ava Max, Jason Derulo, Enrique Iglesias, Jamie Foxx, Ne-Yo, Lil Wayne, Marc Anthony, Flo-Rida, Brandy, Omarion, Miguel, Pia Mia, Little Mix, Sevyn Streeter, No Doubt, Snoop Dogg, Kehlani, Janelle Monáe, Fleur East, Priyanka Chopra, Machine Gun Kelly, Tinashe, WizKid, Serayah, DJ Snake, Hardwell, YungBlud, Jack & Jack, and many more.In 2017 Eden served as a Judge/Mentor on a new Israeli dance competition series, where she became the winning mentor. Today she works as a choreographer, artistic director, artist developer, and consultant—living by her belief that with hard work, mental strength, and determination, anything is possible.Connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/theedengarden/Website – https://edenshabtai.com/

Interview Date: July 6th, 2025Episode Summary:MSA New York’s Talent Director Bre Traver breaks down exactly how dancers get on an agent’s radar and build sustainable careers. From her path from dancer to agent, to what MSA looks for in reels, headshots, and Instagrams, Bre shares practical, no-fluff guidance on submissions, onboarding, and being an ideal client. She contrasts the NYC vs. LA markets (live stage, Broadway, tours, award shows), outlines big client don’ts, and explains how agents scout in class, at shows, and online. The lively Q&A hits trends, triple-threat training, youth work, self-tapes vs. in-person calls, and why persistence, professionalism, and clear goals separate dancers who book “the big jobs.”Shownotes:(0:00) – Welcome & intro to MSA and Bre’s NYC leadership (11:28) – Bre’s journey: dancer to MSA Talent Director(20:24) – Inside MSA NYC: Broadway, tours, TV, and more (24:53) – How dancers get signed and scouted by agents (28:14) – Social media tips: Instagram presence that books work (32:23) – Onboarding goals: materials, availability, and communication(35:56) – NYC vs LA markets: knowing where you belong (39:10) – Professionalism tips: biggest audition and booking don'ts(44:10) – How agents scout in class and online presence matters (51:12) – Q&A takeaways: training, self-tapes, visas, and persistenceBiography:Bre Traver joined McDonald Selznick Associates East Coast division in 2007. She worked through the ranks as an assistant to Jr. Agent, to Franchised Sr. Agent, to Director of the Talent Department to now Equity Partner in the company. Prior to agenting, Bre grew up as a dancer and received a BFA from University at Buffalo. Bre is still serving as a lead agent for MSA’s NY talent roster. Over the years she has had the pleasure of booking clients on national commercials (APPLE, Advil PM, Pepsi), feature films (Best of The Best, West Side Story, In The Heights, 13, Tick Tick Boom), television (SNL, Law & Order, Pose, Maisel, Étoile, GMA, The Tonight Show, Last Week Tonight), award shows (MTV VMAs, BET Awards, Super Bowl Halftime), national tours (Hamilton, Wicked, Moulin Rogue, MJ, Hell's Kitchen, Beetlejuice, Some Like It Hot, The Notebook, Mean Girls, Chicago), and live work (Corporate industrials, New York Fashion Week, The Met Gala). Bre is proud to work on behalf of such an established roster of talent and enjoys keeping her finger on the pulse of our ever-changing industry!Connect on Social Media:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/breezyotoole/?hl=enWebsite: www.msaagency.com

Interview Date: June 1st, 2025Episode Summary:Menina sits down with Tara-Jean Popowich—winner of So You Think You Can Dance Canada Season 2—for an inspiring look at resilience, self-belief, and adventure. From moving out at 15 to chase training, to struggling with $5/hour jobs in L.A., to the heartbreak of being cut from SYTYCD Season 1 and the comeback that won her the crown, Tara-Jean shares how grit, heart, and community shaped her career.She reflects on the whirlwind that followed—international tours, Bollywood, Dancing with the Stars India, and performing across 74 countries. We hear how she built longevity in an unpredictable industry, the challenges of visas and branding, and her passion project Human First, Dancer Second. Tara-Jean’s honesty about comparison, mindset, and mental health is a gift to young dancers navigating their own journeys.This episode is perfect for dancers chasing professional careers, teachers mentoring students with big dreams, and anyone curious about building a life in the arts that balances adventure, resilience, and authenticity.Show Notes(0:00) - Welcome & intro to Tara-Jean Popowich (9:02) - Starting in small-town Alberta; cruise ships as “only dream” (10:59) - Moving out at 15; juggling work, school, and dance (13:20) - First LA move; cleaning studios to train (16:09) - Cut from SYTYCD Season 1; comeback mindset (20:49) - Winning Season 2; confetti, cash prize, new doors (23:42) - Life after SYTYCD; global whirlwind of jobs (24:05) - India chapter: Bollywood, DWTS, love & challenges (30:21) - Years abroad: London, Costa Rica, NY base (32:02) - New focus: creative direction & Human First convention(34:57) - Advice to younger self: believe earlier, avoid comparison (36:01) - Q&A: mindset, favorite projects, navigating LA (42:30) - The power of personal brand & social media (45:00) - Visa realities: O-1s, green cards, legal path (49:00) - Q&A: favorite country, advice for young dancers (56:13) - Balancing passion vs. career; finding other outlets (57:53) - Final advice: stop comparing, find joy, trust your pathBiography:Tara-Jean Popowich is most known for winning "So you think you can dance"-Canada Season 2. Since the show she has been based out of NYC, LA, London, and India. During her time in NYC she was "Carly Rae Jepsen's" Choreographer and dancer seen on "Jimmy Fallon" and "Live with Kelly". Tara-Jean is also seen in Pharrells music video "Happy", "Turn it up" American tour, "Groove Street productions" , “Excel” guest faculty, choreographer for "So you think you can dance" Ukraine and special guest performer, choreographed and performed for Ballet Africa, IDS instructor in Madrid Spain, yearly performer with "SYTYCD" USA All-stars in China,  Dove Cameron’s new video with Disney, is 1 of 6 featured dancers in a feature film based in Scotland, with choreographer Stacey Tookey. TJ was living in India and made top 6 as the celebrity on "Dancing with the stars"-season 7.  TJ was named one of the "hottest top 12 convention teachers" in the U.S. Tara-Jean is seen in Calvin klein's, "Dance in my calvin's" campaign. More recently on tour with VORTEX around South America and Europe. Check out Tara-Jean dancing for Shania Twain “swinging with my eyes closed” video. Also An official judge for “world of dance” in Poland. Tara-Jean is also an official ambassador for “MOVE IT” the biggest dance event in the UK. 28,000 dancers from around the world. Where Tj will be teaching, performing, autograph sessions, and photo sessions.Tara-Jean directed and choreographed for the famous hand to hand acrobat’s “Charolette an Nicolas” from France’s got talent. Keep your eye out for her dancing in the hit TV series “What we do in the shadows” FX network. Connect on Social Media:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tarajeanpopowich/Website - www.tara-jean.com

Interview Date: October 17, 2025Episode Summary:In this landmark 100th episode, the spotlight turns onto the visionary behind it all — Menina Fortunato, creator of The Business of Dance as a dance mentor and podcast host. Interviewed by longtime friend and fellow performer Linda Ayentes, Menina reflects on her extraordinary career over the decades spanning live entertainment, television, touring, entrepreneurship, and motherhood.Menina shares her beginnings growing up as a competitive dancer in Canada, her bold move to Los Angeles, and the early hustle of auditioning, securing her agent, and booking major projects. She opens up about performing with icons including Britney Spears, Beyoncé, Paula Abdul, Earth Wind & Fire, Rain, Carmen Electra, and working on massive productions like America's Got Talent, Star Trek: Enterprise, Alias, MAD TV, and more. From national commercials, world tours, TV/Film credits, Menina recounts the highs, heartbreaks, and the pivotal moments that shaped her artistic growth.This episode also explores Menina’s evolution into producer and mentor—launching The Hollywood Summer Tour, and The Business of Dance online mentorship program helping hundreds of dancers book agents, cruise contracts, national tours, Netflix roles, Disney jobs, and commercial careers. She speaks candidly about balancing motherhood with juggling a career, burnout, rebuilding after 2020, and her mission to elevate and educate the next generation of dancers worldwide.This episode is perfect for: dancers, choreographers, dance parents, young performers, creatives seeking longevity, and anyone craving inspiration from a woman who has reinvented herself at every stage of her career.Shownotes:(0:00) – Celebrating Episode 100 & introducing Menina Fortunato(2:45) – How Menina and Linda first met(6:10) – Menina’s early years growing up in dance(12:40) – Moving to LA & landing her first agent(18:55) – Booking major jobs: Beyoncé, Paula Abdul, Britney Spears(27:30) – Performing on TV shows, tours, and award shows(33:20) – Transitioning into producing and choreography(47:50) – Launching The Hollywood Summer Tour & elevating young dancers(1:02:35) – Creating The Business of Dance Mentorship(1:25:10) – Menina’s advice on career longevity and reinventionMenina Fortunato is the founder of Menina Entertainment and a powerhouse in the dance and entertainment industry with over 30 years of experience. She has performed on global stages and in major productions such as America’s Got Talent, Latin AMAs, Star Trek: Enterprise, and DC’s Legends of Tomorrow—sharing the stage with icons like Britney Spears, Beyoncé, Paula Abdul, Earth, Wind & Fire, and Maluma.Seamlessly transitioning from performer to producer, Menina has choreographed and produced for The X Factor, America’s Got Talent, and music videos filmed at Universal and Paramount Studios. She has also served as a producer and voting panelist for the Universal Dance Awards and appeared as a guest judge on Dance Moms.As the visionary behind The Hollywood Summer Tour and The Business of Dance—the online mentorship program and podcast—Menina continues to empower and educate dancers worldwide as a dance mentor and podcast host.Her work has been featured in over 400 media outlets including Forbes, Success Magazine, FOX, Billboard, ABC, NBC, and top dance publications and podcasts.Also a proud wife and mom of three, Menina is known for her resilience, versatility, and lifelong commitment to elevating the next generation of performers.Connect on social media:Website:https://www.bizofdance.com/Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/meninafortunato/https://www.instagram.com/thebizofdance/https://www.instagram.com/dancehst/

Interview Date: May 25th,2025Episode Summary:Corynne Barron shares how a late start in dance, a ringette goalie’s grit, and a chance UK scholarship reshaped her technique and career trajectory. She walks us through So You Think You Can Dance Canada, cruise ships, and ultimately headlining as the Black Widow in Cirque du Soleil’s Mystère. Corynne opens up about saying “no” until the right “yes,” rehabbing a hip surgery, balancing motherhood with teaching and choreographing elite gymnastics floor routines, and the mindset shifts that turn nerves into fuel. Along the way: practical audition tips, backstage culture, and why confidence—and kindness—are a dancer’s best business strategy.Shownotes:(0:50) - Introduction & career highlights: RWB, SYTYCD, Cirque(3:06) - Late dance start at 12; goalie to dancer(4:10) - Year at Royal Winnipeg Ballet; classical training focus(7:00) - SYTYCD dream begins; early ambition sparks(10:02) - UK scholarship retrains technique from basics(10:18–11:06) - Secret SYTYCD audition on 18th birthday(16:18–19:39) - Cirque path: Berlin detour to Mystère lead(21:24–22:12) - Motherhood, teaching & choreographing gymnastics routines(23:06–35:06) - Q&A: auditions, cruise ships, nerves as excitement(36:09–47:27) - Final advice: confidence, kindness, and saying yesBiography:Corynne Barron – Choreographer, Performer, and Visionary ArtistCorynne Barron is a celebrated artist whose remarkable career spans dance, performance, and choreography on a global stage. Trained at prestigious institutions such as the Royal Winnipeg Ballet School and under Kate Simmons in Warrington, England, Corynne gained national acclaim as a Top 12 finalist on So You Think You Can Dance Canada. Her performance credits include the lead soloist role of “Black Widow” in Cirque du Soleil’s Mystère in Las Vegas, where she performed for three years, redefined the character, and served as Dance Captain. At Friedrichstadt-Palast Berlin, Europe’s largest theatre, she excelled as Dance Captain, soloist, aerialist, and ensemble dancer amongst a cast of over 60 dancers, with the partnering pole number created on her by Brian Friedman. Corynne has captivated audiences on America’s Got Talent, Shaq’s Fun House during the Super Bowl, the Vegas Strong benefit at T-Mobile Arena representing Mystère, and pre-show performances for the Vegas Golden Knights.In film, Corynne performed as a dancer in a project in Scotland directed by Stacey Tookey for Imagination Film. Her work with Royal Caribbean Entertainment Studios on Allure of the Seas and Liberty of the Seas showcased her versatility as an aerialist, aqua show performer, dancer, and singer. She also modeled for Mondor Danceline in Montreal, and her image can still be found on Mondor tights to this day.Now a prominent choreographer and educator, Corynne creates national-level floor routines for gymnastics and serves as an instructor at dance studios. She is a respected adjudicator for competitions such as Candance Convention and 5678 Showtime and teaches at IDance Convention Canada. Her past contributions include assisting at Nuvo Convention and teaching at Cirque du Soleil auditions, reflecting her commitment to nurturing future talent.With multiple offers from Cirque du Soleil culminating in her iconic Mystère role, Corynne’s career exemplifies her exceptional artistry. She continues to inspire through her innovative choreography and passion for the performing arts.Connect on Social Media:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/corynnebarron/

Interview Date: December 14th, 2024Episode Summary:Vanessa Fuller, a dancer, choreographer, and the artistic director of Xcape Dance Company. Vanessa shares her inspiring journey from growing up in Eugene, Oregon, to becoming a multifaceted professional in the dance industry. She discusses her extensive career, including working with artists like E-40 and Twista, and her recent appearance on HBO Max’s Second Chance Stage. The show, which provides a platform for individuals over 30 to chase their dreams despite past obstacles, features Vanessa as one of the few dancers. Vanessa reflects on how she balanced family life, owning a dance studio, and maintaining her passion for dance, despite the challenges. She emphasizes the importance of perseverance, maintaining relationships in the industry, and building an authentic personal brand. She also shares business tips for aspiring dancers, highlighting the importance of being true to oneself and using authenticity as a key to long-term success. Vanessa encourages dancers to embrace discomfort and use challenges as opportunities for growth. Show Notes:(0:00) Introduction to Vanessa Fuller(2:00) Vanessa's early dance journey and passion for movement(5:30) Balancing family life with a dance career(10:00) Running Escape Dance Company and owning a studio(13:45) Vanessa’s appearance on HBO Max's Second Chance Stage(18:00) The concept of Second Chance Stage for dancers over 30(21:00) Transitioning from studio owner to pursuing larger opportunities(25:00) The importance of perseverance and relationships in booking work(30:00) Building an authentic personal brand(35:00) Advice on standing out in auditions(40:00) The role of community in the dance world(45:00) Managing business and family while staying connected to dance(50:00) Embracing discomfort for growth(55:00) Tips for dancers on navigating the business side of dance(60:00) Building a strong social media presence(65:00) Advice for older dancers and overcoming comparisons(70:00) The importance of persistence and passion(75:00) Closing thoughts on staying true to your journeyBiography:Vanessa Fuller is a dancer, choreographer, and artistic director originally from Eugene, OR. She is the artistic director of Xcape Dance Company, where she has produced 10 full-length shows. Her dance and choreography have graced the stages of Club Jeté—LA's premier dance experience—and concerts from New York to California with artists such as E-40, Twista, The Game, Bone Thugz-N-Harmony, Zion I, and E.T. She has also worked on industrial projects for NAPA Auto Parts, Build San Francisco, the Qwest Events Center in Seattle, and Rockstar Energy Drink. She was a winning contestant on CBS’s Let’s Make a Deal with Wayne Brady. Vanessa and her dance company filmed a casting pilot for MTV’s Made, a regional commercial, print ads for the University of Oregon, and have been featured performers in various professional events. Vanessa's choreography has won numerous awards at competitions and conventions and has won the JIGTV Brian Friedman Video Choreography Critique Contest at www.jigtv.com! Most recently, Vanessa was a dancer in the Emmy-nominated production of DanceAbility on Art Beat for OPB and choreographer and dancer for the headlining performance at the World Track and Field Festival sponsored by ASICS.Vanessa’s training background includes hip-hop, jazz funk, and contemporary. She has trained at EDGE PAC (Los Angeles), Millennium Dance Complex (North Hollywood), Dance Mission (San Francisco), Monsters of Hip Hop, and master workshops with some of the best in the industry.Connect on Social Media:https://www.instagram.com/vanessafullerdancehttps://www.facebook.com/vanessafullerdanceWebsitehttps://xcapedance.my.canva.site/vanessafullerdance

Interview Date: May 11th, 2025Houston Ballet soloist Jacquelyn Long traces her path from living-room pliés with her mom (a former pro) to summer intensives, HBII, and the main company. She shares how relationships and coachability shaped her trajectory, why modern/contemporary versatility now matters as much as classical technique, and how social media helps—but shouldn’t replace—the messy, vital process. We dig into audition materials, the “right” photos, favorite roles (Sylvia! Cinderella!), life as a working ballerina (weekly schedule, contracts, AGMA, benefits), pointe-shoe realities, nerves and mindset, longevity habits, and her growing passion for choreography. Plus: where to see her onstage next and practical encouragement for dancers finding their own path.Show Notes:(0:41) - Intro & bio; welcome Jacquelyn Long (2:20) - How she started; early training at home (2:24) - Mom steps back; Janina trains until 11 (3:14) - Houston Ballet intensives begin at 14 (5:31) - “Go where you’re liked” scholarships lesson (6:49) - Relationships, coachability, work ethic matter(12:20) - Be versatile: modern/contemporary equals ballet (14:03) - Social media’s role; process over perfection (16:03) - Audition toolkit: video, resume, show both styles (18:49) - Best photos: true headshot, first arabesque (20:32) - Favorite roles; Sylvia, Cinderella, new premieres (22:21) - Business mindset: many paths, trust timing (25:38) - Next chapter: choreography alongside performing (45:16) - Contracts, AGMA, pay cadence, key benefits(54:55) - Pointe shoes: custom Bloch, company-paid(57:46) - Final advice; where to see Houston BalletBiography:Jacquelyn Long began her ballet training under the direction of her mother, Suzanne Lownsbury, and Janina Michalski at Ballet Virginia. In 2010, she joined Houston Ballet II (HBII). After two years in the second company, Jacquelyn joined Houston Ballet as a Corps de Ballet member in 2012. Ms. Long was promoted to Soloist in 2016.Ms. Long has performed leading roles such as the title role in Stanton Welch's Sylvia; Hermia in John Neumeier’s A Midsummer Night’s Dream; Gamzatti in Stanton Welch’s La Bayadère; Myrtha in Stanton Welch’s Giselle; Sugar Plum Fairy and Clara in Stanton Welch’s The Nutcracker; Valencienne in Ronald Hynd’s The Merry Widow; Carabosse and Princess Florine in Ben Stevenson's The Sleeping Beauty; Snow Queen in Ben Stevenson's The Nutcracker; Miranda in Stanton Welch's Romeo and Juliet.  She has also danced featured roles in George Balanchine’s Serenade, Emeralds, Concerto Barocco, and Symphony in C; Jiří Kylián's Stepping Stones, Dreamtime, and Wings of Wax; Justin Peck's Year of the Rabbit and Under the Folding Sky; William Forsythe’s Artifact Suite and In the middle somewhat elevated; Jorma Elo's ONE/end/ONE; Jerome Robbin’s Fancy Free; Stanton Welch's Divergence, Paquita, Velocity, Maninyas, Tapestry, and Son of Chamber Symphony.Ms. Long was also featured in the Dancer's Spotlight of the 2013 October/November issue of Pointe Magazine and in the 2013 February issue of Dance Spirit Magazine.Connect on Social Media:Website - https://www.houstonballet.org/Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jac_long/

Interview Date: May 4th, 2025Episode Summary:Australian dancer–choreographer–TV judge Joshua Horner traces his wildly diverse path: asthma kid → Australian Ballet soloist → West End lead in Movin’ Out → Broadway’s Billy Elliot → Disney creative in Los Angeles → Dancing With The Stars judge → reality-TV creator → and finally, a show-stopping pivot into real estate where he sells homes with full theatrical flair. Along the way he unpacks visas, networking that pays off a decade later, audition tactics, standing out without gimmicks, why technique still wins, and how to future-proof a dance career with bravery, focus, and business sense. The Q&A dives into agents in Australia, cruise-ship hustles, concert vs. commercial dance choices, and breaking into BroadwayShownotes:(0:00) — Roll call, cameras on, global intros(0:59) — Guest intro: multi-market career highlights(3:21) — Asthma leads Josh into dance(6:12) — Australian Ballet School, company contract(6:37) — Dirty Dancing understudy; Twyla Tharp notice(7:59) — London West End lead, green card plan(8:59) — Broadway debut, Billy Elliot & Tony Awards(18:05) — Disney dream: 10-year networking seed blooms(23:32) — DWTS judge role; weekly LA–Australia commute(26:03) — Reality TV pilot; shifting industry landscape(28:14 )— Breakup with dance, pivot to real estate(30:26)— Viral listings: showgirls, humor, entertainment(34:48) — Q&A: agents, cruise ships, hustling tips(45:20) — Career crossroads: commercial vs. contemporary dance(59:14) — Final advice: technique, smarts, braveryBiography:Ladies and gentlemen, meet Josh Horner – the former dance floor dynamo, Disneyland's creative wizard, and the unforgettable judge on Dancing With The Stars! Now back in his hometown, Josh is lighting up real estate with The Horner Agency and his iconic gnome sidekick. Forget record-breaking sales—it's his viral videos that have buyers and vendors lining up, all because the JOY is real with this guy! With a knack for connecting and a flair for fun, every deal with Josh is a showstopper. Get ready to experience real estate like never before!Connect on Social Media:Website - ⁠thehorneragency.comInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/joshuajhorner/

Interview Date: September 21st, 2025Episode Summary:In this inspiring conversation, Menina Fortunato sits down with Julie McDonald, the trailblazing co-founder of MSA Agency and the first dance agent in history. Julie shares her incredible journey from professional dancer to industry visionary—representing some of the biggest names in choreography and performance.She reflects on the evolution of the commercial dance world, the importance of professionalism and preparation, and what truly sets apart dancers who build lasting careers. Julie offers invaluable advice on networking, auditions, and why knowing your dance history—from Bob Fosse to Jerome Robbins—is essential for any serious artist.From agency insight to mentorship, this episode is filled with stories, wisdom, and warmth from a woman who changed the industry for dancers everywhere. Julie also shares exciting news about being honored with the Trailblazer Award at Gala of the Stars—a full-circle moment for one of dance’s greatest advocates.This episode is perfect for dancers, teachers, and aspiring professionals who want to understand the business behind dance, the art of longevity, and the power of curiosity and gratitude in shaping a meaningful career.Shownotes:(0:00) – Welcome & intro to Julie McDonald and her legacy (3:15) – Julie’s start as a dancer & transition into agency life (7:40) – Founding MSA: creating the first dance agency in the world(12:25) – Representing choreographers, dancers & industry icons(22:10) – What makes a dancer stand out to an agent(35:05) – How the dance industry evolved through the decades (50:12) – Advice: professionalism, mindset, and consistency (1:13:05) – Julie’s message: know your dance history & icons (1:16:16) – Gala of the Stars — Julie honored with Trailblazer Award(1:16:57) – Closing: gratitude, selfies, and inspiration for young dancersBiography:Julie McDonald is the visionary co-owner of McDonald Selznick Associates (MSA) and a trailblazer in dance and choreography representation. In 1985, she launched the first talent agency devoted exclusively to dance, setting a new standard for advocacy, professionalism, and artistic excellence in the industry.From the outset, Julie championed fair terms and improved working conditions for dancers and choreographers, tirelessly promoting the visibility and integrity of commercial dance. In 2000, she joined forces with Tony Selznick to found MSA, which today represents a roster of award‑winning talent. Her clients have earned Emmy, Tony, MTV, and MTV Awards—while leading the creative teams behind Broadway hits, Las Vegas spectaculars, high‑profile films, television dramas, sitcoms, and major awards shows (Emmy, Grammy, Oscar).A dedicated collaborator and industry visionary, Julie co‑created the American Choreography Awards (1994–2004), celebrating excellence in dance across media. Her pioneering work has been recognized with Lifetime Achievement Awards from both the Choreographers Carnival and McCallum’s Choreography Festival.Through her ongoing projects and continued leadership at MSA, Julie McDonald remains a powerful force in shaping the future of dance, honoring its past, and empowering the artists who bring it to life.Connect on Social Media:Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/juliemcdonaldmsa/

Interview Date: June 29th, 2025Episode Summary:Menina welcomes actor–dancer Rachele Brooke Smith for a candid ride from fearful gymnast to leading roles in Center Stage: Turn It Up, Bring It On, Iron Man 2, and a new superhero film. Rachele unpacks visualization, journaling, and “do the brave thing” as career fuel; navigating post-win lows; rehabbing injuries with PT, anti-inflammatory nutrition, rest, and affirmations; and how versatility (breakdance, pointe, martial arts, stunts) opened doors. They close on boundaries, kindness, and building a brand rooted in energy, gratitude, and courage.Shownotes:(2:09) — Guest intro: dancer, actor, speaker, 45+ credits(4:28) — Gymnastics struggles, anxiety, and harsh coaching(6:27) — Center Stage sparks life-changing visualization dream(8:59) — Six auditions, three months, wins lead role(10:55) — Post-success low; tools for mindset reset(17:59) — Major injury setback; healing through PT and rest(21:31) — Affirmations, nutrition, gratitude practices in recovery(1:20:21) — Transition from stiff gymnast to fluid dancer(1:24:48) — Martial arts, breakdance, stunts expand acting career(1:26:09) — Superhero film role; theme: even heroes need helpBiography:Award-Winning Actress & Film Producer | World-Renowned Dancer & Wellness Practitioner | Magnetic Inspirational Speaker Rachele Brooke Smith, star of Center Stage: Turn It Up, Bring It On: Fight to the Finish, Atomic Shark, Popstar and 45+ other films and TV shows—and her upcoming superhero film Legend of the White Dragon, premiering later this year—seamlessly bridges the worlds of entertainment and holistic well-being. An award-winning performer, sought-after speaker, and co-founder of Relationship Renegades, she merges decades of expertise in mind-body connection with cutting-edge biohacking practices to empower individuals to reclaim their vitality, magnetism, personal freedom, and creative expansion.  Her transformative workshop, Expression Therapy, combines dynamic movement, emotional release techniques, and neuroscience-backed tools to help attendees shatter self-limiting patterns, amplify confidence, and unlock their highest potential. Drawing from her journey as a Hollywood artist and wellness advocate, Rachele’s methods blend artistic authenticity with actionable strategies for mental clarity, emotional resilience, and peak performance.  A trailblazer in experiential healing, Rachele has been featured at global wellness summits and on platforms like E! News and Access Hollywood. Join her to discover the liberating power of authentic expression—and biohack your way to a bold, unapologetic life.  Connect on Social Media:Website: www.RacheleBSmith.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/rbrookesmith/ https://www.instagram.com/relationship.renegades/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@rachelebrookesmith?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pcYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@rachelebsmith

Interview Date: April 13th, 2025Episode Summary:International choreographer, aerialist, and performer Johanna Sapakie (Cirque du Soleil, Super Bowl LIV with Jennifer Lopez, Hustlers, Dita Las Vegas) drops a masterclass in longevity and reinvention. From creating her own “scholarship program” after a studio closed, to bold networking that led to her first agent within months, Johanna shows how resourcefulness plus relentless training turn opportunities into credits. She breaks down the leap from dancer to aerialist/pole artist, how Hustlers led straight to the Super Bowl, and why the real separator isn’t trick difficulty—it’s entertainment value. We also cover working with A-list artists, targeted demo reels, practical grip/endurance tips, and her current creative leadership role revamping Ringling Brothers. If you’re an aspiring pro, this episode is your blueprint for asking clearly, training smart, and staying in the game—decades in.Shownotes:(0:00) — Introductions & career pivots during pandemic(11:46)— Builds DIY scholarship training program(18:48) — First agent & early industry mentors(23:44) — Discovering aerial work, first opportunities(30:28) — Cirque du Soleil breakthrough moment(32:33) — Pole artistry, JLo & Hustlers36:49 — Inside JLo’s work ethic & process(42:46) — Training evolution: 20s, 30s, 40s(45:23) — Creative directing Ringling & Dita Las Vegas(50:47) — Entertainment value outlasts technical tricksBiography:Johanna Sapakie is an accomplished Artistic Director, Choreographer and Performer. Johanna has been involved in many projects on stage and on camera including the Super Bowl LIV Halftime Show, Hustlers and Medicine with JLo, Cirque Du Soleil's Michael Jackson ONE and Viva ELVIS, Dancing With the Stars, So You Think You Can Dance, The Tournament of Roses Parade, RuPaul’s Drag Race Live, Shiners Nashville, the Arabesque Festival at the Kennedy Center, Songs of Soul and Inspiration with Debbie Allen, the re- release of Michael Jackson’s “Blood on the Dance Floor”, Miley Cyrus: Live in Concert World Tour, 2 tours for Madonna and Splendor by Dragone. Johanna is also an accomplished aerial acrobat and performs on many different apparatus including tissú, lyra, spans, hammock, acro & aerial pole, and aerial heart . She has just recently completed the creation of the new residency Dita Las Vegas: A Jubilant Revue as their acrobatic and associate choreographer. Johanna also proudly teaches master classes and workshops around the world in pole, aerial acrobatics and dance. She excels at artist development and act creation.Connect on social media:Instagram: Www.instagram.com/johannasapakiereal

Interview Date: April 6th, 2025Episode Summary:Eseniia is an 8-year-old dance prodigy originally from Moscow, now performing and training in the U.S., who rose to international attention after viral clips and a standout run on America’s Got Talent. In this episode Eseniia  joins the Business of Dance with her parents—both dancers and teachers—to trace how a family training method, early multistyle exposure, and fearless play helped her develop an unusual musicality and stage confidence at a very young age.The conversation covers concrete career milestones (viral social repost by Chris Brown, TV appearances, America’s Got Talent semi-final run, performances on The Jennifer Hudson Show, World of Dance, and pro sports events), and pulls back the curtain on the business realities of kid stardom: music licensing on TV, TV logistics, schooling on set, NDAs, and the pace of post-show projects. Parents describe their methodic, high-touch approach—early rhythm exposure, mixed-style training, private lessons, and a careful balance of competitions versus performance/video work. Eseniia speaks about performing fearlessly, meeting judges, and dreaming bigger (Britain’s Got Talent; creating kids-only projects).This episode is perfect for parents of young performers, dance teachers, and anyone interested in how family, training, and the modern attention economy combine to shape child performers.Shownotes:(00:00) – Host intro; meet Eseniia and family.(02:10) – How the host discovered Eseniia at Playground LA.(04:25) – Parents’ backstory: university dance training, teaching methods.(08:00) – Early signs: Eseniia’s musicality before age one.(11:40) – Family training: mixed styles, fearless play, switching.(16:10) – First viral moment: Chris Brown reshared their video.(20:00) – America’s Got Talent experience; being six on TV.(31:30) – Behind the scenes: licensing, TV production realities.(40:20) – Current life: bilingual schooling, daily 5-hour practice.(52:45) – Advice for parents: invest, set goals, nurture talent.Biography:Eseniia Mikheeva is a rising star in the world of dance, captivating audiences from an early age with her charisma, sharp technique, and undeniable stage presence. Thanks to the support of her parents, Alexander and Marina Mikheev, she has become a symbol of youth hip-hop and an inspiration to families worldwide. Eseniia was raised in a creative environment. Both of her parents are professional dancers and educators. Her father, Alexander, specializes in hip-hop and street dance, while her mother, Marina, is not only a teacher but also an active mentor who helps Eseniia refine her skills, performance style, and artistic expression.Eseniia has already performed on major stages including America’s Got Talent, The Jennifer Hudson Show, and at high-profile sports events like NBA, WNBA, NFL Games, and games for the Atlanta Hawks. She’s danced in some of the nation’s biggest arenas, with her videos going viral and receiving praise from global celebrities. Beyond dance, the Mikheev family places a strong emphasis on education. They believe that intellectual development is a key part of long-term success. Eseniia studies through a flexible international program that allows her to balance academics with her thriving creative career. The Mikheevs are a powerful example of how love, discipline, and family support can nurture extraordinary talent.Connect on Social Media: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/esenya_miss

Interview Date: March 30th, 2025Episode Summary:Florida-based trademark and contract attorney Kayla Moran joins the Business of Dance to bridge two worlds: the discipline of competitive dance and the realities of creator-economy law. Raised in Miami in a Cuban-Ecuadorian family and trained for 15+ years across ballet, tap, jazz, lyrical and hip-hop, Kayla shares how a teacher’s challenge—“Don’t be a space filler”—became a life mantra through law school and into entrepreneurship.Kayla unpacks the gap art schools and law schools share: they rarely teach the business side. She now runs a firm for creators, dancers and influencers, translating intimidating agreements into clear decisions and helping artists protect their brands with smart contracts and trademarks. We dig into networking that actually works (contacts → contracts), negotiating terms without getting steamrolled, building authentic personal brands, and running yourself like a business (LLCs, taxes, separate accounts).In the live Q&A, Kayla advises teens balancing medicine vs. dance, acting dreams vs. financial stability, and when to hire managers, agents or lawyers. She’s blunt (in the best way) about deadlines that “aren’t real,” why every contract is negotiable, and how to document your journey without oversharing.Listen if you’re: a dancer, parent, studio owner, or creator who wants to turn passion into sustainable income—without giving away your rights.Shownotes:(0:00) – Intro: Meet Kayla Moran, dancer-turned-attorney.(4:35) – Dance beginnings, magnet school, discipline from pointe.(11:22) – Injuries, teacher’s advice: “Don’t be a space filler.”(18:40) – Law school, burnout, turning to blogging.(32:41) – Contacts = contracts: power of relationships.(38:51) – Negotiation lessons & humanizing business deals.(39:19) – Creator law: brand deals, contracts, red flags.(46:13) – Treating yourself as a business (LLCs, taxes).(55:26)– When to hire an agent, manager, or lawyer.(1:19:39 ) – Every contract is negotiable—never sign first draftBiography:Kayla Moran is a Florida-based trademark and contract attorney for creators and entrepreneurs in the creator economy. Born and raised in Miami to a Cuban-Ecuadorian family, Spanish is her first language, and growing up she was a competitive dancer for 15+ years, now you can probably catch her reading a romance novel or salsa dancing on the weekends if she’s not at the beach. She loves to watch action thrillers, military movies or historical fiction shows on Netflix or sports (usually no in between). Kayla hosts her own podcast, The Let’s Get Candid Podcast where she strives to connect with and inspire young women to be the best version of themselves and find what drives them, and has been a featured guest on numerous other podcasts. She attended the University of Central Florida where she was a Kappa Delta, participated in Knight-Thon for four years, and interned for Senator Rubio before she set off for law school. In 2022, she earned her Juris Doctorate from the University of Tennessee College of Law, where she was a member of the now Transactional Clinic after passing the Florida Bar, she returned to Miami where she was a personal injury attorney for a year before opening her own firm.When she set out to become a lawyer, her goal was to be in-house counsel for a lifestyle company but during law school she discovered could combine her interests and create a career on her terms. She blogged about her law school experience and it was through blogging that she discovered being an influencer combining her passion for social media and legal training. Now she gets to help influencers promote brands they believe in as a lawyer and entrepreneurs legally protect the brands they have built.She is always open to connecting, please find her on Instagram and on LinkedIn.Connect on Social Media:Instagram - Instagram.com/kaylaaamorannWebsite- Kaylamoranlaw.com

Interview Date: March 23rd, 2025Episode Summary:This episode spotlights Robert Garland, Artistic Director of Dance Theatre of Harlem (DTH)—former principal dancer, DTH’s first resident choreographer, and a Juilliard BFA graduate. Beyond the concert stage, Garland’s work spans New York City Ballet, The Royal Ballet, Oakland Ballet, and commercial projects from Sesame Street to Nike and the NAACP Image Awards.Garland traces DTH’s roots to Arthur Mitchell’s 1969 vision and explains how Mitchell’s lecture-demonstration model built audiences and access. He folds in a vivid business/history lesson on George Balanchine—from the Ballets Russes and Coco Chanel’s short ballet skirt to the Harlem Renaissance’s jazz influence that helped shape neoclassicism and, crucially, how smart repertoire and audience-building choices drove growth. On the business side, Garland stresses that relationships power opportunities and fundraising—“contacts become contracts”—and lifts the curtain on the theater’s “cottage industry” (development, marketing, production, stage management). For dancers, he offers pragmatic guidance: cultivate musicianship and form, be multifaceted (social, lighting, admin), and understand cycles of work—pace your week so you peak for shows. He unpacks today’s video-first auditions, urging care with presentation, while affirming many legitimate pathways (college, company route, or self-directed study).Show notes:(0:00) – Robert Garland introduction & career highlights(09:41) – Dance Theatre of Harlem origin & mission(14:55) – Juilliard audition story and scholarship journey(16:56) – Balanchine, Coco Chanel, and neoclassicism explained(25:51) – “Contacts = Contracts”: relationships fuel opportunities(33:16) – Careers beyond stage: marketing, production, education(38:27) – Arts education builds empathy and compassion(42:34) – Audition process and rise of video submissions(51:41) – Transition into commercial/TV work with hip-hop artists(1:12:11) – From dancer to choreographer to creative leadershipBiography:Artistic Director Robert Garland was a member of the Dance Theatre of Harlem Company from 1985-1998, achieving the rank of principal dancer. After creating a work for the DTH School Ensemble, Arthur Mitchell invited Mr. Garland to create a work for The Dance Theatre of Harlem Company and appointed him the organization’s first Resident Choreographer. Before becoming DTH Artistic Director, he was Director of the Dance Theatre of Harlem school. In 2023, Mr. Garland was appointed the Artistic Director of Dance Theatre of Harlem. His works for the company include Higher Ground, New Bach, Return, Nyman String Quartet No. 2, and The Cookout among others, many are in his signature postmodern-urban-neo-classical style.  In addition to choreographing several ballets for DTH, Mr. Garland has also created works for New York City Ballet, Britain's Royal Ballet, Oakland Ballet and many others.  His commercial work has included music videos, commercials and short films, including the children’s television show “Sesame Street”, a Nike commercial featuring New York Yankee Derek Jeter, the NAACP Image Awards, a short film for designer Donna Karan, and the “Charmin Cha-Cha” for Proctor and Gamble. Mr. Garland holds a Bachelor of Fine Arts Degree from the Juilliard School in New York City.Connect on Social Media:Instagram -https://www.instagram.com/robertgarlandWebsite - dancetheatreofharlem.org

Interview date: March 9th, 2025Episode Summary:Melissa McGhee, Head Coach of The Ohio State University Dance Team and owner of Lineage Dance Company. With 13 national championships and nearly two decades of experience, Melissa is a leading figure in the collegiate dance world.Melissa shares her journey from a young studio dancer in Toledo, Ohio, to becoming OSU’s head coach right after graduation, and later, a studio owner. She offers an inside look at the college dance team recruiting process, including timelines, audition requirements, and how OSU fills its highly competitive six open spots each year.Listeners will gain valuable insight into what coaches look for—technical skill, strong ballet foundation, versatility, professionalism, and a team-first mentality. Melissa discusses the importance of combining studio training with dance team experience, how to stand out in recruitment videos, and why NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) deals are helping dancers earn significant income while in college.She also emphasizes the role of character, mindset, and energy in selection decisions and offers advice for dancers navigating both performance and academics. This episode delivers essential guidance for dancers, parents, and coaches aiming for success in the collegiate dance world.Show Notes:(0:00) - Welcome to The Business of Dance Podcast & introduction to Melissa McGhee(2:10) - Melissa’s early dance beginnings in Toledo, Ohio(4:15) - Dancing through high school and joining The Ohio State University Dance Team(6:30) - Transition from dancer to head coach immediately after graduation(9:10) - Building OSU’s nationally recognized program and winning 13 championships(12:00) - Opening Lineage Dance Company in Upper Arlington, Ohio(14:20) - Balancing full-time coaching with running a dance studio(16:30) - How the college dance team recruiting model works(20:00) - Audition timelines, video submissions, and competition for six annual spots(22:45) - What OSU looks for in dancers: training, ballet foundation, versatility, professionalism(26:15) -Importance of combining studio and dance team experience(28:40) -NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) opportunities and how dancers are earning up to $20K annually(32:00) - Core values Melissa instills: hard work, maturity, consistency, kindness(35:30) - Tips for standing out in recruitment videos and following instructions(38:20) -Scholarship opportunities for dance team members(41:10)- Managing training schedules, academics, and performances(44:00) - Guest choreographers and style diversity in team training(47:30) - Career paths for dancers after graduation(50:00) - Current challenges in the dance team industry and collaboration solutions(54:15) - Final advice: character matters, the dance world is small, be a good human(57:00) - How to connect with Melissa McGheeBiography:A native of Toledo, Ohio, Melissa McGhee is a graduate of The Ohio State University where she obtained a B.S. in Business Administration. She is the current Head Coach of The Ohio State University Dance Team. Under her direction, the team won the program's first ever National Championship in 2018 and has thirteen total to date.After sixteen years of studio training, she now consults for dance studios and teams nationally and judges for numerous dance competitions including NDA, UDA, AmeriDance, Showcase America, Stage 8, OASSA, and USASF Dance Worlds. Melissa has been a speaker at the Varsity Dance Coaches Conference, National Dance Coaches Association Conference, CLI Studios and Intricate Training for Dancers. She was named National Dance Coaches Association (NDCA) College Coach of the Year in 2020 and served as the NDCA College President from 2020-2022. In 2022, Melissa opened doors to a dance studio in Upper Arlington, OH, Lineage Dance Co.Connect on Social Media:https://www.instagram.com/mmcghee65https://www.facebook.com/melissa.mcghee.39

Interview Date: February 16th, 2025Episode Summary: This episode features Khalid Freeman—body percussionist, choreographer, and field team director—known for merging musicianship and movement. A veteran of STOMP (nine years), Cirque du Soleil, and five Super Bowl Halftime Shows, Khalid translates drummer-level musicality onto the body, treating the performer as the instrument itself.Khalid retraces his path from tap (inspired by Gregory Hines) to stepping and finally to body percussion, unpacking how “you are the drum set.” He explains the difference between stepping’s militant power and body music’s nuance, and shares how STOMP honed his dynamics, phrasing, and counting. Highlights include being an original cast for Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour and later contributing choreography to MJ ONE (“Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’”). On the Super Bowl side, he demystifies the field team role—executing KP’s vision, staging giant formations safely, and problem-solving live.Khalid encourages dancers to develop a musician mindset (ghost notes, sustains, phrasing), break the fourth wall to connect with audiences, and cultivate versatility by training across styles and teachers. He contrasts film (repeatable, permanent capture) with live events (one shot, controlled adrenaline) and reminds performers to be coachable, patient, and fully present. Above all, find your authentic “grocery-cart/shower/kitchen dance” so industry work doesn’t erase your voice.Show Notes:(07:43) – Formal intro and career overview (08:48) – Body percussion explained; stepping vs. body music(12:35) – Nine years in STOMP; musicality and dynamics(17:01) – Triple-threat: breaking the fourth wall(24:09) – MJ Immortal cast experience & callbacks(25:09) – Adding body percussion to MJ ONE(41:27) – Five Super Bowls overview(42:20) – What a field team director actually does(51:19) – Super Bowl auditions: artist team vs. field cast(58:29) – Film vs. Super Bowl: nerves, capture, and focusBiography:Khalid brings versatility to the Body Music world with his unique percussive dance style. Putting his stank and flava in various shows and groups such as (Stomp, Stomp the Yard, Stomp Out Loud, Molodi, LXD, Cirque Du Soleil’s Michael Jackson Immortal tour and ONE and Beatles LOVE, Usher, Spiegelworld, 5 Super Bowl Haltime shows, European Games closing ceremony and more). Khalid took his instrument/art form on 17 world tours, 46 countries and all 50 states over 26 years so it’s clearly his passion and career mission to expand the love of body percussion.Connect on Social Media:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/khalidfreeman/Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/khalidfreeman?app=desktopWebsite -  https://profile.jamargig.com/khalidfreeman/

Interview Date: February 2nd, 2025Episode Summary:Jason Pickett, a dance educator, choreographer, and the creator of the No Starving Artists brand. Jason shares his unique journey, from starting his dance career at 14 by self-teaching and getting inspired by YouTube and movies, to now traveling the world teaching at conventions and judging competitions.He emphasizes the importance of building genuine relationships, networking, and having a clear personal brand. He shares lessons learned from his own experience, such as the significance of embracing a bold, confident approach and trusting the process.Jason also discusses how his background in marketing has shaped his approach to content creation, stressing the need for consistency and authenticity. Towards the end of the episode, Jason offers valuable advice to dancers, including the importance of embracing freestyle, making connections with others, and constantly pushing forward. Show Notes:(0:00) Introduction to Jason’s dance journey (3:00) Starting dance at 14 and self-teaching (6:30) Early inspirations: YouTube, music videos, and Stomp the Yard (10:00) Teaching at 16 and growing a hip-hop program (13:00) Building connections and transitioning to professional gigs(17:00) Content creation’s role in Jason’s career (21:30) Securing teaching gigs at conventions (25:00) How networking and mentorship opened doors (30:00) Full-time teaching and judging at conventions worldwide (34:00) Using videography to expand his reach(38:00) Building a personal brand for success (42:00) Consistency in social media content creation (46:00) The importance of having an opinion and clear audience (50:30) Balancing work, family, and content creation (55:00) Authenticity in building trust with followers(58:30) Lessons learned from setbacks (1:03:00) Using AI in dance business and content creation (1:07:30) Advice for dancers navigating the industry (1:10:00) Jason’s vision for No Starving Artists’ future (1:12:00) Final thoughts on relationships, challenges, and staying authenticBiography:Professional dance educator, choreographer, adjudicator and international artist, Jason Pickett strives to help dancers grow to the next level of their artistic journey.With over a decade of performance, choreography and teaching experience, the Utah native has performed live on shows like Americas Got Talent, collaborated with global brands Hermès, Icon Fitness, Toys-R-Us, Crocs, Bud Light and more, and been featured in viral YouTube videos Stormtrooper Twerk and High School Dance Battle – Geeks vs. Cool Kids! (4k), just to name a few.In addition, Pickett has toured internationally throughout Germany and Israel with Odyssey Dance Theatre as company artist. Jason Pickett is the creator and host of No Starving Artists - a dance media company that provides mentoring, coaching & peak performance strategy to dancers, parents & teachers & is currently a full time faculty member with Reinforce Dance Experience.Connect on Social Media:https://www.instagram.com/heyitspicketthttps://www.facebook.com/jasonpickettdance