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Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth welcome Galen Clavio to dive deep into whether Curt Cignetti's hire represents the greatest turnaround in college football history, explore what the numbers actually say, and discuss how a basketball school winning a football national championship changes everything.Still Processing the ImpossibleThe trio opens by admitting they're all still struggling to process what just happened—and it's not just IU fans. Galen notes the rest of college football can't wrap their heads around it either, with people still joking online like "imagine if Indiana was good enough to win a national title—oh wait." They discuss how Cignetti created belief in the fan base through a steady boil rather than a flash fry, and how by the Ohio State game, IU fans had crossed the threshold from "I can't believe we're here" to "I can't wait to kick their butts."The Basketball SituationBefore diving into football greatness, the conversation detours into IU basketball's current state. Galen questions why IU continues struggling to recruit the athletic players that Texas Tech, Alabama, and other programs seem to land consistently—a problem that's plagued multiple coaches. Bob notes the team lacks identity and feels mercurial, though the Purdue win showed what's possible when everything clicks. Mike explains this was always a "proof of concept" roster with a fixed ceiling, and the portal additions next year should stabilize things.Quantifying GreatnessMike breaks out the data comparing Cignetti to legendary coaches:Only five coaches in history won 90%+ of games in their first two years—Barry Switzer, Larry Coker, Ryan Day, Urban Meyer, and Terry BowdenAll of them inherited rosters loaded with NFL players (Coker inherited 34 future NFL players at Miami, including 13 Pro Bowlers)Cignetti inherited maybe a handful at best, then had to build through the portal on a condensed timelineWhen comparing first championship timelines, only Urban Meyer matched Cignetti's two-year mark among modern coachesThe kicker: Cignetti's 61-point variance above IU's 50-year baseline (32% to 93%) has never been done before—not even closeThe Bill Snyder ComparisonMike reveals the closest historical comparison is Bill Snyder at Kansas State, widely considered one of the greatest turnaround artists ever. But even Snyder started 6-16 in his first two years before building to sustained success. The difference? Snyder's best Kansas State teams (like the 11-1 squad in 1998) still fell short in championship moments. Cignetti didn't just match the journey—he completed it by winning the whole thing in year two.The Basketball School ParadoxBob introduces the revelation that IU is the first basketball blue blood to win a football national championship. Not Kentucky, not North Carolina, not Kansas—Indiana. Galen explores what this means for redefining IU's identity, noting that if you asked every 60-year-old alum at Power Five schools to stand if they've seen their team win both a football and basketball title, only three would stand: IU, Florida, and Michigan. The conversation turns philosophical about whether IU can maintain elite football success while not choking off oxygen for basketball and other sports—a question no basketball school has ever had to answer before.The Providence FactorMike emphasizes to IU fans: this is not normal. Most fan bases never see their team win a national championship in their lifetime, and many programs' titles came before their current fans were born. The group discusses how IU's championship breaks all the meters for measuring greatness, with Galen noting there's an open debate about whether this was the greatest college football team of all time—a sentence that would have seemed like satire just two years ago.This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Home Field Apparel.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth process the surreal reality of Indiana winning a national championship in football, explore the Mendoza moment that will define IU history, and discuss how this changes everything from rivalries to recruiting expectations across college sports.Processing the ImpossibleBob and Mike try wrapping their heads around IU joining the exclusive club of just 11 programs with both football and basketball national titles—and how their main rival doesn't have either. They discuss whether the dopamine hit will ever fade, Chris Fowler's perfect call on the Mendoza run, and why the real lasting value isn't the replay but the memory of who you were with when it happened. (Bob admits he watched the McAfee feed instead of the regular broadcast because he wanted the energy of the one guy who believed in IU the whole way.)The Monolith TheoryBob introduces his "2001: A Space Odyssey" framework for understanding what just happened between IU and Purdue. For years, both programs were apes living in fear of the dark (elite programs), unable to command fire or use tools. Then the monolith showed up and taught one group how to use a bone as a weapon—while the other group still tries scaring opponents off with performative displays. The deeper question: what happens when one rival figures out they don't need to chant "you suck" anymore because they just expect to win?What This Championship Actually BuysMike explains why this title will resonate differently than championships won in past eras:Winning now requires surviving a three-game tournament that produces the three most-watched games of the yearThis is probably the most viral championship run in modern college sports history—60 Minutes, Good Morning America, Jimmy Fallon coverageThe measurables: #3 portal class, completely changed access to four and five-star recruitsThe biggest long-term win: flipping the narrative from "they won't show up" to taking over stadiums at Alabama, Oregon, and MiamiStudio 54 and the Zero-to-One ProblemMike's "Studio 54 effect" explains championship psychology: everyone wants in the club, nobody wants to be behind the rope. You might not be in the VIP room with Alabama, but you're at least on the dance floor now. The biggest variance isn't between one championship and five—it's zero to one. He watched it happen with Eagles fans, and now he's watching Purdue message boards explode with "Fire Bobinski" posts while fans mortgage all their emotions into basketball karma evening the score.The Next "What About Wisconsin?"Mike predicts Cignetti's success will become the new impossible standard thrown at coaches nationwide, just like Bo Ryan at Wisconsin became the "what about Wisconsin?" drinking game. The problem: there can usually only be one or two unicorn coaches who "do more with less" at a time, and what makes Cignetti statistically unique is having multiple one-in-several-thousand recruits become All-Americans on the same team. Bob warns that ADs chasing flash bangs instead of understanding infrastructure will lose—the portal shrinks timelines, but process still matters more than quick hits.This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth check in from opposite sides of the country to discuss IU's impending national championship matchup with Miami, dissect the Hoosiers' recent basketball struggles, and explore what reasonable expectations look like for both programs right now.The Rose Bowl That Wasn'tBob and Mike open with the bittersweet realization that their long-planned Back Home Network meetup this weekend could have been in Miami for the national championship game instead of Bloomington for an Iowa basketball matchup. They discuss IU's status as an 8.5-point favorite over Miami, the narrative that IU "hasn't been tested" despite beating Ohio State, Oregon, and Alabama by a combined margin that would make Sherman's March to the Sea look gentle, and why Miami fans might want to check out Homefield Apparel's vintage Hurricanes collection before Monday's game.Basketball's Reality CheckThe conversation shifts to IU basketball's brutal week—blowing a 16-point lead to Nebraska and getting boat-raced by Michigan State at Breslin. Bob and Mike break down what's actually happening beyond the disappointing results:The roster gaps they identified in the preseason are showing up exactly as predicted—too many elite shooters, not enough drivers or rim protectionLamar Wilkerson is performing at a legitimate All-American level (near 10 BPM), but when defenses key on him and Tucker DeVries, IU struggles to generate offense elsewhereConerway is the only true penetrator, and when teams neutralize him, the offense becomes predictable and easy to defendAgainst physically superior teams like Michigan State, IU's passing windows close dramatically and their carefully designed actions don't create the same looks they get in practiceThe Roster Construction StoryMike explains the brutal timeline Darian DeVries faced building this roster—hired in mid-April right as the portal was opening, with top guards already off the board before IU even had a full staff assembled. They discuss how next year's portal cycle can address many of these gaps, and why this season's limitations don't predict future struggles.Scheme and PsychologyBob dives into the X's and O's, noting IU is getting nearly 20% of their possessions off cuts and off-ball screens—historically high for DeVries—because they have to manufacture offense without dominant drivers or post players. When defenses adjust and take away these actions, IU doesn't have a clear "what's next" option. The mental side matters too: watching players tunnel-vision toward Wilkerson late in games or run actions mechanically rather than reading the defense shows a team still figuring out who they are.Looking AheadThey close by previewing Saturday's Iowa game as a better measuring stick than the Michigan State beatdown, discussing upcoming video breakdowns of IU's offensive schemes, and teasing a deep dive into Curt Cignetti's historical context as potentially IU's greatest athletic department hire ever—regardless of Monday's outcome in Miami.This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth wrap up their conversation with IU historian Bill Murphy, exploring the Hurrying Hoosiers era, legendary shooters, early NIL deals, and the dramatic transition from Branch McCracken to Lou Watson that paved the way for Bob Knight.The Splendid SplinterBill shares unforgettable stories about Jimmy Rayl's two 56-point performances, including how Rayl insisted he would've scored 80 against Michigan State if Branch hadn't pulled him with four minutes left—and how 17 of his makes would've been three-pointers. Mike recounts witnessing an elderly Rayl at a Larry Bird exhibition game, calibrating his first shot then draining seven straight from Steph Curry range, hitting nothing but net each time.Early NIL and Record-Breaking ReboundsBill reveals a forgotten piece of IU history: Walt Bellamy was promised a car by a Bloomington auto dealer if he set the Big Ten rebounding record. During the final home game, Branch McCracken and Jimmy Rayl sat on the bench with a gum wrapper and golf pencil, tracking every rebound to make sure Bellamy earned his wheels. Bellamy's 33-rebound performance still stands as the Big Ten record.Watson's Rollercoaster RideLou Watson inherited disaster in 1965—just 120 points returning after seven seniors left—and finished tied for ninth (dead last) in his first year. But he engineered the first last-to-first turnaround in Big Ten history the very next season, winning the 1967 championship. Bill then reveals the shocking reason Watson's final team collapsed: two players stopped passing to each other because they were dating the same girl, derailing what should've been a championship run with one of IU's greatest recruiting classes.Branch's Final StandWhen doctors told Branch a heart attack meant retirement, he shocked everyone by celebrating: "How many people know how they're gonna die? I'm still coaching." Bill also shares his lingering frustration with AD Bill Orwig, who accused Branch of illegal recruiting and forced him to take a lie detector test, and praises Lou Watson's grace in helping Bob Knight transition into the program.This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth continue their conversation with IU historian Bill Murphy, shifting from football glory to basketball history. This installment dives deep into the Branch McCracken era, revealing why Bill's favorite IU coach isn't who most fans would expect.Branch McCracken: The SheriffBill makes his case for Branch McCracken over Bob Knight, drawing fascinating parallels between the two legendary coaches. Branch coached 24 years (1938-1965, minus three years serving in WWII), finishing first or second in the Big Ten in 12 of those seasons with two national titles. Knight coached 29 years, finishing first or second in 16 seasons with three titles. Bill argues that had NCAA tournament rules been different, Branch might have won in 1960 when IU beat Ohio State by 16 in Bloomington after their last 12-game win streak, while Knight's 1987 title came when IU tied for the Big Ten title with three other teams. Bill recounts meeting Branch as an eighth grader in New Albany, a handshake he didn't want to wash for a week, and describes a six-foot-four presence who earned nicknames like "The Sheriff" and "The Bear" while drinking coffee at every shop on the Bloomington square to keep tabs on his players.The Van Arsdale Twins' Supernatural SymmetryThe conversation turns to Tom and Dick Van Arsdale, whose three-year careers produced jaw-dropping statistical similarities:Separated by just 12 points over 72 games (1,252 to 1,240)Only 10 rebounds apart (729 to 719)Both hit exactly 15 field goals in their career-high game against Notre DameConstantly pranked Branch by wearing mismatched socks after he tried to distinguish them by colorOfficials sometimes let the wrong twin shoot free throws because they couldn't tell them apartMike shares stories from his father, who lived in the SAE house with the twins and John McGlocklin—three of IU's seven all-time NBA All-Stars living in the same room.Chesty Chips and Television HistoryBill reveals how IU became the first university to televise basketball games in 1950 when radio announcer Paul Lennon convinced a Terre Haute potato chip company to sponsor games for $1,500 each. After one broadcast, Chesty Potato Chips went from one shift to three and sold out across the region, causing the price to jump to $5,000 per game the next year.Branch's BoysBill shares his favorite McCracken moments—from officials threatening a technical for every step back to the bench (so players carried him), to another ref getting him to sit down by saying "your fly is open," to Branch's simple philosophy: if he could only win one game all year, it would be against Purdue. That hatred paid off in 1940 when IU swept Purdue but finished second in the Big Ten, yet still received the NCAA tournament invitation over the conference champs.This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth welcome back IU historian Bill Murphy for part two of their deep dive into Indiana football history, perfectly timed as the Hoosiers prepare for their first Rose Bowl appearance in nearly 60 years.The conversation picks up with the 1967 team's journey to Pasadena and weaves through decades of IU football lore.The 1967 Rose Bowl JourneyBill shares fascinating details about how the '67 team learned of their Rose Bowl invitation—John Pont called Harold Morrow around 7:30 PM after the Purdue victory.The hosts discuss the historic irony that had the Big Ten started sending teams to the Rose Bowl in 1945 instead of 1946, Indiana would've been first rather than last. Bill reveals that IU sent 35 charter jets to Pasadena, the largest airplane migration of any school that year, and recounts how Hoosiers literally founded Pasadena in 1874 as "the Indiana Colony" before T.B. Elliott renamed it with a Chippewa word meaning "Valley Between the Hills."OJ Simpson, USC, and What Could Have BeenThe conversation turns to the Rose Bowl matchup against USC's dominant team featuring OJ Simpson and Ron Yary. Bill shares player accounts that Simpson was so fierce he bent face masks while being tackled, though multiple players insist OJ didn't actually cross the goal line on the second touchdown. The 14-3 final score was respectable against what Bill calls one of the best teams in the nation—USC had demolished top-five teams Notre Dame and Texas that season, making IU's performance far less embarrassing than the score might suggest.Deep Cuts: The 1945 Team and EisenhowerThe trio uncovers a remarkable piece of history: in 1945, Army wanted to play undefeated Indiana to determine the national champion, but Supreme Commander Dwight Eisenhower refused to let the game happen.Bill discusses his definitive book on the '45 team and shares memories of George Taliaferro, who signed a book for him "To Murph" at a 2007 homecoming signing, recounting Taliaferro's profound impact on both IU and civil rights.Herman Wells and the NCAA Probation EraThe conversation takes a serious turn as Bill explains the Phil Dickens era and NCAA probation. Dr. Robert Mizon once corrected Bill's understanding: Dickens had proof that Purdue, Michigan, and Ohio State were doing the same recruiting violations but Herman Wells refused to expose them, throwing away the evidence and insisting IU follow the rules regardless of others.Bob shares personal stories of Wells' presence and character, including how Wells integrated Bloomington restaurants in the late 1940s by threatening to make the Gables off-limits to all students if George Taliaferro couldn't eat there.1968 Robbery at PurdueBill recounts the controversial 1968 game at West Lafayette where Purdue was given a first down after officials measured twice, moving the chains between measurements to give Purdue the yardage they needed—what Bob diplomatically calls "recalibration" but Bill calls what it is: cheating.This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth welcome IU historian and author Bill Murphy for a deep dive into the legendary 1967 IU football season - the "Cardiac Kids" who gave fans heart attacks every Saturday on their way to the Rose Bowl.Bill's Personal IU JourneyBill Murphy shares unforgettable stories from his youth as an IU superfan in the 1960s, including some decisions that seemed perfectly reasonable at the time. There's the 11-year-old refusing to wear his coat at halftime (mom got blamed for the loss), the 14-year-old challenging Bubba Smith to a fight outside the locker room, and the simple joy of $1 knothole tickets at a Memorial Stadium that looked completely different than it does today.Memorial Stadium and Old BloomingtonThe evolution of Memorial Stadium from its 1960 opening through the temporary bleachers era, plus what Bloomington looked like before it became a modern college town. The stadium was built to double capacity and prove IU was "a Big Ten team," while married student housing trailers sat where the south end zone parking is now. TV games were rare - maybe one per year if you were lucky - so most fans relied on radio broadcasts with Max Schumacher.John Pont's Revolutionary OffenseHow Pont's innovative system featuring dual-threat quarterbacks and remarkable player freedom created one of the most entertaining teams in IU history. Harry Gonso at 5'9" ran the option and rolled out to see over linemen, while John Isenbarger's notorious fake punts got him benched mid-game against Michigan - only to be brought back to score the winning touchdown after Gonso pleaded his case. "Punt, John, Punt!" became the rallying cry, and Terry Cole even predicted his own star performance the night before the Purdue game.The Cardiac Kids: Nine Games, Nine Near-Heart AttacksBill walks through a season where every game came down to the wire, featuring comebacks, fake punts gone wrong (and right), and a fumble on the 4-yard line that saved the season.Down 10-0 to Kentucky, scored twice in the 4th quarter (one called back, scored again anyway)Michigan: Blew 20-0 lead, Isenbarger benched for fake punt, brought back to score winning TDPurdue: Boilermakers on IU 4-yard line, 19-14, roses on the line - then the fumbleOnly blowout all season? Arizona at 42-7The 63-yard punt that sealed the Bucket Game and sent IU to PasadenaThe Forgotten 1945 Championship TeamA brief detour into the team that might deserve a share of a national title, featuring future MLB and NFL Hall of Famers returning straight from World War II. Bo McMillan had players hitchhiking from Camp Atterbury with discharge papers to make the season, and famously soaked footballs in hotel bathtubs the night before rain games. With Ted Kluszewski, Pete Pihos, and George Taliaferro on one roster, Galen Klaviyo thinks they deserve co-national champion recognition.Part 2 will cover the Rose Bowl game itself and the Branch McCracken basketball transition.On the mics: Bob Moats, Mike Wiemuth, and Bill MurphyThis episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats, Mike Wiemuth, and special guest Josh Burton from Everything College Basketball reunite to break down the rekindled border wars between Indiana, Kentucky, and Louisville as the three programs meet over consecutive Saturdays in December.Growing Up in Basketball CountryThe guys open with personal stories about how geography and family shaped their allegiances in the heartland of college hoops. Josh Burton shares his journey from a Kentucky-loving kid playing College Slam on Sega Genesis while his IU-fan dad looked on, to becoming one of the voices of Everything College Basketball.Josh's dad from Kentucky roots, moved to Indiana, raised UK fansThe "ugly girlfriend" Brian Evans comparisons at the Boys and Girls ClubGeography matters: South of I-64 = Kentucky rival, North = Purdue rivalEconomic migration brought Kentucky fans north decades agoThe Golden Age of the RivalryA walk down memory lane to when these matchups defined college basketball in the Midwest, featuring 50-50 splits at the Hoosier Dome and Freedom Hall that felt more like college football atmosphere.The Dome and Freedom Hall rotating neutral sites with perfect 50-50 ticket splitsBob Knight's late entrances causing entire stadiums to erupt (only 2% could see him)Mike Davis's 2002 incident liquidating 35% of his chip stack in one momentFreedom Hall's designated smoking room and nightmare parking lotThe 2012 Sweet Sixteen in Atlanta: IU-UK reunion on the way to UK's titleThe Modern Coaches: New Chapter, Same SynchronicityAll three programs now feature modern, uptempo coaches running similar five-out systems after years of divergent philosophies. The synchronicity creates potential for recruiting battles and on-court drama not seen since the mid-eighties.Kenny Payne: Possibly the worst major hire in 30 years (lost exhibition games to start)Pat Kelsey's beautiful flare screen offense at Louisville proving doubters wrongMark Pope's year-one home run at Kentucky vs. year-two injury crisisLamar Wilkerson recruitment: DeVries beats Pope for the elite shooter UK desperately needsFirst time since mid-eighties all three programs are nationally relevant togetherBreaking Down IU vs. LouisvilleThe hosts dissect Saturday's Indianapolis matchup with tactical depth, focusing on Louisville's 36 three-point attempts per game and IU's rebounding challenges.Sananda Fru as the X-factor: relentless rebounder who gets all his points within three feetWhy this is a Sam Alexis day, not Reed Bailey dayMikel Brown vs. Conerway/Enright: Can IU frustrate the talented but sometimes immature freshman?Long rebounds from 36 three-point attempts require boxing out 3-4 feet beyond the rimFoul trouble could doom IU's seven-man rotation against Louisville's 10-deep benchKentucky's Crisis and the UK-IU PreviewJosh Burton provides honest analysis of Kentucky's early-season struggles, from the Louisville loss to getting boat-raced by Michigan State and North Carolina, while explaining why Pope isn't on the hot seat despite fan outrage.Three marquee losses in three different ways: quit when opponents throw haymakersThe connectivity problem: Do these players even like each other?How injuries have devastated Pope's shooting-based systemWhy 50% of Big Blue Nation needs to "shut the hell up" on TwitterStill 15th in KenPom at 5-3 with incredibly difficult scheduleThe weekend ahead: IU-Louisville at 2:15pm in Indianapolis, followed by IU-Ohio State Big Ten Championship at 8:17pm - potentially the craziest IU sports weekend ever.On the mics: Bob Moats, Mike Wiemuth, and Josh Burton (Everything College Basketball)This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth break down how player compensation is forcing coaches and programs to think like Billy Beane, analyzing roster construction through the lens of buying wins instead of just buying players.IU's Hot Start & The Omar Cooper ParallelThe guys open celebrating IU's 4-0 start under Darian DeVries while drawing parallels between miracle plays in football and basketball. Finding ways to win isn't just about spectacular moments—it's about putting yourself in position through smart aggregation of talent and data.• Omar Cooper's impossible catch as a "games of inches" lesson• IU rising in metrics by beating predictors• Conerway's passing, Wilkerson's elite shooting on display• Penn State fans still bewildered in grocery storesThe Moneyball Framework for College BasketballMike and Bob lay out how the classic "Moneyball" approach translates to today's NIL-driven college basketball landscape, where buying wins through buying points is the new reality.• The key quote: "Your goal shouldn't be to buy players. Your goal should be to buy wins."• One-seed teams need roughly 540+ point margin over opponents for the season• Box Plus Minus (BPM) as the "on-base percentage" of basketball• IU's last 500+ point variance seasons: 2013, 1993, 1992, 1990Finding Undervalued TalentThe hosts identify the statistical thresholds and player types that offer the best return on investment in the portal and recruiting landscape.• Players with 5.0+ BPM at mid-majors show "stickiness" when jumping to Power Five• Elite one-seed starters average 8.7 BPM (roughly Yogi Ferrell level or better)• 85% of one-seed starters have 6.0+ BPM• The "Lance Jones bump" - finding best player on mediocre team who can elevate• Target the Mountain West, A-10, and top mid-majors for 5+ BPM playersThe Money Problem: Who's Overpaying?Bob and Mike examine which programs are spending wisely versus which are trapped by their own wealth, using real scenarios to show how compensation complicates roster building.• Example: $3M five-star with 3.0 BPM vs. $1.7M A-10 POY with 6.8 BPM• The "hammer looking for nails" problem when you have too much money• Ohio State's Anthony Thompson situation: Overspend or necessary premium?• Why 50% of one-seed starters now come from the portal• BYU reportedly paying AJ Dybantsa $5-7M - only 3-5 schools can competeThe New Three-Dimensional RealityThe compensation era adds a third dimension to roster construction that constrains even wealthy programs and creates new strategic challenges.• Pre-NIL: Two-dimensional (program fit + player development)• Post-NIL: Three-dimensional (add budget constraints)• Top NIL programs creating their own pressure traps• Market correction concerns: "Is that guy still worth $7M after a 25% correction?"• Underground economy going public usually lowers prices—this did the oppositeComing up: A rivalry show with Everything College Basketball's Josh and Peyton Burton (UK and UL fans), plus an extended film room session with Tony Adragna and Brian Tonsoni breaking down DeVries' system.This episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth assess which college basketball coaches are playing with house money and which are one bad loss away from the unemployment line in today's volatile college hoops landscape.IU's Dominant DebutThe Hoosiers opened the Darian DeVries era with a statement win, completely eliminating mid-range jumpers in favor of modern offense. Bob breaks down film showing the conceptual principles that make this system fundamentally different from the past decade.• Zero mid-range jumpers: the long two is officially dead at IU• Tucker DeVries diving into opponent's bench, Conway's elite passing• Rose 9 spots in KenPom after demolishing Alabama A&MThe Chip Stack FrameworkBob and Mike introduce their coaching evaluation model that replaces the outdated "four-year plan." In the portal era, coaches are playing Texas Hold'em, not building dynasties.• Why the 4-year grace period is dead - it's all-in poker now• The five tiers of success and where programs expect to be• The "Earl Bruce Syndrome" - stuck at 20 wins with no upsideCoaches in Serious DangerFour high-profile coaches face make-or-break seasons with dwindling chip stacks. From Carolina to Rutgers to Kansas State, these are the hot seats getting hotter by the day.• Hubert Davis at UNC: From Final Four to 15-20, lost key transfers• Steve Pikiell at Rutgers: The five-star experiment backfired badly• Jerome Tang at Kansas State: Can't recapture year-one magic• John Calipari at Arkansas: The perpetual talent churn continuesOn Thin Ice & High StakesThe guys examine coaches ranging from Butler's Thad Matta (stabilization hire gone stale) to Vanderbilt's Mark Byington (skipping levels on the way up). Plus, why football budgets are now eating basketball money at dual-sport schools.• Micah Shrewsbury's boring Notre Dame after Penn State's offensive genius• Porter Moser trapped in the Earl Bruce 20-win zone• Mark Byington's high-risk, high-reward Vanderbilt entertainment• Why midseason firings are the new normalComing up: A Moneyball conversation about roster construction in the NIL era and a potential IU-Kentucky-Louisville preview with Everything College Basketball.On the mics: Bob Moats and Mike WiemuthThis episode brought to you by the Back Home Network and Homefield Apparel.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth are back to preview the 2025-26 college basketball season, diving deep into IU's transformed roster under first-year coach Darian DeVries and analyzing the landscape of college hoops in the NIL era. Even with football still riding high in Bloomington, it's time to turn attention to the hardwood.Segment 1: The Big Money ConversationThe hosts discuss the seismic shifts in recruiting and compensation:Cignetti's $3 million raise and IU football's impact on the athletic departmentOhio State reportedly paying Anthony Thompson $3+ million while their head coach makes $2.5 millionWhy IU's "whiff" on Thompson was actually smart strategyThe psychology of the hot seat driving desperate roster decisionsSegment 2: Indiana Basketball Deep Dive - The DeVries SystemBob and Mike break down what makes DeVries' approach fundamentally different:Offensive EvolutionPick-and-roll revolution with multiple skilled ball handlers creating unpredictabilityScreener deception making the screener a weapon againThe passing upgrade: Two players with 30%+ assist rates (first time in 15 years)Conceptual principles vs. rigid sets from the past decadeThe Defense QuestionWest Virginia's top-20 defense proves DeVries can scheme effectivelyTucker DeVries as a "free safety" goading turnoversWhy size concerns about IU's bigs might be overblownRoster ConstructionExperience over elite talent: The sweet spot model in actionTeam chemistry from players who've already played togetherTranslatable skills from mid-majors to high-majorsSegment 3: Big Ten and National LandscapePurdue: Highest floor in the country but ceiling questions remain with Braden Smith's penetration limitationsHouston: Kelvin Sampson's shocking three five-star haul after landing just two in 17 yearsMichigan: Portal royalty additions but can Elliot Cadeau finally live up to his potential?Kentucky & Louisville: Pope's spending spree vs. Pat Kelsey's three-point shooting arsenal that could set recordsIllinois: "The Belgrade of the Corn Belt" with multiple Balkan players including both Visic brothersIowa & Minnesota: The Battle of the Drake Boys - seven former Drake players split between IU and Iowa as the Big Ten moves away from traditional Painter/Izzo/Bo Ryan modelsSegment 4: The Clarity Problem - NIL Era QuestionsBig schools now poaching from each other (70% to 30% flip in three years)The $12-15 million championship roster questionSweet spot vs. superstar models after Florida's unconventional title runEconomic limits forcing strategic choices even at major programsBob and Mike promise more Moneyball conversations about roster construction, an upcoming chat with author William Murphy about IU basketball history, and continued analysis as DeVries' system meets Big Ten competition.On the mics: Bob Moats and Mike WiemuthThis episode brought to you by the Back Home Network. Check out all BHN content on YouTube and backhomenetwork.com.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

X's and Joe's Episode 40: Data vs Drama - A View of Modern RecruitingBob Moats and Mike Wiemuth welcome special guest Stephen Ragsdale, creator of IURecruiting.com, for a deep dive into how data-driven analysis can cut through the emotional chaos of following college basketball recruiting.Meet Stephen Ragsdale and IURecruiting.com[00:00-17:00]Stephen introduces himself as a third-generation IU fan who turned his Excel spreadsheet tracking into a comprehensive recruiting website. His journey from casual follower to creator of IURecruiting.com stemmed from wanting better tools to understand the recruiting process. The conversation touches on early season optimism around IU basketball, with Trent Sisley's viral shot from above Five Guys on Kirkwood symbolizing a new era of offensive philosophy under Darren DeVries.The Recruiting Bingo Card[17:00-30:00]Mike unveils his famous "Recruiting Miss Bingo Card" - a collection of predictable fan responses that appear on message boards after every recruiting loss. Classics include "We don't want him anyway," "This just proves we don't cheat," and "I only want kids who want to play for IU." The group discusses how these responses transcend fanbases, with Stephen noting Purdue fans' fixation on the cheating angle and Notre Dame supporters emphasizing academic standards. The card highlights how fans often rationalize losses by suggesting the coach nearly made a catastrophic mistake, but thankfully the recruit had the sense to go elsewhere.The Recruiting Funnel Framework[30:00-45:00]Mike introduces the corporate HR recruiting funnel model adapted for college basketball. Using Kansas's 2019 recruitment of Jalen Wilson as a case study, he demonstrates how successful programs move from many offers (10) to fewer official visits (3) to one commitment. The concept of "traction" becomes crucial - can you get elite kids interested enough to visit? Stephen shares how this framework was eye-opening for him, shifting his perspective from Mike Woodson's "fall in love with one target" approach to understanding roster building as a numbers game requiring multiple irons in the fire.IURecruiting.com Deep Dive[45:00-75:00]Stephen walks through his website's functionality, showing how it tracks offers, visits, and commitments across multiple recruiting classes and positions. The tool includes funnel comparisons with Kentucky, Kansas, and Arkansas - three programs with distinctly different recruiting philosophies. Key insights emerge about IU's 2026 recruiting:• Strong conversion rates at center position (3 visits from 6 offers)• Limited point guard targeting mirroring industry-wide trends toward portal guards• Critical Anthony Thompson recruitment coming down to IU vs Ohio State• The site reveals patterns that individual recruit tracking missesThe discussion highlights how Bill Self casts the widest net with offers while someone like Coach K was more selective, and how understanding these different approaches helps contextualize IU's strategy.The Modern Recruiting Landscape[75:00-End]The group examines how recruiting has fundamentally changed with the portal era. Key observations:• Elite programs like Florida, Louisville, and Michigan now build rosters with 1-2 elite high school players and multiple high-end portal transfers• Point guard positions especially skew toward experienced portal additions rather than 18-year-old freshmen• International recruiting (IU's two Yugoslav players) represents another talent stream• The "win first, then recruit" fallacy gets debunked - you need elite talent to win, not vice versaMike provides critical context about the Moneyball aspect of NIL: five-star freshmen rarely saturate winning metrics like Box Plus Minus. Only four five-stars made the top 50 nationally in BPM last season (Cooper Flagg, Khaman Maluach, Kon Knueppel, and VJ Edgecombe). The sweet spot kids and elite transfers dominate those leaderboards, suggesting programs should be more strategic about where they invest NIL dollars.The episode concludes with cautious optimism about DeVries's early recruiting indicators and why the Anthony Thompson recruitment looms as a key test.On the mics: Bob Moats, Mike Wiemuth, and special guest Stephen RagsdaleSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

As IU football has reached heights not seen in generations, so too has the mood of the IU fanbase. Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth sit down with Ryan Phillips to discuss the change in vibes experienced by fans of the long suffering Hoosier program.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

IU football just went from “pinch me” to “prove it.” Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth sit down with Galen Clavio to unpack the Hoosiers’ rapid rise—how it happened, what it means, and how a long-suffering fanbase should handle success. Then we zoom out: the decades-old cultural tug-of-war between the North and South and how it fuels the Big Ten vs. SEC battle for the soul of college football.What you’ll hear“Was it real?”—reliving last season and why fans should savor this run, not fear it. How IU’s surge compressed the “honeymoon” timeline and turbocharged recruiting in Year 2. The North vs. South culture clash: narratives, talent pipelines, and why media/TV incentives shape the conversation. Chapters (approx.)00:00 Cold open11:30 “Was it real?” + savoring the moment23:45 Recruiting & the accelerated timeline49:50 Big Ten vs. SEC culture war1:19:05 TV money, media narratives, and power dynamicsAbout the showHosted by Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth, X’s & Joe’s blends data, history, and a little Hoosier heart. Today’s guest: Galen Clavio.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth examine the beloved mythology of in-state recruiting, exploring whether building championship teams with local talent is still viable in modern college basketball.Puerto Rico Recap & Recruiting Updates[00:00-15:00]Bob and Mike discuss IU's successful exhibition trip to Puerto Rico, highlighting impressive performances and what the games revealed about the team's offensive potential. They also touch on the busy recruiting landscape, upcoming visits, and how the new coaching staff is filling their recruiting pipeline with diverse targets across multiple positions.The Dorothy Complex[15:00-30:00]Using "The Wizard of Oz" as a framework, Bob and Mike dive into the mythology surrounding in-state recruiting. They identify three distinct versions of the argument:The extreme position: Load up on as many in-state kids as possibleThe moderate approach: Swap in a few three-star locals at the marginsThe observational stance: Frustration over missing elite in-state prospectsThe discussion explores whether kids even want to stay home anymore, given changing family backgrounds and transplant populations.The Numbers Game[30:00-45:00]Mike presents data showing Indiana's changing talent production compared to basketball hotbeds like Georgia and Texas. Key revelations include how Indiana now produces only 2-3 top 100 players annually versus seven in peak years, and the geographic shift of elite talent toward the South and Southwest. The conversation covers population migration, infrastructure changes, and why the "inexhaustible pool" theory no longer holds.Modern Coaching Realities[45:00-60:00]Bob examines what coaches actually consider when balancing in-state versus national recruiting, using Matt Painter's Purdue model as a case study. Topics include:System-based recruiting versus talent acquisitionThe "who can you get" factor in roster constructionHow the transfer portal changes long-term planningWhy relationships with local coaches still matterChampionship Blueprints[60:00-75:00]Analysis of national championship rosters reveals that 85% of starters over the past 25 years were from out-of-state. Even programs in talent-rich areas like Virginia had zero in-state starters on their title team. The discussion examines whether building around local talent is mathematically feasible for championship contention.Indiana's Path Forward[75:00-End]Bob and Mike conclude with strategies for maintaining in-state connections while pursuing elite talent nationally. Topics include using walk-on programs strategically, staying visible in local communities, and why the current coaching staff's diverse recruiting approach makes sense for IU's championship aspirations.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth are joined by Scott Caulfield of Crimson Cast to examine the Big Ten's championship drought, exploring why the conference has failed to produce an NCAA basketball champion since Michigan in 1989.Main TopicsScott's Origin Story & Bloomington Memories[00:00-15:00]Scott shares his unlikely journey from New York City to small-town Bloomington and the formative experiences of growing up around IU's campus. Stories include legendary arcade haunts, meeting Galen at the campus radio station, and surviving Bob Knight's actual college class - complete with unforgettable encounters that reveal Knight's intimidating presence up close.One Shining Moment Obsession[15:00-30:00]Scott reveals his decades-long ritual of recording and analyzing every One Shining Moment video since the early 1990s. The conversation explores:• Why this montage is unique in all of sports• How production values have evolved over the years• What the footage reveals about which conferences actually matter in March• The painful reality of Big Ten representation in recent yearsThe Numbers Don't Lie[30:00-45:00]A data deep-dive into Big Ten tournament performance since 1987 reveals a troubling pattern of near-misses and missed opportunities. The discussion examines whether the conference's multiple championship game appearances represent bad luck or something more systemic about Big Ten basketball.Coaching & Conference Leadership[45:00-60:00]Questions about the Big Ten's coaching hierarchy and whether the conference has the leadership to compete with other major conferences. Topics include:• Tom Izzo's role as unofficial conference dean• Resistance to modern changes like NIL and transfer portal• How other conferences are embracing younger, more adaptable coaches• Whether the Big Ten needs a changing of the guardThe Talent Gap[60:00-75:00]Eye-opening recruiting data reveals stark differences between Big Ten rosters and championship-caliber teams from other conferences. The analysis covers geographic talent distribution, position-specific recruiting challenges, and why the conference continues to lose homegrown stars to programs outside the Midwest.Indiana's Championship Window[75:00-End]Scott makes the case for why Indiana might be uniquely positioned to break the Big Ten's championship drought. The conversation covers the program's potential advantages in the modern college basketball landscape and whether IU can finally give Big Ten fans something to celebrate in One Shining Moment.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth field listener questions on a range of sports and non-sports topics to fill the summer dead period in college basketball, covering everything from bison merchandise to movie recommendations.Main TopicsSummer Check-ins & Countdown Clock[00:00-15:00]Bob and Mike catch up on summer travels - Bennett's first beach trip and chocolate-fueled Hershey Park adventures. Mike reveals they're officially under 30 days until college football kickoff. They also plug Perry Metz's YouTube channel featuring digitized classic media interviews from the 70s and 80s.Bison Merchandise & Black Uniform Debate[15:00-25:00]Questions about the bison costume unveiling (August 30th against Old Dominion) and Homefield Apparel's early merchandise drop. The conversation shifts to IU's relationship with black uniforms, including memories of the infamous 1997 disaster against Kentucky and why black works for both traditionalists and recruits.Tony's Coaching Questions[25:00-45:00]Jokes about Tony Adragna’s "massive NIL resources" at Greenwood Christian Academy lead to discussions about championship expectations. Questions about whether recruits automatically get ranking boosts after committing to major programs spark analysis of causation vs. correlation in recruiting rankings.IU Roster Deep Dive[45:00-65:00]Detailed breakdown of how IU's wing rotation might work with multiple versatile players. Discussion covers why the program didn't pursue another traditional center more aggressively, examining DeVries' offensive philosophy and the constraints of roster building in the portal era.Basketball Philosophy Questions[65:00-85:00]Debates over NCAA tournament expansion and whether Bob Knight's motion offense could work in the modern game. Topics include shot clock constraints, the evolution of dribble penetration, and how defensive adjustments have changed offensive spacing.Movies & Random Fun[85:00-End]The episode lightens up with Bob and Mike's top 10 films since 2000, discussions of timeless movies, and personal questions about technology predictions. Things get silly with dream pet choices - Bob wants a monkey butler while Mike strategically picks a red panda to score marital points.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth dive deep into the shadowy world of negative recruiting in college basketball, exploring the tactics, effectiveness, and ethics of programs steering players away from rival schools.Main TopicsSports Dead Period & Pacers Reflection[00:00-15:00]Bob and Mike discuss the dreaded summer sports lull and reflect on the Indiana Pacers' surprising playoff run. They examine the team's selfless ball movement, Tyrese Haliburton's devastating injury, and what the season meant for bringing fans back to NBA basketball after years away.Negative Recruiting Parallels to Politics[15:00-25:00]Drawing parallels to political campaigning, Bob and Mike establish how negative recruiting works as a persuasion contest. They discuss:Key differences between political ads and recruiting (multiple "candidates," shadow operations)The concept of "kamikaze" recruiting to prevent rivals from landing recruitsStrategic timing of when to go negative in recruitment battlesThe Intelligence Game[25:00-35:00]The conversation turns to how programs gather intelligence on recruits and families. Topics include:Assistant coaches' extensive networks and relationship-buildingUnderstanding family dynamics and decision-makersThe role of third-party surrogates like AAU coachesHow specific intel can get (down to restaurant preferences)Variables & Vulnerabilities[35:00-45:00]Using a comprehensive list of recruiting factors, they explore how different variables create opportunities for negative recruiting. The discussion covers playing time, facilities, academics, party scene, geography, and more, emphasizing how each recruit's priorities differ dramatically.The Scott Drew vs. Bob Knight Story[45:00-55:00]Bob and Mike recount the legendary bathroom confrontation where Bob Knight cornered Scott Drew over negative recruiting materials. This story illustrates the tensions between established programs and upstart challengers trying to disrupt the recruiting landscape.Player Compensation Era & IU's Fresh Start[55:00-End]The discussion shifts to how NIL has changed recruiting dynamics and examines IU's situation under the new coaching staff. They analyze recent comments about fan expectations and how confident leadership can address external criticism.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth are joined by Dr. Galen Clavio and former IU Student Body President Cooper Tinsley to explore how the bison mascot made its return to Indiana University.A Historic Recording Setup[00:00-05:00]A first for the show - recording with Cooper calling in from Paris during his study abroad. Cooper served as IU's 77th Student Body President after transferring from Alabama, where he only lasted one semester before realizing IU was where he belonged.Cooper's Path to Student Leadership[05:00-15:00]Cooper walked through his journey from Alabama transfer to student government leader, explaining how communication (or lack thereof) was often the biggest challenge in student government. His presidency was notably successful with unusually good cooperation between the executive and congressional branches.How the Bison Movement Started[15:00-25:00]The perfect storm began in fall 2024 when IU football's incredible season created unprecedented campus unity. Cooper had a conversation with Athletics Director Scott Dolson about how football was bringing students together like nothing had in years. Learning that the original bison mascot came from student government action in the 1960s, Cooper decided to follow that historical playbook.Galen's Years-Long Campaign[25:00-35:00]Galen explained how multiple groups had been working toward this goal independently:Homefield Apparel's bison merchandise starting around 2015-2016Professor Paul Gutar's grassroots campaign with merchandiseGalen's "Bring Back the Bison" advocacy on Crimson CastAthletics department's growing interestAll these efforts converged at exactly the right time.The Student Government Battle[35:00-45:00]What Cooper thought would be a quick, fun vote turned into a three-hour debate lasting until midnight. The main opposition centered around fears of bringing back the original 1960s costume, which everyone agreed was genuinely terrifying. Cooper's brilliant move: posting an Instagram poll during the meeting that got 750+ responses in three minutes, with 70-80% student support.Making the Case for Skeptics[45:00-55:00]Galen laid out the three-part argument for the bison:Historical connection to Indiana (bison territory, Buffalo Trace, state seal)Gives the "Hoosier" name a visual identity it's always lackedCommercial necessity - most successful college programs have mascotsThe Bigger Picture[55:00-End]Cooper shared how Alabama integrated their mascot into the entire university experience, not just sports.The group discussed how the bison could serve multiple generations - from young kids meeting the mascot to alumni having a consistent symbol to rally around. Galen reflected that if contributing to bringing back the bison is his main legacy at IU, he'd be satisfied with that impact. And much more …See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob Moats and Mike Wiemuth examine how the transfer portal and NIL have fundamentally altered the landscape for mid-major teams and their ability to pull off NCAA tournament upsets.[0:00-5:00] Introduction & Producer WelcomeIntroduction of new producer William McDermottDiscussion of recent Indy 500 raceSetup for main topic on March Madness becoming "less mad"[5:00-15:00] The Old Formula for Mid-Major UpsetsAnalysis of Mercer's 2014 upset victory over Duke as the archetypal exampleTwo key historical advantages identified:Experience advantage: Mercer's starting five had 20 years combined college experience vs Duke's 10 yearsRoster continuity: Four of Mercer's starters played together since 2012 (90+ games as a unit) vs Duke's 14 games togetherHistorical pattern of upsets featuring experienced, cohesive mid-major teams against talent-heavy but inexperienced major programs[15:00-30:00] Transfer Portal's Devastating Impact on Mid-MajorsStark statistics: 80% of quality mid-major players (starters averaging 10+ PPG) now transfer upConference-by-conference breakdown:Southern Conference: Only 1 of 11 top returning players stayingMissouri Valley Conference: Just 3 of 15 top players returning (80% bleed rate)The "dual challenge": Mid-majors lose their best players while also losing potential replacements to major programs[30:00-40:00] The New Minor League RealityMid-majors now function as a development system for power conferencesPower conference coaches no longer need to gamble on unproven recruitsCan simply observe and poach players who prove themselves at lower levels[40:00-50:00] Alternative Models for Future Success"Ocean's Eleven" approach: Assembling rosters from multiple transfer sources (Indiana State 2024 example)Coach-led transfers: Bringing entire successful programs up levels (Ben McCollum at Drake example)Systematic advantages through coaching and scheme rather than talent accumulation[50:00-55:00] Looking Forward & Market AdaptationRecognition that upsets will become increasingly rareAlternative postseason opportunities like NIT may gain importanceCollege basketball still in flux with final competitive equilibrium yet to be establishedThe episode ultimately suggests that while the magic of March may be diminishing, mid-major programs that can adapt to this new reality may still find ways to compete—just not in the same David vs. Goliath fashion that made college basketball's greatest upsets so memorable.Resources:George Martin : https://youtu.be/h3AY1CVUgJw?si=JQRdg3o2zh7bQkzMDelta force theme Indy 500: https://youtu.be/CSzgwCql_mo?si=X8_eZQgvLUNhRwEDSam Posey: https://youtu.be/8I7gKuoEMCM?si=1sXoeRtSeZh0tfLgBoom Baby: https://youtu.be/xRXScx4gsYk?si=zJkZ17XDiwCKuwZtWonder Indiana: https://blog.library.in.gov/wander-indiana-let-your-wanderin-spirit-come-on-thru/Mercer: https://youtu.be/oNWe8kqBRlg?si=rd-Kj6oW_TncPaUPLehigh: https://youtu.be/06c1eOgZQeo?si=xuptNn-XPkR55hFZOceans 11: https://youtu.be/imm6OR605UI?si=lFwM-60fR4Glp8zMOriginal Oceans 11: https://youtu.be/ppVby97BNiw?si=xqTcDBbfNUbREbIbThe End (Beatles): https://youtu.be/12R4FzIhdoQ?si=HjosVjomRxmIgHqNHer Majesty (Beatles): https://youtu.be/12R4FzIhdoQ?si=EP5GhjVo9e0zeKEiMid Major Donor Article Insights from Top NIL Supporters at the Group of 5 LevelSeed RecordsRecords for every seed in March Madness from 1985 to 2025Mid Major Viability ArticleNo One Mourns the Mid-Majors: Can Mid-Major Schools Survive Under the House v. NCAA Settlement Agreement, or is College Athletics Destined to Downsize? — Kentucky Law JournalSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.