Industrial Cybersecurity Insider

In this episode, Dino and Craig tackle one of manufacturing's most pressing challenges: the OEM blockade. They explore why brand-new equipment often ships with hundreds of unpatched vulnerabilities, how the gap between IT and OT teams creates operational blind spots, and why manufacturers can't rely on traditional IT solutions to secure their plant floors.From the CrowdStrike incident that took down HMIs to the "ghost in the machine" causing unexplained downtime, they reveal why OT teams must take ownership of their cybersecurity posture and build partnerships with the right ecosystem of OT-focused service providers.If you've ever wondered why your million-dollar machine center is running Windows 7 or why your cybersecurity reports don't match reality, this episode provides the answers—and a path forward.Chapters:(00:00:00) - The OEM Blockade Problem(00:01:00) - Understanding OEM Software Lock and Remote Access(00:03:00) - The Reality of Unpatched Vulnerabilities in New Equipment(00:06:00) - The IT/OT Blockade and Convergence Challenges(00:09:00) - Why IT Disciplines Don't Translate to OT Environments(00:11:00) - The CrowdStrike Incident: What Really Happened on Plant Floors(00:13:00) - The Lack of Due Diligence in Manufacturing M&A(00:16:00) - Chasing the Ghost in the Machine(00:19:00) - Process Integrity vs. Cybersecurity Tools(00:22:00) - Why OT Teams Must Take Ownership and Build the Right PartnershipsLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, a...

Craig and Dino tackle one of the most pressing challenges in industrial cybersecurity: the disconnect between IT security teams and operational technology environments.They explore why traditional CISOs struggle to protect manufacturing plants despite their best intentions, revealing that most security executives get 30 minutes or less per quarter to present cyber risks to their boards—leaving little time to address the complexities of OT environments they barely understand.The conversation digs into the fundamental differences between enterprise IT and plant floor operations, where safety and uptime trump traditional security approaches, and where telling an engineer to remove a Windows 7 machine from the network might mean shutting down millions of dollars in production.Craig and Dino make a compelling case for why external expertise, cross-functional collaboration, and a fundamental shift in how organizations approach industrial cybersecurity are not just recommended—they're essential for survival in an evolving threat landscape where adversaries only need to get lucky once.Chapters:(00:00:00) - The IT Security Mindset vs. OT Reality(00:01:00) - Has the CISO Really Engaged with Industrial Cybersecurity?(00:03:00) - The Disconnect: IT Owns the Network, OT Owns the Assets(00:05:00) - What CISOs Don't Know About the Plant Floor(00:07:00) - Safety and Uptime: The Top Two Priorities CISOs Must Understand(00:10:00) - The Asset Visibility Problem: Do You Really Know What's Out There?(00:13:00) - 30 Minutes or Less Per Quarter: The CISO's Impossible Task(00:16:00) - Why External Expertise Isn't Optional Anymore(00:19:00) - The Cyber Insurance Myth: Why Your Policy Won't Save You(00:22:00) - Secure by Demand: Holding Vendors Accountable(00:25:00) - Getting to the "Know": Where to Start and What to AskLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on...

In this rewind episode, Craig and Dino tackle a critical disconnect in industrial cybersecurity: the gap between IT teams deploying OT security tools and the plant floor teams who desperately need the data these tools collect.They reveal why 85% of data from industrial cybersecurity platforms is meant for OT personnel, yet rarely reaches them.The conversation exposes how organizations invest heavily in tools like IDS platforms but fail to share vulnerability data, asset inventories, and network intelligence with the system integrators, OEMs, and plant teams actually working on their control systems.Craig and Dino discuss the consequences of this siloed approach—from incomplete asset visibility to duplicated tooling—and offer practical guidance on achieving true IT-OT convergence.They emphasize that organizations must work with partners who can "build the car, not just buy it," and stress the importance of tabletop exercises, proper vendor vetting, and collaborative frameworks that include the entire industrial ecosystem in cybersecurity planning and execution.Chapters:(00:00:00) - The Growing Problem: OT Teams Lack Access to Critical Security Data(00:01:47) - IT-OT Convergence in Practice: Are We Really Doing It?(00:04:42) - Why IT Teams Keep Security Data Siloed from Plant Floor Partners(00:06:38) - The Consequence: System Integrators Bring Their Own Tools(00:08:38) - The Disconnect Between IT Security Tools and OT Reality(00:11:48) - How to Bridge the Gap: Questions System Integrators Should Ask(00:15:42) - Vetting Your Security Partners: Can They Build the Car or Just Buy It?(00:17:46) - The Three-Legged Stool: Why IT-Only Security Fails in Manufacturing(00:20:48) - Action Steps: Creating a Comprehensive List of Your Industrial Ecosystem(00:22:48) - Final Thoughts: Moving Beyond Security Theater to True CollaborationLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on a...

Dino sits down with cybersecurity expert Wil Klusovsky to discuss the massive gap between IT security practices and OT reality. With 26 years of experience, Wil shares his unconventional journey into operational technology and reveals why most security tools end up as shelfware on plant floors.They dive deep into the communication breakdown between CISOs and plant operations, the critical role of system integrators and OEMs that IT leaders often ignore, and why the "air gap" myth continues to put manufacturing facilities at risk.Wil breaks down his framework for speaking to boards in language they understand, emphasizing business impact over technical jargon. The conversation covers everything from the challenges of MFA implementation in OT environments to why patching isn't always the answer. They discuss how organizations can build effective OT security programs by making cybersecurity everyone's responsibility - not just IT's problem.Chapters:(00:00:00) - Opening: The $50K Security Investment That Nobody Uses(00:01:00) - Will's Unconventional Journey Into OT Cybersecurity(00:03:45) - The Communication Gap Between IT and OT Teams(00:07:15) - Why Asset Visibility Tools Miss 135% of Your Equipment(00:10:30) - Speaking Board Language: Revenue Loss vs. Technical Jargon(00:13:25) - The Missing Third Leg: System Integrators and OEMs(00:17:30) - Making Cybersecurity Everyone's Job, Not Just IT's Problem(00:21:15) - Why Patching Isn't Always the Answer in OT Environments(00:25:45) - The Reality Check: Physical Security in Manufacturing Plants(00:28:30) - Building a Cybersecurity Program as a Journey, Not a DestinationLinks And Resources:Wil Online LinktreeWil Klusovsky on LinkedInWant to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on

Katie O'Brien shares her unconventional journey from music teacher to industrial cybersecurity expert, bringing over 25 years of IT experience into the OT world. In this conversation with Dino, Katie discusses the critical gaps in OT cybersecurity—from the lack of university programs teaching industrial security to the disconnect between IT and OT teams. They explore why system integrators and OEMs fail to design cybersecurity into new manufacturing projects from the start, compare it to building cars without safety features, and discuss the emergence of managed services in the OT space. Katie explains how Garland Technology helps organizations get visibility into aging infrastructure with unmanaged switches, and both hosts emphasize the urgent need for the OT ecosystem to drive cybersecurity conversations proactively rather than waiting for IT teams who may never have walked the plant floor.Chapters:(00:00:00) - The Hard Truths About OT Security Nobody Wants to Hear(00:01:06) - Katie's Unconventional Journey: From Music Teacher to OT Cybersecurity Expert(00:04:00) - The Current State of OT Cybersecurity and Future Directions(00:06:00) - The Education Gap: Why Universities Aren't Teaching Industrial Cybersecurity(00:08:00) - The Disconnect Between IT/Security Teams and OT Operations(00:10:00) - Designing Cybersecurity Into New Manufacturing Projects From the Start(00:13:00) - IT Teams Who've Never Walked the Plant Floor(00:16:00) - The Emergence of Managed Services in the OT Space(00:18:00) - Garland Technology: Getting Visibility Into Aging Infrastructure(00:19:00) - Software Defined Automation and the Future of Industrial Control(00:22:00) - Why the OT Ecosystem Must Drive the Cybersecurity Conversation(00:24:00) - The Real Cost of Downtime and Cyber Incidents in ManufacturingLinks And Resources:Katie O'Brien on LinkedInWant to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

Dino sits down with industrial automation and industrial cybersecurity expert Kevin Kumpf, fresh off the floor of Rockwell Automation Fair 2025. They discuss why OT managed services are finally becoming viable for manufacturing, the critical 80/20 split between people and technology challenges, and how the industry's "silver tsunami" of retiring talent is forcing a reckoning. Kevin shares insights on building unified platforms that can manage everything from 30-year-old paper tape systems to AI-powered smart factories, why IT's "patch now" mentality fails in OT environments, and how the DG 360 platform is delivering true cyber-physical convergence today - not tomorrow. They discuss the reality that most OT cybersecurity tools only discover 30% of plant assets, the importance of human-in-the-loop decision making, and why the OT ecosystem - not IT - must drive the managed services revolution. This is a must-listen for anyone struggling with the complexity of protecting and managing modern manufacturing facilities.Chapters:(00:00:00) - Introduction and Rockwell Automation Fair Recap(00:01:43) - The OT Managed Services Evolution and Rebranding(00:04:15) - The Three-Legged Stool: IT, OT, and OEMs(00:07:32) - Point Solutions vs. Unified Platforms in Manufacturing(00:10:45) - The DG 360 Vision: 360-Degree Plant Visibility(00:14:28) - The Silver Tsunami and Training Challenges(00:18:22) - Alert Fatigue and Actionable Intelligence(00:22:45) - Software Defined Automation and Legacy Systems(00:26:18) - Why OT Must Drive the Cybersecurity Conversation(00:30:35) - Real-Time Demo and Implementation ReadinessLinks And Resources:Kevin Kumpf on LinkedInWant to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

Former U.S. Secret Service Special Agent Richard LaTulip joins Craig Duckworth to reveal the hidden world of cyber criminal networks and infrastructure attacks. Drawing from his undercover work infiltrating dark web forums and catching some of the world's most sophisticated threat actors, Richard breaks down why traditional security approaches fail, how ransomware attacks actually cost organizations millions if not billions beyond the ransom payment itself, and why the timeline between compromise and detection has shrunk from months to minutes. He shares jaw-dropping statistics on vulnerability management failures, explains how adversaries are using AI to become exponentially more dangerous, and provides actionable insights for building resilient security programs that protect what matters most to your business. Whether you're defending critical infrastructure or managing security for a manufacturing organization, this conversation offers a rare insider perspective on the evolving threat landscape and what it takes to stay ahead of increasingly sophisticated cyber criminals.Chapters:(00:00:00) - Meet the Ex-Secret Service Agent Who Infiltrated Underground Cyber Criminal Networks(00:03:00) - Inside Operation Carder Kaos: Going Undercover in the Dark Web(00:06:00) - The Real Price Tag: Why Ransomware Costs Go Far Beyond the Ransom(00:11:00) - When Production Lines Go Dark: The Hidden Costs of Manufacturing Downtime(00:14:00) - Reality Check: How Prepared Is Your Organization for a Cyber Attack?(00:17:00) - The AI Arms Race: How Adversaries Are Weaponizing Artificial Intelligence(00:21:00) - 2027 Threat Landscape: What Keeps a Field CISO Up at Night(00:24:00) - Follow the Bitcoin: How Cyber Criminals Launder Billions Through Cryptocurrency(00:31:00) - Why Speed Matters: The Critical Window for Law Enforcement Notification(00:33:00) - The Security Leader's Playbook: Threat Intelligence + Business ContextLinks And Resources:Richard LaTulip on LinkedInRichard's Book: Operation Carder KaosRecorded FutureWant to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on

In this eye-opening conversation, Dino and Craig address a critical issue facing manufacturing organizations today: the dangerous gap between perceived and actual cybersecurity preparedness in operational technology (OT) environments.They discuss why many organizations "don't know what they don't know" when it comes to securing industrial control systems, the myth of isolated manufacturing equipment, and why 25% of companies still lack comprehensive OT asset monitoring. Drawing powerful parallels to safety protocols, they explain why cybersecurity must become as ingrained in plant culture as wearing a hard hat on the factory floor.Their bottom line: Back up your beliefs with data, treat every system as if it's connected, and verify, don't just trust, your security posture. In OT cybersecurity, perception isn't reality, and that gap could cost not only millions but also brand perception and even human life.This episode is a must-listen for anyone serious about protecting their industrial environments.Chapters:00:00:00 - Kicking Off: Are You Truly Secure or Just Comfortable?00:01:15 - OT Security Reality Check: Do You Really Know Your Risks?00:01:45 - The Hidden Challenges Holding OT Security Back00:03:15 - Lack of Skilled Resources: The Biggest Barrier to Security00:05:30 - Security Frameworks: Are They Reaching the Plant Floor?00:06:15 - The Dangerous Myth of “Isolated” OT Systems00:07:58 - From Theory to Action: Winning Strategies for OT Security00:12:13 - Leadership’s Role in Cybersecurity: Who’s Driving the Change?00:19:55 - No More Blind Spots: Key Takeaways for a Secure FutureLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

In this milestone 100th episode, Craig and Dino tackle the critical intersection of workforce retirement and industrial cybersecurity knowledge in manufacturing.They explore how 82% of manufacturing workforce exits are due to retirement, creating a dangerous knowledge vacuum as decades of plant expertise walk out the door. The conversation reveals why traditional IT security tools consistently miss 50-70% of OT assets, the problematic practice of buying equipment that's obsolete before installation, and why plant operators bypass corporate security policies when downtime costs a million dollars per day. Craig and Dino state that the solution isn't just better tools, it's bridging the gap between centralized IT teams and the decentralized OT ecosystem by partnering with the system integrators and OEMs who actually keep plants running. They discuss how manufacturers must choose between multi-million dollar capital investments in modern equipment or implementing proper network segmentation and security around legacy systems.They address the reasons why the next generation of talent won't be attracted to facilities running decades-old technology.Chapters:(00:00:00) - Introduction and Industry Growth Update(00:02:15) - The Silver Tsunami: 82% of Manufacturing Exits Are Retirements(00:05:42) - Why IT Security Tools Miss 50-70% of OT Assets(00:09:18) - The Knowledge Vacuum: What Happens When Experience Walks Out(00:13:05) - Why Plant Operators Bypass Corporate Security Policies(00:16:30) - The Problem with Buying Obsolete Equipment(00:19:45) - Centralized IT vs Decentralized OT: Bridging the Gap(00:23:20) - Building Partnerships with System Integrators and OEMs(00:26:50) - Capital Investment vs Network Segmentation Strategy(00:29:35) - Attracting Next-Gen Talent to Manufacturing EnvironmentsLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

In this episode of the Industrial Cybersecurity Insider, Craig Duckworth sits down with Matthew Carr, co-founder of Atumcell and OT penetration testing expert with fifteen years of experience securing operational technology systems. Matthew shares his journey from vulnerability research to specializing in cyber-physical security, recounting the pivotal moment when his exploit code stopped a production line at a major car manufacturer. The conversation addresses the critical gaps in OT security, including why most organizations are unaware of what's actually on their networks, the dangers of default passwords on IoT devices, and how attackers often use espionage rather than ransomware to remain undetected. Matthew reveals how his team safely conducts pentests in production environments, develops proprietary detection rule sets, and helps organizations understand their infrastructure through network mapping. The discussion encompasses a range of topics, from the risks associated with smart TVs in conference rooms to the motivations behind nation-states targeting critical infrastructure, culminating in practical advice on developing a cybersecurity roadmap for cyber-physical systems.Chapters:(00:00:00) - Welcome and Introduction to Matthew Carr's OT Security Journey(00:02:30) - The Moment Exploit Code Stopped a Production Line at a Major Car Manufacturer(00:06:15) - Why Most Organizations Don't Know What's Actually on Their OT Networks(00:09:45) - The Three Pillars of Adamzsel: Pentesting, Monitoring, and Tabletop Exercises(00:14:20) - How Attackers Know Your Infrastructure Better Than You Do(00:18:50) - Smart TVs in Conference Rooms: The Hidden Security Risk with Root Access(00:22:30) - Espionage vs Ransomware: The Cyber Attacks No One Is Talking About(00:26:45) - Why Default Passwords on IoT Devices Are an Attacker's Favorite Entry Point(00:30:20) - Building a Cybersecurity Roadmap for Cyber-Physical Systems(00:33:15) - Closing Thoughts and Free OT Security White Paper from AdamzselLinks And Resources:Atumcell WebsiteMatthew Carr on LinkedInWant to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

What happens when IT cybersecurity practices collide with OT operational realities? In this episode, Jim and Dino expose the costly mistakes organizations make when applying IT security playbooks to manufacturing environments.Discover why zero trust architectures can halt production, how shadow IT thrives on every plant floor, and why remote access policies designed for corporate networks fail in industrial settings. Learn the critical importance of OT-tailored asset inventories, the need for IT/OT collaboration, and why digital safety must be treated with the same urgency as physical safety.If you're struggling to bridge the gap between IT security mandates and OT operational needs—or if you've ever watched a well-intentioned security policy bring production to a halt—this episode is your roadmap to getting it right.Chapters:(00:00:00) - Introduction and Episode Overview(00:01:19) - IT vs OT Security Mindsets(00:02:03) - Zero Trust Challenges in OT Environments(00:05:12) - Remote Access and Change Management Conflicts(00:09:00) - Who Should Learn from Whom: IT or OT?(00:10:23) - Asset Inventory: What OT Engineers Don't Know(00:15:00) - Process Integrity and Operational Value(00:21:57) - Shadow IT: The Backdoors Nobody Talks About(00:26:00) - Designing Security Into New Equipment(00:28:00) - Digital Safety vs Physical SafetyLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInJim Cook on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

In this episode, Craig and Dino tackle IT/OT convergence, operational technology security, and manufacturing cybersecurity challenges head-on. They challenge the notion of OT being a "shadow IT group" and explore the fundamental differences between IT and OT operations in industrial environments. The discussion emphasizes that OT focuses on safety and physical outcomes, while IT prioritizes data security. They stress the importance of collaboration between IT and OT teams, highlighting how system integrators, OEMs, and plant operators must work together to improve cybersecurity posture. The conversation covers practical issues like Overall Equipment Effectiveness (OEE), incident response, and the need for proper funding and governance. Both advocate for CISOs and CIOs to actively engage with OT teams and system integrators, visit manufacturing facilities, and understand the unique challenges of industrial control systems to achieve true convergence and protect manufacturing plants and critical infrastructure.Chapters:00:00:00 - Opening Shot: Who’s Really in Charge—CIOs or the Plant Floor?00:00:57 - Collision Course: IT and OT Can’t Keep Dodging Each Other00:01:52 - Two Worlds, One Mission: Why OT Isn’t Just “IT in a Hard Hat”00:04:07 - When Convergence Fails: What’s Missing in the Middle00:05:54 - Breaking Silos: Why Cybersecurity Demands True Collaboration00:08:22 - Real Talk: What Cyber Protection Looks Like on the Plant Floor00:10:46 - OT’s Tipping Point: Will the Next Move Come from IT, or the Shop Floor?00:17:32 - Your Move: What Leaders Must Do Next (Before It’s Too Late)Links And Resources:Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

In this episode of the Industrial Cybersecurity Insider, host Dino sits down with Dan Cartmill, Sr. Global Product Marketing Director for TXOne Networks, to discuss the often misunderstood world of OT vulnerability management. Dan brings a unique perspective, having started as a practitioner 17 years ago, before transitioning to the vendor side. The conversation explores why simply creating a list of vulnerabilities isn't enough – and what organizations should actually be doing to reduce risk in their OT environments.Chapters:00:00:00 - Introduction and Dan's Background00:02:00 - Biggest Misconceptions About OT Vulnerability Management00:04:00 - Blind Spots in OT Vulnerability Scanning00:07:00 - Finding Vulnerabilities: OT vs IT Differences00:10:00 - Proactive Approaches to Unknown Vulnerabilities00:12:00 - How TX One Addresses Vulnerabilities Non-Disruptively00:15:00 - Virtual Patching and Operations-First Philosophy00:18:00 - IT/OT Convergence and Team Collaboration00:21:00 - Building Relationships with Third-Party Partners00:23:00 - Tabletop Exercises and Incident Response Planning00:26:00 - Key Takeaway: Never Forget Your Original Objectives00:28:00 - Dealing with Event Overload and Zero-Day VulnerabilitiesLinks And Resources:Dan Cartmill on LinkedInTXOne NetworksDino Busalachi on LinkedInWant to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

In this episode, Craig and Dino address why manufacturers still suffer incidents after spending millions on OT security tools. They discuss how to convert those investments into measurable risk reduction. You'll learn why buying tools isn't a strategy. Get insights into how to validate asset visibility on the floor (not just the network map), practical ways to reduce alert fatigue and assign ownership, how to close the OT incident response gap by connecting SOC to operators, the realities of flat Layer 2 networks and undocumented zones, how to handle technical debt at scale (EOL firmware, unpatched HMIs, safe upgrade paths), and why "everyone is responsible" often means no one is. Expect candid discussion on alert fatigue, flat networks, and the human constraints driving today's gaps, plus a concrete checklist for building a coalition that actually works to protect production environments.Chapters00:00:00 – Why incidents still happen after major OT cyber spend00:02:30 – Tools vs. outcomes: underusing capabilities and alert fatigue00:05:50 – Who owns plant‑floor cyber? Why CISOs, CIOs, OEMs, and SIs talk past each other00:08:10 – Define the use case before tuning sensors and policies00:10:00 – OT IR is missing: operators are the first responders00:11:20 – Network reality check: flat L2, VLAN gaps, and unmanaged switches00:13:30 – Change management and patching in OT: risk, downtime, and technical debt00:15:20 – Skills and staffing: the silver tsunami and "jack of all trades" constraints00:18:00 – What outside partners can and cannot do in plants00:21:00 – Visibility blind spots: validating coverage with floor‑level walkthroughs00:24:00 – It won’t stick without a coalition: getting plant managers, engineering, OEMs, and SOC alignedLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

In this episode, Scott Cargill, Partner of BW Design Group, joins Craig and Dino. Together they dissect the critical vulnerability gap in data center operational technology infrastructure. While most data centers implement robust IT security protocols, their building management systems controlling cooling, power distribution, and environmental controls remain significantly under-protected. Cargill provides technical analysis of how the rapid expansion of data center capacity for AI workloads has outpaced OT security implementation, creating exploitable attack vectors where minutes of system compromise could cascade into millions in equipment damage and service disruption. Through evidence-based examination and industry insights, this episode offers CISOs and OT security professionals a practical framework for addressing the IT-OT security convergence challenge in mission-critical facilities.They offer actionable strategies for vulnerability assessment, segmentation, and defense-in-depth implementation.Chapters:- 00:00:00 - Meet Scott Cargill of BW Design Group- 00:02:30 - Data centers expanding for AI- 00:04:40 - Critical BMS vulnerabilities being ignored- 00:07:40 - Alarming OT security reality- 00:09:40 - Why OT security remains deprioritized- 00:12:10 - IT-OT security convergence challenges persist- 00:16:35 - Manufacturing parallels to data centers- 00:20:10 - Security solutions evolution underway- 00:21:45 - Managed services necessity for OT- 00:24:42 - Thought leadership driving industry standardsLinks and Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityScott Cargill on LinkedInDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

Industrial environments are complex. Aging systems, distributed plants, and a crowded vendor landscape make “buy another tool” a tempting but often costly reflex. In this episode, Dino Busalachi talks with Danielle “DJ” Jablanski, about moving from paper programs to measurable progress in OT security. They address why competence and capacity must come before capabilities, how to right-size your technology stack through tool rationalization, and why interdependence mapping is foundational for real resilience.00:00:00 – Why OT maturity often stalls00:06:00 – Where to focus first: assets, segmentation, and access00:08:20 – Governance gaps: frameworks on paper vs. controls in practice00:10:10 – Interdependence mapping beyond "crown jewels"00:12:30 – Operators as first responders and safe-state realities00:16:15 – Vendor and OEM ecosystems: who owns the response plan?00:20:10 – Threat intel's limits: effects‑based security over means‑based noise00:22:00 – Incident readiness in plants: plans, practice, and ownership00:26:00 – Supply chain fragility and concentration risk in manufacturing00:29:30 – Tool rationalization: measuring ROI, coverage, and usabilityLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.DJ's Blog on Interdependence Mapping: https://claroty.com/blogDanielle Jablanski on LinkedInIndustrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

Hosts Craig and Dino discuss Mitsubishi's billion-dollar acquisition of Nozomi Networks and its implications for operational technology cybersecurity. They address how this major deal affects the industrial security market.The conversation covers IT/OT convergence challenges, managed services, vendor partnerships, and AI in cybersecurity decision-making. Craig and Dino share practical insights for security leaders and engineering professionals working in industrial environments.Topics covered: • Why Mitsubishi made this $1B investment • How this affects choosing security vendors • The growing role of managed services in OT security • What organizations should do to prepare for changesFor cybersecurity professionals, industrial engineers, and executives working with operational technology and cyber defense.Chapters:00:00:00 - Welcome to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider Podcast00:01:26 - A Trend of Cybersecurity Platform Acquisitions00:02:03 - The "Cyber-Informed Engineering" Play00:02:52 - Market Impact: Setting a Billion-Dollar Bar for Competitors00:05:06 - A Lack of Expertise and Resources00:05:48 - The Challenge of Building an In-House Team vs. Using Managed Services00:07:40 - Embedding Security Directly into Hardware Controllers00:09:33 - How Competitors Like Rockwell Might React00:10:00 - IPO or Acquisition?00:14:42 - The On-Prem vs. Cloud Debate in Manufacturing Environments00:16:50 - 87% of Organizations Are Lagging in Cybersecurity Maturity00:17:20 - The IT/OT Resource and Knowledge Gap00:18:54 - The Need for CIOs to Partner with OT Systems Integrators00:21:25 - The "OnStar" Model for Industrial Security00:22:15 - The Reality of Vendor Lock-In and Warranty Issues00:24:14 - OT Needs to Own Its Cybersecurity Strategy00:25:12 - The Risk of Underutilized Security ToolsLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

In this episode, Craig and Dino address one of the most pressing challenges in industrial cybersecurity: the gap between responsibility and authority for CISOs and their ability to protect manufacturing and critical infrastructure plant floors. While executives are tasked with ensuring resilience and reporting to the board, they often hit resistance at the plant floor where production uptime and safety KPIs take priority. The conversation explores IT/OT convergence, asset visibility blind spots, OEM restrictions, and the risks of relying on remote-only deployments. With insights from decades of hands-on experience in industrial environments, Craig and Dino outline practical steps for building bridges between IT and OT, aligning financial risk with security strategy, and equipping CISOs with the authority they need to succeed.Chapters:00:00:00 - Welcome to the Industrial Cybersecurity Insider Podcast00:01:11 - The CISO's Core Conflict of Responsibility Without Authority00:02:45 - Why Security Efforts Get "Kneecapped at the Front Door"00:04:04 - Understanding the OT Environment and Its Unique Technology00:05:36 - Building Bridges Between IT and OT as the Solution00:07:44 - Overcoming OT's "Skittish" Resistance to IT00:09:43 - The Scaling Problem of Too Few Engineers for Too Many Plants00:10:57 - Why a Remote-First Approach Fails in Manufacturing00:14:44 - The "Epiphany" of Uncovering Operational Benefits for OT Teams00:17:24 - Navigating OEM Warranties and Equipment Restrictions00:19:14 - The "Trust but Verify" Mandate for a CISO00:20:56 - The Danger of Hidden Networks and the "Air Gap" Myth00:23:16 - Speaking the Language of Business in Dollars and Cents00:24:43 - Aligning Security with the Plant's Capital Master Plan00:27:24 - How Company Ownership Affects Security Investment00:28:16 - How to Give the CISO Real AuthorityLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

In this essential rewind episode, Dino Busalachi and Craig Duckworth address a fundamental challenge facing practitioners in the field: effectively securing operational technology (OT) environments through local expertise and proper data collection.The Power of Local PartnershipDino emphasizes a crucial principle that often gets overlooked in cybersecurity implementations: "The only way you can act local is you've got to work with those folks that are in those plants every day, all day."This insight highlights why external cybersecurity consultants must forge strong partnerships with on-site operational teams who possess intimate knowledge of their industrial environments.These local experts understand the nuanced details that can make or break a security implementation. This includes everything from vendor schedules and machine operations to maintenance windows and downtime planning.They know when critical systems are most vulnerable and which processes absolutely cannot be interrupted.Chapters:00:00:00 - Why Local Collaboration is Critical for Cybersecurity Success00:01:07 - Meet Dino and Craig: Experts in IT/OT Integration00:01:49 - Unpacking the Challenges of IT/OT Convergence00:02:28 - Why IT and OT Teams Often Struggle to Align00:04:48 - Building Collaborative Frameworks for Stronger Cybersecurity00:07:33 - The Role of CIOs and CISOs in Driving Change00:08:44 - Navigating the Complexities of Diverse Plant Environments00:10:23 - Partnering with Vendors to Enhance Security Outcomes00:11:16 - Key Questions to Evaluate System Integrators Effectively00:16:35 - Using Tabletop Exercises to Align IT and OT Teams00:22:20 - Closing Thoughts: Bridging the Divide for Unified CybersecurityLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

In this episode, Craig and Dino break down the FBI’s latest cybersecurity advisory and what it means for industrial organizations. From Cisco hardware vulnerabilities on the plant floor to the widening gap between IT and OT security teams, they address the critical blind spots that attackers often exploit. They discuss why manufacturing has become ransomware’s “cash register,” the importance of continuous monitoring and asset visibility, and why every organization must have an incident response plan in place before a crisis. This episode is packed with real-world insights and actionable strategies. It's a must-listen for CISOs, CIOs, OT engineers, and plant leaders safeguarding manufacturing and critical infrastructure.Chapters:00:00:52 - Welcome to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider Podcast00:01:21 - A New FBI Advisory on Nation-State OT Threats00:02:37 - Cisco Hardware on the Plant Floor Targeted in Advisory00:03:18 - The IT/OT Disconnect: OT Assets are Often Invisible to InfoSec Teams00:04:19 - The Awareness Gap: Critical Security Alerts Fail to Reach OT Operations00:04:54 - The OT Cybersecurity Skills Gap and Cultural Divide00:07:32 - Why All Manufacturing is Critical, Citing the JBS Breach00:08:37 - The Staggering Economic Cost of OT Breaches00:09:33 - The "Cash Register" Concept: Why Attackers Target Manufacturing00:10:29 - OT as the New Frontier for Attacks on Unpatched Systems00:11:28 - The "Disinterested Third Party": When OEMs See Security as the Client's Problem00:12:31 - The Foundational First Step: Gaining Asset Visibility & Continuous Monitoring00:13:53 - The Impracticality of Patching in OT Due to Downtime and Safety Risks00:15:25 - Academic vs. Practitioner: Why High-Level Advice Fails on the Plant Floor00:18:25 - The Minimum Requirement: A Practiced, OT-Inclusive Incident Response Plan00:18:58 - Why CISOs Must Build Relationships with Key OT Partners00:22:46 - Practice, Partner, and Protect NowLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!