The Digital Access Show

Episode Notes We have met so many wonderful people in the last 18 episodes. After going back and looking at what I have learnt I thought that I would bring the best bits together. I only got up to episode 7. So here is the first episode of Reflections.

Living with disability in a regional area of Australia comes with some extra challenges. From the lack of services to transport life is different to those who live in the city. Jaceen Ross discusses her experiences of living with disability in regional Queensland.

Episode Notes Alyce Carter-Edwards is hearing impaired lady who teaches us about the challenges of being hairing impaired.

Nik Cree has run businesses for many years. His current work involves digital marketing and web development. Nik and Narelle discuss the ways that business and people with disability can work together to improve digital accessibility for everyone.

Ever wondered what is required by employers to be a position to employee people with disability? What does a person with disability need to do to be more employable? What are the needs of each and what steps need to be taken to be more inclusive. Rebbecca Jurkiewicz from Chapter One Disability Employment Services talks everything about disability employment services.

How do people with vision impairment navigate? How do they find the shop or the house or other business? They use maps on their phones just like everyone. However, there are some more apps being released that will assist everyone. these apps are based on way finding techniques. Lucy is the usability design lead for one of these apps.

Episode Notes Laura Garcia and her husband welcomed their baby girl, Eva, into the world 12 years ago. While Eva was a baby she became sick and developed a condition called cortical visual impairment. CVI for short. Eva's eyes work however the illness caused an issue in the cortico-visual area of her brain. So Eva is blind. Eva has been the face of Braille House in Queensland loves reading and playing sport. How does she do it. Assistive technology of course. Hear Laura and Eva's story this week on our podcast.

Episode Notes Amber and her husband, Jed, welcomed a baby boy into the world 3 years ago. His name is Hugo. Hugo is ASD level 3 and non-verbal. The journey that they are on as a family is a long journey with many challenges. Hear about their journey.

Episode Notes Patrick Dillon went for a swim to cool off in the Dawson River. His life changed forever. Listen to Patrick's journey. He talks about the assistive technology tools that give him independence. An awesome chat.

Episode Notes Meryl Evans was born profoundly deaf. She is a professional speaker, and trainer, accessibility marketing consultant and all round nice lady. What is accessibility for Meryl.

Episode Notes Mary Wong started out as a nurse. She is now an published author, business and leadership coach. What lessons did she learn as she went on this journey. What is the way that mary incorporates accessibility into her work.

Episode Notes Ever thought about how the changes in technology have benefited people with disability. the world changes quickly and the benefits can be great. Mark Muscat discusses his journey with vision impairment and how the changes in technology have made a diference in his life. This podcast is powered by Pinecast.

Episode Notes [Music] [Narelle] Hello and welcome to, I think it's episode six of The Digital Access Show. Today's guest is someone I've been wanting to interview for a while. I met her through a networking group called BX and the way Grace tackles life head-on, and with a laugh is just such she's a great person for me to follow in the way she manages life. I'd like to introduce you all to Grace Cameron. Grace is the director and owner of Sunlight Bookkeeping, but I'm going to let Grace tell you a little bit about, Grace and Grace's story. Hi Grace, thanks for being here. [Grace] Hi Narelle, Thank you for having me. [Narelle] As I said, I'm excited to have you here. Grace, can you tell me a little bit about yourself. What you do, what Sunlight Bookkeeping is about? [Grace] Well, I suppose I'll go back a little bit from before that because that helps me start. [Narelle] Yep. [Grace] My first career was actually in landscape architecture. I wanted to be a glamorous designer, but I'm actually not very good at design. So in my career as landscape architecture, I did analysis and budgets and construction contracts and numbers. Then I got meningitis in 2010 and developed POTS. So my POTS means that I spend 20 to 23 hours a day lying down. I'm lying down right now, I have the, the screen above me and the camera above me. [Narelle] Thank you Grace, what is POTS? Can you explain? [Grace] Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome. And it's actually becoming more common and it's more of focus on it because a lot of people with long COVID developed POTS. So there's a, new research happening in it, which hopefully will provide some insights and some benefits soon. But essentially, my body doesn't maintain my blood pressure properly. So we have different things that we can do to increase blood pressure and, but my heart has to compensate. My heart has to work harder to keep blood circulating properly around my body. So if I sit up for too long, I get dizzy and I can't think because my brain isn't getting enough oxygen. [Narelle] Okay. [Grace] So [Narelle] So basically, you lie down on most of the time. [Grace] I lie down most of the time and when it first happened, I spent years mostly on my own in my bedroom bored and isolated and just challenged getting through the basic tasks of caring for myself and my family helping to care for me. And eventually getting adequate supports through State Government Funding and then through the NDIS changed, changed a lot for me and I enabled me to go back and retrain and study. I looked at my skills and my interests. I've had an interest in small business for a long time and from landscape architecture, but creative problem-solving, and numbers and analysis. And so I picked bookkeeping because I could do that incorporate all those things and do it lying down. And I started my business and we launched in February, the 1'st of February last year. So where I've just had a birthday. [Narelle] Happy Birthday! [Grace] Thank you. It's been, it's been a fantastic amazing process because it's changed so much for me. I have, I still spend all my time well most of my time lying down but now I have access to the business community through networking and through my clients and through my team members and all these inspiring people in my life. I'm learning so much about different things and it's just a lot more richness and I feel like so much has opened up for me. [Narelle] So, what was the reason, like at that point when you were sitting in your room by yourself? What was that reason that made you change? Was that you didn't like your life at that time? And you said, well, there's got to be something better. Was it, oops, I've got funding now that I can now change my life and make it better? What was it? What was it, was it family? Thank you. Come on, Grace. [Grace] No. I had, I had, CentreLink had me on disability and said that I couldn't work actually and family saying that I couldn't push myself. That that would be too hard and I shouldn't work. But once I had the funding and the extra support, I think I had that pressure relieved from just keeping myself clean and fed and those fundamental tasks that you have to do. And I wanted challenge. I just wanted something more but also I wanted financial security, a long-term interest in my life. I wanted access to things outside. Yeah, and that I think I've always been a little bit of a workaholic. And I think returning to work was probably a natural kind of choice, yeah, idea for me. Just [Narelle] With your journey, so you've taken it in a year from an idea. [Grace] No. [Narelle] To to a complete business. [Grace] What I No, there was quite a bit of preparation before the launch. [Narelle] Okay, yep. [Grace] So it was February 1st I opened for new clients. And I think for a year and a half before that we had been doing some preparation. I've been, been doing some training in small business and had help from a program that helps, Ignite, that helps people with disability start businesses and we created a business plan and I've had some family-friend clients to kind of practice my systems on. So yes. [Narelle] It's still, in a year you've taken this business quite a long way. I mean, I know there was one conference that you were trying to get me to go to and I was like oh, I don't think I can do this. I don't think I can do this. You've done it. And what was your experience at that conference? Because one of my things is, obviously, when I'm at home, I'm in my own space. I'm very confident. It's very able to manage anything. But take me out of a space that I know and I find it much harder. The systems aren't there. The tools aren't there. What about for you? How did you manage the conference? [Grace] It was a bit of a test. I was only an hour from my home. So I had the backup of someone would come and get me and I had to run away if I needed to, but actually it worked really well. It was a bit of planning that was required. I had an electric wheelchair that reclined and the place I was staying was in wheelchair wheeling distance to the, to the conference center that. And the staff at the conference center were fantastic. I wouldn't. That, that couldn't have been planned, but that's the way it turned out. A woman, she told me that because she's short, she's used to not being able to reach things. And recognized that because I was in a chair, I couldn't reach some of the food at the lunch table. So she met me every day and helped me kind of dish a plate up for lunch. And yeah, she came up to me to suggest that. It wasn't. [Narelle] What other accommodations did you make to enable you to attend the conference? Was there much else? [Grace] I had a bit of communication with BX, it was a BX conference, beforehand about just understanding how it would run, was happening between the rooms so that I had an idea. And it wasn't. There wasn't a lot that I had to do differently. I didn't know how I would go out all day in the wheelchair because I had never tried that before. [Narelle] Yeah. [Grace] I've spent all of the time during the talks lying down in the wheelchair. And I didn't attend all of the conference. But I still was able to do more than I had been able to do before having that wheelchair and [Narelle] What about networking? Were you able to network well at the conference? Did the wheelchair inhibit you in any way from networking? [Grace] I don't think the wheelchair inhibited me. I, some of it was sitting down at tables. So I was the same height as people. I found, I met a lot of people that I had already met online and having that relationship already was really lovely to meet them in person. [Narelle] Yep. [Grace] I didn't spend as much time at the conference for networking. I think a lot of the, the evening things I didn't go to. So I was more interested in testing my capacity to attend something that took longer and listening to the speakers. The speakers were amazing and, but I did spend some time networking. [Narelle] So now you've done a conference like that. Do you think you'ld go again? [Grace] Yeah, I think I would. And I'd be more confident doing it further away from home. I, yeah, not, knowing I've done the trial run, I would be able to do it again. [Narelle] Yeah. Because you have to spend most of your time lying on your back, how do you get your clients? You know, do you still, obviously you're not very mobile. So what's the techniques that you use that would be different? Because you can't go to a lunch. Or [Grace] Well, I do go, I do go to some local networking. [Narelle] Yep. [Grace] I don't, yeah, I have some, some upright times that I call it. And I use that sometimes for local networking. I really wanted to connect in, there's online networking as well. But I really wanted to connect into my local community and meet some people face to face. So I do attend some local events. I'm in Ballina, Northern New South Wales. So we have a local networking group called Byron and Beyond. And they've been really supportive. And I've met some great people through that. But most of my clients I've got through, I suppose, introductions. So either I meet one person at a networking event like you and they introduced me to other people that I then meet digitally. [Narelle] Yeah. [Grace] And, yeah. [Narelle] So what do you do differently with your digital equipment with your computers? Do you use anything much different to what the normal person uses? [Grace] Well, I would have said no, but we were talking before and I realized that actually I do. I have a, a breadboard on my lap with an ergonomic keyboard and a trackball mouse sitting on top of my, that's a serving platter actually. [Narelle] That's Assistive Technology tool isn't it? [Grace] It is. And I actually used the, a matching serving platter to help modify the wheelchair. And I've got screens on monitor arms, which means that they can be positioned in a way that works for me, above me. [Narel

Episode Notes [Music] [Narelle] Hi and welcome to our latest Digital Access Show. Today, I have Brendan Somerville with us. Brendan is working with Spinal Life and his role in Spinal Life is to help employers bring on board people with disability. What you don't know, and you can't see I'll let Brendan tell you himself. However, thanks Brendan, thanks for your time today. [Brendan] Yeah, thank you for the invitation, Narelle. Looking forward to having a chat. [Narelle] Well, I've been looking forward to this one for a while because employing people with disability is a passion of mine. I don't see the barriers, but I know others do. Brendan, tell me a bit about yourself and your role at Spinal Life. [Brendan] Okay, so a little bit about myself is, I'm a Cauca, Caucasian male in, who uses the wheelchair. So, I have a disability of spinal bifida and hydrocephalus, which basically means that I was born with a portion of my lower spine that wasn't formed properly and it caused nerve damage to my spine when I was born. And, therefore, I have difficulty with walking and a whole host of, a lot of things that we won't talk mention here. [Narelle] No, please don't. [Brendan] But, yeah. And, and so yeah, I love going out you know, outdoors camping and I love, you know, advocating for people in terms of the employment side of things, which is why I'm working with Spinal Life Australia at the moment. So last year, I met Narelle doing this same project in the Mortone Bay Region and because we had good results last year, we've been extended to the Sunshine Coast and Wide Bay, now. [Narelle] That was fantastic. [Brendan] Yeah, and so the program has been funded by the Department of Tourism, Innovation and Sport this year. And it's all about mentoring small businesses about how to become more inclusive to their customers with disabilities and also to help those businesses in the tourism industry specifically, on the Sunshine Coast and Wide Bay to think about people with disabilities as additional talent pools when they're struggling to fill their roles. Yeah. [Narelle] What drew you to do this? It's definitely a little bit out of the norm. What, what was it that drew you to do this, Brendan? What attracted you? [Brendan] So personally it was my, my personal experience with long-term unemployment. And then also, one day when I was doing traineeship in business administration, just trying to find a skill set that would give me the broadest opportunity possible. So everybody needs an admin officer. Yeah, and I came across some resumes and I was helping one of the recruitment consultants at a group training organization to shortlist for some apprenticeships. And it just, a lightbulb went off in mind about the way that people were presenting themselves on paper. You know, using qualitative outcomes to demonstrate their value to an employer as opposed to just, you know, words on a piece of paper that say if they're done these certificates and, you know, worked here for this long kind of thing. It was really impressive. And so then, that spurred me on to do a Bachelor's Degree in Human Resource Management. And I was hoping that I could use those skills either as an employee or in a small business operations which I did, to help businesses to become again more inclusive by improving their recruitment practices and opening their minds to the possibility of, you know, the value of employing a person with disability to do roles from entry level admin roles to, you know, management and governance roles. [Narelle] That's actually quite interesting because you started off with talking about the fact that you were long-term unemployed. What were the barriers that you were having? Why, you know, considering that you, you know, you've got education, you've all presented. I must say, I assume that because I can't see. Are you well presented? [Brendan] I'm wearing my uniform, that's for sure. Yes. [Narelle] Fantastic. So, you know what I'm saying, [Brendan] Brushed my hair this morning. [Narelle] Oh jeez, that's even better. That's even better. Did you clean your shoes? [Brendan] Did I clean my shoes? Well, I try to keep them fairly clean, and I mean, I don't really use them. They're, they're on, but they last, they last for a very long time when you're in a wheelchair, so... [Narelle] Yeah, so you have a saving in your budget. There automatically. What were the barriers that you found in terms of getting employment? [Brendan] For me, it was a multifaceted, sorry, multifaceted issue. So, number one, I guess was when I was first starting out, it was my lack of experience. Yeah. I like everywhere. We just needed to be given an opportunity. Number two was, as though I was starting to build my vocational skills, it was the, it was the barriers from the Discibility Employment Services in terms of, you know, they must have had key performance indicators and one of those would have been placements per month. And so their attitude was that they would just place me in you know, any job. [Narelle] Yep. [Brendan] And I said, you know, so my attitude was, that's, you know, that's great, you know, a job is a job. And you know, it's the greatest form of welfare, according to some people, best form of welfare is a job. But, but I said, but that's not really going to keep me stimulated and motivated, you know, I mean, I might like it for you know, maybe a couple of months, but then after that, it's going to be the same thing day in and day out. And I like variety. That's just who I am. Which is why this role is perfect for me because it's a mix of everything from admin to customer service, to coaching to facilitating and training and networking and more fun. So thanks. [Narelle] You made an interesting. You made an interesting comment there about the Disability Employment Services that when, you're aware I have two sons that are autistic. And I know, particularly with the one of them that got picked up by Disability Employment Services, it was just shoving into a job. And even if it wasn't an appropriate job for him, it was shove him into that job. And there was one job that he was put in, we actually told him to walk out. Because he couldn't cope. He was, he was bullied quite, but actually bullied very badly. And I was on the verge of saying to my husband, I need you to drive up there and just get him out of it. Just go in, get him out, Mark, because it's not safe for our son. And I think that the lad was about 19 at the time. And it was really just stressful for him. And the lack of awareness by the company, the lack of awareness by the people working in the company about the effects. And it's still affecting Nick today. So, what are the differences that you encourage employers to do to take on a person with a disability? [Brendan] Well, so the first thing is, is that I talk to them about, you know, you know, what the research says about employing people with disabilities. So, there is evidence out there that says that employing people with disability is, makes that, so is a great economic decision for a business, because they have, they're more loyal. Well, of course, they are retained for longer. They have on average less sick days. These people are more generally innovative and great at problem solving, because they have to do that as part of their everyday lives to navigate obstacles in their community. And yeah, so, so that's the first thing that I you know, go to them about. And then we start talking about, you know, the structural stuff of their business. So, you know, what policies and procedures do you have in place? What practices do you have in place in terms of inclusive recruitment and on boardings skills? And, you know, what, what programs do you have in place? Once you've onboarded the person with disability to help them remain engaged and be able to connect with the supports that they may need if they are requesting reasonable adjustments. You know, and you know, they're not always going to be requesting reasonable adjustments, but in some cases they may. And in most cases, those reasonable adjustments are very cost effective. And you may also be able to claim reimbursement for those reasonable adjustments through JobAccess as well. [Narelle] So, and how did it help? Did you know, other employers that you're approaching their kind of yeah, great, let's do it? Or are they very hesitant? Or do you get a real mix? [Brendan] I get a definitely get a real mix. And I do find that it's the people who have had some form of experience with disability, who are more engaged and interested as opposed to the people who have had no experience at all. [Narelle] Yep. [Brendan] And those people who have no experience at all are still willing to try. But there's a lot more coaching involved. Yeah. [Narelle] And do you find that when you get the person in there, obviously you would be supporting the individual that's working for them with disability as well. Do you find it becomes nine times out of ten a great outcome? [Brendan] So, one thing I will say is that this is a service for the business, it's not generally for the job seeker [Narelle] Oh, okay, yep. [Brendan] I do have interactions with job seekers from time to time, but the main focus is on mentoring businesses. Sorry, I, I've forgot the second part of your question. [Narelle] Do you find that you get quite a good result for the business? [Brendan] All right. Yes. Okay. So, yes, sustainable employment outcomes, definitely. So, so, last year, we managed to place or connect 14 job seekers with disabilities. [Narelle] Yep. [Brendan] And I've checked in with those businesses and those people are still employed. So, yeah, and they, and they were in industries like you know, retail, hospitality, IT. Yeah. A bit of tourism. Yeah. [Narelle] So, what type of changes were required for, you know, any of the businesses to employ these people? Were them, was there massive cost involved? Or was it just something t

Episode Notes [Music] [Narelle] Hi and welcome to our next edition of The Digital Access Show. Today, I want to introduce you to a guy that we've done a bit of work with and we absolutely love working with David, David Oram is from Atomic Web Strategy. David is based in Melbourne and hello David. [David] Hi Narelle, thanks for having me. [Narelle] Well, thanks for coming David. I have actually stuffed up this is the second time we've tape this podcast, because I had a computer problem and you know the second one's never going to be as good as the first. So I apologise, David. David, can you tell us a bit about yourself? What you do? [David] So I've been in IT for over 10 years. Originally, started it out in the search marketing game. We were originally working in partnership with Yahoo at one point and when Yahoo pulled out of Australia, I then moved on to web development and providing those services to clients. Specializing in WordPress. That is the most popular CMS and also great CMS for WCAG accessibility. So we chose to specialize in that area. The services that we mostly provide website maintenance, a design, rebuilding of websites, SEO services and of course accessibility. [Narelle] What is it with WordPress that makes it a good tool for you to use with everything that you're doing? Is, What is the attraction? [David] Well, other than the fact that it's extremely popular, I think it powers over 60% of websites now. It's also that ease of use and the availability of software because it's an open source platform. So there's lots and lots of options for adding functionality to websites. Both free and paid versions of various plugins, wide variety of themes and also some great page builders. Especially, over the last few years the the page builder software has improved dramatically. We first saw, Divi come along which was groundbreaking and then Elementor came along which seems to have overtaken Divi. Which makes it a lot easier, not only for us but also for the end user. thatt means that our clients can now update their own website. Certainly, in terms of page content like text and images, and things like that. Makes it so much easier for them. Whereas in the past with the classic editor, I mean that was quite challenging for them. Supposedly, easy but when they actually try to do it without a technical knowledge, it was yeah, proves to be a little bit too hard and then having to pay for maintenance and simple things like that. [Narellle] So WordPress, you can bring in the SEO quite easily through WordPress as well. All the other things you're talking about, accessibility. It's, it's quite a adaptable tool then is it? [David] Yes, so out of the box. The developers of WordPress have put some thought in clearly to SEO and accessibility uhm, so out of the box, it's pretty close. It's one of the best in terms of meeting those requirements for onsite SEO and accessibility guidelines. [Narelle] What is it that attracts you to building website, designing websites? What is there for you that that makes you say yeah, I want to just keep doing this? What do you love about it? [David] I guess uhm, creative. I really, really enjoy IT. I actually originally started out as an accountant but. [Narelle] You're kidding? [David] Yeah, yeah but then got into IT later on because that was that was the area that I, I really enjoyed. So I went into development and coding. So my creativity is more in that direction rather than in artistic design. [Narelle] Yes. [David] So yeah, I just like, I guess I like building things. [Narelle] How did you get into accessibility then? What, what made you look at accessibility? [David] Well, it's part of SEO. I picked up on that early on doing reports for clients on SEO and noticed that Google was starting to include that now as part of their algorithm. So it was interesting that they put that importance on it. Also, there's a history of blindness, blindness in my family as well so. So I'm aware of the issues there. My grandpa, he was completely blind. He actually went blind from glaucoma before it was a treatable illness and my dad, he also came down with glaucoma. Uh, but uh, they were able to treat it and recover some of the sight, at least in one of his eyes so he was partially blind. [Narelle] Yes. Yeah, it's amazing what you find out about people even though you've known them for a little bit and yeah, that's something I didn't realize with you. So you'd actually, obviously, be very aware of the issues that vision impairment can bring to people accessing websites and digital content. [David] Yeah, that's right. Yeah so my grandpa was involved with Vision Australia. I remember, as a kid, he used to get the the audio cassettes. Books on audio cassette and things like that, so yeah. [Narelle] Yeah, uhm, with accessibility, other than the SEO, what is the importance of it? Yeah, obviously, I'm aware of it. And you're aware of it but can you tell the audience, from your point of view, as the web developer as a the digital marketer. Why? Why incorporate accessibility? [David] Well, there's a number of reasons. I guess, from everyone's perspective incorporating the accessibility guidelines just makes the website a lot easier to read. It looks a lot nicer because we're using nice clean fonts and clean layouts, things like that. And the obvious is for people who are actually disabled it makes the website much more inclusive because they can access the website and all the features. From a business perspective, it's surprising to learn that, I think, almost 20% of people have some sort of disability. So if you don't have an accessible website, potentially, you could be missing out on 20% of the available market. So uhm, there's certainly a number of reasons for incorporating accessibility. [Narelle] When you talk to clients and you talk about accessibility and I'll say that's an extra cost. What's your reaction to that? [David] My reaction to that is to explain the the reasons why they might want to consider that. And also explain that it doesn't necessarily involve having to get certification on every single page on a website. We, we can focus on the key pages of a website and exempt other pages if that's required. Because if you've got a website that's not compliant and there's hundreds of pages then the cost can be prohibitive for some people. So then we can look at narrowing it down to what's the most important on the website. [Narelle] What are the steps? When you look at a website, how do you know that there is accessibility built in? Is there any way that a standard person can tell? [David] Well, if you don't have a disability, it can be a little difficult if you don't know what you're looking for. Some things are obvious, like when functional, functionality like menus and things like that are difficult to use or having trouble reading the the fonts because of the background colour behind them. That's, that's a giveaway. [Narelle] What that it is accessible or that it isn't? [David] That it isn't. If you can't read it as a sighted person because of the colour scheme then you know there's a problem. There's also, uh, quite a few online tools where you can check the. the technical side of the website as well, to see if it's visible to screen readers and things like that. [Narelle] What, what do you advise people, like generally, when you're out and about and someone says uh, went and looked at this website. I couldn't find any, find what I wanted because of you know the issues you've just discussed. What do you advise them to do? Do you talk to them about it? Wha, what, what's the best thing for those people to do? [David] Well, I guess I want to discuss that with them and see if we can assist them in fixing those issues. Yeah, generally, most of these issues can be resolved. It's just a matter of investigation and putting in time to, to look at it. [Narelle] What is the process that you use to design a website that includes accessibility? Do you, obviously you use a process. You wouldn't still be here and wouldn't be successful if you weren't. But what is the process David? What, what would you say to a client that comes and says I want to add accessibility. Where do you start? [David] Once we've established which pages we're going to be focusing on, and we'd start at the the higher level and use the online tools to work out where the obvious problems are. And we start working on those first and we'd also be leaning on our knowledge and experience of accessibility and then once we've got it to a point that we're happy with it, that's when we run it past yourself, Narelle, to get an audit, to find out if there's anything remaining that needs to be resolved. [Narelle] What tips and tricks could you, just say off the top of your head, that are some simple tips that would just start them on the journey, David. You know, what, what would a person that looks at their website and thinks yeah, I can you know, they doing it themselves. what can you advise them to do to start on that journey? [David] Well, if they're doing it themselves, I would definitely be suggesting WordPress. because that will solve quite a lot of the issues out of the box like I mentioned before. choosing an appropriate theme such as the Astra theme. that's one, we're currently using, that's very accessible out of the box and also making sure that they use appropriate plugins that aren't going to affect the accessibility in any way, in a negative way. [Narelle] Yeah. [David] When building pages, they need to consider things like the contrast of colours. So that they would need to check that online to make sure the contrast are correct based on the the guidelines. Think about fonts and navigation in terms of making sure that navigation is clear as to where it leads you to. And also thinking about images and making sure there's alt text available for all of the images and that it's a clear description of what what the image is actu

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