Music Behind the Magic

As we celebrate the 50th episode of the podcast, what better way to celebrate than with an incredible, legendary guest. Marc Shaiman, who has composed music for everything from Hairspray to City Slickers and from South Park to Mary Poppins Returns, has just published his memoir: Never Mind the Happy: Showbiz Stories from a Sore Winner, and he shares so many amazing stories, and even plays some of his work for us.You can buy Never Mind the Happy on Amazon and bookstores nationwide. You can also follow Marc at marcshaiman.com and on Instagram @marc_shaiman.

Happy New Year! 2026 is shaping up to be a very eventful year for Disney, with lots of huge movies, new and returning TV shows, and theme park updates. Join me as I preview all these incredible upcoming releases, and the music behind all of them. What are you most excited about?Please like and follow this podcast, and leave a good review if you think I deserve it. I would love to hear from you--reach out to me via email, on IG @musicbehindthemagic, or in our awesome FB community.

The Avatar films have changed the way we experience the movies. They have been groundbreaking in almost every way--technologically, narratively, and sonically—not only transporting us to a new world, but making it so immersive that we are actually a part of it. But it is not only immersive--the world of Pandora has been created and rooted in so much detail and mythology that, paired with all the incredible technology created for the films, it is deeply authentic and as real as any planet in the universe. But it isn’t just the visuals that make the story so compelling, it is the incredible use of music and themes that really draw the audience into the story. And today we are so lucky to be joined by the composer of the newest Avatar film, Avatar: Fire and Ash, Simon Franglen. Simon talks about the work that went behind making an epic 3 hour score, which included a deep collaboration with James Cameron, that intricate emotional theming, and even the need to create completely new musical instruments. You can listen to Simon’s amazing soundtrack to Avatar: Fire and Ash now on all streaming services, and the film comes out this Friday, December 19th.You can follow Simon at simonfranglen.com and on Instagram @simonfranglen

Of all the iconic attractions at the Disney parks around the world, one of—if not the—most recognizable is Spaceship Earth at Epcot. A marvel of both engineering and imagineering, the attraction takes us on a voyage of mankind’s technological innovations across the centuries, with so many iconic moments and smells (if you know, you know). There are so many details associated with the attraction around its history, construction and storytelling that it could fit in a book. That’s a great idea, right! Fortunately, our pal Tim Foster of Celebrations Press has done just that—another terrific book called Spaceship Earth: The Definitive History. Tim tells us all about awesome facts about the ride and his favorite parts, as well as some fun discussions/debates around changes to the attraction over the years. And since it’s the holidays, we also dive into a fun musical scavenger hunt to find our favorite holiday songs in the parks, as well as our favorite Disney holiday songs in general. You can find Tim, all his great books, and Celebrations magazine at celebrationspress.com. And if you are trying to get the Spaceship Earth book in time for the holidays, email him at subscriptions@celebrationspress.com and he will do everything he can to make that happen.

When you think of all the iconic imagery associated with Disney, lots of things immediately come to mind—Cinderella Castle, Tinkerbell, Spaceship Earth…and Mickey’s Sorcerer’s hat from The Sorcerer’s Apprentice. That legendary vignette is the most famous part of Fantasia, the groundbreaking film that married music and animation in ways that were so far ahead of its time conceptually, musically, and technically. This year marks the 85th anniversary of Fantasia, and to commemorate the film’s milestone, a new book has just come out, “Worlds to Conquer: The Art and Making of Walt Disney’s Fantasia” by noted film historian J.B. Kaufman. We are joined today by J.B. to learn more about the story of how Fantasia came to be, and the critical importance that music played in its creation.Please follow J.B. at jbkaufman.com and find his book on Amazon and all other booksellers.

Baseball has its Hall of Fame. So does Rock and Roll music. Hollywood has a Walk of Fame, and there are numerous other Halls, Walls, and Walks that recognize contributions to everything from sports and entertainment to business and science. So, how does Disney celebrate those who have made groundbreaking contributions to the company? It’s through the recognition of Disney Legends. Disney Legends is a Hall of Fame award that is awarded by The Walt Disney Company to individuals who "[have] made a significant impact on the Disney legacy." The honor was established in 1987, and was traditionally awarded annually during a special private ceremony. Since 2009, it has been awarded on a biennial basis during Disney's D23 Expo and there are currently 318 individuals who have received that recognition.With all the incredible contributions that Disney has made to the world, it is no small feat to qualify and be recognized as a Disney Legend. And each recipient has a rich story that has made an impact to the company, culture, and our lives. That is where today’s guest comes in. Jamie Hecker is an author and friend who has written several books about Disney, including two volumes about these icons: Disney Legends: Makers of Magic Volume 1, and the recently released Volume 2.  Jamie joins us today to give some history and context around the award, as well as discuss those Legends who have impacted Disney music. Please follow Jamie at jamieheckerwriter.com and you can also find his books on Amazon

One of the most beloved and cherished Disney movies is the classic Mary Poppins. It has amazed and delighted audiences for 61 years through its technical innovation, incredible set pieces, and of course, its iconic music by the legendary Sherman Brothers. Almost all of us love the movie and many of us know at least some of the background of the film through the movie Saving Mr. Banks, which shed some light on how Walt Disney made the film, how the Sherman Brothers wrote the music, and the interplay with the notoriously difficult author, PL Travers. But there is so much more history and context behind the film, with so much previously unknown information and details about the prominent role that the Sherman Brothers played in bringing it to life. All these stories are revealed in the new book “Making Mary Poppins: The Sherman Brothers, Walt Disney, and the Creation of a Classic Film” by Todd James Pierce. Todd joins us today to discuss the book and shares some of those stories with us. You can find Todd at www.toddjamespierce.com and order the book on Amazon here.

Disney, as we know it today, was shaped by the success and legacy of The Little Mermaid, which ushered in the Disney Renaissance, marrying Broadway musical sensibilities with character driven stories that emotionally bonded the audience to the movies through now-iconic songs. Today we are joined by the co-writer and director of the Little Mermaid, John Musker, who also wrote and directed so many other legendary movies including Aladdin, Hercules, The Great Mouse Detective, Treasure Planet, The Princess and the Frog, and Moana along with his long-time collaborator Ron Clement. Looking through this filmography, I am struck by the fact that John was able to create classic movies through three different eras, keeping music at the forefront while creating timeless stories with humor, adventure, and heart. John shares his amazing career with us while providing behind-the-scenes insight into the movies that we all know and love.

One of the most popular attractions in Walt Disney World is Test Track in EPCOT. It has just reopened after a lengthy reimagining with a new storyline, and new music. Today we are very lucky to be joined by the extremely talented Zain Effendi, who composed all the music for the new version of that attraction. Zain is also no stranger to working for the Disney parks, as he also composed music for the Galactic Starcruiser and for Oga’s Cantina in Galaxy’s Edge. If you haven’t heard the music for Test Track, it is available on your favorite streaming service and it is epic, wonderous, and uplifting in the best Disney tradition. And don’t take my word for it, the piece “Opening” from EPCOT’s Test Track on Walt Disney Records has been submitted for consideration in the Best Instrumental Composition category for the Grammy Awards, and I am so excited to share our conversation with you.About Zain:Zain Effendi is an award-winning American composer known for his work in film, television, video games, and theme parks. After studying composition and film scoring at both The Boston Conservatory and Berklee College of Music, his career ignited when Hans Zimmer invited him to join Remote Control Productions, where he contributed to blockbuster scores including Pirates of the Caribbean, The Dark Knight, Madagascar, and Kung Fu Panda.Since launching his solo career, Zain has scored projects for Disney, Sony, Warner Brothers, Bad Robot, and more-earning honors such as Best Composer at the Hollywood Music & Media Awards, Multiple Telly Awards, an HMMA win for Best Live Concert (over Jennifer Lopez) and multiple World Entertainment Awards.Most recently, Zain composed Disney’s 70-minute original score for EPCOT’s re-imagined Test Track attraction, a symphonic-electronic epic that defines a new era of theme-park music. Test Track’s ‘Opening’ is currently in contention for the GRAMMYs® in the category of Best Instrumental Composition. His music also resonates across Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge, Disney’s Starcruiser Hotel, and Shanghai Disneyland’s Adventure in Rhythm.With a career bridging Hollywood blockbusters, award-winning concerts, and groundbreaking work for Disney Imagineering, Zain is redefining the possibilities of modern orchestral music.Please follow Zain at www.zaineffendi.com and on Instagram @zaineffendi. You can also stream EPCOT: Test Track (Original Soundtrack) on your favorite streaming service.

For many of us, there is nothing quite like experiencing a Disney nighttime parade or fireworks spectacular at the parks. The magic, the wonder, and the emotions that those shows evoke are near and dear to our hearts, and are the basis for so many incredible memories. And, of course, one of the main drivers of those emotional moments is the music that guides and elevates the story. And because the end result is so incredible, it’s easy to overlook how much work goes into tailoring and arranging those iconic songs to fit the timing, pace, and cadence of those shows. Today we are very lucky to be joined by Tim Heintz, an incredible musician and the music director for many of Disney’s nighttime spectaculars, both classic and new. Tim tells us about his musical journey and his work for Disney, Universal, and more. You can learn more about Tim and his work at www.timheintz.com

When you think about the music that we hear in Disney films, it’s easy to say, Oh, Alan Menken wrote that song, or Hanz Zimmer composed that score. And of course, those legendary songwriters and composers are responsible for crafting the melody, vision, and structure of the amazing music we know and love. But, beyond that, within film music there are musicians that work with those composers and songwriters to provide the depth, emotional resonance, and instrumentation that truly bring those songs to life—the orchestrators and arrangers. Today, we are incredibly fortunate to be joined by someone that has done it all—composed, arranged, and orchestrated many of the most popular and beloved songs and scores in Disney history, from Frozen to Moana  and from The Lion King on Broadway to Mufasa: The Lion King on the big screen, Dave Metzger. Dave tells us all about his musical journey and how he contributed to the musical magic of so many movies we love.You can learn more about Dave and follow him at www.davemetzgermusic.com

Recently, I was very fortunate to have been able to experience the Disney Music Festival in Disneyland Paris. It is the first event of its kind, and it did an incredible job of capturing the power and magic that Disney music holds for us. In this special episode, I give a rundown of what the Disney Music Festival was about, what it involved, and my thoughts and impressions. I provide a recap of everything I saw and heard and give a ranking of my favorite performances. Please give it a listen and let me know what you think or what questions you have!

Disney music takes so many different forms—movie music, TV compositions, concerts, video games, live entertainment…and the list goes on. Today we are fortunate to be joined by Mark Watters, a six-time Emmy winning composer and conductor who has experience creating music for all of those genres. And in addition to his musical contributions, he has served as music director for 2 Olympics and has even co-conducted the Academy Awards with none other than the maestro himself, John Williams. Mark will tell us all about those experiences and stories, as well as his work bringing Disney music to life. You can find Mark at www.markwatters.com and check out the Soundtrax Film Music Festival from October 16-18 at soundtrax.org

We are joined today by Dave Bossert, who had an amazing 32 year career with The Walt Disney Company and worked on many of its most beloved classics, like The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, and Fantasia 2000. He is also responsible for directing and producing Tunes Behind the Toons, an award-winning short film that perfectly captures the impact and importance of music in Disney animated films while speaking with musical luminaries like Alan Menken, Randy Newman, Bruce Broughton, and Mark Watters. We discuss his career and his insight into the history and importance of music in animated films.You can find Dave at www.davidbossert.com to learn more about his career and books he has written. You can also listen to the Skull Rock Podcast on all streaming services. Also, you can find the Tunes Behind the Toons film here and listen to Dave's Tunes Behind the Toons show on XM Radio, Channel 133.I have also recently become a Brand Ambassador for Find the Good, a clothing and apparel company that helps reinforce good habits for mental health and well-being. Mental health is something that affects so many families, including my own, and I appreciate the company’s mission and that fact that it donates 10% of its profits to Mental Health America. If you check it out and want to order something you can use the code “Music Behind the Magic” to get 10% off your order.

If I were to ask you what you think the most iconic attraction is at Walt Disney World or Disneyland, I’m betting that "it’s a small world" will be at, or near, the top of the list. The “Happiest Cruise that ever sailed” has its origins at the 1964 World’s Fair and has been a staple at Disney parks not just in the U.S., but overseas as well at Disneyland Paris, Tokyo Disneyland, and Hong Kong Disneylan. It symbolizes a lot of what we love about Disney—joy, nostalgia, optimism, and wonder. And tying it all together is THE song…THAT song…the one that will stick in your head for hours (or days) on end—"It’s a Small World (After All)" by the legendary Sherman Brothers.There is so much history and tradition steeped in the attraction that it could fill a book. Fortunately, we are joined today by our good friend Tim Foster from Celebrations Press who just happens to be releasing a collector’s edition book called ”it’s a small world: The Definitive History,” which is now available for pre-order. Tim talks to us about all the incredible details and facts around this history of the attraction, and of course, we tackle the iconic song as well. If you love the ride, or even if you are a bit more skeptical of it, I think you will learn a lot that will give you a new appreciation for what it represents.You can pre-order the book at celebrationspress.com

We all know that the Walt Disney Company is a huge and diverse conglomerate, from movies to theme parks to cruise lines to streaming networks and beyond.  In between all these offerings, there has also been a fascinating history of Disney video games—from the earliest handheld games of the 80’s to the incredibly immersive 3-D rendered graphics of today.  We are joined by author and friend Shaun Jex to discuss his latest book, Dreaming in Digital: The World of Disney Video Games, and explore this history and talk about some of his favorites.  And, since Shaun is also a fellow Disney music connoisseur, we also dive in to one of the most interesting pieces of Disney musical history—the short-lived, but fascinating rise (and fall), of Halyx, the Kiss- meets-Star Wars rock band that played at Disneyland’s Space Stage during the summer of 1981 (and only the summer of 1981)You can find Shaun's book here on Amazon, and check out his music blog at makeminemusic.com.

If you have been keeping up with the summer movie news, you know that the live action remake of Lilo & Stitch has been the runaway hit of the year. Building on the legacy of the much beloved 2002 animated original, the live action version takes everything people loved from that original film and adds new layers of emotional nuance and depth, humor, terrific acting, and a truly, ridiculously adorable CGI Stitch. And those emotional elements are captured and enhanced by the incredible score by composer Dan Romer.  I was so lucky to have had the chance to talk with Dan about his work on the film as well as his work on another classic animated Pixar film, Luca.You can follow Dan at danromer.com and on Instagram @danromer. And see Lilo & Stitch in the theaters and listen to the soundtrack by buying a copy of it at all major retailers or stream it on all streaming services.

Starting with the Disney Renaissance, Disney decided to take hit songs from its films and add re-recorded versions to the end-credits from a wide array of pop and rock stars. This started with Beauty and the Beast and continues on today. Are any of those versions better than the originals in the film? Well, that is a great and highly subjective topic for discussion, and we attempt to tackle it today with our guest Brett Nachman from the terrific and long-running podcast “Notably Disney,” We talk about 5 end-credit versions that are better than the originals, and 5-ish that…are not so much. What do YOU think? Are there any we missed? Let me know your thoughts.You can find Notably Disney here and on all streaming podcast services, and can follow Brett on IG at @drnachman.

Disney is such a complex, multifaceted company that there are all manner of topics and subtopics that fans can joyfully discuss and debate—music, the parks, movies, TV shows, the cruise line, books…you name it. And a lot of that discussion revolves around our own opinions, preferences, and passions. But, Disney is not just a provider of magical memories, it is a cornerstone of American culture and a highly profitable and innovative enterprise. As such, it shouldn’t be surprising that Disney has become a subject of numerous business and academic studies. And, in particular relevance to this show, there is a relatively new, but growing, focus on the study of Disney music as an academic discipline. Today we are joined by Dr. Carissa Baker, who is one of the organizers of the Theme Park Music and Sound Conference and a Professor at the University of Central Florida, to discuss her academic pursuits and her studies and work around theme parks and music. If there is any true theme park expert in the world, it is Carissa, and you’ll understand what I mean when you hear her story.You can register for the Conference for free at https://themeparkmusicandsound.org/, and learn more about Carissa and her work here

With the news of Disney opening up a theme park in Abu Dhabi, we are very fortunate to be joined in this episode by Ron Fish, an award winning composer who has experience writing music for theme parks at both Walt Disney World in Florida as well as Warner Brothers World in Abu Dhabi.  Ron has also written amazing music for huge video game franchises, including God of War 1-3 and Batman: Arkham City and Batman: Arkham Asylum.  We have a great conversation about his career progression from theme parks to video games, and how music plays such an important part in the story of each medium.You can follow Ron at www.ronfishmusic.com.