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After a decade run as South Africa’s first and longest-running online current affairs show, The Burning Platform, launched alongside CliffCentral.com in 2014 with Gareth Cliff and Justice Malala, is levelling up – Level Up with Phumi Mashigo. Phumi a founder host of CliffCentral and current Burning Platform co-anchor, will continue to bring insightful perspectives and questioning with thought leaders, politicians and social commentators on the critical issues that affect our lives. Podcasts available on Podcast Party app, website, Spotify, Apple Podcasts and all major podcast platforms.
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Is Helen Zille right for mayor of JHB? Has the mainstream media
left us in the lurch when thinking about our choices? And has the ANC
abandoned its post when choosing who to put forward for the positions of
mayor? Phumi Mashigo asks these of her esteemed panel: Sabelo Skiti,
Sunday Times Investigative Journalist, Mayihlome Tshwete, former
government spokesperson and political commentator, and Solly Msimanga,
DA Gauteng Leader. The Burning Platform
Who's profiting from SA’s black market? Who's paying the price? And what will it take to stop the cycle of chaos? Following from our previous Democracy Unplugged panel on crime, host Penuel the Black Pen continues the discussion with Free Market Foundation CEO David Ansara, Business Unity South Africa CEO Khulekani Mathe and Chad Thomas, IRS Forensic Investigations CEO. The Burning Platform
Have you ever thought how the gogo on the side of the road selling her
vegetables or the flower trader at the station is affected by the
decisions made in the legislature regarding trade and industry? Or even
if their voices are ever considered in those ever talked about
consultative processes? Rosheda Muller is the National President of the
National Informal Traders Alliance of South Africa (NITASA) and she
joins Phumi Mashigo to talk about her work, the organisation’s members
and the voices of the trader outside your car window at the traffic light. The Burning Platform
Is political interference endemic in South Africa’s governance failures? Dr Simo Lushaba from the Institute of Directors SA and Wayne Duvenage from OUTA joins Phumi Mashigo to unpack the tensions between boards and ministers in state-owned entities. With SA Tourism once again in the spotlight after Minister Patricia de Lille dissolved its board, we explore where the line should be drawn between legitimate shareholder oversight and ministerial overreach. The Burning Platform
What is the price of speaking out? Four years after the brutal murder of whistleblower Babita Deokaran the conversation about protection and support for whistleblowers. Phumi Mashigo is joined by social justice activist Tebogo Khaas and whistleblower Martha Ngoye to talk about changing the negative term “impimpi” to a valued guard of our social fabric. The Burning Platform
Has South Africa collapsed? Embattled PRASA CEO and now Member of parliament for the MK, Lucky Montana seems to think so. He joins Phumi Mashigo for a wide-ranging conversation about changing his allegiance from ANC to MK and what he believes a collapsed nation can gain from his new party and its ideology. The Burning Platform
Is it fair to judge the National Dialogue before it’s even finished? Phumi Mashigo digs deeper into South Africa’s much-debated, two-day gathering of politicians, activists, academics, and community voices. While critics were quick to call it a failure, this episode asks: what did the headlines miss? Political analyst Matlala Setlhalogile; Project Leader of Indlulamithi SA Scenarios, Xolelwa Kashe-Katiya; and urban sociologist and author, Leslie Dikeni join the discussion. The Burning Platform
What does it mean to be a woman in today’s world, and how do we create a future where women are truly valued? Phumi Mashigo along with Ayanda Allie and Mandisa Mashego have an unfiltered conversation about womanhood, feminism, and the complex realities women face in South Africa today. In honour of Women’s Month, this discussion dives deep and makes for an honest, and necessary dialogue. The Burning Platform
Is transparency possible in South Africa's government? Phumi Mashigo dives deep into political accountability, corruption, and the role of citizens in demanding better governance for our country. Together with writer Siya Khumalo and OUTA's Wayne Duvenage, they explore whether new political approaches could be the way forward, how money is extracted from the political system, the complexities of political funding, and whether South Africa’s strong anti-corruption laws are enough to make a difference. This is an in-depth look into an urgent political issue. The Burning Platform
What’s really going on with crime in South Africa? How did we get to this point? Phumi Mashigo gets investigative journalist and AmaBhungane’s Sam Sole to unpack the alarming state of crime and policing in South Africa today. Following the theatrics of Police Commissioner Mkhwanazi and more recently, the implications of President Ramaphosa’s fifth judicial commission, together they look at what this could all mean for the country’s future. The Burning Platform
A heated police expose, a judge in the midst of a sexual harassment saga and more have gripped the nation - where does South Africa go from here? Phumi Mashigo speaks to political commentator Xavier Bapoo about that. The Burning Platform
Are we misunderstanding the roots of the Middle East conflict? Phumi Mashigo sits down with Brooke Goldstein, human rights attorney, filmmaker, and advocate, to unpack the complex realities of the Middle East conflict. Together, they explore the meaning of freedom, the role of force, and what’s truly at stake for the region’s future. This conversation goes beyond headlines to examine how justice, identity, and international law shape one of the world’s most polarising debates. The Burning Platform
Where is the GNU headed? Strategist, columnist, lecturer, and Action SA member Solly Moeng joins Phumi Mashigo on #LevelUp to take stock of South Africa's political happenings as they review the Government of National Unity (GNU) so far. The Burning Platform
Is this the countdown to chaos? Phumi Mashigo asks this of activist Elaaheh Jamali as they unpack the rising tensions between Iran, Israel, and the United States. What’s really driving the conflict? Is the region on the brink of a broader war - or is there still room for diplomacy? Elaaheh offers sharp insights into the historical context, current pressure points, and what the world should be watching next. The Burning Platform
Who really shapes South Africa’s policy? A growing influence of foreign-funded NGOs in shaping South Africa’s legislation leads Level Up with Phumi Mashigo to interrogate this question. She is joined by Nhlanhla Ndlovu, CEO of NEDLAC Community Trust, a Community Constituency Structure, to explore whether international policy templates are drowning out South African realities, and what it will take to ensure local NGOs have a meaningful voice in the process. The Burning Platform
What is AfriForum’s vision for South Africa? Following their Democracy Unplugged panel discussion, Phumi Mashigo sits down with the organisation’s Ernst van Zyl for a candid conversation on its roots, its role in defending minority rights, and its views on South Africa’s current challenges and its controversial engagement with U.S. officials. As South Africa navigates complex political terrain, AfriForum shares its vision, and what its future hopes to look like. The Burning Platform
What happens when trust in money breaks down? In these economic times, Phumi Mashigo explores money, economies and more with author of "Money: A Story of Humanity" and economist David McWilliams. This conversation shows how money isn't just a financial tool - it's a shared belief, a social contract and one of the most powerful forces shaping our world. The Burning Platform
Is South Africa serious about fighting organised crime, or just blowing smoke? Phumi Mashigo takes a dive into the dark underbelly of our tobacco market with industry expert Johnny Moloto. As the Area Head of Corporate & Regulatory Affairs at British American Tobacco (BAT) Sub-Saharan Africa, Johnny unpacks the deep economic and public health impact of the trade - and why he believes foreign influence and weak enforcement are sabotaging efforts to fix it. He critiques the Tobacco Control Bill, questions government accountability, and calls for bold leadership, better regulation, and stronger action from SARS. The Burning Platform
What are the real-time funding crises in South Africa, and how are they affecting vital health and social services, especially in underserved communities? In this powerful episode of Level Up, Phumi Mashigo is joined by thought-leader and social justice veteran Lebogang Ramafoko for a fearless deep dive into the state of South Africa’s NGO sector. From the fallout of USAID’s shutdown to the political ripple effects of foreign funding, Lebogang unpacks the growing tension between international donor agendas and local grassroots priorities. With nearly three decades of experience in health, media, and activism, she offers sharp insights on policy manipulation, government overreach, and the fragile social safety net NGOs are expected to uphold - often without the power or protection they need. The Burning Platform
With the court now pausing the VAT hike in South Africa, where will the money come from to plug the budget deficit? What happens to the two key bills the minister tabled alongside the framework? And what does this mean for you and your pocket?
Phumi Mashigo breaks this down with Tara Roos, a sharp, young policy mind in Parliament as a researcher for various portfolio committees, founder of the Participation Project and So We Vote on IG, former UNESCO Youth Ambassador, and someone who’s had a seat at the table on global youth and climate policy.
Together they unpack the fiscal framework: what it really is, what Parliament actually voted on, and how it links to the controversial VAT proposal. They also examine the impact on social spending — including a potentially vulnerable SASSA grant. Is this a win for the public, or just a reshuffling of the same pressures under a different name? Join the conversation as they cut through the spin and follow the money! The Burning Platform
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Why are you interviewing Pollak? He edits Breitbart, Breitbart has been regularly flagged by fact checkers such as PolitiFact and Snopes, for inaccuracies or misleading content. It has published stories that later required retractions or clarifications.. It is right of Fox and Pollak is an amoral, opportunist. He was a Zille speech writer for years. How seriously can he be taken now running a full on MAGA platform which blindly defends a groping, grifter?
Joel Pollak is an editor of Breitbart. Why on earth are you interviewing him as an authoritative journalist Breitbart is right of Fox and twice as dishonest and malevolent.
By paying off Stormy a couple of weeks before the election he defrauded the American electorate. That is the crime.
When this rightwing wallah says Zille's people say Blacks can't be trusted with deeds, he finally comes out in his true colours, a MAGA style lying slanderer. That's the sort of thing my Apartheid Senator Uncle would say, Zille, or her people,not on your life. Then he goes right down the MAGA sewer making the ridiculous, bigoted statement that Liberals "don't trust Blacks" Die vent is 'n droë ou doos.
it's interesting that this pro cape secession bloke focuses on the Ukraine in support of his case, but says not a word about the disastrous consequences of Brexit. As Rassie said, " when people talk Kak about South Africa, say no man we'll fix it."
Cliff closes with a weak, negative summing up of, "people like arguing with Zille", but throughout the interview, failed to establish any faults in her case. He can't, but his rightwing bias, leaves him stranded, inarticulatedly cynical and sulky.
What I don't get is that you know that this country is doomed under the ANC. So why keep on dissing the only party that has a chance of saving it? I know it has growing pains but at least it has potential.