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This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
Episode Summary
Zach kicks off the show with a look at a new throw bag from Sockdolager, modified with 5/16" Sterling rope for a better grip—available now at River Hardware. He then tackles a deep dive into river safety, specifically why running rivers during the "first big flood" of the season is a recipe for disaster due to debris and taxed search-and-rescue resources. The episode takes a personal turn as Zach explains his unique career path from teaching engineering to owning Northwest Rafting Company, followed by an extensive technical clinic on boat selection. He compares the Wing Jumbo to the Air Outfitter 2 for the Chetco River and breaks down why an 11-foot Sotar Legend is the "sports car" of catarafts for day trips in the Pacific Northwest.
Highlights
The "First Flood" Danger: Zach explains why he avoids first-of-the-year flood runs—new strainers, floating debris (like entire decks!), and the ethical responsibility of not taxing emergency services during active flood events.
Engineering to Outfitting: A behind-the-scenes look at how Zach transitioned from teaching community college engineering to buying a rafting company, with a candid take on the "not-so-glamorous" side of business like accounting and permitting.
Upper Chetco Boat Beta: Why tube diameter and boat length matter for the Chetco. Zach recommends big-tube stability (like the Wing Jumbo) over low-sitting packrafts for navigating rocky, technical drops.
Cataract Sizing Clinic: Is a 12.6-foot cat the most versatile? Zach argues yes for multi-days, but champions the 11-foot cat for pure performance and ease of transport on PNW day runs like the Wind or White Salmon.
Manufacturer Breakdown: A candid review of cataraft brands—why Sotar and Air lead the pack in design, while brands like Maravia still struggle with cataraft rocker and "twitchy" performance.
R2 Class Interest: Zach discusses the possibility of bringing R2 (two-person paddling) training to Hood River and asks for listener feedback to gauge interest for a spring session.
Gear Mentioned
River Hardware Sockdolager Throw Bag A modified version with 5/16" static Sterling rope, designed for a better "hand" than standard thin packrafting lines.
Wing Jumbo Kayak: A square-bow inflatable kayak designed specifically for technical stability on the Chetco.
AIRE Outfitter 2: A longer inflatable kayak compared to the Jumbo, discussed for its suitability on technical multi-days.
SOTAR Legend Zach’s top pick for high-performance catarafts, specifically the 11-foot version. Ask for the "Creeker Version"
AIRE Wave Destoryer: A high-performance cataraft alternative with aggressive rocker.
Related Resources
Whitewater Guidebook – The go-to spot for submitting show questions and finding detailed river maps.
River Hardware – Where to find the Soft Lodge throw bags and other curated rafting gear.
Northwest Rafting Company – Information on rowing schools and guided trips.
Wrap-Up
Thanks for joining this episode of the Gear Garage Live Show. Whether you’re debating between a cataraft or a raft for your next purchase, or wondering if you should head out on that flood-stage run, Zach’s advice remains: prioritize stability, trusted partners, and the right tool for the job.
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
On this Friday night Gear Garage Live, Zach digs into a full batch of viewer questions about gear, boats, and how much stuff you really need to drag down the river. From minimalist multi-day setups to the realities of owning a dory, this one is all about making smarter, simpler choices on and off the water.
He also shares some honest opinions on helmets, packrafts, and winter runs in Oregon and Washington, plus a behind-the-scenes look at why show notes and transcripts aren’t as simple as they sound.
In this episode
Finding the “sweet spot” between comfort and overloading your multi-day raft, including Zach’s minimalist kit (one dry bag, small tent, simple pad, limited shoes).
Why some private trips feel like moving a small furniture store down the river—cots, giant Paco pads, huge chairs—and how that affects your ability to actually enjoy camp.
Packrafts vs hardshell kayaks: when a packraft makes sense (hike-ins, big portages, exploratory creeks) and why Zach thinks using one on drive-up runs or the Grand Canyon doesn’t really add up.
Thoughts on modern packraft designs like kayak-shaped boats and why he’s loved ultra-light decked inflatables in the past.
Helmet talk: concerns about NRS/WRSI-style buckets, broken adjusters in far-flung places, the Virginia Tech ratings, and why—if it fits—Zach leans toward Sweet Protection lids.
Wetsuit separates and safety: real incidents where wetsuit pants or shorts slid down and trapped swimmers, and what you can do (tight drawstrings, good fit, secure shorts) to avoid that hazard.
Winter day-trip ideas for private boaters around Salem and the greater Oregon/Washington region, with pointers to the Whitewater Guidebook and cataraft progression articles.
Dories and McKenzie drift boats for rivers like the Rogue, Owyhee, and Lower Deschutes—storage, trailers, group dynamics, rock hits, wrapping, and why rafts are so forgiving by comparison.
How Zach currently handles podcast pages and show notes, and why fully detailed transcripts for every live show are a heavy lift for a “for-fun” project.
Gear & Rivers Mentioned
Multi-day camping kits: dry bags, pads, cots, chairs, tents, and shoe strategies for guides and private boaters.
Packrafts and light decked inflatables for hike-in missions and portage-heavy runs.
Helmet options for big heads, including NRS/WRSI-style helmets and Sweet Protection models.
Cold-weather layering with wetsuit pants and tops vs going straight to a drysuit.
Oregon & Washington winter runs, including classics like the Rogue River and other regional staples highlighted on Whitewater Guidebook.
Dories vs McKenzie drift boats vs rafts for rocky, shallow Northwest rivers and big-water classics.
Resources
Whitewater Guidebook – Zach’s write-ups on Oregon, Washington, and California runs, plus rowing progression articles.
Rogue River – Multi-day staple that comes up often in discussions of winter boating and dories/drift boats.
Guidebooks like “Soggy Sneakers” and “Paddling/Kayaking Oregon” for more winter run ideas around Salem and beyond.
If you’ve ever wondered whether you’re bringing way too much stuff, if a dory is really the next boat you need, or how worried to be about your wetsuit pants, this episode is for you.
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
Intro
In this episode of the Gear Garage Live Show, Zach checks in from Bangkok on his way to Bhutan and dives into winter rafting on the Rogue River, dialing in oar length for wide boats, and how to think about whitewater rescue courses. He also shares thoughts on oar tethers and how they can help keep you in the boat when things get spicy.
Episode Summary
Zach starts with a behind-the-scenes look at NWRC’s Bhutan cultural and paddling trips, then answers questions about late-fall and winter rafting on the Rogue River. He walks through his oar length equation (distance between oarlocks × 1.63) using a Highside Pro-XT and Sawyer MX-LG oars as a real-world example, and explains why frame width and seat height matter as much as the math. The conversation wraps with custom oar tethers, the Oar Snubber concept, and why “whitewater rescue” for boaters is different from traditional “swiftwater rescue” for first responders.
Highlights
Bhutan trips overview: nine-day hotel-based itineraries, three efficient half-day rafting runs, and a more expedition-style option with a three-day overnight through a national park.
Why the Rogue is such a great late-November and winter river, and why Zach often suggests Grave Creek to Foster Bar for shorter, colder days.
Winter rafting essentials: drysuit vs wetsuit, layering for comfort, and campsite systems with solid tents, tarps, and legal campfires.
Deep dive on oar length: how Zach derived the 1.63 oar length multiplier, why many frames push people toward oars that are too short, and why 12' oars are rarely practical.
Frame design critique for wide boats like the Highside Pro-XT—high captain’s chairs, wide towers, and how they affect rowing geometry and leverage.
Custom oar tether solutions, including Larry’s strap-based system and the Oar Snubber bungee idea to keep oars engaged and rowers in the boat.
Whitewater vs swiftwater rescue: why boaters benefit more from river-running focused “whitewater rescue” courses taught by experienced guides and private boaters.
Gear Mentioned
Highside Pro-XT 16' raft and recommended frames.
Sawyer MX-LG oars (11'–12' discussion and limitations).
Dry suits, wetsuits, fleece layers, and cold-weather river footwear.
Three-season tents, tarps, and fire setups for wet, cold camps.
RMR Fat Cat with oar frame and custom oar tethers.
Oar Snubber-style bungee tether concepts for keeping oars in play.
Related Resources
Rogue River – NWRC’s overview of the Rogue and trip options.
Rogue River Guide – rapid descriptions, logistics, and flows.
Wrap-Up
Thanks for hanging out for another Gear Garage Live session. If you’re dreaming about winter on the Rogue, dialing in your oar length, or maybe heading to Bhutan, this episode will help you think through safety, comfort, and boat setup so you can enjoy the river season all year long.
Connect with Us
Catch every new episode of the Gear Garage Live Show by subscribing on your favorite podcast platform. For rafting trips, guide training, and expert resources, visit Northwest Rafting Company and the Whitewater Guidebook.
Hosted by Zach Collier | Produced by Northwest Rafting Company
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
In this episode of the Gear Garage Live Show, Zach dives into rescue education for both guides and private boaters, explores the world of hard-to-find pins and clips, and answers questions about rowing progression when you don’t live near a river. He also shares thoughts on Rally Crew, community-building, and how to keep learning after a Class III rowing school.
Episode Summary
Zach opens with a look at NWRC’s expanded rescue curriculum, including the Rescue 3 Whitewater Rescue Technician course for guides and the Class III Safety & Rescue Clinics designed specifically for private boaters. From there, the show slides into a deep gear rabbit hole—comparing old-school Klaviy-style pins and clips, discussing DIY stirrup options, and talking through why certain sleeves just don’t cut it. The episode wraps with progression advice for boaters in gear-limited states, plus new ways to connect with paddlers through Rally Crew and regional instructors.
Highlights
The difference between guide-focused WRT courses and private-boater rescue clinics—and why prevention is at the core of whitewater rescue.
One-day “à la carte” rescue workshops covering mechanical advantage, entrapments, throwbag skills, and swim practice.
What to know about pins and clips, why Zach prefers ball-style tops, and why floppy stirrups are a liability.
DIY stirrup options (cutting from old kayaks, 3D-printed end caps) and why a well-sized hard stirrup matters.
Progression advice when you don’t have a local river: boat ownership, travel, repeat courses, and finding community.
Where to find instruction outside the West Coast—including Canyon River Instruction and Daniel Stillman's new Wolf Creek Whitewater program.
Gear Mentioned
Pins & clips (ball-top and rubber-cap styles), stirrups, PVC sleeves, and Oar Snubber.
NRS oar towers, sleeves, and why Zach often avoids stock plastic options.
Boat choices for progression: 13' rafts for day trips or 16' boats for full overnight setups.
Related Resources
Whitewater Guidebook – Ask a question, river beta, and rescue articles.
NWRC Rescue Courses – Guide WRT Pro and Class III Safety & Rescue Clinics.
NWRC – Rowing School details and upcoming workshops.
Wrap-Up
Thanks for tuning in! Whether you’re hunting for rare pins and clips, exploring new rescue education, or figuring out how to keep progressing without a local river, this episode offers practical next steps for safer, more confident boating.
Connect with Us
Catch every new episode of the Gear Garage Live Show by subscribing on your favorite podcast platform. For rafting trips, guide training, and expert resources, visit Northwest Rafting Company and the Whitewater Guidebook.
Hosted by Zach Collier | Produced by Northwest Rafting Company
The Professional River Guide Series is a video series featuring conversations with seasoned river professionals, aimed at continuing education for professional working river guides. From whitewater safety and rigging tips to leadership, river history, and guiding philosophy, we dive into the knowledge that makes great guides even better. Whether you're gearing up for your first season or have decades on the water, these talks will keep your skills sharp and your stoke high.
Today's discussion is with Zach Collier, Aaron Cavagnolo and Mark Hirst.
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This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
In this episode of the Gear Garage Live Show, Zach digs into the growing focus on whitewater rescue training for rafters, breaks down a viewer’s Cherry Creek catboat run, and answers questions about beaver boards, dance floors, and GoPro mounting. Along the way, he explains why different boating communities need different rescue curricula and shares practical tips for setting up a gear-friendly frame system.
Episode Summary
Zach opens with a deep dive into the difference between traditional “swiftwater rescue” for first responders and the type of whitewater rescue that rafters, guides, and private boaters actually need. He explains how NWRC is separating guide-focused Rescue 3 courses from private-boater Class III Safety & Rescue Clinics to deliver better outcomes. The episode then shifts into a catboat video review from California’s Cherry Creek—highlighting oar shipping, downstream hazards, and why catboats can be both forgiving and deceptive. Additional questions touch on beaver board construction, marine-grade plywood, handling sketchy rescue situations, and Rivtech-style experimental raft designs.
Highlights
Why mixing guides, firefighters, agency staff, and private boaters into one rescue course produces poor outcomes.
How NWRC differentiates whitewater rescue for guides vs private boaters—and why prevention is the heart of safety.
Cherry Creek breakdown: oar shipping, Miracle Mile timing, risky swim lines, and where catboats forgive bad angles.
How Zach mounts his GoPro using a SUP paddle and handlebar clamp for stable rafting shots.
Beaver boards and dance floors: marine-grade plywood, alternatives, and why regular plywood works for most private boaters.
Evaluating Rivtech-style rafts and other “bathtub” hull experiments in modern whitewater design.
Gear Mentioned
SUP paddles and GoPro handlebar mounts.
Marine-grade and standard plywood for beaver boards.
Pins and clips, oar rights, and catboat frame setups.
Experimental hulls like Rivtech drop-stitch rafts.
Related Resources
NWRC Rescue Courses – Whitewater rescue for guides and private boaters.
Whitewater Guidebook – Submit questions, find river beta, and explore safety articles.
Wrap-Up
Thanks for tuning in! Whether you’re curious about rescue training, working on your frame setup, or studying lines on Cherry Creek, this episode offers practical insight to help you stay safer and sharper on the river.
Connect with Us
Catch every new episode of the Gear Garage Live Show by subscribing on your favorite podcast platform. For rafting trips, guide training, and expert resources, visit Northwest Rafting Company and the Whitewater Guidebook.
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
In this Gear Garage Live Show, Zach shares why he’s all-in on boater-focused rescue courses, breaks down low-water Middle Fork and Main Salmon decisions, and digs into the science of oar length and boat setup. Along the way he talks about gear minimalism, clean water systems, and choosing the right raft for Northwest rivers and overnight trips.
Episode Summary
This episode starts with an update on Zach’s new rescue courses designed specifically for whitewater rafters and kayakers, from private boater classes on the Clackamas to professional guide trainings on the Hood River. He reviews the film “Just Get a Kayak,” then answers detailed questions on deadheading the Middle Fork Salmon at low water, IKs on the upper miles, and how to balance group comfort with light boats. Zach also covers pushing vs pulling heavy rigs, choosing raft sizes for runs like the Clackamas, White Salmon, and Wind, and explains his go-to oar length formula so boaters can avoid expensive guesswork.
Highlights
Why Zach built separate rescue curriculums for private boaters and professional guides, and what those courses look like on the Clackamas and Hood River.
Thoughts on the “Just Get a Kayak” film and why authentic river storytelling beats self-promo edits.
Middle Fork Salmon low-water strategy: deadheading, respecting the trip leader, and packing light for the top miles.
When to push vs pull in shallow technical rapids, how tracking changes with heavy gear boats, and why it’s so situational.
Balancing creature comforts vs work: why Zach leaves chairs and extra shoes at home to keep boats light and camp simple.
Oar length made simple: distance between oarlocks × 1.63 (± 0.5 ft), plus frame width, tower height, and seat position mistakes to avoid.
Gear Mentioned
Rescue gear for boaters (throw bags, swim practice, flip drills, foot entrapment scenarios).
Rafts for Northwest classics: ~14–15 ft rafts from brands like Wing, SOTAR, Avon, and NRS for rivers such as the Clackamas, White Salmon, and Wind.
Oars and frames: 9–10 ft oars for 13–14 ft boats, double-rail frames, proper oar tower height (8–9") and avoiding oversized captain’s chairs.
Clean water systems: traditional water jugs treated with Aqua Mira versus newer pressurized filters like the LifeStraw 5-gallon system.
Sleeping systems: Therm-a-Rest style pads vs bulkier paco pads and why going light keeps trips easier.
Related Resources
Rogue River – Classic multi-day trip for refining rescue and rowing skills.
Rogue River Guide – Rapid descriptions, permits, and trip planning info.
Northwest Rafting Company Trips – Commercial trips and instructional courses with NWRC.
Whitewater Guidebook – River beta and resources for private boaters.
Wrap-Up
Thanks for tuning in to this episode of the Gear Garage Live Show. Whether you’re eyeing a Middle Fork Salmon low-water trip, rethinking your gear load, or trying to finally solve the oar length puzzle, Zach hopes this helps you make smarter, safer choices on the river.
Connect with Us
Catch every new episode of the Gear Garage Live Show by subscribing on your favorite podcast platform. For rafting trips, guide training, and expert resources, visit Northwest Rafting Company and the Whitewater Guidebook.
Hosted by Zach Collier | Produced by Northwest Rafting Company
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
Today's Show!
Answer Questions
River Hardware Flip Line
Some of the Questions that Zach covered in the Q&A section of this episode
Topic: Secure Backrest
Help! I can get my backrest setup properly on a 4-bay oar frame on a 16er. We have Watershed Colorado Bags. The front bay has a table across it with the paco pads on top. No matter what I try they don’t stay in place. They tend to slide back, interfering with the rower.
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
Today's Show!
Answer Questions
Some of the Questions that Zach covered in the Q&A section of this episode
Topic: Safety Coverage
Canyon section of the South Fork Payette at 4900cfs (Summer). Commercial trip with one raft (2 guides, 5 customers) and one safety kayak. No other boats on the river.
Is that an adequate safety setup?
Topic: Tiny Rafts
This may be a random question, but I have been watching your videos for quite some time now and love the magnetic small rafts you use in your videos. I have been looking all over for them and have come up short. Did you make them / have them 3d printed? Or did you purchase them somewhere?
Thank you for all you do for the whitewater community.
Topic: Rowing School Prep
Been down the Lower Rogue many times over the last 20 years, but mostly in IKs or on the front of someone else's boat. I've had a 14ft Sotar for a few years know and have rowed on the Upper and the Owyhee, but not the lower. I've enrolled for the Class III Rowing School starting Aug 26th, but my buddies asked if I would be the 2nd boat on a raft supported hike trip Aug 3-7. My original plan was to row with y'all before putting that burden on any other boater. However, my skills are getting there (oar shipping, reading water, downstream ferrying) and I wonder if I should help these guys out, plus it'll give me some prep before Rowing School. Should I hit Galice to Graves a bunch to practice technical lines in Argo, or what would you advise?
Topic: Stern Mount Frame Specs
Hi Zach! Josh from Chattooga here. I came across Gear Garage episode 155 on stern mount frames. I like the last frame you demonstrated, the slant board design that can be mounted center or stern.
We paddle guide here but I enjoy rowing in my free time. I plan to build a custom frame for a 13' or 14' raft and was wondering if you can pass along the specs for that frame. Any tips or drawings would be super helpful.
I'm pretty tall like you and I think it would suit me and the raft perfectly. There's a local welder's shop that I'll be taking the design to.
Thanks in advance. Have a great day!
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
Today's Show!
Public Lands
Answer Questions
Ecuador Courses
Some of the Questions that Zach covered in the Q&A section of this episode
Topic: Boat Spacing
What is considered good boat spacing in low water runs when giving space for crux moves.
Is it the same in high-water crux moves?
Topic: September MF
Hey Zach, big fan of the channel!
My friend has a permit for the Middle Fork of the Salmon on September 3rd, and I’m wondering—what do you think the river will be like around then? Would love to hear your thoughts.
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
Today's Show!
Answer Questions
Middle Fork Beta
Some of the Questions that Zach covered in the Q&A section of this episode
Topic: Rope!
Say I'd like to put together something I hope I never need. I have some gear, but I'm wondering what kind of rope you would recommend for a Pin kit. I know you guys are swamped this time of year, so no worries if you don't respond.
Topic: Blower Adaptor
Any beta on if the Makita or Milwaukee adaptor fits the cheap K. I. M. O leaf blower? I’m bleeding money on raft gear, Trying to save where I can.
Topic: Two Rowing Questions
I’m a complete newbie, trying to understand some of the major dos and don’ts as I gain entry-level experience rowing a raft. I’ve heard two things from multiple people, and I’d love to get your take:
“Never exceed 45 degrees to the current”
I understand how this can be safe advice for a beginner, but obviously, there are times you need to break this rule for certain maneuvers. Are there situations where being 90 degrees to the current is okay, and others where it’s a definite no? I get that if there’s an object downstream, the last thing you want is to hit it broadside — so staying at 45 degrees makes it more likely you’ll hit bow-first instead of getting hung up sideways. But in your videos, I see a lot of ferrying at greater than 45 degrees or even rowing at 90 degrees to the current. When you’re 90 degrees to the current, is there concern that water hitting the upstream side of the raft could flip it?
Flipping at eddy lines
I’ve heard a few horror stories of people flipping when they hit eddy lines — no rocks, no holes, just a fast eddy line that flipped them. But in your videos, you show catching eddies by pushing and pulling, and it always looks smooth. What would someone have to do wrong to flip in that situation instead of catching the eddy cleanly, like you do? The stories I’ve heard don’t involve getting pinned or hitting an obstacle — just the eddy line itself. And honestly, the eddy lines you cross in your videos look just as strong or stronger than what they’re describing.
Thanks for your time — I know that’s a lot to unpack!
Topic: Used Rafts?
I did a trip with you a couple years ago down the Rogue River and loved it. I live up in Roseburg and am trying to find a used raft and oar rig setup. I’d like to do your Class III training trip next summer.
I’m curious if you have any rafts that you’re looking to get rid of? I live on the Umpqua River and would like to start rafting it and learning.
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
Ask a question for next episode
Questions that Zach covered in the Q&A section of this episode
Topic:River Advocacy
While it’s not Jimmy Carter on the Middle Fork rafting in jeans, it’s a U.S. senator doing some on site work about the conditions at the take out of Cataract Canyon.
Check out This Article.
This is a reminder that boaters at any level of skill/experience can make mistakes and get stuck. It also is a reminder that there are members of congress who will actually look into some matters as it pertains to rivers and river access. If these places matter to us, we need to let our representatives know each year and support organizations that will lobby on behalf of the rivers.
Not really a question, but a good topic and a cool video of the rescue. The gear retrieval seemed like it was quite a project too, according to the article.
Topic: Middle Fork
Hey we are headed out on the Middle Fork on the 29th.
I was just wondering what you thought about the rapids that have changed from the main descriptions?
Velvet?
Ramshorn?
Others?
The level will probably be about 2.5 or so if the forecast holds.
In particular can we still go left at velvet? I’ve seen video at low water of right side runs.
Anything you can add will be appreciated.
We plan to scout Pistol and maybe Lake Creek (thoughts).
The Professional River Guide Series is a video series featuring conversations with seasoned river professionals, aimed at continuing education for professional working river guides. From whitewater safety and rigging tips to leadership, river history, and guiding philosophy, we dive into the knowledge that makes great guides even better. Whether you're gearing up for your first season or have decades on the water, these talks will keep your skills sharp and your stoke high.
With Chris Davis MD
Article Mentioned
The Seal Rite CPR mask
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
Topics and links that Zach talked about in this episode
The Perfect Paddling Fleece
Answer Questions
Grand Canyon Flip Video
Some of the Questions that Zach covered in the Q&A section of this episode
Topic: New Middle Fork
My husband Harry is organizing a Middle Fork trip that puts in July 11. He has some questions about how the rapids in the upper section have changed since he last ran it in 2021. He was looking at your write-up on Whitewater Guidebook from 2023: Can you provide more info about the current situation?
Topic: Dynamic rescue situations and rash decisions
On a recent trip (all rafts w/ gear) we had a rower flip in the last wave of a rapid. There was a very short stretch of slack water before the next rapid. The next boat through was running tight and yelled out for the swimmer to swim to them. They very quickly got to her and pulled her from the water. The rower of the second boat then jumped out of his boat leaving the rescued swimmer to take his oars. He climbed onto the upside down boat, flipped it back over and climbed back on. It took him precious time to get the oars situated and be able to row through the next rapid, but literally came within seconds of going sideways over a nasty pour over at the very top of the rapid.
Topic: Reducing Strainer Hazards on Flooding Rivers
I live along a small continuous class II/III river in SW Colorado.
Recently, runoff and flood waters have made the river fun and deep enough to run. River-wide strainers are a part of the process. Throughout the years a few of us in the local boating community have worked to remove them or inform people of their locations.
We generally approach strainers of different types on a case-by-case basis. Normally we cut manageable chunks of wood out and remove them from the river as well as the branches. We let the unsafe and unmanageable pieces go and hope it floats away (four-foot pieces).
Topic: R2 on the North Yuba
We ran two r2 boats on North Fork Yuba from Goodyear bar on the Maytag run on June 3rd, 2025. The lead boat got surfed, and we were a bit close. We pursued the swimmer. I had a question about whether we should attempt to bump our friend out of the hydraulic or try to miss him. We hit his boat, but it didn't help him much, and we almost lost our line. I thought you would have some idea about this. Usually, we would grab an Eddie and try to get a line, but a swimmer was running downstream, and we decided we better pursue him first.
Love your show and enjoy the weekly work you do to promote safety in white water rafting,
Topic: Main Salmon River
Hello Zach, I have been a big fan of your video trip reports for a long time now and I have noticed you have not made any videos on the Main Salmon River from Corn Creek to Carey Creek.
Is there a certain reason for this ? I would love to know thanks
Topic: Places to Raft
What are the top 5 states to go rafting in the U.S. and also top places in South America, Europe and Asia?
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
Topics and links that Zach talked about in this episode
Answer Questions
Some of the Questions that Zach covered in the Q&A section of this episode
Topic: Oar Length
I used your 1.63 oar formula and determined I should be running 9' oars, not my current 8.5 oars. I'm not sure how I ended up at 8.5 - I've had them for 5+ years and used some long-lost formula to arrive at that length, but trust your method more. The boat is a Hyside Pro 13.5, but as your video states, length and tube size don't really matter - it's the width between the oarlocks.
How much power do you feel I'm giving up if I leave as is? I handle oars well, have been boating for 40+ years - and mostly run the Rogue, Deschutes, Main and - if I can ever get on it - the MF.
I see you're doing "row-your-owns" on the MF, I may have to consider that as permits remain elusive and I'm not getting any younger.
I'm running Sawyer MX shafts with DyneLite blades. Replacing the shafts entirely would get spendy, but I see that Sawyer has a 6" Oar Handle extension for $45 per (if not counter-balanced). Any opinion on that approach as a less costly alternative to new shafts?
Topic: Middle Fork of the Salmon - Camps
What camp do you think is the best at high water for a small group?
Topic: 15'-16' Raft
I was curious if you were still recommending the wing and hyside or if you have other boats or brands that you recommend. I’m looking for a 15 or 16 foot boat for myself, wife and three kids. Also wondering if you guys happen to have any boats for sale?
Topic: Renting V. Buying
One other question I’m considering is renting vs buying a used setup as a beginner and trying to figure out all the things to consider when making the decision.
Topic: Beginner Rowing Instruction
I live in Portland and am a beginner looking to get into rowing whitewater.
I’m hoping to get some instruction soon so I can be out on the river this summer. Are there any businesses you’d recommend for learning to row?
In this episode of Safety First with Danger Tate, we dive into a conversation with Elisha McArthur, co-founder of Canyon River Instruction and Worldwide Women of Whitewater. Elisha shares how she’s helping to reshape the river scene through education, empowerment, and connection as well as the story behind creating a global community for women in whitewater sports.
In this episode, we cover:
How Elisha’s personal journey led her to co-found Canyon River Instruction
Building inclusive communities in adventure sports
Practical tips for getting started in whitewater
Safety tips for private boaters
The origins and mission of Worldwide Women of Whitewater
The challenges and opportunities women face in paddlesports
This is an inspiring listen for private and commercial boaters, instructors, outdoor enthusiasts, advocates for equity in sport, or anyone curious about the power of community in wild spaces.
More Resources
Elisha stars in a new short film called River Mamma that can be found here. It is a "tribute to motherhood—honoring the strength it takes to nurture others while staying true to your own passions."
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
Topics and links that Zach talked about in this episode
Rescue Courses
D-Ring Testing
Answer Questions
Some of the Questions that Zach covered in the Q&A section of this episode
Topic: Pinned Kayak Rescues
A few days ago I was involved in my 2nd rescue of a person in pinned kayak. Both incidents were very similar. They happened at low water in relatively easy rapids (class III-), but created very dangerous situations. The kayakers could not safely wet exit because their kayak was perpendicular to the current and their head was upstream. Luckily their heads were above water, but this easily could have not been the case.
As a rafter, I did my best in handling these situations. I was the 1st on the scene and followed my training by first asking if they were stable so I could decide if we could take our time or if we needed to get them out ASAP. Both rescues were a success, but I am left wondering if there are some key fundamentals it would be good for both rafters and kayakers to understand here. The 2 swiftwater rescue courses I have taken focused too much on how to get empty boats unpinned and not enough on pinned kayaks with people in them.
This is probably too much to answer on the spot, but perhaps would make a good video after you thought about it some more.
Topic: Deflating Tubes for Stuck Boat
Love the show. I am a better/safer boater because of your show and your videos.
I was recently stuck hard (semi-submerged) on a relatively small rock. I needed to stay in the boat for safety… I deflated tubes as part of working the boat off the rock.
Is there an order to deflate in? IE - highside tube first? Or do you deflate them all a little and see what happens? Thanks.
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
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Answer Questions
River Rescue Gear at River Hardware
Some of the Questions that Zach covered in the Q&A section of this episode
Topic: Highwater Middle Fork of the Salmon
I'm invited on a MFS trip June 10. Super psyched! The trip leader wants to cap the trip at 5 feet, but I bet it will be higher. I'm pushing for a careful safe trip, even if higher than 5 feet. I feel up to the challenge 100%. The crew is solid. Any thoughts on flows and wisdom of going? I hate the idea of the permit being canceled. Thanks!
Topic: Guide Shoes
What about guides wearing Chacos... Do you have any thoughts about that?
Topic: Rope Selection
You've covered a lot on static line length and diameter on your previous videos, and I'm curious to hear more about material and buoyancy.
On whitewater gear you offer the sterling super static 2 rope, but I don't believe that's a high floating material, and is quite a bit heavier without being stronger than some other equivalent 3/8" ropes like ultra line.
Can you review a bit more on rope design/materials vs use in whitewater rescue applications? Sterling looks to be the standard in ropes, and their ultra line appears like the best overall option for weight/strength vs flotation. Only downside I can see is that ultra line is not available in sizes other than 1/4" and 3/8" if someone needs 11mm or larger.
Topic: 18' Raft Owyhee
What's your low flow cutoff for getting a medium to lightly loaded 18' raft down the Lower Owhyee? I'm able to make technical moves just not interested in getting high centered or squeezed all the time and having to get out to shove a whole bunch. Nuisance rapid for instance. Does an 18' even fit between boulders at flows less than 1K CFS? I'm 5 days out from launch and flows have been very slowly dropping, currently around 1300 CFS to 1400 CFS with no major precip in forecast.
Motoring out and my 18' has the registration. Have a smaller raft with fishing frame and registration but its not rigged to motor and would like to avoid that hassle of frame changeover and assembly if possible. Thanks for your insights!
Topic: IK Safety
Thanks for this channel; it is an excellent resource for people like me who are new to rafting. Two buddies and I took the NWRC Class III rowing school last year, which was awesome. The Lower Salmon was one of the rivers the instructors recommended as a good first private trip, so we are planning a multi-day trip with our families on the Lower Salmon in mid-July. We will have three rafts.
We have several high school kids in our group. I am considering bringing two or three inflatable kayaks for them to use if they want more excitement than riding in the rafts. Everyone will be in helmets and PFDs. The kids are strong swimmers and comfortable in the water. I have three questions:
Where should we put the IKs in the group? I am thinking between the middle and last raft as that would leave two downstream rafts in case they swim.
Would having three IKs in the water at one time be too many given we only have three rafts?
Could you talk about how trip leaders monitor IKs on your commercial trips.
In this episode of Safety First with Danger Tate, Tate sits down with Joe Daly, the co-founder of the groundbreaking rafting company, Echo River Trips. Founded in 1972, Echo rapidly expanded to run trips across 19 river stretches in five U.S. states and even Yugoslavia by 1981. Joe shares the story behind the creation of Echo, providing insight into the adventurous spirit and entrepreneurial drive that fueled the company’s early success.
Throughout their conversation, Joe reflects on his personal journey from river guide to business owner, and the lessons he learned along the way. He discusses his early decision to focus on rafting over kayaking, how his partnership with co-founder Dick Linford was formed, and the unique challenges and rewards of pioneering commercial river trips in the 1970s and 1980s. Joe also touches on the importance of community, resilience, and environmental stewardship within the river-running world.
Listeners will enjoy Joe's candid storytelling, from the practical aspects of building a river business to the philosophical lessons the river teaches. Whether you’re an outdoor enthusiast, an entrepreneur, or someone who appreciates a good adventure, Joe’s stories offer timeless wisdom on leadership, passion, and the unpredictable currents of life.
Main Discussion Points:
The founding story of Echo River Trips and its early expansion
Joe Daly’s personal journey and decision to specialize in rafting
Key lessons learned from running a river outfitting business
Reflections on teamwork, partnership, and community in outdoor leadership
The enduring influence of river life on personal and professional values
Joe's Latest Project
Joe has been editing a book called Stories of a Western Wildhood, full of short stories written by his business partner, Dick Linford. The book was just published and you can find it here.
This podcast is the audio version of the Gear Garage Live Show, where we answer submitted questions and talk all things whitewater.
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Answer Questions
Middle Fork Trip Planning Blog
Some of the Questions that Zach covered in the Q&A section of this episode
Topic: Oar Length (For a Specific Situation)
What’s the best oar length for running Class II rapids in a 15'6" long Stryker inflatable boat? The boat has a 60-inch span, a 6'2" wide beam, and a 160-pound outboard motor on the stern. I plan to use it occasionally as a drift boat. For longer, deeper, easy-going sections, I’ll use the motor to go back upstream and re-fish, or to get through slow, deep, unfishable water. Thanks!
Topic: IK for Extended Trips
I've been using an Aquaglide touring IK for Class III/IV trips—our last was on the Lower Salmon—and after spending days sitting in water, I know it’s time for an upgrade. I recently picked up a Star Outlaw II for my son, but so far it's only seen flatwater. We’ve got some whitewater trips planned for June and July, and I’d love some advice for my new IK. I’m super torn between a few options.
In order of interest:
Star Outlaw II — I like the 5 chambers, drop-stitch floor, and the price point, plus the reviews are solid. But I hate the lack of anchor points for gear—had to glue some on for my son.
AIRE Outfitter II — Tons of great reviews, nice bow kick, and it has good gear loops. But it's pricey, and I’m worried I’ll be sitting in water again with that floor.
AIRE Lynx II — Same pros and cons as the Outfitter.
Corran Tandem — I like that it handles big water, but I think I’d hate it on flatwater.
RMR Taylor vs Animas — The price is right and what I’ve found so far is positive, but reviews are way fewer compared to NRS stuff.
I’m 6’2”, around 300 lbs (currently cutting weight), and I need an IK that can support me on a 5-night trip. Also curious about the NRS Riffle—it looks durable and capable.






















