The New Heretics

On this All Hallows Eve, @Yung_Logo and @Baren_Nick swap spooky stories from our lives as Jehovah’s Witnesses and beyond. We discuss the limits of our perceptions and sift through skeptical explanations for common uncanny reports. Also included: a Halloween haiku, horror movie recommendations, and shout-outs to exJW horror creators Scott R. Jones and Chris Stuckmann. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

Longtime cult activist and former Jehovah's Witness Lloyd Evans joins The New Heretics to discuss cult deconstruction, the benefits of psychedelics, and the complicated nature of reality and perception. For a wealth of JW counter-apologetics and cult activist content, please visit The Lloyd Evans Channel and consider donating to the cause. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

exMo Logan joins The New Heretics to recount her experience in a "wayward teen" cult where abuse and mind control was rampant. Topics include the methods Whitmore Academy and Cheryl Sudweeks used to control its victims, the long-term effects of high-control groups, and how Logan has found peace and purpose in her life after waking up. Also featured is one of Logan's favorite poems, "Wild Geese" by Mary Oliver. Read more about the Whitmore Academy and the lawsuit that was settled in 2008. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

Nick and Logo are joined by business executive and mindfulness enjoyer Patrick Butler to discuss his deconversion process out of fundamentalist Christianity and what he's taken from Buddhist thought. Specific information about mindfulness practice begins around the 1:48:00 mark. Other helpful resources mentioned in the conversation: "When Things Fall Apart" by Pema Chodron https://a.co/d/ctoTbZF Jack Kornfield https://jackkornfield.com/ Thich Nhat Hanh https://plumvillage.org/about/thich-nhat-hanh This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

Philosophy YouTuber Emerson Green joins Nick and Logo to "steelman" Mormonism from a secular perspective. Christians and others in the West often malign The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as "Christianity with a bunch of weird stuff." But is that fair? Is Mormonism really weirder or less plausible than mainline Christianity? Included is a critique of a recent video released by YouTube channel Capturing Christianity that attacks Mormonism with flawed and hypocritical arguments typical of Christian apologetics:Check out more of Emerson's witty, good-faith philosophical and counter-apologetic content on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCqBy2TfJbYXjqBL3cQOFUig Twitter: https://x.com/waldenpod Linktree: https://linktr.ee/emersongreen This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

Jake from the AltWorldly channel joins the pod to discuss the life and lore of Jehovah’s Witnesses, as well as many of the downstream consequences of being a multigenerational cult member. Topics include JW urban legends, finding philosophical grounding post-deconversion, coping with shunning and family dynamics, as well as the various ways to navigate deconstruction. There’s also a poem and a lot of tangents + laughing. Check out Jake’s creative and incisive exJW content on YouTube @altworldly This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

exJW Ruby joins The New Heretics to advocate for the America First movement and recounts her conversion to Orthodox Christianity post deconstruction. We also discuss the backlash her political shift received within the online exJW community, which led her to start a stream open to right-wing perspectives and debate. Ruby has also launched a letter writing campaign to President Trump requesting an investigation be done into the abuses of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Join the effort if you are interested here:exJW Letter Writing Campaign InfoYou can also find her at:* Twitter: https://x.com/NewyorkerRican* YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NewyorkerRican This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

Scott R. Jones joined the podcast to discuss his new auto-fictional novel Drill, a darkly humous and raw story of a mailman who dares to fight God. We discuss the damage caused by growing up as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, how memetic viruses manifest themselves in reality, and what can be done to combat them — and at what cost?Buy your copy of Drill today. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

In Part 3 of our series Being PIMQ, we rank doubts and conditions for doubting that Jehovah’s Witnesses may encounter from time to time. Our top tier doubts may surprise you — they surprised us as we went through topics like the authority of the Governing Body, the blood transfusion doctrine, disfellowshipping, mistreatment, and many more. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

In Part 2 of “Being PIMQ,” Logo and Nick discuss a bit of JW news followed by an in-depth recounting of the doubts that ultimately proved too much for them to overcome. 13:13 — Logo’s waking up story1:06:42 — Nick’s waking up story This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

A wide-ranging chat with JW Instagram meme artist @1914Hoax aka April [The Apostate] about life as a 5th-generation Jehovah’s Witness, pioneering, the fading process, dating, relationships, disturbing service anecdotes, and much more. Please check out April’s Insta for creative, aesthetically pleasing apostate memes! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

In part one of Being PIMQ (Physically In, Mentally Questioning), Nick and Logo dive into the notion of doubt. Where does it come from, how does one begin to doubt, and what does that process of questioning look like? From cognitive dissonance to philosophical investigations, what is it like for one to question their own deeply held truths? This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

In part 2, Logo and Nick scrutinize Jehovah’s Witnesses’ claim that they are the one true Christian religion and, if so, where were they for 1800 years? Topics include sola scriptura, apostolic succession, theological baggage, and a new Heretical Haiku. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

On this episode, Nick and Logo discuss the heavily contentious topic of, “Are Jehovahs Witnesses Christian?” We discuss the differences between a Cult and other Religious groups, and how that impacts their public reception and the impact on individual members lives. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

Nick and Logo discuss the the different aspects that make something a “Cult”. From the BITE model to the Pop-Culture Understanding of Cult like behaviors and Aesthetics, they go into the nitty gritty details of what makes something “Culty”. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com

Welcome to The New Heretics Podcast. A podcast made for Ex-cult victims trying to reconstruct their lives and worldview after their reconversion. Join Nick and Logo as they discuss the plans for this show as well as some of their upbringing and background. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenewheretics.substack.com