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Bob Moats, Mike Wiemuth, and special guest Josh Burton from Everything College Basketball reunite to break down the rekindled border wars between Indiana, Kentucky, and Louisville as the three programs meet over consecutive Saturdays in December.Growing Up in Basketball CountryThe guys open with personal stories about how geography and family shaped their allegiances in the heartland of college hoops. Josh Burton shares his journey from a Kentucky-loving kid playing College Slam on Sega Genesis while his IU-fan dad looked on, to becoming one of the voices of Everything College Basketball.Josh's dad from Kentucky roots, moved to Indiana, raised UK fansThe "ugly girlfriend" Brian Evans comparisons at the Boys and Girls ClubGeography matters: South of I-64 = Kentucky rival, North = Purdue rivalEconomic migration brought Kentucky fans north decades agoThe Golden Age of the RivalryA walk down memory lane to when these matchups defined college basketball in the Midwest, featuring 50-50 splits at the Hoosier Dome and Freedom Hall that felt more like college football atmosphere.The Dome and Freedom Hall rotating neutral sites with perfect 50-50 ticket splitsBob Knight's late entrances causing entire stadiums to erupt (only 2% could see him)Mike Davis's 2002 incident liquidating 35% of his chip stack in one momentFreedom Hall's designated smoking room and nightmare parking lotThe 2012 Sweet Sixteen in Atlanta: IU-UK reunion on the way to UK's titleThe Modern Coaches: New Chapter, Same SynchronicityAll three programs now feature modern, uptempo coaches running similar five-out systems after years of divergent philosophies. The synchronicity creates potential for recruiting battles and on-court drama not seen since the mid-eighties.Kenny Payne: Possibly the worst major hire in 30 years (lost exhibition games to start)Pat Kelsey's beautiful flare screen offense at Louisville proving doubters wrongMark Pope's year-one home run at Kentucky vs. year-two injury crisisLamar Wilkerson recruitment: DeVries beats Pope for the elite shooter UK desperately needsFirst time since mid-eighties all three programs are nationally relevant togetherBreaking Down IU vs. LouisvilleThe hosts dissect Saturday's Indianapolis matchup with tactical depth, focusing on Louisville's 36 three-point attempts per game and IU's rebounding challenges.Sananda Fru as the X-factor: relentless rebounder who gets all his points within three feetWhy this is a Sam Alexis day, not Reed Bailey dayMikel Brown vs. Conerway/Enright: Can IU frustrate the talented but sometimes immature freshman?Long rebounds from 36 three-point attempts require boxing out 3-4 feet beyond the rimFoul trouble could doom IU's seven-man rotation against Louisville's 10-deep benchKentucky's Crisis and the UK-IU PreviewJosh Burton provides honest analysis of Kentucky's early-season struggles, from the Louisville loss to getting boat-raced by Michigan State and North Carolina, while explaining why Pope isn't on the hot seat despite fan outrage.Three marquee losses in three different ways: quit when opponents throw haymakersThe connectivity problem: Do these players even like each other?How injuries have devastated Pope's shooting-based systemWhy 50% of Big Blue Nation needs to "shut the hell up" on TwitterStill 15th in KenPom at 5-3 with incredibly difficult scheduleThe weekend ahead: IU-Louisville at 2:15pm in Indianapolis, followed by IU-Ohio State Big Ten Championship at 8:17pm - potentially the craziest IU sports weekend ever.On the mics: Bob Moats, Mike Wiemuth, and Josh Burton (Everything College Basketball)This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth break down how player compensation is forcing coaches and programs to think like Billy Beane, analyzing roster construction through the lens of buying wins instead of just buying players.IU's Hot Start & The Omar Cooper ParallelThe guys open celebrating IU's 4-0 start under Darian DeVries while drawing parallels between miracle plays in football and basketball. Finding ways to win isn't just about spectacular moments—it's about putting yourself in position through smart aggregation of talent and data.• Omar Cooper's impossible catch as a "games of inches" lesson• IU rising in metrics by beating predictors• Conerway's passing, Wilkerson's elite shooting on display• Penn State fans still bewildered in grocery storesThe Moneyball Framework for College BasketballMike and Bob lay out how the classic "Moneyball" approach translates to today's NIL-driven college basketball landscape, where buying wins through buying points is the new reality.• The key quote: "Your goal shouldn't be to buy players. Your goal should be to buy wins."• One-seed teams need roughly 540+ point margin over opponents for the season• Box Plus Minus (BPM) as the "on-base percentage" of basketball• IU's last 500+ point variance seasons: 2013, 1993, 1992, 1990Finding Undervalued TalentThe hosts identify the statistical thresholds and player types that offer the best return on investment in the portal and recruiting landscape.• Players with 5.0+ BPM at mid-majors show "stickiness" when jumping to Power Five• Elite one-seed starters average 8.7 BPM (roughly Yogi Ferrell level or better)• 85% of one-seed starters have 6.0+ BPM• The "Lance Jones bump" - finding best player on mediocre team who can elevate• Target the Mountain West, A-10, and top mid-majors for 5+ BPM playersThe Money Problem: Who's Overpaying?Bob and Mike examine which programs are spending wisely versus which are trapped by their own wealth, using real scenarios to show how compensation complicates roster building.• Example: $3M five-star with 3.0 BPM vs. $1.7M A-10 POY with 6.8 BPM• The "hammer looking for nails" problem when you have too much money• Ohio State's Anthony Thompson situation: Overspend or necessary premium?• Why 50% of one-seed starters now come from the portal• BYU reportedly paying AJ Dybantsa $5-7M - only 3-5 schools can competeThe New Three-Dimensional RealityThe compensation era adds a third dimension to roster construction that constrains even wealthy programs and creates new strategic challenges.• Pre-NIL: Two-dimensional (program fit + player development)• Post-NIL: Three-dimensional (add budget constraints)• Top NIL programs creating their own pressure traps• Market correction concerns: "Is that guy still worth $7M after a 25% correction?"• Underground economy going public usually lowers prices—this did the oppositeComing up: A rivalry show with Everything College Basketball's Josh and Peyton Burton (UK and UL fans), plus an extended film room session with Tony Adragna and Brian Tonsoni breaking down DeVries' system.This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth assess which college basketball coaches are playing with house money and which are one bad loss away from the unemployment line in today's volatile college hoops landscape.IU's Dominant DebutThe Hoosiers opened the Darian DeVries era with a statement win, completely eliminating mid-range jumpers in favor of modern offense. Bob breaks down film showing the conceptual principles that make this system fundamentally different from the past decade.• Zero mid-range jumpers: the long two is officially dead at IU• Tucker DeVries diving into opponent's bench, Conway's elite passing• Rose 9 spots in KenPom after demolishing Alabama A&MThe Chip Stack FrameworkBob and Mike introduce their coaching evaluation model that replaces the outdated "four-year plan." In the portal era, coaches are playing Texas Hold'em, not building dynasties.• Why the 4-year grace period is dead - it's all-in poker now• The five tiers of success and where programs expect to be• The "Earl Bruce Syndrome" - stuck at 20 wins with no upsideCoaches in Serious DangerFour high-profile coaches face make-or-break seasons with dwindling chip stacks. From Carolina to Rutgers to Kansas State, these are the hot seats getting hotter by the day.• Hubert Davis at UNC: From Final Four to 15-20, lost key transfers• Steve Pikiell at Rutgers: The five-star experiment backfired badly• Jerome Tang at Kansas State: Can't recapture year-one magic• John Calipari at Arkansas: The perpetual talent churn continuesOn Thin Ice & High StakesThe guys examine coaches ranging from Butler's Thad Matta (stabilization hire gone stale) to Vanderbilt's Mark Byington (skipping levels on the way up). Plus, why football budgets are now eating basketball money at dual-sport schools.• Micah Shrewsbury's boring Notre Dame after Penn State's offensive genius• Porter Moser trapped in the Earl Bruce 20-win zone• Mark Byington's high-risk, high-reward Vanderbilt entertainment• Why midseason firings are the new normalComing up: A Moneyball conversation about roster construction in the NIL era and a potential IU-Kentucky-Louisville preview with Everything College Basketball.On the mics: Bob Moats and Mike WiemuthThis episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth are back to preview the 2025-26 college basketball season, diving deep into IU's transformed roster under first-year coach Darian DeVries and analyzing the landscape of college hoops in the NIL era. Even with football still riding high in Bloomington, it's time to turn attention to the hardwood.Segment 1: The Big Money ConversationThe hosts discuss the seismic shifts in recruiting and compensation:Cignetti's $3 million raise and IU football's impact on the athletic departmentOhio State reportedly paying Anthony Thompson $3+ million while their head coach makes $2.5 millionWhy IU's "whiff" on Thompson was actually smart strategyThe psychology of the hot seat driving desperate roster decisionsSegment 2: Indiana Basketball Deep Dive - The DeVries SystemBob and Mike break down what makes DeVries' approach fundamentally different:Offensive EvolutionPick-and-roll revolution with multiple skilled ball handlers creating unpredictabilityScreener deception making the screener a weapon againThe passing upgrade: Two players with 30%+ assist rates (first time in 15 years)Conceptual principles vs. rigid sets from the past decadeThe Defense QuestionWest Virginia's top-20 defense proves DeVries can scheme effectivelyTucker DeVries as a "free safety" goading turnoversWhy size concerns about IU's bigs might be overblownRoster ConstructionExperience over elite talent: The sweet spot model in actionTeam chemistry from players who've already played togetherTranslatable skills from mid-majors to high-majorsSegment 3: Big Ten and National LandscapePurdue: Highest floor in the country but ceiling questions remain with Braden Smith's penetration limitationsHouston: Kelvin Sampson's shocking three five-star haul after landing just two in 17 yearsMichigan: Portal royalty additions but can Elliot Cadeau finally live up to his potential?Kentucky & Louisville: Pope's spending spree vs. Pat Kelsey's three-point shooting arsenal that could set recordsIllinois: "The Belgrade of the Corn Belt" with multiple Balkan players including both Visic brothersIowa & Minnesota: The Battle of the Drake Boys - seven former Drake players split between IU and Iowa as the Big Ten moves away from traditional Painter/Izzo/Bo Ryan modelsSegment 4: The Clarity Problem - NIL Era QuestionsBig schools now poaching from each other (70% to 30% flip in three years)The $12-15 million championship roster questionSweet spot vs. superstar models after Florida's unconventional title runEconomic limits forcing strategic choices even at major programsBob and Mike promise more Moneyball conversations about roster construction, an upcoming chat with author William Murphy about IU basketball history, and continued analysis as DeVries' system meets Big Ten competition.On the mics: Bob Moats and Mike WiemuthThis episode brought to you by the Back Home Network. Check out all BHN content on YouTube and backhomenetwork.com.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

X's and Joe's Episode 40: Data vs Drama - A View of Modern RecruitingBob Moats and Mike Wiemuth welcome special guest Stephen Ragsdale, creator of IURecruiting.com, for a deep dive into how data-driven analysis can cut through the emotional chaos of following college basketball recruiting.Meet Stephen Ragsdale and IURecruiting.com[00:00-17:00]Stephen introduces himself as a third-generation IU fan who turned his Excel spreadsheet tracking into a comprehensive recruiting website. His journey from casual follower to creator of IURecruiting.com stemmed from wanting better tools to understand the recruiting process. The conversation touches on early season optimism around IU basketball, with Trent Sisley's viral shot from above Five Guys on Kirkwood symbolizing a new era of offensive philosophy under Darren DeVries.The Recruiting Bingo Card[17:00-30:00]Mike unveils his famous "Recruiting Miss Bingo Card" - a collection of predictable fan responses that appear on message boards after every recruiting loss. Classics include "We don't want him anyway," "This just proves we don't cheat," and "I only want kids who want to play for IU." The group discusses how these responses transcend fanbases, with Stephen noting Purdue fans' fixation on the cheating angle and Notre Dame supporters emphasizing academic standards. The card highlights how fans often rationalize losses by suggesting the coach nearly made a catastrophic mistake, but thankfully the recruit had the sense to go elsewhere.The Recruiting Funnel Framework[30:00-45:00]Mike introduces the corporate HR recruiting funnel model adapted for college basketball. Using Kansas's 2019 recruitment of Jalen Wilson as a case study, he demonstrates how successful programs move from many offers (10) to fewer official visits (3) to one commitment. The concept of "traction" becomes crucial - can you get elite kids interested enough to visit? Stephen shares how this framework was eye-opening for him, shifting his perspective from Mike Woodson's "fall in love with one target" approach to understanding roster building as a numbers game requiring multiple irons in the fire.IURecruiting.com Deep Dive[45:00-75:00]Stephen walks through his website's functionality, showing how it tracks offers, visits, and commitments across multiple recruiting classes and positions. The tool includes funnel comparisons with Kentucky, Kansas, and Arkansas - three programs with distinctly different recruiting philosophies. Key insights emerge about IU's 2026 recruiting:• Strong conversion rates at center position (3 visits from 6 offers)• Limited point guard targeting mirroring industry-wide trends toward portal guards• Critical Anthony Thompson recruitment coming down to IU vs Ohio State• The site reveals patterns that individual recruit tracking missesThe discussion highlights how Bill Self casts the widest net with offers while someone like Coach K was more selective, and how understanding these different approaches helps contextualize IU's strategy.The Modern Recruiting Landscape[75:00-End]The group examines how recruiting has fundamentally changed with the portal era. Key observations:• Elite programs like Florida, Louisville, and Michigan now build rosters with 1-2 elite high school players and multiple high-end portal transfers• Point guard positions especially skew toward experienced portal additions rather than 18-year-old freshmen• International recruiting (IU's two Yugoslav players) represents another talent stream• The "win first, then recruit" fallacy gets debunked - you need elite talent to win, not vice versaMike provides critical context about the Moneyball aspect of NIL: five-star freshmen rarely saturate winning metrics like Box Plus Minus. Only four five-stars made the top 50 nationally in BPM last season (Cooper Flagg, Khaman Maluach, Kon Knueppel, and VJ Edgecombe). The sweet spot kids and elite transfers dominate those leaderboards, suggesting programs should be more strategic about where they invest NIL dollars.The episode concludes with cautious optimism about DeVries's early recruiting indicators and why the Anthony Thompson recruitment looms as a key test.On the mics: Bob Moats, Mike Wiemuth, and special guest Stephen RagsdaleSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

As IU football has reached heights not seen in generations, so too has the mood of the IU fanbase. Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth sit down with Ryan Phillips to discuss the change in vibes experienced by fans of the long suffering Hoosier program.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

IU football just went from “pinch me” to “prove it.” Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth sit down with Galen Clavio to unpack the Hoosiers’ rapid rise—how it happened, what it means, and how a long-suffering fanbase should handle success. Then we zoom out: the decades-old cultural tug-of-war between the North and South and how it fuels the Big Ten vs. SEC battle for the soul of college football.What you’ll hear“Was it real?”—reliving last season and why fans should savor this run, not fear it. How IU’s surge compressed the “honeymoon” timeline and turbocharged recruiting in Year 2. The North vs. South culture clash: narratives, talent pipelines, and why media/TV incentives shape the conversation. Chapters (approx.)00:00 Cold open11:30 “Was it real?” + savoring the moment23:45 Recruiting & the accelerated timeline49:50 Big Ten vs. SEC culture war1:19:05 TV money, media narratives, and power dynamicsAbout the showHosted by Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth, X’s & Joe’s blends data, history, and a little Hoosier heart. Today’s guest: Galen Clavio.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth examine the beloved mythology of in-state recruiting, exploring whether building championship teams with local talent is still viable in modern college basketball.Puerto Rico Recap & Recruiting Updates[00:00-15:00]Bob and Mike discuss IU's successful exhibition trip to Puerto Rico, highlighting impressive performances and what the games revealed about the team's offensive potential. They also touch on the busy recruiting landscape, upcoming visits, and how the new coaching staff is filling their recruiting pipeline with diverse targets across multiple positions.The Dorothy Complex[15:00-30:00]Using "The Wizard of Oz" as a framework, Bob and Mike dive into the mythology surrounding in-state recruiting. They identify three distinct versions of the argument:The extreme position: Load up on as many in-state kids as possibleThe moderate approach: Swap in a few three-star locals at the marginsThe observational stance: Frustration over missing elite in-state prospectsThe discussion explores whether kids even want to stay home anymore, given changing family backgrounds and transplant populations.The Numbers Game[30:00-45:00]Mike presents data showing Indiana's changing talent production compared to basketball hotbeds like Georgia and Texas. Key revelations include how Indiana now produces only 2-3 top 100 players annually versus seven in peak years, and the geographic shift of elite talent toward the South and Southwest. The conversation covers population migration, infrastructure changes, and why the "inexhaustible pool" theory no longer holds.Modern Coaching Realities[45:00-60:00]Bob examines what coaches actually consider when balancing in-state versus national recruiting, using Matt Painter's Purdue model as a case study. Topics include:System-based recruiting versus talent acquisitionThe "who can you get" factor in roster constructionHow the transfer portal changes long-term planningWhy relationships with local coaches still matterChampionship Blueprints[60:00-75:00]Analysis of national championship rosters reveals that 85% of starters over the past 25 years were from out-of-state. Even programs in talent-rich areas like Virginia had zero in-state starters on their title team. The discussion examines whether building around local talent is mathematically feasible for championship contention.Indiana's Path Forward[75:00-End]Bob and Mike conclude with strategies for maintaining in-state connections while pursuing elite talent nationally. Topics include using walk-on programs strategically, staying visible in local communities, and why the current coaching staff's diverse recruiting approach makes sense for IU's championship aspirations.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth are joined by Scott Caulfield of Crimson Cast to examine the Big Ten's championship drought, exploring why the conference has failed to produce an NCAA basketball champion since Michigan in 1989.Main TopicsScott's Origin Story & Bloomington Memories[00:00-15:00]Scott shares his unlikely journey from New York City to small-town Bloomington and the formative experiences of growing up around IU's campus. Stories include legendary arcade haunts, meeting Galen at the campus radio station, and surviving Bob Knight's actual college class - complete with unforgettable encounters that reveal Knight's intimidating presence up close.One Shining Moment Obsession[15:00-30:00]Scott reveals his decades-long ritual of recording and analyzing every One Shining Moment video since the early 1990s. The conversation explores:• Why this montage is unique in all of sports• How production values have evolved over the years• What the footage reveals about which conferences actually matter in March• The painful reality of Big Ten representation in recent yearsThe Numbers Don't Lie[30:00-45:00]A data deep-dive into Big Ten tournament performance since 1987 reveals a troubling pattern of near-misses and missed opportunities. The discussion examines whether the conference's multiple championship game appearances represent bad luck or something more systemic about Big Ten basketball.Coaching & Conference Leadership[45:00-60:00]Questions about the Big Ten's coaching hierarchy and whether the conference has the leadership to compete with other major conferences. Topics include:• Tom Izzo's role as unofficial conference dean• Resistance to modern changes like NIL and transfer portal• How other conferences are embracing younger, more adaptable coaches• Whether the Big Ten needs a changing of the guardThe Talent Gap[60:00-75:00]Eye-opening recruiting data reveals stark differences between Big Ten rosters and championship-caliber teams from other conferences. The analysis covers geographic talent distribution, position-specific recruiting challenges, and why the conference continues to lose homegrown stars to programs outside the Midwest.Indiana's Championship Window[75:00-End]Scott makes the case for why Indiana might be uniquely positioned to break the Big Ten's championship drought. The conversation covers the program's potential advantages in the modern college basketball landscape and whether IU can finally give Big Ten fans something to celebrate in One Shining Moment.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth field listener questions on a range of sports and non-sports topics to fill the summer dead period in college basketball, covering everything from bison merchandise to movie recommendations.Main TopicsSummer Check-ins & Countdown Clock[00:00-15:00]Bob and Mike catch up on summer travels - Bennett's first beach trip and chocolate-fueled Hershey Park adventures. Mike reveals they're officially under 30 days until college football kickoff. They also plug Perry Metz's YouTube channel featuring digitized classic media interviews from the 70s and 80s.Bison Merchandise & Black Uniform Debate[15:00-25:00]Questions about the bison costume unveiling (August 30th against Old Dominion) and Homefield Apparel's early merchandise drop. The conversation shifts to IU's relationship with black uniforms, including memories of the infamous 1997 disaster against Kentucky and why black works for both traditionalists and recruits.Tony's Coaching Questions[25:00-45:00]Jokes about Tony Adragna’s "massive NIL resources" at Greenwood Christian Academy lead to discussions about championship expectations. Questions about whether recruits automatically get ranking boosts after committing to major programs spark analysis of causation vs. correlation in recruiting rankings.IU Roster Deep Dive[45:00-65:00]Detailed breakdown of how IU's wing rotation might work with multiple versatile players. Discussion covers why the program didn't pursue another traditional center more aggressively, examining DeVries' offensive philosophy and the constraints of roster building in the portal era.Basketball Philosophy Questions[65:00-85:00]Debates over NCAA tournament expansion and whether Bob Knight's motion offense could work in the modern game. Topics include shot clock constraints, the evolution of dribble penetration, and how defensive adjustments have changed offensive spacing.Movies & Random Fun[85:00-End]The episode lightens up with Bob and Mike's top 10 films since 2000, discussions of timeless movies, and personal questions about technology predictions. Things get silly with dream pet choices - Bob wants a monkey butler while Mike strategically picks a red panda to score marital points.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth dive deep into the shadowy world of negative recruiting in college basketball, exploring the tactics, effectiveness, and ethics of programs steering players away from rival schools.Main TopicsSports Dead Period & Pacers Reflection[00:00-15:00]Bob and Mike discuss the dreaded summer sports lull and reflect on the Indiana Pacers' surprising playoff run. They examine the team's selfless ball movement, Tyrese Haliburton's devastating injury, and what the season meant for bringing fans back to NBA basketball after years away.Negative Recruiting Parallels to Politics[15:00-25:00]Drawing parallels to political campaigning, Bob and Mike establish how negative recruiting works as a persuasion contest. They discuss:Key differences between political ads and recruiting (multiple "candidates," shadow operations)The concept of "kamikaze" recruiting to prevent rivals from landing recruitsStrategic timing of when to go negative in recruitment battlesThe Intelligence Game[25:00-35:00]The conversation turns to how programs gather intelligence on recruits and families. Topics include:Assistant coaches' extensive networks and relationship-buildingUnderstanding family dynamics and decision-makersThe role of third-party surrogates like AAU coachesHow specific intel can get (down to restaurant preferences)Variables & Vulnerabilities[35:00-45:00]Using a comprehensive list of recruiting factors, they explore how different variables create opportunities for negative recruiting. The discussion covers playing time, facilities, academics, party scene, geography, and more, emphasizing how each recruit's priorities differ dramatically.The Scott Drew vs. Bob Knight Story[45:00-55:00]Bob and Mike recount the legendary bathroom confrontation where Bob Knight cornered Scott Drew over negative recruiting materials. This story illustrates the tensions between established programs and upstart challengers trying to disrupt the recruiting landscape.Player Compensation Era & IU's Fresh Start[55:00-End]The discussion shifts to how NIL has changed recruiting dynamics and examines IU's situation under the new coaching staff. They analyze recent comments about fan expectations and how confident leadership can address external criticism.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth are joined by Dr. Galen Clavio and former IU Student Body President Cooper Tinsley to explore how the bison mascot made its return to Indiana University.A Historic Recording Setup[00:00-05:00]A first for the show - recording with Cooper calling in from Paris during his study abroad. Cooper served as IU's 77th Student Body President after transferring from Alabama, where he only lasted one semester before realizing IU was where he belonged.Cooper's Path to Student Leadership[05:00-15:00]Cooper walked through his journey from Alabama transfer to student government leader, explaining how communication (or lack thereof) was often the biggest challenge in student government. His presidency was notably successful with unusually good cooperation between the executive and congressional branches.How the Bison Movement Started[15:00-25:00]The perfect storm began in fall 2024 when IU football's incredible season created unprecedented campus unity. Cooper had a conversation with Athletics Director Scott Dolson about how football was bringing students together like nothing had in years. Learning that the original bison mascot came from student government action in the 1960s, Cooper decided to follow that historical playbook.Galen's Years-Long Campaign[25:00-35:00]Galen explained how multiple groups had been working toward this goal independently:Homefield Apparel's bison merchandise starting around 2015-2016Professor Paul Gutar's grassroots campaign with merchandiseGalen's "Bring Back the Bison" advocacy on Crimson CastAthletics department's growing interestAll these efforts converged at exactly the right time.The Student Government Battle[35:00-45:00]What Cooper thought would be a quick, fun vote turned into a three-hour debate lasting until midnight. The main opposition centered around fears of bringing back the original 1960s costume, which everyone agreed was genuinely terrifying. Cooper's brilliant move: posting an Instagram poll during the meeting that got 750+ responses in three minutes, with 70-80% student support.Making the Case for Skeptics[45:00-55:00]Galen laid out the three-part argument for the bison:Historical connection to Indiana (bison territory, Buffalo Trace, state seal)Gives the "Hoosier" name a visual identity it's always lackedCommercial necessity - most successful college programs have mascotsThe Bigger Picture[55:00-End]Cooper shared how Alabama integrated their mascot into the entire university experience, not just sports.The group discussed how the bison could serve multiple generations - from young kids meeting the mascot to alumni having a consistent symbol to rally around. Galen reflected that if contributing to bringing back the bison is his main legacy at IU, he'd be satisfied with that impact. And much more …See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth examine how the transfer portal and NIL have fundamentally altered the landscape for mid-major teams and their ability to pull off NCAA tournament upsets.[0:00-5:00] Introduction & Producer WelcomeIntroduction of new producer William McDermottDiscussion of recent Indy 500 raceSetup for main topic on March Madness becoming "less mad"[5:00-15:00] The Old Formula for Mid-Major UpsetsAnalysis of Mercer's 2014 upset victory over Duke as the archetypal exampleTwo key historical advantages identified:Experience advantage: Mercer's starting five had 20 years combined college experience vs Duke's 10 yearsRoster continuity: Four of Mercer's starters played together since 2012 (90+ games as a unit) vs Duke's 14 games togetherHistorical pattern of upsets featuring experienced, cohesive mid-major teams against talent-heavy but inexperienced major programs[15:00-30:00] Transfer Portal's Devastating Impact on Mid-MajorsStark statistics: 80% of quality mid-major players (starters averaging 10+ PPG) now transfer upConference-by-conference breakdown:Southern Conference: Only 1 of 11 top returning players stayingMissouri Valley Conference: Just 3 of 15 top players returning (80% bleed rate)The "dual challenge": Mid-majors lose their best players while also losing potential replacements to major programs[30:00-40:00] The New Minor League RealityMid-majors now function as a development system for power conferencesPower conference coaches no longer need to gamble on unproven recruitsCan simply observe and poach players who prove themselves at lower levels[40:00-50:00] Alternative Models for Future Success"Ocean's Eleven" approach: Assembling rosters from multiple transfer sources (Indiana State 2024 example)Coach-led transfers: Bringing entire successful programs up levels (Ben McCollum at Drake example)Systematic advantages through coaching and scheme rather than talent accumulation[50:00-55:00] Looking Forward & Market AdaptationRecognition that upsets will become increasingly rareAlternative postseason opportunities like NIT may gain importanceCollege basketball still in flux with final competitive equilibrium yet to be establishedThe episode ultimately suggests that while the magic of March may be diminishing, mid-major programs that can adapt to this new reality may still find ways to compete—just not in the same David vs. Goliath fashion that made college basketball's greatest upsets so memorable.Resources:George Martin : https://youtu.be/h3AY1CVUgJw?si=JQRdg3o2zh7bQkzMDelta force theme Indy 500: https://youtu.be/CSzgwCql_mo?si=X8_eZQgvLUNhRwEDSam Posey: https://youtu.be/8I7gKuoEMCM?si=1sXoeRtSeZh0tfLgBoom Baby: https://youtu.be/xRXScx4gsYk?si=zJkZ17XDiwCKuwZtWonder Indiana: https://blog.library.in.gov/wander-indiana-let-your-wanderin-spirit-come-on-thru/Mercer: https://youtu.be/oNWe8kqBRlg?si=rd-Kj6oW_TncPaUPLehigh: https://youtu.be/06c1eOgZQeo?si=xuptNn-XPkR55hFZOceans 11: https://youtu.be/imm6OR605UI?si=lFwM-60fR4Glp8zMOriginal Oceans 11: https://youtu.be/ppVby97BNiw?si=xqTcDBbfNUbREbIbThe End (Beatles): https://youtu.be/12R4FzIhdoQ?si=HjosVjomRxmIgHqNHer Majesty (Beatles): https://youtu.be/12R4FzIhdoQ?si=EP5GhjVo9e0zeKEiMid Major Donor Article Insights from Top NIL Supporters at the Group of 5 LevelSeed RecordsRecords for every seed in March Madness from 1985 to 2025Mid Major Viability ArticleNo One Mourns the Mid-Majors: Can Mid-Major Schools Survive Under the House v. NCAA Settlement Agreement, or is College Athletics Destined to Downsize? — Kentucky Law JournalSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth dive into the chaotic world of the college basketball transfer portal, examining how it's reshaping rosters across the country and what strategies teams are employing in this new landscape.After celebrating Mike's milestone birthday and discussing the historic announcement of the first Villanova alum Pope, Bob and Mike jump into their analysis of how different programs are using the portal to rebuild, reload, or completely transform their teams.Portal Strategies and Team TransformationsBob and Mike analyze several programs that have taken different approaches to transfer portal recruitment:• Iowa: Under new coach Ben McCollum, they've essentially imported his successful Drake team, bringing in key players like Bennett Sturtz while implementing a dramatically different style from Fran McCaffrey's up-tempo approach• Illinois: Bruce Underwood is building what Mike calls "the Serbian junior national team," bringing in international talent including Andre Cekovic (Peja Stojakovic's son) and the Tshiebwe brothers• Louisville: After struggling last season, they've addressed their shooting deficiencies by adding marksmen Isaac McNeely and Ryan Conwell to complement their incoming freshman stars• St. John's: Rick Pitino has assembled what could be "an Elite Eight level starting lineup just from the portal," showcasing how quickly a roster can be transformed• Purdue: Despite losing Cam Heide and Ethan Morton, they've maintained continuity around their core of Braden Smith, Fletcher Loyer, and promising international talentThey also discuss how some programs like North Carolina and Baylor have been gutted by portal departures, highlighting the double-edged nature of this new era in college basketball.Indiana's New-Look RosterThe final segment focuses on Indiana's roster under new coach Darren DeVries:• DeVries has prioritized shooting ability, building a roster where "nine of these ten guys are pretty solid definitely in that 35-ish percent or above range" from three-point range• Players like Lamar Wilkerson, Tucker DeVries, and Tayton Conerway bring complementary skills that should create better spacing and more dynamic offensive possibilities• Bob and Mike discuss potential lineup combinations, with Conerway and Connor Enright potentially sharing point guard duties, Reed Bailey anchoring the frontcourt, and shooters spreading the floor• Unlike previous IU teams that appeared "robotic" on offense, they expect this group to play with more flow and freedom while maintaining defensive intensity• They highlight the coaching staff's recruiting connections, particularly Kenny Johnson and Rod Clark's ties to elite AAU programs in the talent-rich "golden crescent" from the Northeast through the SouthThis entertaining and insightful episode provides a comprehensive look at how the transfer portal is reshaping college basketball, with particular focus on what it means for Indiana's future under Coach DeVries.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob and Mike welcome Andy Bottoms from The Assembly Call to discuss the evolving world of bracketology and what the 2025 NCAA Tournament reveals about the future of college basketball.This episode offers an insider's perspective on how bracketologists approach their craft, the metrics that matter most to the selection committee, and why the drama of bubble teams captures the public's imagination in ways similar to reality television.The conversation explores how conference realignment has fundamentally altered tournament selection, creating a widening gap between power conferences and mid-majors.Segment 1: The Rise of Bracketology as a Cultural PhenomenonAndy explains that bracketology has exploded in popularity partly because the selection process has become more data-driven and terminology has worked its way into mainstream broadcasts (7:00)Mike theorizes bracketology taps into the same psychological appeal as reality TV shows – the drama of inclusion and exclusion captures audience attention (19:00)The committee's increasing transparency through regular updates has transformed selection from a one-day event into a season-long narrative (20:30)Andy describes his process, noting the challenge isn't just analyzing metrics but predicting how a committee of 12 people will interpret them (28:00)Segment 2: Power Conference Dominance and Mid-Major DisadvantagesThe 2025 tournament saw all four #1 seeds reach the Final Four, potentially reinforcing the committee's tendency to favor power conference teams (10:00)Andy expresses disappointment with how top mid-majors like Drake were treated on the seed list, noting how close they came to missing the tournament entirely despite outstanding seasons (59:00)Viewership for the 2025 tournament increased dramatically (approximately 20%), creating incentives for the committee to continue favoring matchups between power conference teams (67:00)Discussion of how conference realignment has made it nearly impossible for mid-majors to build nationally competitive programs as their best players get poached through the transfer portal (67:00)Segment 3: Analytics and Future ImplicationsThe committee's use of metrics has evolved, with predictive analytics (like KenPom and Torvik) becoming increasingly influential in tournament selection (36:00)Teams now have to consider margin of victory in early-season games, creating a difficult balance between building their metrics and managing player minutes (42:00)Andy evaluates whether the chalky 2025 tournament was a blip or trend, suggesting mid-major disadvantages will continue while the dominance of #1 seeds might be an aberration (89:00)Debate about tournament expansion concludes that while it might benefit mid-majors, it would likely dilute the competitive quality and drama that makes March Madness special (94:00)The episode provides valuable insight into how the modern selection process works while questioning whether the system is becoming too tilted toward power conferences. As the hosts note, the fundamental challenge remains the same: win games, beat good teams decisively, and build a strong enough resume to impress both the metrics and committee members.On the mics: Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth with Andy Bottoms (The Assembly Call)See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Episode 29 offers a comprehensive analysis of Mike Woodson's four-year tenure as Indiana University's basketball coach, examining the factors behind his hiring, the challenges he faced, and the broader implications for college basketball coaching searches at traditional powerhouse programs.Hosts Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth are joined by Josh Burton of Everything College Basketball to discuss how Woodson's departure represents a cautionary tale about bringing NBA coaches without college experience to the collegiate level, while also exploring how the transfer portal era is reshaping basketball programs at all levels.Segment 1: The Challenge of NBA-to-College Coaching TransitionsNBA-to-college coaching transitions have a mixed track record (Penny Hardaway, Juwan Howard, Mike Woodson), with most struggling to adapt to the complexities of the college gameThe college coaching environment requires significantly different skills than the NBA: recruiting, player development, NIL management, and relating to much younger athletesCollege basketball demands systems that maximize less developed players, while NBA coaching often assumes elite talent that can create their own opportunitiesWoodson faced a substantial age gap (often 40+ years) with his players, creating challenges in connecting with and developing young talentThe role of a college coach as GM, recruiter, and developer requires much more multifaceted skills than NBA coaching positionsSegment 2: The Woodson Era's Strategic FailuresWoodson's offensive system remained rooted in outdated basketball philosophy, featuring two traditional bigs clogging the paint rather than adapting to modern spacing conceptsIndiana consistently ranked among the nation's worst in three-point attempt rate (321st, 350th, 351st, and 321st in his four seasons)Several talented guards (Tamar Bates, Kalib Banks, CJ Gunn) transferred away from Indiana and flourished elsewhere in systems that maximized their skillsWoodson's inability to adapt his system to modern basketball led to predictable offensive struggles against teams that employed drop coverage defenseWoodson's reliance on Trayce Jackson-Davis' individual brilliance masked tactical shortcomings early in his tenureSegment 3: Recruiting Challenges and Program DirectionWhile Woodson improved Indiana's recruiting profile compared to the Archie Miller era, he struggled to land elite guards after early success with Jalen Hood-SchifinoWoodson went 0-for-31 on top-100 guard offers after Hood-Schifino committedNotable recruiting misses including Braelon Mullens, Liam McNeely, and Boogie Fland severely limited Indiana's ceilingThe center-focused offensive style likely deterred elite guards from committing to IndianaWoodson's alleged lack of effort in recruitment (reportedly going months without contacting five-star in-state recruit Braelon Mullens) reflected broader questions about his commitment to the modern demands of college coachingSegment 4: Legacy and Lessons for Blue Blood ProgramsWoodson's tenure represents a transitional period that did leave the program in somewhat better shape than he found it (went 2-2 against Purdue after Archie Miller went 0-7)Never had a losing season, made two NCAA tournaments, and raised Indiana's recruiting profileTraditional programs like Indiana must be willing to take bold coaching risks rather than "safe" options to return to elite statusThe transfer portal era makes program rebuilding potentially faster but requires coaches who fully embrace modern basketball philosophy and recruitingIndiana and other blue blood programs risk continued decline and fan apathy if they don't adapt to the changing landscape of college basketballThis episode provides a thoughtful examination of how the transition from NBA to college coaching often fails due to fundamental differences in the required skill sets and approaches. The discussion highlights how college basketball's evolution demands coaches who can adapt to modern offensive principles, navigate the transfer portal era effectively, and fully commit to the demanding schedule of recruiting.The conversation serves as a valuable case study for athletic directors and programs considering similar hires, emphasizing the importance of selecting coaches with a deep understanding of the college game's unique dynamics rather than relying solely on professional pedigree or alumni connections.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this special live episode, hosts Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth break down Indiana's hiring of Darian DeVries as the program's 31st head basketball coach. The hosts dive into DeVries's background, coaching philosophy, and what Hoosier fans can expect moving forward with a mix of cautious optimism and analytical insight.The conversation explores DeVries's impressive track record at Drake (where he won 25 games per season at a program that averaged just 13 wins before his arrival) and his promising single season at West Virginia. The hosts examine his offensive and defensive systems, recruiting success, and why IU fans should be excited about the future while maintaining realistic expectations.What You'll Hear:Why DeVries's Drake teams overachieved compared to the program's historical averages by a remarkable marginHow DeVries runs a modern five-out offense that creates space, emphasizes ball movement, and generates quality three-point shotsDetails on his defensive approach that emphasizes ball pressure, communication, and disrupting passing lanesThe impact Tucker DeVries (his son and a potential transfer) could have on IU's rosterWhy DeVries might be able to turn the program around quickly with Indiana's NIL resourcesThis episode strikes a balance between enthusiasm for the future and an understanding that championship-level success takes time. As the hosts point out, DeVries wasn't necessarily on many fans' radar initially, but his track record of program-building and ability to win immediately at both Drake and West Virginia make him an intriguing hire for a program looking to return to national prominence.Whether you're thrilled, skeptical, or somewhere in between about the hiring, this episode provides valuable context about what DeVries brings to Bloomington and what to watch for as he begins building his program at Indiana.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Episode 27 offers a comprehensive year-in-review of the 2024-2025 college basketball season, examining both expected outcomes and surprising developments as the NCAA Tournament field is set.Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth analyze the shifting conference power dynamics, team regressions, and unexpected success stories while reflecting on what these patterns reveal about modern college basketball.Segment 1: Conference Consolidation and Power DynamicsThe SEC dominated the tournament field, with all but two conference teams making the tournament, reflecting a growing gap in athletic talent similar to football's development in the 1990sConference consolidation has created clear tiers of power, with the SEC and Big Ten at the top, followed by the Big 12 and ACCThe hosts discuss the "eye test" difference when watching SEC/Big 12 teams compared to other conferences, particularly in athleticism and physicalityTeams like Purdue and UConn experienced predictable regressions after losing transformative players like Zach Edey and Donovan ClinganSegment 2: Surprising PerformancesWisconsin transformed from a traditionally slow, methodical program to a high-scoring team averaging 80 points per gameLouisville under Pat Kelsey made a remarkable turnaround from 8-24 (185th in KenPom) to 27-7 (23rd in KenPom) and an 8-seedPenn State didn't make the expected leap under Mike Rhoades despite early promising signsKentucky, Michigan, and Louisville all exceeded expectations under new coaches despite initial fan skepticism about their hiresHouston became a more complete team by improving their offensive efficiency and three-point shooting while maintaining elite defenseSegment 3: Indiana's Season and Coaching ChangeIndiana finished on the wrong side of the NCAA Tournament bubble as the "first team out" after a disappointing 10-10 conference recordAnalysis of why highly-touted transfer guards Myles Rice and Kanaan Carlyle underperformed relative to statistical projectionsDiscussion of how roster construction and offensive system limited the team's ceiling despite having talented individual playersA brief discussion on the ongoing coaching search, noting that patience is important as the most successful coaching hires often come later in the cycleThis episode provides a thoughtful examination of how program building works in modern college basketball, illustrating how coaching, system fit, and player development determine which teams rise and fall each season.The discussion offers valuable context for understanding the cyclical nature of program success in an era of increased player movement and conference realignment.Links:The Cranberries - Zombie (Alt. Version)"The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" - Gordon Lightfoot (HD w/ Lyrics)1985 Bears: The Greatest Defensive Season of All-Time! | Legendary TeamsWhy is Northern Ireland Obsessed with the Colour Orange?Ryan's Daughter (1970) TrailerJohn Andretti - 2009 Indianapolis 500 Bump Day Qualifying RunThe Dirty Dozen (1967) - Blowing The Chateau Scene (9/10) | MovieclipsTHE QUIET MAN ('52) | Final Fight Scene ☘️🤜Pipes and drums of the Irish guards new guard Irish guardsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In episode 26, hosts Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth welcome guest Ryan Phillips from The Assembly Call to discuss coaching search dynamics in college basketball, particularly focusing on Indiana’s current situation following Mike Woodson's departure announcement.Segment 1: The Wall of Sound and SilenceThe hosts explore the challenging information landscape during coaching searches, comparing it to "Schrodinger's cat" – everyone desperately wants to know what's happening inside a sealed box that won't be opened until an official announcement is made. This creates fertile ground for rumors, flight tracking, and what Bob calls "horse-farm theories."Ryan provides fascinating insider perspective on how reporters navigate these waters, sharing the rules he follows during searches and why information is always shared for a reason. The conversation reveals why back-channel communications might be happening now, but serious discussions typically don't heat up until conference tournaments begin.Segment 2: Cracking the CodeWhat separates successful coaching hires from disappointments? The hosts examine surprising data about coaching longevity across Division I and what it reveals about hiring practices. Mike introduces a particularly compelling statistical predictor that has shown remarkable consistency in forecasting which coaches succeed at championship levels – with only one exception since the 1960s.This leads to a thoughtful discussion about whether athletic directors should move more quickly on coaching changes in today's landscape. Ryan offers a compelling perspective on why programs like Indiana "can't afford to miss again" and the potential long-term consequences if they do.Segment 3: Indiana's Next MoveThe hosts exchange views on what Indiana should prioritize in its next coach, discussing specific candidates who might align with what they call the "theory of opposites." They debate the merits of coaches like Scott Drew and T.J. Otzelberger, with each host revealing their personal preferences.Ryan makes an intriguing prediction about the possibility of a completely unexpected hire, explaining why coaching moves that "come out of left field" are increasingly common in today's college basketball environment. The episode concludes with a tribute to actor Gene Hackman and his iconic portrayal of basketball coach Norman Dale in "Hoosiers."See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

On this episode of X's and Joe's, Bob and Mike explore how the 3-point shot has revolutionized basketball, examining its evolution from gimmick to fundamental strategy and its impact on modern offensive systems.Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth trace the history of the 3-point line from its origins in early professional leagues through its adoption across all levels of basketball, while analyzing how it has transformed everything from youth player development to collegiate offensive systems.The discussion is particularly timely given recent coaching changes at programs like Indiana, Kentucky, and Michigan, where offensive philosophy and three-point shooting strategy may play a key role in future hires.Against the backdrop of increasing three-point frequency across college basketball (from 30% of shots in 2000 to nearly 40% in 2025), the hosts examine how spacing, penetration, and player development have evolved to maximize this offensive weapon.Segment 1: The Origins and Evolution of the Three-Point Shot:• Early implementation as a gimmick in the ABA and ABL leagues• Adoption timeline across professional, international and college basketball• Analysis of three-point frequency and efficiency trends over 25 years• Impact of rule changes like shot clock and three-point line distanceSegment 2: Player Development and Modern Offensive Strategy:• Changes in youth basketball development emphasizing perimeter skills• Influence of international players like Oscar Schmidt and Arvydas Sabonis• Importance of quick decision-making and catch-and-shoot mechanics• Evolution of transition offense and spacing concepts• Role of penetration in creating three-point opportunitiesSegment 3 and wrap up: Coaching Changes and Future Implications:• Discussion of how three-point philosophy may influence coaching hires• Analysis of recent changes at Kentucky and Michigan showing trend toward modern offenses• Examination of fan expectations regarding offensive style• Balance between three-point shooting and driving ability in modern systemsReferences:1987 Pan American Basketball Final Brasil vs UsaHow Good Was Arvydas Sabonis Actually?COOPER DEJEAN PICK SIX IN THE SUPER BOWL Louie Dampier Career HighlightsNBA initially hated the 3-point shot when ABA first introduced it at the start of 1967–68 season1988 Olympics Basketball Semifinal USA 76 USSR 82See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.